/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12174812]

Daily reminder that your intelligence is genetically determined; that if you've been flaky all your life you will never be productive; no amount of effort will turn you into a talented person; if you're genetically predisposed to need immediate rewards you will never finish long term projects. In other words, you will never be a decent writer unless you won the genetic lottery.

[Anonymous No.12174819]

>>12174812
Good thing I won it. Also, BASED Macron.

[Anonymous No.12174827]

>>12174819
>Good thing I won it

>posts on /lit/
>thinks he is smart

[Anonymous No.12174830]

>>12174812
I'm in my 30s and I failed at everything so far. I will never come to terms with it and I'll probably kill myself. Whenever I try to better myself I fail miserably and I get even more depressed.

[Anonymous No.12174845]

>>12174830
It's ok, bro. Don't off yourself. Let's unite and admire the Superior Men of our time.

[Anonymous No.12174848]

>>12174827
Visiting a literature site has nothing to do with your intelligence, plus /lit/ is best literature website in the world. Who's better? Plebbit? Fagreads? Some literally who forum?

[Anonymous No.12174850]

>>12174848
It does when you visit it for that dopamine hit attached with web forums and image boards.

[Anonymous No.12174858]

>>12174812
I'm living proof that this is wrong. Misspent my teen years and half of my twenties. I frequently procrastinated and avoided responsibilities. Then I matured and eventually went on to earn my PhD. Now I have several published articles. Don't lose faith in yourselves, young men of /lit/.

[Anonymous No.12174866]

>>12174845
I thought that I would amount to something, but life humiliated me so many times I just can't get up anymore. I don't have the will nor the strength to go on. I struggle so much just to keep existing and I think I'm honestly tired of it.

[Anonymous No.12174867]

>>12174858
>getting PhD in the humanities
>publishing in humanities journals
>thinking that counts as turning your genetic makeup around

lmao

[Anonymous No.12174872]

>>12174850
You can't help that, though, are you saying smart people don't visit any social network (or any other sites that boost dopamine)? Because I've seen plenty of writers and filmmakers using them, and not just your average YA or bluckbuster creators, but actual artists.

[Anonymous No.12174881]

>>12174867
As opposed to what? Doing nothing and perishing like a dog because you weren't born a genius?

[Anonymous No.12174883]

>>12174872
>filmmakers
>actual artists

A-anon, I-I... have bad news

[Anonymous No.12174897]

>>12174883
art·ist
noun
a person who practices any of the various creative arts, such as a sculptor, novelist, poet, or filmmaker.

[Anonymous No.12174904]

>>12174812
I didn't need this today OP.

[Anonymous No.12174912]

>>12174883
Are you saying Guillermo del Toro and Alfonso Cuarón aren't artists? Pan's Labyrinth and Roma aren't works of art?

[Anonymous No.12174913]

>>12174897
What about the definition of actual artist?

>>12174881
pretty much, yes

[Anonymous No.12174920]

>>12174913
>pretty much, yes
Then less than 1% of writers would even try. There are lots of writers who knew they weren't geniuses, yet they tried.

[Anonymous No.12174930]

>>12174881
What's the point? I tried drawing and painting for 6 years and despite all the study and effort I could barely produce amateur work, while 16 year olds made masterpieces. So I just quit. If you don't have talent there's no point competing. There are people destined to be consumers and people destined to produce and invent. I understood that I was a consumer. This is my role, it's delusional to keep believing I'll amount to something.

[Anonymous No.12174931]

>>12174812

[Anonymous No.12174942]

>>12174930
It seems like you just weren't born with creativity nor imagination. I thought you at least had those. Why were you even trying? To be an artist just because?

[Anonymous No.12174950]

>>12174942
I liked doing it and I had a passion for it. But when you're aware of your inadequacy passion turns into frustration. In the end I only felt anger when painting because all my works were failures.

