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Is God real?

>> No.12137798

Yes.

>> No.12137810

>>12137793
im like bitch who is your mans
can't keep my dick in my pants
my bitch don't love me no mo
she kicked me out im like vro
that bitch dont wanna be friends
I gave her dick she got mad
she put her tongue on my dick
look at my wrist about 10

>> No.12137814

Does it matter? No.

Think about it this way: if you were to have 200,000 dollars, your life would change drastically. If you were to not have those 200,000 dollars, that too would change your life.

Now let's take god. Let's say I believe he exists. Hmm, okay, nothing changes. People still get cancer, people still get murdered, you yourself derive no effectual benefit whatsoever. Aleoght, now let's say he doesn't exost. Hmm wow, nothing changes. Amazing.

So, even if god were to exist, he does not good in this life, which is the same as saying he doesn't exist. Being attractive effects life. Money effects life. Good health effects life. But god does not.

>> No.12137822

>>12137814
I remain unrepentant about the spelling mistypes

>> No.12137829

Nah

>> No.12137838

>>12137793
if god is real, he has a lot to answer for.

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>>12137814
>Aleoght

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>>12137814
embarassing post

>> No.12137859

>>12137838
You mean we have a lot to answer for.

>> No.12137860

>>12137838
god technically is real but it not relates to humanity. people, who are going to affect to "god" through religion has no visible success during thousands years.

>> No.12137989

Even if he isn't, he is.

>> No.12137996
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>>12137793

>> No.12138000

>>12137793
Obviously not.

There's literally zero justifiable reason to believe in any kind of deity in 2018, other than maybe wishful thinking.

>> No.12138005

>>12137859
Why do we assign less responsibility to God than we do a sleep-deprived mother who leaves her toddler in a hot van - for that is exactly what God is: careless

>> No.12138010

>>12137996
question: still unanswered

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>> No.12138014
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how will we know if Dawkins is burning in hell or not?

>> No.12138020

>>12137793
Not yet, anon.

>> No.12138024

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyYPPTcoCiU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w35krx_WQZs

>inb4 hurrdur Dawkins
you guys make him a meme because you can't refute him

>> No.12138027

>>12137996
I was raised religiously and it never made any sense to me even from a young age. By the time I reached adulthood I just stopped pretending to believe in it. I think people who believe in god and religions are just extremely credible people by birth and go through life never questioning anything.

>> No.12138028

>>12137793
define "god", "real", and "is"

>> No.12138029
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12138029

Yes. On the premise that this is the only universe that we know to exist, it is absurd to believe that all of creation from the intricacies of the laws of physics made from the Big Bang onwards is the result of sheer happenstance

There is, of course, never going to be physical proof of God, and people can always just disagree with whatever logical proofs one side makes over the other, so the whole thing is moot, and can only be answered at the end

>> No.12138033

>>12137814
>aleoght
>he doesn't exost
For some reason I really enjoyed reading this

>> No.12138037

>>12137814
Belief in God inspires morally righteous behavior, consolation of sadness, and countless other benefits including everlasting life.

>> No.12138039

>>12138005
Except you’re given the choice to step out of the van. Hell has its purpose just as Heaven does. The universe was created by God, for God, not for us.

>> No.12138047

>>12137793
>a purposeful, intelligent entity created the universe
I can accept that.
>said entity established these exact set of rules you must follow to enter another separate universe that this entity also created that will house your eternal soul.
You've lost me.

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>>12138029
'people can always just disagree with whatever logical proofs'

>Yeah, totally man, like, you're definitely right. Wow I didnt realize there's two kinds of logic!

Uh, yeah nah, there isn't 'your logic' or 'my logic' there's just logic, so nice try skydaddy brainlet, maybe actually do some reading besides your Bible

>> No.12138055

>>12138039
>If you don't want to play this sick game that's ok, just step right into this fire where you'll be tortured forever

Glad to see you've finally dropped the pretense of God being "loving" (in anyway understandable to humans)

>> No.12138060

>>12138037
>and countless other benefits including everlasting life.
Why? Why must an afterlife for humans be a condition of a god?

>> No.12138063

>>12138050
It’s possible to see a thing as illogical, only to later think that it is actually logical. Doesn’t this worry you?

