/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12141150]

What is accelerationism?
What's the philosophy of pic related exactly in laymen terms?

[Anonymous No.12141171]

To suck the big guy's dick out of pure spite for others.

[Anonymous No.12141184]

Too late to explain senpai.

[Anonymous No.12141274]

Shit's fucked and getting more fucked by the day.
It's impossible to reverse how fucked shit is, but it might but possible to fuck shit up so much and so fast that shit changes.

[Anonymous No.12141304]

[Anonymous No.12141804]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=ELrmUroR2hqNY

watch this first

or, tldr: it's just post-structuralism without commieshit

[Anonymous No.12141898]

>>12141150
Robo dick is delicious

[Anonymous No.12141908]

Just read his shit man. He's talking about a lot of different things

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XlQRafOM3ugJKu5imGnlWPPMbljbKLKd/view

This reader someone put together will give you a decent idea of what he's getting at

[Anonymous No.12141916]

>>12141150
>Meltdown has a place for you as a schizophrenic HIV+ transsexual chinese-latino stim-addicted LA hooker with implanted mirrorshades and a bad attitude. Blitzed on a polydrug mix of K-nova, synthetic serotonin, and female orgasm analogs, you have just iced three Turing cops with a highly cinematic 9mm automatic.
>The residue of animal twang in your nerves transmits imminent quake catastrophe. Zero is coming in, and you're on the run.

[Anonymous No.12141969]

>>12141908
>pdf

Got this in epub/mobi?

[Anonymous No.12142160]

It is an ideology of pure spite.

[Anonymous No.12142545]

[Anonymous No.12143657]

>>12141150

Just read the primer by the man himself

https://jacobitemag.com/2017/05/25/a-quick-and-dirty-introduction-to-accelerationism/

If you want to dig a little deeper, read the Urbanomic Accelerate book.

[Anonymous No.12143716]

>>12143657
Wow, I didn't realize that accelerationism is really just about converting socialists to capitalists in the hopes of bringing down capitalism. I unironically support this, since it's gibberish and it will get more people out of the way of capitalism making the world a better place.

[Anonymous No.12143730]

>>12142545
intellectuals don't speak in in "anyone who"s. the anyone whos are irrelevant, get to YOUR point and stop debasing random fallacies dumb people have to try and make yourself seem more credible. this guy is a conceited poser, which is sad because I'm sure I'd agree with a lot of his points.

[Anonymous No.12144810]

>>12141274
This

[Anonymous No.12144825]

What if the real Accelerationism is the stuff we read along the way to make sense out of that gibberish

[Anonymous No.12144834]

shit's bad, and getting worse, and worse is getting worse progressively, but maybe if worse gets worse fast enough it will start being better, because in actuality worse is better, and better is worse.

[Anonymous No.12145468]

it's supporting the "bad guy" in the marxist view but its still just dumb marxist determinism

[Anonymous No.12145499]

>What's the philosophy of pic related exactly in laymen terms?
Division of labour: the capitalists butt heads in search of a win, the accelerationists cheerlead on the sidelines.

[Anonymous No.12145541]

>And if there is no desire to go back except as a cheap Hollywood holiday in other People’s misery – if, as Lyotard argues, there are no primitive societies, (yes, the Terminator was there from the start, distributing microchips to accelerate its advent); isn’t, then, the only direction forward? Through the shit of capital, metal bars, its polystyrene, its books, its sausage pâtés, its cyberspace matrix?
>I want to make three claims here –
>1. Everyone is an accelerationist
>2. Accelerationism has never happened.
>3. Marxism is nothing if it is not accelerationist
[...]
>What, then, is Land’s philosophy about?
>In a nutshell: Deleuze and Guattari’s machinic desire remorselessly stripped of all Bergsonian vitalism, and made backwards-compatiblewith Freud’s death drive and Schopenhauer’s Will. The Hegelian-Marxist motor of history is then transplanted into this pulsional nihilism: the idiotic autonomic Will no longer circulating idiotically on the spot, but upgraded into a drive, and guided by a quasi-teleological artificial intelligence attractor that draws terrestrial history over a series of intensive thresholds that have no eschatological point of consummation, and that reach empirical termination only contingently if and when its material substrate burns out. This is Hegelian-Marxist historical materialism inverted: Capital will not be ultimately unmasked as exploited labour power; rather, humans are the meat puppet of Capital, their identities and self-understandings are simulations that can and will be ultimately be sloughed off.

http://markfisherreblog.tumblr.com/post/32522465887/terminator-vs-avatar-notes-on-accelerationism

[Anonymous No.12145570]

>>12141150
basically shit needs to get bad faster, before finite becomes infinite, otherwise we are royally fucked for eternity (but secretly we are fucked either way)

[Anonymous No.12146987]

>>12145570
i like this

[Anonymous No.12147739]

natalism is accellerationist antinatalism

[Anonymous No.12147746]

Nick Land is what you get when someone takes seriously the notion that reading a lot will make you a good writer.

[Anonymous No.12147754]

this is the big enchilada OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NVsyMalJXo

[Anonymous No.12148033]

How is it not just fascism?

[Anonymous No.12148042]

>>12148033
how is it just fascism?

[Anonymous No.12148046]

>>12148033
fascists actually like humanity, in a cruel and twisted way

[Anonymous No.12148047]

Here is a picture of Nick Land back when he first moved to shanghai in the early 2000's

[Anonymous No.12148051]

some stupid shit my man

[Anonymous No.12148114]

>>12143657

The main significant difference between this and Marxism is that the latter is prophecy waiting for the system to fail itself, while accelerationism calls those to take a hammer and begin the deconstruction of the capitalist towers. However, we've seen in the 20th century numerous leaders try to speed up the end of history under the guise of communism, which only led to authoritarian states. Why would I expect this to be any different?

[Anonymous No.12148120]

>>12141150
Marxism but you side with Capital against humans

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[Anonymous No.12148150]

>>12148114
>while accelerationism calls those to take a hammer and begin the deconstruction of the capitalist towers

That's one interpretation I suppose, but I think accelerationism is best understood as something with a life of its own--something that doesn't need our help.

[Anonymous No.12148162]

>>12148150
It is cybernetics; intensifying feedback loops, specifically the M-C-M circuit as formulated by Marx. If it does not lead to an intensification of M-C-M it is not accelerationism.