[Anonymous No.12174951]

this is called learned helplessness OP. you very much can change the fact that you are a flake, and turn into a productive person. there are many ways towards self improvement but the only right way is to figure it out on your own. im in my twenties doing it right now, im experiencing tremendous amounts of growth as when i realized how dumb and needy of instant gratificiation i was i was pretty much bottm of the barrel. working on overriding DMN, inhabiting space between stimuli and reaction(meditation) pomodoro technique works well to kickstart a working session. read mihaly work on flow, and understand what variables need to be corrected in order to reach flow state. also eat healthy and exercise cause its good for you. sorry youre having a tough time but you are never locked by your biology, one can argue about exactly where the line is placed between the gradient of nature vs nurture but one thing that scientists and all of us intuitively know is that its not just one but both

i never post and i cant be bothered to proofread so no brainlet posts

pic related

[Anonymous No.12174965]

>>12174812
Regardless of one's proximity to the edge of an abyss, it remains unfathomable to all.

[Anonymous No.12174969]

>>12174812
That’s cool, but I can still maximize the intelligence I do have in conjunction with the venting of my strength via will, and that’s more than even the most intelligent people ever do. Honestly, I’m more stressed out by the lottery of fortune than I am my genetic predisposition. Imagine all the bards better than Homer that just didn’t gain traction, were arbitrarily lost to history, etc. Hence Nietzsche’s focus on ensuring the former cultivation of the will and the deeply reverent understanding of chance.

[Anonymous No.12174974]

>>12174930
this is a really fucking terrible attitude to have
>I can't be the best so what's the point?
watch Amadeus.

[Anonymous No.12174976]

Nice to see determinism is become much more prevalent now.

[Anonymous No.12174977]

>>12174812
>that if you've been flaky all your life you will never be productive
My parents are flaky and they produced me and my siblings and afforded to send us all to college, so I don't buy your non-/lit/ thread.

[Anonymous No.12174992]

read tao te ching op

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[Anonymous No.12175007]

>>12174812
Jokes on you, I abuse adderall

[Anonymous No.12175009]

>>12174974
When you can't even be mediocre, you're just wasting your time. Only literal retards keep smashing against the wall

[Anonymous No.12175011]

>>12175007
START microdosing adderall, it won't fuck up your brain permanently at all :^)

[Anonymous No.12175016]

>>12174812
as much as I hate to admit it, you're right. if you're not extraordinarily talented you really should just keep writing as a hobby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxTRCPKFltE

[Anonymous No.12175035]

This is terrible advice, and OP is projecting his failures as a genetic crutch. I bet OP is fat as well. That's genetic. Being fat and unable to get your shit done.

[Anonymous No.12175037]

>>12175016

Mark's character James Bennet is a text book case pathological gambler. How he teaches and the things he is saying to his students only illustrates his distorted and negative view of the world and his own personal life. He's trapped between All or nothing, black or white, genius or mediocrity, happy or unhappy. high level or low level, self-love or self hate. His teaching style is unhealthy, negative and irresponsible. His lecture isn't enlightening anyone. All this was part of illustrating the hidden mental disease of a gambling addict.

[Anonymous No.12175044]

>>12175016
He's right for the most part, but still, people decided to write even after knowing Shakespeare was this giant wrier. What would have happened if they they decided not to? We wouldn't even have 90% of all the good literature. My advice is, if you weren't born a genius, like most of the planet, but you have creativity and imagination, try it and work hard. A hard working man with creativity and imagination is in some cases more successful than a lazy genius. And remember that not everyone can be Shakespeare, and not everyone is even trying to do so.

[Anonymous No.12175054]

>>12174977
Wow.

[Anonymous No.12175059]

>>12174866
I feel the same way but only 19, how have you made it into your 30s?

[Anonymous No.12175067]

>>12175044
When Beethoven died there was a musical drought because most European composers couldn't bear to write in the shadow of his reputation, but had all of them adopted this attitude there wouldn't have been a Schubert. Granted you might say that Schubert was a genius of equal calibre to Beethoven but the principle holds. Creativity is healthy, but comparing yourself to genius isn't.

[Anonymous No.12175076]

>>12175035
I am fat.

[Anonymous No.12175082]

>>12175059
I'm 31

[Anonymous No.12175089]

>>12174812
>behave one way as a child
>behave another way as an adolescent
>behave in a completely different way as an adult
>behave completely differently depending on my enivronment
>behave autistically in all situations
Yeah it must be my genetic's

[Anonymous No.12175094]

>>12175076
I'm sorry I didn't mean to be so mean. Get skinny and get your shit done. Genetics means nothing.

