/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12189298]

Tell me about Australian lit, /lit/. Why do they love the bush?

[Anonymous No.12189303]

>>12189298
It's like 70's porn mate

[Anonymous No.12189313]

out bush is where all the fun stuff happens mate

[Anonymous No.12189325]

What's life like in Australia? I always feel Australian culture is as dull as it gets and a waste of this beautiful piece of land.

[Anonymous No.12189330]

Australia has an alien geography from a western perspective, it is impossible to avoid if you want to write about Australia. Even today there is still a sense that most of the people who live here exist apart from the land rather than on it. Writing about the bush is important for examining Australian identity because out in the bush is where people confront the alien and come to understand their place in it.

[Anonymous No.12189338]

>>12189325
That's more or less an accurate statement. Most Australians are very materialistic and obsessed with Europe / America / Asia at the expense of truly understanding and appreciating their own unique land / culture.

>>12189330
Good post anon.

[Anonymous No.12189339]

>>12189325
>Australian culture
It's good living there aside from the extreme climate and all the small bitey things but you do get used to it.
As for the question of the culture I don't know how to quantify that for there because I find it elusive, in that it exists but once described it changes, comparative cultural analysis might be more useful to understanding.

[Anonymous No.12189347]

>>12189325

its bloody grouse

[Anonymous No.12189412]

>>12189298
Place and setting make a big impression. Tolstoy's descriptions of the Russian landscape are really visceral and lush, but we don't think of him as bound to geography like we do some Australian writers, but I guess that's natural for a colonial country. Australia's landscape is very intimidating in some places, very beautiful in others. Its isolation has rendered its flora and fauna very different from their Old World and New World counterparts. Some writing about the bush is a little contrived, like the wannabe-literati think its obligatory or something. But there's plenty of literature about Australian suburbia and the urban life too.

[Anonymous No.12189415]

>>12189325
Depends where you live desu
In many rural towns it feels like you are living in the 70s

>>12189338
>Most Australians
>people who live in melbourne cbd
Not representative of "most australians". I assume north queensland would be culture shock for you.

[Anonymous No.12189417]

>>12189325
pretty much this

a country with no culture, no will, no history, no future.... were just lucky to be born on a large mass of land with low population so we all have money. but its a state of the comfiest nihilism you could ever imagine

[Anonymous No.12189422]

>>12189415
Well, going by sheer statistics, most Australians do live in big cities. But point taken.

[Anonymous No.12189427]

>>12189417
>yeah, life's fucked yknow? no point to it. everything's controlled by rich fucks, the environment's fucked, what can you do? Whoops, excuse me mate, my uber eats is here, wanna smoke a bowl and play street fighter for 8 hours with me?

[Anonymous No.12189431]

>>12189422
>>12189427
urbanites aren't human let alone Australian, don't kid yourself

[Anonymous No.12189433]

>>12189427
>>12189417
>>12189338
>>12189325
Australia sounds like an absolutely horrifying place to live if your IQ exceeds even somewhat 100.

[Anonymous No.12189436]

>>12189433
>if your IQ exceeds even somewhat 100.

perfect place for you by the sounds of it.

[Anonymous No.12189440]

>>12189433
>an absolutely horrifying place to live if your IQ exceeds even somewhat 100.
Isn't this 90% of countries on earth?

[Anonymous No.12189444]

>>12189431
>/lit/ - Literature
>urbanites aren't human
Go cope in >>/out/ , rural retard.

[Anonymous No.12189445]

>>12189436
What I rather mean it sounds like the dullness and smallmindedness of your average small city or suburb brought to the max without the slightest bit of culture beyond middle brow shite.

[Anonymous No.12189449]

>>12189433
yeah i think the less you think about it here the more sucessful you will be

its one of the only countrys in the world where even sub 80 iq's become millionares. we have a thing here called "the cashed up bogan" because so many untermensch tradesmen in our countries got rich laying bricks and tiling roofs

[Anonymous No.12189455]

>>12189445
>small city or suburb
this is where the modern American hell consumerism experience lies, the real Australia is small rural townships, farming communities, deep country worksites etc.

[Anonymous No.12189460]

>>12189445
Aussie here. I'm not gonna pretend this isn't the case. Our two largest cities are essentially just oversized colonial outcrops. If you like nature and the outdoors we have a lot of amazing stuff, especially when compared to Europe, and is incidentally why so many Australians spend a lot of time camping / fishing / going to the beach, because its the only thing we can truly feel good about.

Other than that it's just a half-assed micro-America.

[Anonymous No.12189473]

>>12189455
Thats not even true aye

I grew up in country NSW. People are just as souless and empty out there then in the city. This country has it too easy to ever be important

The Australian spirit is something karl stefanovic likes to play up on television but in reality there is no Australian spirit. Australia isnt even a country, its a fucking trading hub with UK culture copy and pasted and changed a tiny bit

[Anonymous No.12189475]

>>12189431
cringe

[Anonymous No.12189478]

>>12189433
Countries with rich history and intellectual traditions like Germany aren’t much better. In fact there it’s more frustrating because you have the false expectation they might actually be cultured. Colonials are unpretentious at least.