[Anonymous No.12148169]

>>12148114
accelerationism was prescriptive for some leftist retards, but it's not anymore, it's just a descriptive doomsday scenario with some scary psychos like Nick Land thinking it's actually good, as in what gets liberated is not humanity but capital dynamics itself, so we are just a stepping stone for that machinic desire until it doesn't needs us anymore

[Anonymous No.12148512]

>>12141150
So does Land "like" capitalism or not? Is he just some tech-libertarian who sees Singapore as a model or simply a supporter to lead capitalism to destruction for a new system?

[Anonymous No.12148518]

>>12148512
>So does Land "like" capitalism or not?

It's complicated.

[Anonymous No.12148535]

>>12148512
To say he "likes" capitalism is kinda missing the point. He considers the dynamic processes of capital and its movement towards its own annihilation to be productively the same thing, so regardless of whether he supports it or not, he acknowledges that the only way to reach an terminal exit velocity is to accelerate the process.

Also, in the time it takes to make this point, the opportunity to slow this forward motion has already been and gone, we're always already too late to do anything about it. The only viable option left is to push even further, regardless of the outcome

[Anonymous No.12148564]

>>12148512
>So does Land "like" capitalism or not?

Capitalism, for Land, is a cosmic phenomenon that has made itself real by assembling itself from the future. Having done so, it dissolves everything in order to rebuild it in its image. The first to fall are those who foolishly think they can control it. How could he not ally with Capitalism?

[Anonymous No.12148578]

>>12148518
Fair enough.

>>12148535
Yes, I understand it is a simplification, but what little of his I have read, mostly through interviews, seems to suggest he supports capitalism in principle and wishes for its success and feels that there will be some sort of Blade Runner like world of technology and unbridled capitalism. It's just perplexing because then he seems to suggest he supports this only to see it collapse.

[Anonymous No.12148593]

>>12148578
>only to see it collapse

To be honest, I don't think there is a collapse at the end in Land's take on acceleration. Not on the part of Capitalism anyways.

[Anonymous No.12148643]

>>12147754
Is he crazy or is this true? It feels like it's true.

[Anonymous No.12150405]

[Anonymous No.12150471]

>>12150405
accurate

[Anonymous No.12150484]

>>12150405
How can pale horses even compete?

[Anonymous No.12150515]

>>12150405
based

[Anonymous No.12151906]

>>12141969
Just use an online conversion tool beggar.

[Anonymous No.12151954]

>>12150405
Yep, this one's going in my 'based' folder.

[Anonymous No.12152641]

>>12150405
based and, dare i say, redpilled

[Anonymous No.12152679]

>>12141804
>anime
no

[Anonymous No.12152716]

Not OP, but I have read this entire thread and still do not understand. Should I just give up trying to understand this ideology?

[Anonymous No.12152746]

Girardfag when is the next Cosmotech? I know you are in here you little bitch.

[Anonymous No.12152765]

>>12152746
not girardfag but we can’t force the will of the tao and the great Pause that Refreshes... or some weird wise gay shit like that he might probably say

I miss him :,(

[Anonymous No.12152799]

>>12152716
No one understands they are just pretending
Crazy man writes down crazy fiction novel ideas, pretty much it

[Anonymous No.12152812]

>>12152716
Land admitted at times that Acc is no more or less than aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.12152817]

>>12141150
Capitalism is a self correcting, self improving loop that resembles an AI. Humans are it's hardware, so to speak. It arises inextricably from human nature. Ultimately it will transcended humans and leave them behind once we achieve singularity. Also we should just accept this and accelerate it.

[Anonymous No.12152903]

>>12148047
He looks like WCW wrestler Sting.

[Anonymous No.12152921]

>>12141184
underrated

[Anonymous No.12152941]

>>12141274
So its stock-standard anarchism?

[Anonymous No.12152963]

>>12145541
Why does modern philosophy feel like a competition to use as many big boi words as possible? Like, no modern philosopher would ever say "dick", it's always a "carnal phallic representation of oedipal self-actualization" or some equally dumb shit

[Anonymous No.12153301]

>>12148518
where can i read the /ASS/ manifest

[Anonymous No.12153307]

>>12152963
because modern philosophers aren't actually putting ideas forward, but engaging in pilpul

[Anonymous No.12153338]

>>12150405
i dont get it help me

[Anonymous No.12153359]

How exactly does Accelerationism fit with Neoreaction?

[Anonymous No.12153509]

>>12153338

The horse is Capitalism.

[Anonymous No.12153523]

>>12153359

Patchwork is the key.
Neoreaction cheers-on the splintering of nations. Capitalism accelerates the process.

[Anonymous No.12153821]

We acceleration now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYG_4vJ4qNA

[Anonymous No.12153980]

>>12153821
i duno wat that has to do with nick land but i wanna that twitter girls armpits for sure

[Anonymous No.12154005]

>>12152746
meh at some point. when the mood strikes and i cannot live without shitposting ad nauseam ad infinitum about Uncle Nick once more

kind of enjoying the Pause that Refreshes tbqh. catching up on my eastern mystics and sages and feeling rather cozy indeedy about the whole shebang

especially now that Land seems to be about three inches away from just declaring Om Mani Padme Hum about the whole thing. if capital is simply secrecy/passkeys/codes/signals/open secrets & masks &c it just kind of feels like a good time to read the Daodejing and Journey to the West and the Platform Sutra et al and begin preparing for wasteland life. after the Wild Ride there is nothing else out there except post-apocalyptica anyways

gotta be chill and friendly as you know. radical normie acceptance, 'tis a thing

>>12152765
kek

[Anonymous No.12154030]

>>12153821
REEEEEEEE
My AI death cult is not your art project

[Anonymous No.12154052]

>>12141916
Very based anon

[Anonymous No.12154092]

>>12152941
No not really. It’s almost the complete opposite. Anarchy is practically decelerationism.