[Anonymous No.12175095]

>>12175076

[Anonymous No.12175096]

>>12175059
I've stayed a NEET at home on a shitton of antidepressants that barely work. The only reason I haven't offed myself is my cat, I don't want her to end up in a shelter.

[Anonymous No.12175101]

>>12175094
>Genetics means nothing.
I think you're swinging a little too far in the right direction

[Anonymous No.12175108]

>>12175094
Genetics mean something. But forgetting about everything because boo hoo I'm not a genius, mommy, is for the weak.

[Anonymous No.12175117]

[Anonymous No.12175121]

People are capable of incredible transformations. Going from flab to fab, or ignoramus to knowledgable. From unable to do something to able to do it. This happens. All the time. And people with good genes don't just sit there through it all like it's a movie and watch it unfold as their magic genes scurry about and do everything for them like helpful little gnomes. They try too. They fuck up too. They get overwhelmed as well. They waste time and procrastinate and have fears.

[Anonymous No.12175128]

>>12174950
uh oh...

[Anonymous No.12175139]

Dopamine is supposed to be released when we make something, not consume something. Everyone takes in food or porn or drugs and uses up their dopamine. There is nothing left to be released when you do something attainable, small, and good. Like picking up a dirty sock. Basically clean your room, make shit, but fuck peterson.

[Anonymous No.12175150]

Stupid people can do wonders if they study logic and master the drudgery of erudition. Even more so for those who are more intellegen.
Deficts in attention, motivation, and executive functioning can be treated with metabolic wellness; a healthy diet, regular exercise, nutrition, and trained habits. Ecological wellness too, and don't forget drugs.
People can get better at living. That's a fact. Getting better at living is what life is trying to do.

[Anonymous No.12175165]

>>12175139
>food
the principle is good but i dont think it really applies to food. u need food to make energy to make stuff (including dopamine)

[Anonymous No.12175185]

>>12174867
Yeah who needs humanities when I can just parrot shit I heard on pol instead.

[Anonymous No.12175186]

>>12175121
>people with good genes don't just sit there
True, because their genetic makeup makes them do something about it.

[Anonymous No.12175193]

>>12175186
Polygenic levels are the best predictors of educational achievement, for example. We live in a hierarchy, and some people are just more suited to succeed than others.

[Anonymous No.12175198]

>>12175193
If by succeed you mean please our Jewish masters then sure

[Anonymous No.12175208]

>>12175165
yeah, but texture and processed food is a dopamine succubus. Hotpockets don't taste like anything, it's all bready texture and filling. I meant to say real food vs salty, sweet, gooey, processed box food. If it's in a box, it's just like fapping all the time. It will drain you.

[Anonymous No.12175257]

>>12174930
You seem obsessed with looking at life as though it is and could only ever be a race or a competition. Start by ridding yourself of this. It's an incredibly limited outlook resulting from your underdeveloped mind.

[Anonymous No.12175261]

>>12175165
food has been a major thing ive been tackling in regards to my own development and to fight my depression this last couple of months. i know how to lift weights but i always thought that if i exercise i can do whatever i want. last year i gained 40 excess lbs and i was able to lose them all and am slowly starting to be both happy and intigued with how this flesh vessel works biomechanically.

ill save condense my major revelations

people naturally are prone to consume way too much suger and carbohydrates, which your body likes, but its easy to overeat as they cause high insulin spike which makes you feel hubgry again quicker. i started here and did keto diet (i know fad diet) i realized how much sugar and shit food cravings a had every couple hours, i did keto/carnivoreish diet so i basically ate steak all day every day (and cauliflower rice) and not only did it taste really good but i was satiated for very long stretches of time. once i got a hold on keto i started to mix in exercise which was fine for a while but keto isnt great for buding muscle, mostly just slimming down and fixing your stomach microbiome (basically your stomach is like a second brain in regards to conplexity)

there are a musltitude of factors that lead you body to gain weight, and heres where dumb people sometimes miss nuance.