[Anonymous No.12189479]

>>12189473
>there is no Australian spirit
>Australia isnt even a country
there is, it was and it was killed by modernity

[Anonymous No.12189483]

>>12189479
cringe. Australia didn’t exist before modernity (assuming you’re not talking about the aboriginals). It’s the archetypal modernist country since it’s very birth.

[Anonymous No.12189484]

>>12189338
>>12189339
>>12189347
>>12189415
>>12189417
>>12189433
But why is Australia so bad? Its founding wasn't much different than that of the USA or Canada, and still, although there sure are a lot of dull people there as well, there is American and Canadian culture, there are a lot of good authors etc. but all of that is missing in Australia and it's just unappealing in every way.

[Anonymous No.12189487]

>>12189484
Australia actually has a rather rich artistic and literary tradition. It’s overshadowed by the middlebrow which is in turn overshadowed by the lowbrow but that is the case everywhere.

[Anonymous No.12189489]

>>12189431
>shifts the goalposts
Are you implying that most Australians aren't human? I mean did you mean that. Do you get a lot of headaches?

[Anonymous No.12189491]

>>12189479
Old Australia is a lie aswell. There was never an Australian spirit if there was we wouldnt be living under the queen. People on the tv like to talk it all up but it never actually existed. The country started as an english dumping zone ffor human waste, then it evolved into an english resource haven and now its a globalist trading hub where other country park their fighter jets.

This shithole country could sink to the sea and the world would lose nothing

[Anonymous No.12189496]

>>12189417
Pretty much this. Australia's prosperity, relative youth, make this country just an apathetic dull nation.

Yet I still love it.

[Anonymous No.12189497]

>>12189491
The world would lose its supply of the best and cleanest coal in existence, my cynical friend.

[Anonymous No.12189500]

>>12189484
I find most American literature to be massively overrated and often there is a British or Irish author that did the same thing better.
All I know about Canada is that it's cold there they like hockey their food is fatty and they're more like Australians than they are like Americans.
We've plenty of culture in Australia and it's not our problem that you don't understand it.

[Anonymous No.12189503]

>>12189484
Australia just wants to be left alone so we horde all of our great arts and literature from the prying eyes of the world. Nothing personal.

[Anonymous No.12189509]

Read this. One of the more important books on Australiana. Australian culture is a mix of cringe, British remnant, American copycat, and self-hating multicultural nihilism.

There does exist the colonial bush poetry of the late 19th century, (Lawson and Paterson) but that remains the farthest that an Australian national literature ever went.

Nevertheless, Australian culture does exist, its just very difficult to discern, as all culture is. As tensions grow with China, we may see an Australian cultural nationalism re-emerge.

[Anonymous No.12189524]

>>12189483
fine, I mean hypermodernity as immanentised by electrical technology. The nail in the coffin was electronic communications

[Anonymous No.12189532]

>>12189509
>As tensions grow with China
Imagine how much of that money invested into Australia by the Chinese would be seized like BHP.
The actual threat to Australia is India, world superpower by 2030. The only drama with China is stupid seppos doing what they do and we misplacing our loyalty because we got upset with Dad during the war.

[Anonymous No.12189544]

>>12189509
Bush poetry is awful, but Lawson's prose is pretty good.

I'd say Such Is Life represents the peak of classic Australian literature, though.

[Anonymous No.12189546]

>>12189298
>terra-mater

[Anonymous No.12189549]

>>12189532
Agreed, I don't understand the antagonisms towards China / devotion towards America many of us feel. We think that because we grew up on Hollywood movies and speak the same language that we're somehow on the same team as them, but truthfully there's no good geopolitical reason to think so. A more level-headed geopolitical stance would be to reduce dependency on the US / UK and instead focus on building ties with our regional neighbours.

[Anonymous No.12189558]

I know he's actually a Jaapie but who really did write The Power of One because it surely wasn't that perverted little fucker. He wrote everything after and apparently created Louie the Fly (but it's good to so maybe not him). Or, did he have some kind of seizure or some shit after The Power of One maybe.

[Anonymous No.12189560]

>>12189549
Appendix: Whitlam did nothing wrong.

[Anonymous No.12189566]

>>12189549
I'm not exactly in love with the American status quo but the geopolitical advantages of a relationship with America are obvious. They're big and have a lot of power, we can share military assets, we share a language (big one -- being a colonial outpost of China would be hell) and there's cultural affinity.

[Anonymous No.12189574]

>>12189549
Basically that's what the idea is. Become besties with all the places between us and them. As for the Brits we will always have that connection with them, even from our Irish background; Australia will never belligerent against Britain and will always maintain nuetrality in any future Irish conflict with Britain.
The alliance with the Americans is purely for convenience, they don't respect us and we don't trust them.

[Anonymous No.12189576]

>>12189330
Dumb cunt have you ever been outside of uni or even better the city?