[Anonymous No.12154328]

>>12154092
find any two anarchists who can agree on what 'stock-standard anarchism' is for a start
I think nick would argue that it's anarchy but probably not in the way >>12152941 means
for him, disintegration to patchwork does constitute an intensifying anarchy, defined against its opposite being world government
capitalism as exit
commodification of citizenship
also cryptoanarchy, as he once posted on twitter:
web.archive.org/web/20170604095005/theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/04/forget-far-right-populism-crypto-anarchists-are-the-new-masters-internet-politics

leftist anarchy is decelerationary (and anprim is terminationary) but it's hard to make a generalization

[Anonymous No.12155520]

>>12153359
Need to destroy the current liberal order in order to take us to the next stage of creation.

[Anonymous No.12155902]

>>12154030
Lol, it is now.

[Anonymous No.12156251]

[Anonymous No.12156366]

>>12141916
This is the most profound execution of prose in the past 80 years. The apotheosis of what literary endeavours can achieve in this day and age. Any serious writer of the future will be able to cite this specific passage as the point where everything changed.
I wish Nick would write a proper novel.

[Anonymous No.12156378]

>>12156251
>ywn have Uncle Nick as a teacher, perched on a chair like a mantis, stoned and rambling about Kant

[Anonymous No.12157541]

>>12141916
fucking kino

[Anonymous No.12157554]

How is accelerationism put into practice by its advocates?

[Anonymous No.12157571]

>>12152817
Why not just commit suicide?

[Anonymous No.12157676]

>>12157554
So this is a tricky questions but I will do my best (still getting familiar with acceleration myself). Acceleration is not so much a prescription as a it is a diagnoses. It is the an analysis of capital, intelligence, evolution, concluding that they are, on a deeply primordial level, contingent a similar process; that being an intensifying loop of positive feedback.

Now, there are three main forks of acceleration. Left, Right, and Unconditional. All of them are shades of neoliberalism that play with a cyber-gothic anti-human aesthetic, arrived at negatively through Marx, Nietzsche, Gibson and other influence on the CCRU. None of them are inseparable from Neoliberalism in function, only in how they aestheticize that function and to what ends. Good example is shiney mainstream neoliberals see transexuals as a new wave of vibrant fun potential consumers who get their own Ben & Jerry's icecream (YA!). Acc on the otherhand will aestheticize them as a liquefying acausal demons from the future sent, by capital, to dissolve the past's deceleration tendencies. And they will be cool with it!

Left-Acc is dead, as it failed to significantly delineate itself from the shiny mainstream global UBI serfdom neoliberal crowd.

Right-Acc remains no purely analytic by outsourcing prescription to NRx (although the two get mixed up by people)

Unconditional-Acc differs from L-Acc but is more or less the same as R-Acc (when divorced of NRx). It states that there is no possible way we can make capital serve us anymore, the genie is out of the bottle and that there is no stopping it either. There is no need to aide (like dumb humans even could) it either, it is taking care of itself by this point.

[Anonymous No.12157795]

>DUDE THINGS ARE BAD AND GETTING BADDER
So...this is the power of...nu-philosophy...whoa

[Anonymous No.12157809]

>>12157795

[Anonymous No.12158075]

>>12141304
AnCap here, that doesn't sound too bad to me. Machines will ultimately be far more adaptable, they will inherit it all. We are just a means to an end, a phase.

[Anonymous No.12158245]

>>12157554
People into theory don't put anything into practice. 'Accerationism' in practice is basically 'just keep doing the same'.

[Anonymous No.12158248]

Lol, Land noticed Grimes' new song and is amused by it and seems to admire her.

[Anonymous No.12158253]

>>12158248
He likes Ellen Musk so he knows about her, plus NRx grimes has been a meme for Acc-Twitter for nearly two years.

[Anonymous No.12158258]

>>12157676
>Left-Acc is dead, as it failed to significantly delineate itself from the shiny mainstream global UBI serfdom neoliberal crowd.

Well, yeah, and the fact that its whole humanist concerns/intentions are fundamentally missing the point.

Everyone into it seems to be lowkey or straight-up nrx, or savagely apolitical.

But anyways like everything it's just larping. It's all just a style game.

[Anonymous No.12158266]

>>12158253
He liked some tweet saying "ikr? what a queen" in response to some sjw leftist being all "ugh did Grimes REALLY make a transhumanist song with colonialist, orientalist cliches??"

[Anonymous No.12158268]

>>12158253
The nrx grimes twitter was hilariously accurately predictive.

Although honestly people with Grimes type of aesthetic often very much are in a zone that sjw leftists find really problematic to say the least, some of them being quietly anti-left.

[Anonymous No.12158272]

>>12154030
>taking politics seriously

Everything is mediated by aesthetic experience; art is a much more apt way of engaging with reality's antihuman weirdness than politics ever could be.

[Anonymous No.12158276]

Honestly I would love to watch Grimes and Elon talk shit on whiny leftist journalists during a coke session, with diversions into neoreaction talking points.

[Anonymous No.12158279]

>>12158253
What are the odds Musk has been introduced to nrx / dark enlightenment type texts? Reading between the lines I get the impression he's probably aware of it and has probably been slipping it into Grimes' koolaid.

[Anonymous No.12158293]

>>12158268
>Although honestly people with Grimes type of aesthetic often very much are in a zone that sjw leftists find really problematic

Do you mean her aesthetic for the recent video or do you also include her older stuff in there as well?

[Anonymous No.12158292]

It was funny when for a second a few clueless people were inaccurately thinking accelerationism "is a philosophy about going through capitalism in order to end it" when in fact in most of its forms, including that of its most notorious figurehead, it's simply embracing the system, not concerned with accelerating it for some Marxist goal. In fact it's really not at all about that. As an Anon above said the brief attempt to even theorize a left accelerationism immediately petered out because that's like giving heroin to kids as an anti-drug strategy, or 'fapping to end masturbation'.

[Anonymous No.12158306]

>>12158293
Older stuff too. A large swath of people of that ilk have been kind of apolitical or left-skeptic. This isn't a climate where you can be out-in-the-open about it, and of course there are going to be peers who are super lefist in the most sjw Judith Butler-y way too constantly feigning offense at everything, but there are also a LOT of cutting edge art people that fucking hate that whole mode. When I was in art school there was definitely a certain strain of people who were quietly groaning at the whole social justice post-structuralist influence while at the same time being even more cutting edge and weird and in some cases queer. One might imagine an 'alt-left' appearing in such a zone but the problem is anyone particularly committed that much to the left wouldn't dare distinguishing themselves from the greater left even if they can see flaws in the 'vampire's castle' or whatever. Whereas otherwise a lot of those in the art and philosophy world who are just totally weary of sjw opt either for more just a general 'liberalism', or alternately seem vaguely apolitical in that Death Grips-y kind of way, or come across as someone you'd presume is left, like some of those around the post-ccru type zone, but who you realize quietly still follow Nick Land, and then there are several who are in actuality just low key dark enlightenment.