its not as simple as calorie in calorie out.

your body has something a a switch which is controlled by hormones which are controlled by what you eat, and that switch tells your body when to put on weight and when to start burning

this is a super simplified way of looking at it but undertaking this step has probably been the best thing i ever done

youre not alone, neither are you a slave to your biology

ill save a

[Anonymous No.12175276]

>>12175261
Oh and wash you're penis

[Anonymous No.12175300]

>>12174812
>come on board full of insecure manchildren
>post to derive pleasure from exploiting their vulnerabilities
>"muh genetics"
>make deductions even the more qualified geneticists wouldn't dare make
>obviously doesn't grasp the concepts beyond a basic level just spouting it out

Irony is OP, if gratuitous cruelty towards feeble souls like the ones of young aspiring artists is a defining character trait of yours you will ultimately lead a life endlessly more meaningless and pathetic than a thousand failed artists

[Anonymous No.12175382]

>>12174812
no study has found 100% heritability for intelligence

heritability doesnt mean you cant change

everyone has environments they can succeed well in and ones they dont

things like random events/bad luck, environments that prevent you nurturing your goals and just sheer ignorance all have undeniable effects and for this, even smart and talented people will fail most of the time through fate and the bottlenecks we impose on social climbing.

no one really knows what their genetic predispositions are

[Anonymous No.12175385]

>>12175257
This is why our society keeps rewarding mediocrity with participation prizes instead of sorting the worthy from the chaff, and to what results? I'd rather make room for someone with actual talent than delude myself that my work is worth noticing when it's clearly not. Life is a race and there are losers.

[Anonymous No.12175395]

>>12175385
I wish I lived in a society that didn't stigmatize suicide so I could transition to a more productive state without hurting my family.

[Anonymous No.12175454]

>>12175385
Again your aforementioned obsession betrays you. I didn't say that there wasn't competition or competitive elements in life. There are and yes there is a purpose to them. However this is absolutely not all there is to life and your beliefs display a disproportionate reverence for this specific part of life.

Your assertion that your work is not worth noticing is a self-judgement. I don't know you personally but I'd imagine you're too harsh on yourself. This is true even if your work is garbage because in that case your harshness towards yourself takes form in not allowing yourself to believe you can improve, among others probably. Besides even if you never become an artist there are many other ways to contribute to the world, if you can't accept this then you're obsessed with a self image of a future artist which has become unhealthy. Suicide solves nor helps any of these problems. There is no "other one" that you'll be making room for, you can't know whether or not you are or will one day be worthy, it's all in your head.

[Anonymous No.12175480]

>>12174951
Cudos

[Anonymous No.12175489]

Clean your room.

[Anonymous No.12175513]

>>12174812
Sounds like a disciplinelet coping.

You realize that monastic sects are a thing and have been for millennia, right? Are all the monks that join a sect just people who were predetermined to be disciplined and productive?

[Anonymous No.12175575]

>>12174812
>implying living up to genetic potential is "good"
the limbic system is a meme, just fucking do or dont without a goal to justify it
fucking zoomers kek

[Anonymous No.12175589]

>>12174920
>Then less than 1% of writers would even try
What a coincidence, less than 1% of writers are good.

[Anonymous No.12175602]

>>12175589
No. Less than 1% are geniuses. Being good is rather easy.

[Anonymous No.12175615]

>>12175454
It's not in my head lol, I had 30 years to try and I failed everything.

[Anonymous No.12175635]

>>12174812
Intelligence is partly genetic, but productivity is not. You can become productive and turn your life around without being a genius. Narcissistic autists dreaming about writing the novel of the century are idiots however.

[Anonymous No.12175820]

>>12175635
productivity has a large heritable component too though. literally every trait that influences your life will have large genetic influences. even environmental influences on people are heritable.

[Anonymous No.12175870]

>>12174930
You're an idiot.

[Anonymous No.12175881]

>>12175615
It's your own fault for failing.

[Anonymous No.12175892]

>>12175615
You've failed because your mind has been broken for those 30 years and obviously continues to be. There are other factors but this is the one you can alter the most and therefore the one you should devote the most attention to.