[Anonymous No.12189582]

>>12189574
>Australia will never belligerent against Britain and will always maintain nuetrality in any future Irish conflict with Britain
wtf. lol.

[Anonymous No.12189584]

>>12189566
My logic is that while there are obvious benefits to our relationship now, I just don't see them as being beneficial to our long-term independence and prosperity as a nation. If tensions between China and the US ever turn into a hot war, Australia would become a blasted No Man's Land and we'd be turned into nothing more than a source of cheap labour / resources for the USAF or the PLA.

[Anonymous No.12189588]

>>12189584
This is assuming we throw in our lot with the US of course

[Anonymous No.12189593]

>>12189566
>being a colonial outpost of China
If China invaded to conquer/colonise Australia, it is a massive risk for China. The risk of not winning the whole continent is great, there is more to lose since they're winning by trade now anyway (from their perspective). If China could conquer and colonise then there is oft forgotten or not understood matter of holding the peace, which I can't conceive that they could do short of total genocide or a 10 million man garrison.

[Anonymous No.12189600]

>>12189588
We don't have to join the US if they go hot with China. Of course the dumbcunt yanks will not respect the rules of neutrality and will try to get us involved regardless but we can tell them to fuck off with their dumbarsery too

[Anonymous No.12189606]

>>12189600
I hope so, anon. I'm just suspicious of the dumbfuck Liberals who seem to love asking "how high?" when the US says "jump."

[Anonymous No.12189610]

>>12189584
Why would they nuke and/or invade Australia? Costly and useless. That's assuming anyone would even be able to do it. I'm not trying to be some hubristic my-country-is-perfect jingoist, and maybe I'm over-estimating our military a bit, but as far as I know we have a pretty good defence capability as well as projection power. That aside, being dependent on any Asian power is fucking retarded. The region is fickle and more unstable than the Western world. Obviously develop, but trying to become an Asian country is regressive geopolitics at this point imo. It's good to have close relations with countries on the other side of the globe.
>>12189593
I didn't say Australia would be a vassal or occupied territory. I'm saying if Australia were to China what it is to America right now, it would be fucking awful. Putting aside the language barrier, Chinese institutions and bureaucracy are fucked.

[Anonymous No.12189614]

>>12189593
>If China could conquer and colonise then
Get real bro.

[Anonymous No.12189621]

>>12189325
Everyone is miserable and/or stressed, the vast majority only care about money and are very materialistic. They use the convenient excuse of working very long hours as a means to keep up their unsustainably luxurious lives and to mask their repressed melancholia from bubbling over and exposing how miserable Australian life truly is.

[Anonymous No.12189626]

>>12189484
Simply put: it has no 'soul'. I mean that both as a criticism and a lamentation.

[Anonymous No.12189629]

>>12189621
Nah you're just a bunch of sad cunts who are so disconnected from society that you've started to make up problems with it to explain why you're so lonely.

[Anonymous No.12189635]

>>12189610
Australia is not an American vassal or occupied territory though but I agree that we obviously don't want to be conquered by China.
As good as our military is, and it is good, if China wanted to they have the capability to launch a full-scale invasion. The US is the first deterrent, and maintaining the peace after is the second. So even without the US it is extremely unlikely that China would want to try it, there's too much to lose and it's probably unwinnable anyway. Even without the US deterrent we are virtually in the NATO alliance, the likelier scenario is a European conflict with Russia and Australia mobilizes to defend old blighty once more. None of these hypothetical wars are in anyone's good interests though either.

[Anonymous No.12189636]

>>12189626
The closest thing to an authentic Australian "soul" is our connection to the land desu. The most "Australian" anyone can feel is when they find a deserted beach with pristine waters or spend a night in a grand, ancient valley isolated away from the world. The problem is this is realistically impossible to do all the time for most people and so instead we turn to Netflix and Stephen Fry to make up for it.

[Anonymous No.12189641]

>>12189298
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1543726207042.webm

[Anonymous No.12189645]

>>12189635
>and Australia mobilizes to defend old blighty once more
God, I fucking hope not. I love the Queen but damn, if her constables come knocking on my door to get me to fight the Ruskies for her you can be sure I'll tell them to fuck off

[Anonymous No.12189647]

>>12189641
I'm pretty sure that's a man

[Anonymous No.12189650]

>>12189629
>Nah you're just a bunch of sad cunts
wheredoyouthinkweare.jpg

[Anonymous No.12189651]

>>12189614
I'm being real bro. People keep saying China war and the truth is if they could take the continent they wouldn't be able to hold the peace. Look at the US in Afghanistan right now, they can't hold the peace there because they're not willing or able to put the necessary men on the ground as a garrison or kill millions of people who are against them.
The reason the Chinese are allowed to hold such assets in Australia is to deter them from invading or seizing them aggressively, it acts as leverage against China. BHP mining used to be owned by a German and it was seized by the Australian government during one of the wars, I forget which.

[Anonymous No.12189697]

>>12189629
Most people here are lonely, but that is not entirely the reason they are miserable. Even if they weren't lonely, misery would still be widespread. Australian culture and life is not conducive to lasting happiness.