[Anonymous No.12158309]

>>12158279
I think the chances are very likely when you remember that Moldbug and Peter Thiel are acquainted with one another. The Silicone Valley tech crowd is a small world and was even smaller a decade ago, basically everyone knows about Moldbug and the ones who were influenced by UR knew it was better to be silent about it. Don't reveal your support for feudal tech-lords until you are ready to assume lordship over your hyper-fief.

[Anonymous No.12158317]

>>12158309
That was actually the exact source I was imagining Moldbug / Land etc's influence getting to Musk, by way of Thiel or similar types of friends.

Honestly, I really presume Grimes herself has probably gotten a whole other perspective knowing Musk and then seeing the kind of dishonest info campaigns media pull on him etc. And then they probably do a lot of drugs together and talk about crazy futuristic ideas getting into some exciting zones beyond her previous leftist imaginings and all these interesting new synaptic pathways are forming for her.

[Anonymous No.12158344]

>>12158317
It’s a beautiful thing really. This is the best possible outcome for an artist, I fantasize constantly about getting my own grimes to swoon. It’s the destiny of every hipster faux intellectual girl. They break the egg young but never break it enough. They aren’t nornies and begin to develop a taste in art and obscurist hobbies.

The great tragedy of this generation is that women have begun to stop doing this as they’re backed by the lingering childless hippies cranking out Twitter nihilism and man hate living vicariously through these young women. I ruminate often about our childless cities and how they’ll come to resemble japan. What will that be likethrough the prism of American culture? Single disgusting men and women so angry that their estrogen levels sink to historic lows.


Don’t EVER forget that they did this to not just us, but this generation of women too. A complete denial of happiness and biological purpose. All to sell us more bullshit.

[Anonymous No.12158361]

>>12158344
There's much more potential for these art girls to evolve past youthful-default-leftism than you'd think. All the best girls I know around the art world have immense contempt for leftist culture, and it's not that they're even right wing, they're just really smart and can see past the pathetic posturing of twitter and college activists. The most satisfying (anti) political conversations I've ever had were with gorgeous cutting edge art-world girls on how pathetic leftists are. It's so hot to have some art scene beauty smirk evilly at you and exclaim "haha, I'm not some fucking feminist! I like being a woman! It's great and easy to be a woman, why would I fucking complain?" So honest and real.

[Anonymous No.12158367]

>>12158361
>It's so hot to have some art scene beauty smirk evilly at you and exclaim "haha, I'm not some fucking feminist! I like being a woman! It's great and easy to be a woman, why would I fucking complain?" So honest and real.

Like, I almost imagine Grimes kind of coming to this position now when she's chilling with Elon. Like, she loves women, loves being a bio-woman, also kind of queerish / genderqueer / whatever, but also getting to that "but, like, chill the fuck out about it" place.

[Anonymous No.12158386]

>>12158367
This is what your 30’s look like.

[Anonymous No.12158388]

>>12158386
Haha, true. As long as a person isn't utterly warped.

[Anonymous No.12158396]

>Grimes
>Musk
>Land
Sure smells like zoom spirit here

[Anonymous No.12158399]

>>12158396
Welcome to realiti

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[Anonymous No.12158404]

>>12158361
>>12158367
I feel like ultimately I have way more in common with these women as they have taste im music and art usually. Unfortunately it’s alwaus through the shitty post structuralist prism. I feel so unbelievably alienated bro’s. I’ve been toying with the idea of dating Christian women because atleast they act normal in public andcan talk to me. But they believe in a sky man and I just don’t feel like I have options, I’m not sure if I have the patience or the ability to change these art thots.

Wat do? Existential crisis ensues

[Anonymous No.12158460]

>>12158404
>Unfortunately it’s alwaus through the shitty post structuralist prism

So? You shouldn't let what girls believe get to you so much. So long as they fall in line when it counts who cares what they think, she has her bullshit and you have yours.
I am not trying to be mean but isn't this the same mindset a lot of SJWs have? "I will never go out with person X because they believe Y".

[Anonymous No.12158481]

>>12158460
I see your point anon but I’m not sure if you’re out here in this dating pool. I’m more than willing to accept a difference of opinion but their opinions are so histrionic and aggressive they refuse to love me as a human being. I mean my standards have never been so low ever before. I’ll even date a Christian. I really just want to be accepted and loved as a person and have my points heard , not necessarily agreed with. I haven’t bathed in that love for many years. It’s true that they’ve turned on men,

I know there are good women out there and I’m not some incel. But this propaganda has crept and embedded itself so deep into society it’s disturbing. My best female friend who I’ve known for years was joking about how she hates whites as if that’s normal. I got fucking pissed. I’m just sick of all this hateful shit.

[Anonymous No.12158556]

this man is a cryptoaccelerationist

[Anonymous No.12159332]

>>12156378
>tfw you will never borrow Uncle Nick's Jungle records for a party

[Anonymous No.12159342]

>>12158404
cringe

[Anonymous No.12159345]

>>12158268
>predictive
sorcerous*

[Anonymous No.12159349]

>>12158556
this man is
wrong about almost everything

[Anonymous No.12159353]

>>12158272
he said nothing about it being limited to politics
he's reeing about normies

[Anonymous No.12159402]

>>12158404
>>12158481
>But they believe in a sky man
desu it sounds like jesus could help you out a bit
what's your hangup with 'sky man'? it's not like a ?/acc art girl believes anything less repulsive to 'common sense'

[Anonymous No.12159457]

>>12159402
>what's your hangup with 'sky man'
monkey business

[Anonymous No.12159504]

>>12148047
he looks like he's in the matrix

[Anonymous No.12159534]

>>12159402
>>12159457
This is precisely my point. It’s ALL bad. When you grow up and realize you’ll never have an emotional relationship to a human female again it’ll make you pine for simpler youthful times of love.