[Anonymous No.12189705]

>>12189645
Long life to the Queen, but what are my countrymen's opinions on becoming a republic after she passes?

[Anonymous No.12189722]

>>12189705
I think it's quite obvious there may be a resurgence in republican support (I mean King Charles, really?), but as to whether it'll be enough to actually become one will remain to be seen. I'm personally not in favour of either option really. Ideally I'd like a home-grown Australian monarchy, but since that's never going to happen I'll take a republic as the next best.

[Anonymous No.12189738]

>>12189705
hate democracy
hate conservatism
hate progressivism
hate politicians
hate economy
hate immigrants
hate republics
love God
simple as

[Anonymous No.12189803]

>>12189705
I don’t care that much either way, but I’d love to see another republic attempt fail just to crush the hopes of Turnbull, Peter Fitzsimons and the like.

[Anonymous No.12189812]

>>12189803
Fitzsimons is a fucking joke

[Anonymous No.12189844]

>>12189738
Australian Christianity is severely underrated, and I say this as a gnostic heretic

[Anonymous No.12190170]

This country is dead, lads. Most of the population are soulless cityfags. Every day the Chinese buy more of the country. Every day more land is paved over. Every day more shitskins come here. It’s over. We had a chance to make a white working class nationalist paradise and we threw it all away so we could have a maccas on every corner. Fuck Labor and fuck Liberals. It was an honour serving with you.

[Anonymous No.12190174]

>>12190170
cringe

[Anonymous No.12190180]

>>12190174
cringe

[Anonymous No.12190194]

>>12190174
Go back to https://www.reddit.com/r/melbourne

[Anonymous No.12190270]

>>12190180
>>12190194
cringe

[Anonymous No.12191127]

>>12189549
>A more level-headed geopolitical stance would be to reduce dependency on the US / UK and instead focus on building ties with our regional neighbours.

The Chinese want to control this country for it's resources and as a strategic base in the Pacific. They are doing this right now through soft power, economic dependencey and political influence. The US alliance is vital if Australia is to remain and free and independent nation. (Spoiler alert: our regional neighbours hate us. They think we're colonial dogs who should go back to Europe. They wouldn't give a damn if China wiped us off the map.)

[Anonymous No.12191512]

>>12189705
Its a hard one to decide, but I think a case could be made for republicanism as a means of re-building our broken governmental system. The British parliamentary system that we have currently is designed to make sure that as little change ever happens as possible.
If we become a republic we could have a chance to fix all that. I worry that if things just keep on as they are, we're just going to continue to stagnate.

[Anonymous No.12191520]

>>12190170

[Proud Social Justice Warrior !BgjMIiqmkk No.12191600]

Anyone else read Jimmy Barnes' autobiographies?

[Anonymous No.12191629]

>>12189500
That's pretty true.

American culture is just everything in excess. Fat lards screaming to their mums for tendies is literally all I saw there. Canada is full of junkies. Europe is just shit.
Australia is great you got a bit of everything here and it's not so in your face.

[Anonymous No.12191752]

Recommend aussie books
>Tree of Life
Reminded me a lot of Stoner, although with less hopelessness.
>Johnno
Good prose, although it's pretty gay at times.

Unsurprisingly, both feature the bush a lot

[Anonymous No.12191759]

Take away the connection to the bush and what is left of Australian culture?
Larrikinism and irreverence are both strong undercurrents, imo

[Anonymous No.12191793]

I wrote a novel for NaNoWriMo that has Australia culture and its relationship to American and Chinese cultures as a theme. It features a futa robot to spice things up, though.

[Anonymous No.12191873]

>>12191752
I don’t remember much about the bush in Johnno

[Anonymous No.12191899]

>>12191873
As far as I remember it wasn't the main focus but the setting was often the bush. "Feature" probably wasn't the right word
It's been a while since I've read it though

[Anonymous No.12192472]

>>12190170
shut the fuck up retard

[Anonymous No.12192578]

>>12189473
Fuck. This is so accurate it hurts

[Anonymous No.12192601]

>>12191793
The absolute state

[Anonymous No.12192632]

>hey, you know that continent that is 95% uninhabitable land and full of creatures that want to hurt you and hurt your family?
>let's live there!

i love australians, but why in fuck would you ever want to live there?

[Anonymous No.12192683]

>>12192472
What did you not like about my post, comrade?

[Anonymous No.12192981]

>>12190170
>white
>working class
>nationalist
Oh I am laffin'

[Anonymous No.12192990]

>>12190170
>hillbilly asshole posts frogs

not a surprise

[Anonymous No.12192996]

>>12191127
>Spoiler alert: our regional neighbours hate us. They think we're colonial dogs who should go back to Europe
Erm, got any evidence for this mate? Or care to elaborate on which ones or who?

[Anonymous No.12193220]

>>12192981
>white
Yes, believe it or not, comrade, we used to be over 90% white British.
>working class
Yes, believe it or not, comrade, we used to work mostly in labour intensive jobs.
>nationalist
Yes, believe it or not, comrade, we used to vote to kick out islanders and Chinese when Labor actually cared about the workers, and we didn’t want to join the League of Nations because the Japs were there. We were very proud of being part of the empire.
>Oh I am laffin'
Epic and dank reddit maymay, comrade, do you mind if I upboat this?
>>12192990
>hillbilly
Why do communists hate the working class so much?
>asshole
Why can’t americanised cityfags speak proper English?
>posts frogs
Why do /leftypol/ discord trannies get so triggered over a cartoon frog?
>not a surprise
Not a surprise.

Is what I posted untrue, comrades? Is the country not being sold off to foreigners? Is our natural beauty not being squandered? Are there not more and more people with shit-coloured skin who share none of our values being imported for cheap labour? Are cityfags not soulless? Did we not used to be white, working class, nationalists? Have we not thrown it all away for materialism and virtue signalling? Please enlighten me, comrades.

[Anonymous No.12193263]

I'm on my phone so I couldn't even cmd+f but I scrolled through the whole thread and no one mentioned Kangaroo. Read this if you want to know about the fern-dark Australian soul, the true meaning of being mates, and why socialists are just dummies who love bring workers and can't appreciate that the true meaning of life is the pathos of being a novelist. (honestly good book though)

[Anonymous No.12193273]

>>12193263
Forgot pic

[Anonymous No.12193301]

Peter Carey is a great Australian writer, his short stories are somewhat borgesian but sit closer to raymond carver in their domestic settings/vibe. My favourite is A Fatman in History.

[Anonymous No.12193367]

>>12193273
It's a great book but it's written by an Englishmen.

[Anonymous No.12193513]

>>12191127
>They think we're colonial dogs who should go back to Europe
Let's be honest, it's not like we haven't given them reason to think this. Our involvement in Malaya, Vietnam, etc. have shown that we, at least at one point, saw ourselves as being part of the "Western ruling class" that got to decide how other countries live their lives. However this isn't set in stone, and there's really no reason to believe we "have" to be antagonistic towards Indonesia, India etc. these days.

I will be upfront however: We do still have an arrogance problem and we tend to think we're more important than we are. We are a minor power, for sure, but so is Thailand, Indonesia, the Philippines, Japan, and so on. It's hard for a wealthy primarily white European country to accept that our geopolitical position is dominated by a bunch of poor brown Asians, but it is.

[Anonymous No.12193808]

>>12193367
If your a white Australian and you don’t consider yourself as English you need to put a didgeridoo to your temple and blow your brains out, rootless urbanite traitor.

[Anonymous No.12193841]

>>12193808
>wanting to cuck yourself to a culture that sees you as nothing more than a place to get away from all the brown people in London temporarily

for what purpose

[Anonymous No.12193866]

>>12193841
>dude fuck your ancestors dude fuck your blood and soil lmao just let china fuck you lmao what are you a bigot
We’re the same people. Don’t fall for Marxist dividing tactics. Home rule was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.12193879]

>>12193866
Brit here, LARPing empirefags should move on. You people were shipped there from prison for a good reason.

[Anonymous No.12193898]

>>12193866
Whats your end goal with clinging on to Britain? We just middle along indefinitely, doing whatever the Brits (also Yanks) tell us to do whenever they tell us? We just dig our head in the sand and pretend Indonesia, China, the Philippines, India, Thailand, Vietnam, don't all have growing populations and growing economies that will continue to overshadow ours as time goes on?

Literally the only logical outcome to your worldview is that when the UK / the US gets into some armed spat with Russia / China / NK / Spain / France / the Virgin Islands / Antarctica we once again mobalise and send 40% of our able-bodied population to die in some foreign quagmire, regardless of the impact it has on our own society.

Also don't fucking forget that a good chunk of the "anglo" population is actually Irish. If Ireland can have their independence, why can't we?

[Anonymous No.12193902]

>>12189415
>n many rural towns

they dont exist

[Anonymous No.12193906]

>>12193879
Okay, Muhammad.

[Anonymous No.12193938]

>>12193898
Tradition is essential to a healthy society. What’s the end goal of being rootless cosmopolitans with no culture? Really what good do you think will come of a society made up of insectlike Chinese, rabid Muslims, stinky Indians and resentful Anglos? Tradition, history, blood, soil, homogeneity and the family unit are the only thing that can make this country live up to its potential. If not we will be just another brown backwater sucking up to America.

[Anonymous No.12193972]

>>12193938
Well, I don't like the idea of being rootless cosmopolitans either. I'd much rather we tear down the financial institutions of Melbourne, Sydney and Perth and recognise our identity as based on the land. I'm not even opposed to the idea of going back to a nation of farmers and ranchers, the problem is if we try to do that by focusing on our cultural / racial ties to the UK without also gutting our financial elite then we'll just end up a nation where we have white farmers earning chickenfeed while the white bankers continue to rake in the cash.

[Anonymous No.12193974]

>>12189641
>that accent

So cute and yet so sexy.