How the actual fuck can I explain the bell curve, my interest in truly fucked individuals like Jim Goad, the fact that I recognize twitter nihilism as weak but I’m too weak to find any alternative myself, that there’s truly no god, that I’ve made huge mistakes in life.

Everything about me is too complicated and at times frankly smart for women. And it hurts not because I hate women but because I love them and want to be loved by them.

It’s truly a battle to not feel serious resentment, which is only another dead end part, like all of them.

[Anonymous No.12160501]

>>12141150
Decentralization is inevitable let's just get to it

[Anonymous No.12160504]

>>12159349
anti-Semite

[Anonymous No.12160578]

Imagine being stuck with a philosophy teacher that hates Land.

[Anonymous No.12160597]

>>12160578
>tolerates Peterson
>no tolerance for Land

[Anonymous No.12160638]

>>12160578
“I really can”

[Anonymous No.12160766]

>>12160578
this is "cringe" and "bluepilled"

[Anonymous No.12160796]

>>12141150
The philosophy is simple. Kill women, smash their head with a crowbar till their faces are an incorrigible mess, rape them brutally, tear their nipples off, bite their buttocks extremely hard, insert syringes inside their snatch

[Anonymous No.12160800]

>>12160578
HAHA A NIGGER TEACHING PHILOSOPHY!!!
So this is the power of the BBC? ahaha

[Anonymous No.12160830]

>>12147739
underrated

[Anonymous No.12160845]

>>12141150
why is everyone in here saying to "accept" the acceleration? if the only way of preserving our free will is deceleration then why not take up arms and destroy the current system? or, at least, abandon it?

[Anonymous No.12160854]

>>12147739
based

[Anonymous No.12160923]

>>12160845
Hi, Ted!

[Anonymous No.12160938]

>>12148047
I wish I could fuck off to China or Japan ;_;

but i'm low iq neet 27 years old with no prospects in life, never had a job nor education..

[Anonymous No.12160958]

>>12160845
by engaging in any productive activity efficiently, you're accepting/participating in acceleration in practice
by the time you've theoretically grasped any notion of what's going on, to be able to fight it, it's already moved on, it's too late
any deceleration has been based in praxis also - anything less than full blown vargpilled kaczynskism is futile
and even then look what happened to ted - you've no power to effect change. the only real major entity with any agency, against capitalism, would be the largely ineffective human security system, far too timid to put a dent in the side of the Thing now emerging

[Anonymous No.12160962]

>>12160958
any deceleration has to be based**

[Anonymous No.12161039]

>>12160958
That's just what the system wants to think.

[Anonymous No.12161065]

Honestly the sci-fi predictions underlying extreme accelerationist thought won't come to pass anyways.

AI will never actually be 'intelligent' in the sense of an actually self-aware subjectivity with its own will. It's just dumb but complex algorithms spewing out what we put into it. There will be no Skynet event, so people need not worry about it nor embrace it.

But there's also the idea of capitalism as a kind of intelligent self-improving symbiosis of economics and technology... sure, everything is kind of like this, but without the system achieving actual consciousness-like awareness and intelligence beyond mere lifeless morphological drive that anything has, it will always be somewhat in check or answerable to humans, who still have that edge on it. Sure, computers can make bigger calculations, but not on their own motivations. So even if the capitalist machine gets destructive - and it is - much more as an ecological problem - then at some point humans out of pure necessity can and will make adjustments and there will be no conscious AI to stop it. That doesn't mean global warming will be fixed, or the environment saved, or the matter/problem of capitalism solved, but AI in a literal sense won't be a problem.

[Anonymous No.12161081]

>>12161065
>Honestly the sci-fi predictions underlying extreme accelerationist thought won't come to pass anyways.
>
>AI will never actually be 'intelligent' in the sense of an actually self-aware subjectivity with its own will. It's just dumb but complex algorithms spewing out what we put into it. There will be no Skynet event, so people need not worry about it nor embrace it.


This is exactly what someone send from the future to protect Skynet's birth in the past would say.

[Anonymous No.12161086]

>>12161065
>AI will never actually be 'intelligent' in the sense of an actually self-aware subjectivity with its own will. It's just dumb but complex algorithms spewing out what we put into it
gthe sci-fi scenario is literally this but we remove ourself as a source of input. you dont need subjectivity to parse data.

[Anonymous No.12161094]

>>12161065
>AI will never actually be 'intelligent' in the sense of an actually self-aware subjectivity with its own will.

Land never argues that this is what AI is. He actually, somewhere on Xenosystems (I can't remember exact post), says that subjectivity, consciousness, etc may be holding intelligence back and are just random permutations of evolution that we have romanticized. This is because his definition of intelligence is "competence at winning games", and if dumb algorithms can out-compete humans with all their subjectivity and rich inner-life, then those things will be jettisoned too.

Land says "nothing human makes it out of the future alive". He doesn't just mean flesh and bone.

[Anonymous No.12161131]

>>12161094
that's because if you cant win you fucking die
its hardcore evolutionism

[Anonymous No.12161152]

>>12161065
>AI will never actually be 'intelligent' in the sense of an actually self-aware subjectivity with its own will. It's just dumb but complex algorithms spewing out what we put into it
Dude you severely underestimate what AI is currently capable of. The advancements in AI over the last couple years alone is extraordinary and in another 15 years the world will not be the same.

[Anonymous No.12161187]

>>12161152
There are advancements but it's still dumb algorithms, just really complex ones. It's more like senseless slime-mold 'intelligence', it can make a lot of connections and patterns but it's doing it blindly and senselessly, a dumb process just crawling along by the logic it was given. What's missing is consciousness, which we're not remotely close to understanding let along producing or simulating. And that's the element which would be the real problem.

[Anonymous No.12161196]

>>12161187
You are starting from the unfounded assumption that consciousness is inherent to intelligence

[Anonymous No.12161203]

>>12161094
I'm aware of that, and I know he speaks more of this 'intelligent' in the quality of a system or entity that self-organizes by its productive logic, which I agree with, and what I was referring to in the second paragraph there (and it's a logic that a lot of things have to some degree, if not as radically productive as capitalism).