[Anonymous No.12193987]

>>12189484
Canada seems pretty similar to Australia, at least from my perspective as a burger. Relatively low population, overall pretty damn decent place to live, massive wilderness and lots of outdoors, just lacking a certain dynamism and relevance right now. The century is still young and the US is on the way out. Canada has a ton of land that will be more habitable and maybe even arable with climate change, and if Australia can stay cool enough and utilize the outback for solar grids it could be in a good spot too. No need to despair anons. See it as an opportunity, poeticize and romanticize the worst things you hate, find some beauty or humor somewhere to hold up against that, and you'll have contributed in some way, maybe a significant one, to creating a culture to be proud of.

[Anonymous No.12193988]

>>12189325
Australia has ever been America's long lost cousin. Both countries have their reasons to resent the British, the Americans fought to separate from them and their influence and the Australians were initially all the street toughs and cast offs that British society didn't want. But a war between two countries changes things irrevocably and Australia has never been at war with Britain for obvious reasons, it would be similar to hitting yourself.

You can see this in the shared attitude that both Australians and Americans seem to have, there is something bad ass about how these countries sometimes comport themselves that has always differed from other parts of the anglosphere. Canada for instance always strikes me as a sleepy boy, ever faithful to the UK like a loyal dog. Reliable if a bit relaxed. I like this idea that countries can have personalities.

[Anonymous No.12193995]

>>12193938
If muh traditional societies are so great how come they don't exist any more except in your head? Oh wait, that's exactly it. Better to dream of a fantasy world where all of those meme words you spouted can make you feel better about masturbating too much and seeing too many brown people on the bus than to engage with the reality of your country as it is today.

[Anonymous No.12194001]

>>12193995
This was a very reddit post, Anon.

[Anonymous No.12194006]

>>12193972
Why throw away two thousand years of history, culture and tradition. We have as much right and claim to it as the English, they were our ancestors as well.

[Anonymous No.12194010]

>>12193988
Well I know a badass Canadian <3

[Anonymous No.12194023]

>>12194006
I'm not denying that we don't have very obvious influences from England. Our political system, sports, cuisine, genetics, even the language we're speaking right now are all obviously heavily influenced by our British past. But at the same time, we've developed a lot of things unique to Australia that can't be found in England or anywhere else. We play AFL / Rugby instead of soccer, don't like the idea of aristocracy (whereas the Brits still support it), we spend countless hours at the beach / in the country, have half of our places named after aboriginal words, etc. There is a uniquely Australian identity out there, and while we can acknowledge that it was strongly influenced by British identity, it was also influenced by non-British things. I love the UK, I have relatives over there and it does feel very "familiar", but at the same time I don't want our country to just see itself as being "burned" to that.

[Anonymous No.12194025]

>>12193987
>>12193988
Hmm the more I think about the cooler it sounds if the whole anglosphere just formed like voltron and made this sort of supergroup. Why are countries with shared histories separate in the first place? Like why does it drift apart.

At the end of the day it's a shared language that ties a people together, it's the starting point for everything else. Is linguistic nationalism a thing?

[Anonymous No.12194035]

>>12194025

Yeah....like each country is a different spice girl. Everybody just partners up.

[Anonymous No.12194037]

>>12194025
We almost had it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Federation

[Anonymous No.12194055]

>>12194023
It’s that or multicultural americanisation and chinese feudalism. I get what you’re saying but I just fundamentally disagree. You’re coming at it from the angle that we’re our own unique people and I believe we are, at our heart, transplanted Brits who’ve been having an identity crisis for the past seventy years. We are our own people, but in the same way the Scots and the Welsh and the English are their own people and I wish we weren’t so eager to forget where we came from. Maybe the time for commonwealth brotherhood has passed but a man can dream.

[Anonymous No.12194063]

>>12194055
And even Irish too, obviously. I’m catholic myself.

[Anonymous No.12194081]

>>12193220
>muh working class paradise!!
Stop romanticising the proles you dumb suburban neet. Probably the least ambitious utopia I’ve ever heard of. Only a faggot /aus/poster would talk like that. Even Santamaria whose vision comes closest to what you’re talking about would probably go “yep that’s going in my cringe compilation”.

[Anonymous No.12194089]

>>12193513
>We are a minor power, for sure, but so is Thailand, Indonesia, the Philippines, Japan, and so on. It's hard for a wealthy primarily white European country to accept that our geopolitical position is dominated by a bunch of poor brown Asians, but it is.
Ummm sweetie, Australia is a regional power that rapes all these freaks. They’re literally our welfare queens

[Anonymous No.12194096]

>>12194055
>>12194063
Yeah, fair enough. I think we agree on what the root issues are, we just disagree on what to do about them. Thanks for the talk anyway anon.

[Anonymous No.12194101]

>>12194081
So you have no argument?