It's more my contention that without consciousness though this will have limitations. Especially if conscious humans are hypothetically out-of-the-picuture; the intensives / prompts to keep moving/producing would start to break down / reach gridlock / exhaust themselves and there wouldn't be a creative intelligence or motivation to work around this. Resources and feul of course would be burnt out as well.

[Anonymous No.12161208]

>>12141150
Go to his twitter and call him a boomer

[Anonymous No.12161212]

>>12161203
>the intensives / prompts to keep moving/producing would start to break down / reach gridlock / exhaust themselves
>t. anon who has never programmed before

[Anonymous No.12161213]

>>12161187
AI is about on the level of hunting spiders now, it's actually on the animal scale in terms of power to problem solve and identify things.

[Anonymous No.12161221]

>>12161196
I was suggesting in that post that there are certain dumb processes that seem to get intelligent-like results, more to do with a general morphogenesis in reality itself, but there is a degree of abstraction and advancement when we get into virtuality / ideas / symbolic exchange / technology / memetics that requires a conscious intelligence to catalyze and extend this creativity into that level of abstraction that dumb biomechanical processes wouldn't have the thinking capacity to even touch on, and to the extent that information does get carried through or inform dumb materials, it's only because intelligent animals are directing this.

[Anonymous No.12161230]

>>12161212
It wouldn't be all code though is the thing, there are too many complexly intermeshed material factors which are more unweildy and ultimately temporal

[Anonymous No.12161238]

>>12161221
says who? there is no control group here, we don't know what neural networks will be capable of in 10 years let alone the end of the century. assuming there is some subjective key to our productive success is nothing but anthropocentrism.

[Anonymous No.12161256]

>>12161230
material repair, construction, and even experimentation are well within the realm of robotics today. it's not hard to imagine something which can maintain itself better than we can. in fact, our judgements are more and more guided by computer models and algorithms we built, because in specific application they are already far more adept at such things.

[Anonymous No.12161284]

>>12161238
I'm well aware of the anthropocentrism argument and agree to an extent on some of the points, but to the extent that it waves away the weird mystery and next-level productive capacity of consciousness I think it's short-sighted. Not to say 'humans are the center of the universe' or that there aren't insanely trippy possibilities and modes of reality and productivity beyond our imagining, I will give you that, but I would say actually that our consciousness is the key to our success and none of these technologies would exist without our consciously shaping them due to our mental capacity to transmit complex memes. Technology or economic systems, that we created, may have some kind of dumb intelligence eventually capable of things we never imagined someday, way beyond our capacities, but I still wouldn't give it much more credit than I'd give a well-built toaster or calculator. Like, a couple machines might still be humming when humans have all been killed off by environmental catastrophe, but that would only be due to some 'evolutionary superiority' of their robust materials keeping it stupidly buzzing along for a few more centuries. It would unlikely be functioning, advancing, or adapting in any substantial way, if at all, probably meeting its own material-ecological challenges it wouldn't have the intelligence to think around, and would essentially be existentially hitting a wall over and over in perpetuity.

[Anonymous No.12161300]

>>12161203
>the *incentives / prompts

[Anonymous No.12161303]

>>12161065
>but without the system achieving actual consciousness-like awareness and intelligence
you'd have no idea if 'capitalism' is conscious even right now (as if it really matters), our attempts at comprehending emergent phenomena at that level is like an insect trying to do the same for a human
>somewhat in check or answerable to humans
in what way is global capitalism in check even now? I guess you might argue the few humans with the available resources could one day decide to play global thermonuclear war just for the sake of halting technological progress, but otherwise there's no way any agent has a handle on this thing
the whole idea is that civilization is a bootloader, and at the inception of modernity, humanity is already completely captured
the imperative to consume, for technological progress, for liberty and recently to decentralize, etc. are induced cybernetically - whatever (darwinian) successes are fed forward are fed back through culture at increasing intensity
any attempt at widespread counter-action has to fight these forces - you'd disseminate anti-consumerist disposition at such a massive rate to flip the positive feedback the other way that it's basically impossible

[Anonymous No.12161315]

>>12161303
>in what way is global capitalism in check even now?
This did cross my mind of course. That's more that we don't want to stop it because our own self-interest/desire (and on a collective level) is a factor keeping it going. But if we actually were forced to stop the system as a matter of survival, we could, in theory, and there isn't some ai-like Skynet entity that would hold a gun to our head to stop us.

[Anonymous No.12161321]

Define 'consciousness' first.

Lets move further after that

[Anonymous No.12161334]

>>12161284
>It would unlikely be functioning, advancing, or adapting in any substantial way
If we all died today, yes. do you really think we have hit any sort of technical limit though? everything in tech is pointing towards self-sustaining systems, not to mention everything in neurophysiology is pointing away from consciousness as a whole; as crazy as Dennett may sound, he's the philosopher of mind who takes scientific discovery at it's most literal. if we are just a complex set of neurological processes, we can literally just build a brain one day.

[Anonymous No.12161335]

>>12161321
That's the thing, it's some ineffable thing we have and use and yet have no idea how to understand or locate it. Mystical views have their take and frankly science isn't anywhere near providing its own explanation.

I think a lot of hyper-rationalists would like to demean consciousness because it potentially comes across as too vital and woo-woo, but maybe it fucking is? Maybe reality is actually that strange?

[Anonymous No.12161345]

>>12161335
nah imma feel we just trapped in language

[Anonymous No.12161366]

>>12161345
Who knows.

[Anonymous No.12161370]

>>12160578
shameless

[Anonymous No.12161420]

>>12161315
>we could, in theory
but we won't
it's more like we're hold the gun to our own head with a cybertronic arm being hacked from something elsewhere

[Anonymous No.12161427]

>>12161221
>but there is a degree of abstraction and advancement when we get into virtuality / ideas / symbolic exchange / technology / memetics that requires a conscious intelligence to catalyze and extend this creativity into that level of abstraction that dumb biomechanical processes wouldn't have the thinking capacity to even touch on
>level of abstraction that dumb biomechanical processes wouldn't have the thinking capacity to even touch on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyDBYJ8a-0w

[Anonymous No.12161496]

Is he alright?

[Anonymous No.12161522]

>>12161496
Someone called him a boomer one too many times and he slipped

[Anonymous No.12161543]

>>12161496
based

[Anonymous No.12161639]

>>12161496
is this real?

[Anonymous No.12161645]

Accelerationism is the only acceptable form of reactionarianism

[Anonymous No.12161798]

>>12161645
what about the form of neoreaction where FUCK NIGGERS AND FUCK JANITORS

[Anonymous No.12161817]

>>12152963
Because when you actually try to write philosophy, you want to say something as specifically as possible to make the argument you're making specific so that what you're saying doesn't imply more than you mean to imply. Look at Kant. He would be very difficult to interpret if it weren't for that crystal clarity.
Since academics don't imagine a popular audience for their works most of the time, they write for the academic audience, so all the big boy terms are just professional shorthand.

[Anonymous No.12162735]

>>12161817
They write their insane mumbo jumbo because it has no releveance, no audience, outside of adacemic circles.

Look at STEM, like engineering for example, you can't write out mining processes and practices in 'deep phallus penetrates the earth as the man melds into the machine-time' language, lmao, you have to write it crystal clear clarity because it actually describes reality and works with it.

liberal arts is equal to iq destruction is equal to decay in edu

[Anonymous No.12162895]

>>12162735
>muh sokal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdanov_affair

[Anonymous No.12162917]

>>12162895
And no, it's not just Sokal. It's all liberal arts education.

[Anonymous No.12163170]

has somebody been following the latest Nick Land boomer rant? what went wrong? when did he stop accelerating and got stagnated in boomerism?

[Anonymous No.12163171]

>>12161496
>>12161522
>>12161543
>>12163170

[Anonymous No.12163200]

>>12162735
I won't defend liberal arts' place in academia
but you clearly aren't stem either
stem journal papers have "no releveance, no audience, outside of adacemic circles", except the closely related industrial circles
arguably many more people read philosophy books and papers for fun than people who read stem research for fun, given the average person without a lab or industrial equipment can't put a large proportion of it into any practice
clarity in stem requires the use of terms with very specific application which appear meaningless or without proper connotation to those without education in the field, as if arxiv.org/abs/1611.01428 is more decipherable to the layperson than a few 3 syllable words usually parsable from context, or at least in a referenced paper. obviously they both require background

[Anonymous No.12163244]

>>12153821
Was actually thinking this too.

[Anonymous No.12163260]

>>12153821
>>12153980
>>12154030
i don't like her music but she seems redpilled

[Anonymous No.12163421]

>>12158075
Your wife is just a means to please Tyrone and Chad, isn’t she, cuck

[Anonymous No.12163458]

>>12158361
>>12158344
Where to find qt art girls? Everyone in my art department is fat with dyed hair.

[Anonymous No.12163473]

>>12161496
Hes wrong though. The boomer isnt someone who opposes progressives but in stead acts as the good goy who makes a token resistance against it and then will capitulate entirely to it and tell other dissenters that they should stick to the high ground and not become who they oppose even if it means they lose.

[Anonymous No.12163486]

>>12163473
boomerism is subtle and can't be capture by a simple explanation, specially since 30yo boomers came into the table

[Anonymous No.12163531]

>>12163458
You want to look not in to the art department itself but, rather, the various showings, talks, presentations that it or people involved in it put on, promote, or attend. You start ingratiating yourself in to that scene and you will have a qt arthoe with an asymmetrical haircut who calls herself both a girl and nonbinary so she can still feel woke and edgy despite only ever engaging in heterosexual relationships with cis-males and acting feminine.

[Anonymous No.12163535]

TL;DR accelerationism is angsty twenty-somethings trying to justify their anti-capitalism without having to do anything about it or give up their cushy first-world lives

[Anonymous No.12163555]

>>12163535
i guess, except for all right-acc people

[Anonymous No.12163560]

>>12153359
Democracy is part of the human security system which slows down the process of acceleration towards the singularity.

Also, disdain for proles re:
> Predisposed, in any case, to perceive the politically awakened masses as a howling irrational mob, it conceives the dynamics of democratization as fundamentally degenerative: systematically consolidating and exacerbating private vices, resentments, and deficiencies until they reach the level of collective criminality and comprehensive social corruption.
Nick Land, Dark Enlightenment

[Anonymous No.12163587]

>>12161187
>What's missing is consciousness, which we're not remotely close to understanding let along producing or simulating
The exact problem. We may stumble upon or trigger such a condition without realizing it.
https://youtu.be/IdRdkR9tUa4?t=96

[Anonymous No.12163592]

>>12141150
>dude be a degenerate to stop degeneration

Its shit that makes you feel morally superior for being a super normie.

[Anonymous No.12163609]

>>12163587
puppetmaster has nice puppies

[Anonymous No.12163619]

>>12163587
>even if you have a ghost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCFwY6ISEMs

[Anonymous No.12163621]

>>12163592
>stop degeneration

[Anonymous No.12163713]

As usual for /lit/, everyone in the thread thus far is completely fucking wrong.
Accelerationism at its core and most essential is the idea that trauma causes sentience.
It's hilarious you guys think of yourselves as "patricians."
I could main this shit board in my sleep.

[Anonymous No.12163714]

Capitalism is territorializing the accelerationist aesthetic. How exciting and horrifying.

[Anonymous No.12163717]

What's the current deal with this guy? Did he give it all up and just embrace boring neoreactionary crap like blaming migrants or something?

[Anonymous No.12163719]

>>12163713
traumas are a spook

[Anonymous No.12163750]

>>12163717
Simplest answer is that techno-capital singularity, from the R/Acc perspective isn't a given but rather a telos that can be disrupted. Land also has this thing about intelligence maximization being the only goal that makes sense as intelligence = competence at games = dominance. Swarming functional societies with low IQ migrants is counter-productive to these ends, but so too is the ethno-nationalist exclusion of highly intelligent foreigners simply because of muh blood and soil. In fact migration is a necessity for Land's stated goal (look in to cities as IQ shredders) he just laments humanitarian migration policies as damaging and looks to Singapore's crypto-eugenic immigration policies as a sensible working alternative.

[Anonymous No.12163758]

>>12163750
>from the R/Acc perspective isn't a given but rather a telos that can be disrupted
This didn't used to be true until Moldbug NRx types discovered Land and started calling themselves R/ACC.