[Anonymous No.12194107]

>>12189298
A lotta loyalty for a hired pen

[Anonymous No.12194119]

>>12194101
What the fuck do you mean no argument? What argument is there to be had? I don’t dislike or deny the historical existence of White Australia. I just think your Russel Coight fetishism is embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.12194129]

>>12189325
It's good, but we struggle to identify as Australians. First we had second hand English culture, now we have second hand American culture. Cutting down tall poppies and cultural cringe mean that nothing really takes off here, except design-by-committee shit the ABC forces onto television, which nobody likes because it was by Ultimo hipsters for Melbourne hipsters, none of whom actually watch TV. ABC competes with any private or indie creative outlet, and drowns it in shit.

[Anonymous No.12194132]

>>12193513
>Our involvement in Malaya, Vietnam, etc. have shown that we, at least at one point, saw ourselves as being part of the "Western ruling class" that got to decide how other countries live their lives.

Needn't I remind you that all of these nations would have Japanese chopsticks up their collective arses probably to this day if it weren't for us and the Americans.

> It's hard for a wealthy primarily white European country to accept that our geopolitical position is dominated by a bunch of poor brown Asians, but it is.

It seems that most of our leaders see this solution to this by being more poor and more Asian so as to better fit in. What we should do is become more independent, more self-reliant, more confident, whilst also being prepared to accept a lower living standard in exchange for this (which will be the great political challenge)

>>12193808
I'm pretty Anglo, in culture and in temperament, but Australia is its own nation now.

>>12194055
>It’s that or multicultural americanisation and chinese feudalism.

This is the real problem. When Whitlam came in in '72, the demolition of the Menzies "British-to-our-bootstrap" cultural order began, but it was replaced with essentially nothing but empty platitutes about "fairness", cultural cringe, and ultimately just multiculturalism. Now that multicultralism is ripe for a sweeping Chinese take-over, as it is cultural identity of great self-confidence and self-assertion, whereas "Australian" identity has yet to fully develop.

Ideally, after 1942, we would've gone our separate ways with Britain and established our own separate cultural identity, which was in the process of being established prior to the war. Instead, Menzies really entrenched our ties to Britain, in a time when the empire was dead and Britain was looking to Europe.

Ultimately we have to work with what we've got, but the prosperity of our nation at the moment will make any soul-searching and cultural re-engagement very difficult.

[Anonymous No.12194143]

Australia has a very rich culture that is ingrained deep in our still young country from the working class to the intellectuals to financial elites and anyone who disagrees is a cynic who grew up in suburbia.

>>12189422
A lot more people live in penrith than surry hills...

>>12194089
Lel indeed. If we werent 'looking after' all these sea monkey countries they would be flying chinese flag. Even singapore and malaysia are our bitch.
ASIO gets caught out all the time spying on sea corporations and government in order to blackmail.

[Anonymous No.12194147]

>>12194025
I was thinking more like radical balkanization of all anglo countries into regionally relevant unique cultures instead of even more homogenized boring WASP shit

[Anonymous No.12194159]

>>12194132
>This is the real problem. When Whitlam came in in '72, the demolition of the Menzies "British-to-our-bootstrap" cultural order began, but it was replaced with essentially nothing but empty platitutes about "fairness", cultural cringe, and ultimately just multiculturalism. Now that multicultralism is ripe for a sweeping Chinese take-over, as it is cultural identity of great self-confidence and self-assertion, whereas "Australian" identity has yet to fully develop.
Republicanism bores me precisely because it’s empty. For some reason it’s an end in itself, as if it’s the key to revitalising Australian culture. In my view it’s just getting rid of one last remnant of actual culture without replacing it with anything. I’d be happy to accept republicanism as part of a greater package, but as a goal in itself it’s nothing more than a negative project. The chains it’s supposed to cast off aren’t even real.

[Anonymous No.12194164]

>>12194147
>Surry Hills: 16,412
>Penrith: 13,295
Umm, sweety…

[Anonymous No.12194165]

>>12189484
>>12189487
>>12189500
>>12189503
>>12189626
>>12193987
Australia has no culture anymore because its polluted with the american mass mono-culture. its no different to nearly every other western country today

[Anonymous No.12194169]

>>12194164
Meant for >>12194143

[Anonymous No.12194170]

>>12189298
>Why do they love the bush?
At best because its an imposing and unique aspect of the country. At worst because it provides a quick path to authenticity.

>>12189532
>The only drama with China is stupid seppos doing what they do and we misplacing our loyalty because we got upset with Dad during the war.
Dangerously misinformed, China has made a very concerted effort to dominate Chinese Australians and influence the political system here - and this is an aside to the mass issues theft of intellectual property.

China is not an ordinary country it is very controlling dictatorship in ways that are unimaginable in the West. Imagine the New York Times or Bloomberg being banned from reporting in the US or UK for revealing the wealth of the Trump or May family - even in India this would be seen as too far but in China its acceptable. Likewise its government has a much more direct and closer control over its larger companies than you will find in most countries - even India.

Already they have become major donors to politicans and political parties on both sides - to the comical point where a Chinese Australian politician was accused of being racist by an Anglo Australian in the pocket of the Chinese during the free trade negotiations.

When you combine this with the rise in ultra nationalism in China being stirred up by the government and multicultralisms failure to create a solid and new Australian identity and you have a recipe for disaster.

>>12189549
>. A more level-headed geopolitical stance would be to reduce dependency on the US / UK and instead focus on building ties with our regional neighbours.
Have you considered that the alliance with the US is a source of that independence do you think without the American alliance PNG would have been able to be spared from Indonesian imperialism?

I get it that Australia should make a point of not jumping into every foreign war but the idea that building ties with regional neighbors will advance the interests of the country holds no water.

[Anonymous No.12194172]

>>12194159
This is exactly why I don't think much of republicanism. You've hit the nail on the head. I think most people who push for it are either just anti-British, or delusionally think that its contingent on some great "Australian cultural blossoming", or its just part of the broader multicultural agenda of just completely sterilizing government and society of any cultural remnant from the past, so as to make it more appealing to foreigners.

If republicanism was part of a greater project of Australian cultural renewal, independence and nationalism, then I'd be more willing to support it.

[Anonymous No.12194177]

>>12194170
>When you combine this with the rise in ultra nationalism in China being stirred up by the government and multicultralisms failure to create a solid and new Australian identity and you have a recipe for disaster.
>I get it that Australia should make a point of not jumping into every foreign war but the idea that building ties with regional neighbors will advance the interests of the country holds no water.
This

[Anonymous No.12194179]

>>12194164
eh https://profile.id.com.au/penrith/population

[Anonymous No.12194187]

>>12189338
What do you expect? Australian culture had barely even developed before it was snatched up by the claws of globalism.

[Anonymous No.12194365]

Australia would have been perfect if we separated from the crown earlier and embraced a deeper Celtic perspective, and really doubled down on the Pagan Bushland narrative that was gaining traction in the 1900's esoteric art scene.

Also if we could somehow avoid globalisation and Americanisation, somehow avoid the obvious threat from Indonesia and China.

Also if it wasn't 40 degrees in summer.

Fuck Australia

[Anonymous No.12194377]

Ask the average Australian to name a bush ranger and they will only come up with Ned Kelly, if even that. I can count on one hand the people I know who have heard about the Ben Hall Gang. This is the biggest problem with Australian culture imo.

[Anonymous No.12194401]

>>12194377
Bush rangers aren't relevant to the average Australian. I'm glad they're not more tainted by lowbrow myth than they are.
>>12194365
Celticism is even more boring and less relevant to Australia. I'm glad Irish ressentiment didn't penetrate the Australian consciousness too hard.

[Anonymous No.12194412]

>>12194401
>Bush rangers aren't relevant to the average Australian. I'm glad they're not more tainted by lowbrow myth than they are.
Cringe and bluepilled.
>Celticism is even more boring and less relevant to Australia. I'm glad Irish ressentiment didn't penetrate the Australian consciousness too hard.
Based and redpilled.

[Anonymous No.12194470]

>>12194377
Captain Thunderbolt is the best ranger.

[Anonymous No.12194485]

>>12194365
agreed

[Anonymous No.12194510]

>>12194129
I dunno man, ABC definitely puts better stuff than the commercial stations, I agree that we're culturally bankrupt but overall it probably helps more than hurts.

[Anonymous No.12194545]

>>12194159
This. I fucking hate the royals and plebs who care about them, but considering republicanism would be a symbolic gesture with little to no obvious material effects, it's worth asking 'why'.
In the absence of any meaningful culture I sort of like the idea of being a symbolic bastion of the British Empire, a testament to its former glory, like how medieval Europe had all sorts of relics of the Roman Empire

[Anonymous No.12194804]

>>12194545
>>12194159
Let's say the government decides to drop Lizzie and become a republic overnight. However, realising the lack of natitonal identity that we will face afterwards, they decide to task a group of citizens with coming up with what the new Australia will look like. Wanting a group of people who are seemingly upfront and candid, they decide to ask the users of this "4channel website" in order to set the policy.

What do we do, anons? We're giving free reign to set our cultural narrative post-monarchy. What do we shape Australia into?

[Anonymous No.12194810]

>>12194365
>the Pagan Bushland narrative that was gaining traction in the 1900's

back to pol larping faggot

[Anonymous No.12194861]

>>12194365
I agree with you but also

what you're describing is so far from australian as to not even be worth contemplating lol
might as well've said: america could have been great if not the civil war

[Anonymous No.12194869]

>>12194804
Isolationist island fortress.

Realistically though, we'd just import American culture even harder than we do now

[Anonymous No.12194876]

>>12189844
>>12189844
[Hillsong intensifies]

[Anonymous No.12194877]

>>12194365
>Pagan Bushland narrative that was gaining traction in the 1900's esoteric art scene.
Was that those city folk who formed that art group who jacked off to aboriginal culture all day despite not having a single aboriginal in the group?

[Anonymous No.12195032]

>>12194365
>Also if we could somehow avoid globalisation and Americanisation, somehow avoid the obvious threat from Indonesia and China.
Literally impossible at this point.

[Anonymous No.12195401]

>>12194810
Obsessed. Don’t @ me.

[Anonymous No.12196857]

>>12192601
What can I say, it makes thematic sense