What old R/ACC used to be is now called U/ACC

[Anonymous No.12163805]

>>12141150
Speed. Lots and lots of speed up your nose.

[Anonymous No.12163818]

>>12163758
I would not be so sure of that, although it is tricky to untangle the various accelerationist timelines and genealogies at this point. I am pretty sure that, in the universe I am from (before the merger), Land was the one who crossed the streams with Moldbug, starting with A Republic If You Can Keep it, and then the Dark Enlightenment essays. R/Acc only came in to existence to differentiate itself from L/Acc but by that time Land was already fully in his current phase, so there really isn't an old R/Acc (as the new R/Acc came first and projected the old version of itself backward), only people who confuse the analysis for the prescription. U/Acc has a falsified history too, claiming to be a restoration of the original message cleansed of pernicious outside influences, but much like Protestantism, which attempted the same, only became something else entirely.

Of course all of these are named after a pejorative advanced , if not coined, by Noys, who misunderstood what people were talking about anyway.

[Anonymous No.12163850]

>>12143716
Acclerationism is not about bringing down Capitalism.

[Anonymous No.12163868]

>>12163850

[Anonymous No.12163874]

>>12163868
the point is nothing is brought down, just transformed as it grows

[Anonymous No.12163924]

>>12161496
I actually think he might have come into contact with the new 4chan concept of boomer from his autistic followers and not realised it

[Anonymous No.12163929]

>>12156366
He has written two.

[Anonymous No.12163966]

>>12161496
This is what a boomer struggling to remain relevant with zoomer culture looks like

[Anonymous No.12164035]

Fuck the gays

[Anonymous No.12164057]

>>12153338
even I get it and I'm a fucking pseud

[Anonymous No.12164064]

>>12163619
love it

[Anonymous No.12164172]

>>12163924
yeah, the concept of boomer has accelerated past him and he hasn't realized it yet

[Anonymous No.12164396]

>>12163713
you're one of the most wrong here
acc doesn't give a fuck about sentience

[Anonymous No.12164490]

IS HE ALRIGHT?

[Anonymous No.12164495]

>>12164490
He's right you know

[Anonymous No.12164497]

>>12164495
I have too low of an IQ to understand even 1/3 third of what he and his epic NRx meme gang writes ;_;

I want to be biodiesel ;_;

[Anonymous No.12164693]

What the hell is the "Outside"

[Anonymous No.12164698]

>>12164693
If you have to ask you will never know

[Anonymous No.12164699]

>>12164693
noumena

[Anonymous No.12164720]

>>12147746
wtf does this even mean?

[Anonymous No.12164729]

>>12164693
non-dialectics.

AI overlord doesn't need your epistemololgy, ontololgy, your reasons and your consciousness.

[Anonymous No.12165692]

>>12163555
The left-right distinction is a false one, but even so, anti-capitalism doesn't have to be left-wing.

[Anonymous No.12165982]

>>12163560
Mob rule would've produced better outcomes in 20th century America than rule by the intellectual elite though. The biggest blunders (entry into WW1 and WW2, 1965 immigration act, various woke judicial proclamations) would've been avoided since no one would vote for them.

I think it's a bit bizarre to include Land with Reactionaries as he is an extreme liberal.

[Anonymous No.12166006]

>>12163868
Yes but that is still capitalism for the sake of capitalism. Disruption and destruction are just a part of it. That aspect isn't something posited from a place of anti-capitalist antagonism, it's already a innate feature. And those that might recognize and maybe embrace that aspect in this case are not actually coming from a left-Marxist motivation but actually just going with it, period.

I said it either in this thread or another, but left accelerationism was discussed very briefly and has completely disappeared because it was realized as completely missing the point by trying to force humanistic intentions into the dynamic.

[Anonymous No.12166015]

>>12163458
>Where to find qt art girls?
Be a qt art boy, as in an actually good artist.

I just fucked one of these art girls last night, and every girl I've dated over the last 6 years has been an artist. It's just artists hanging out with each other, from what I've seen. It's not like people outside that culture can really relate to them.

[Anonymous No.12166057]

>>12164693
>given to an intuition, although not to sensible intuition
Perhaps this can also explain modernity as an occult locus, the intuition isn't simply an intuition to a non-sense -- but to nonsense, in all its Wittgensteinian negativity. Croaking Artaud poetry from the asylum of social conventions, the Outside plays with our desire for the bizzare, the unintelligable; Lovecraft and Shoggothic insurgency put on superheated cybernetic critique and fed back into itself to a zero point of K, or the extant collapse of intensities dragged across the body without organs.

[Anonymous No.12166109]

>>12163535
I agree that accelerationism is a form of justification used to make you live with both sides.
But why would any other potentially effective anti-capitalist stance even require to give up my first-world life?
And also, if you're supporting accelerationism, you can't be lazy either. There's work to do to enable capital.

[Anonymous No.12167709]

>>12165982
>since no one would vote for them.
I don't agree, angry mobs have been known to do the craziest shit imaginable.

[Anonymous No.12167713]

>>12165982
>I think it's a bit bizarre to include Land with Reactionaries as he is an extreme liberal.
oh it's the same with JP, disagree with him all you like, but calling him a Nazi is the pinnacle of delusion. It's just the time we're in.

[Anonymous No.12167815]

I wish MM would come back.

[Anonymous No.12167902]

>>12157676
>It states that there is no possible way we can make capital serve us anymore
It never served us to begin with. To quote from the Mahabharata
>Bhisma to Yudhisthira: "A man is a slave to wealth, but wealth is nobody's slave. O King, this is the truth."
>>12160958
>any deceleration has been based in praxis also - anything less than full blown vargpilled kaczynskism is futile
One or two domestic terrorists ain't going to do shit to the state. One unabomber won't cause mass panic, but a hundred, or maybe even ten unabombers spread throughout the United States will.

[creepers No.12168448]

>>12157676
Thanks, can you give some resources or more elaborations on when left-, right- and unconditional- acc was started and what it's (short?) history is so far?

[creepers No.12168817]

>>12166015
What is a "good artist" more than a good looking guy who's dominant enough to shill his own stuff?

[Anonymous No.12169250]

>capitalism is bad for people but good for progress
>progress is good for people and bad for capitalism?