>> No.12138072

>>12138029
How did this deity then come into existence if not by happenstance?

>> No.12138073

>>12138037
Everlasting life is not inherently desirable

>> No.12138075

>>12138055
Yeah, if God’s whole purpose were to “love” his creations then we’d probably all be angels. You can’t always comprehend God’s reasons for this or that. But you’re given a path to salvation. Why ignore it?

>> No.12138080

GOD EXISTS.
AND HE ISNT INTERESTED IN US UNTIL WE BECOME INTERESTED IN HIM. IN HIM, EXCLUSIVELY. EX-CLU-SIVE-LY
24/HOURS A DAY, YOUR HEARTS AND MINDS FILLED ONLY WITH GOD.
THERE'S NO ROOM FOR ANYTHING ELSE. NO ROOM FOR FREE WILL! NO ROOM FOR LIBERTY! NO ROOM FOR EMANCIPATION!

>> No.12138089

>>12138080
FREE YOURSELF FROM GOD IVE HEARD PEOPLE SAY, LIBERATE YOURSELF FROM GOD. BUT THE PAIN OF LIBERATION IS ALMOST UNBEARABLE, SHARP ENOUGH TO KILL. WITHOUT GOD, YOU'RE AS GOOD AS DEAD.... DEAD.... ABANDONED STRAYS WONDERING THE STREETS

>> No.12138091

>>12138075
>Why ignore it?
Why ignore the poo who handed you a pamphlet on Krishna worship? You can't be sure what he's telling you isn't just archaic gobbledygook.

>> No.12138092

>>12137793
a god from any organized religion such as christcuckery or Islam? no
a god like spinoza's god or whitehead's god? maybe

>> No.12138105

>>12138091
I only deal with monotheism and religions that come directly from God. Islam is disqualified for many reasons, including its prophet, who performed no miracles, and killed and looted, and its afterlife, which promises sexual pleasures. The religion is more political than it is spiritual.

There is no religion as perfect as Christianity. Read Pascal.

>> No.12138107

>>12137793
If there is no god and life is a blip in an infinity of nothingness then why is it worth living. Without God nothing matters and all pain and all happiness you have experienced will be completely irrelevant when you die. There's no point in helping anyone or even seeking happiness for yourself and suicide would be equally worthless. Without an afterlife there could be no possible point to the life we live now.

>> No.12138112

>>12138105
Papists aren't monotheists. All Trinitarianism is paganism. Read Newton

>> No.12138114

>>12138105
>unironically citing Pascal
Yikers.

>> No.12138115

>>12137793
Is the thing in itself real?

>> No.12138118

>>12138105
>I only deal with monotheism and religions that come directly from God
So somehow Christianity got it right as opposed to the many religions that predate it? Specifically hinduism and buddhism.

>> No.12138135

>>12138050
Logic is the worst meme.

>> No.12138142

>>12138118
Christianity was built on Judaism
>>12138114
>t. never read Pascal

>> No.12138144
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>>12138050
>there isn't 'your logic' or 'my logic' there's just logic
You do realize there's different types of logical forms, right? I can just as much have a logic that disagrees with your logic

>>12138072
If such a being exists as such that they are able to create the universe where upon time and space are both properties of the universe, it must dictate that this being can transcend time and space in order to do such a thing. We can say they are properties of this universe, and not a trans-dimensional constant being acted on top of, by the fact that both things are distorted by matter, which lies within this universe. If it transcends concepts such as time, we can say that it has no start nor an end. If it transcends space, upon which all material things for which can things can be created exist, then we can say it did not require anything to be created. If it has no start nor end, and does not require something to have created it, then we can say that it had no creator, and that it always was and will be

>> No.12138162

>>12138107
>>12138107
Yes and? Its like you didnt finish you coon

>> No.12138170

>>12137793
Yes, but that is a depiction of Jupiter/YHWH, not of God.

>> No.12138172

>>12138107
>despising the world in front of you in the vain hope you will be granted another

>> No.12138198

>>12138144
If this is an entity that does not conform to something so fundamental to our existence as time it seems rather fruitless to analyze it with any logic of which we're familiar.

>> No.12138210

>>12138162
>>12138172
Well belief in God and an afterlife is the only way to escape the futility and gives you reason to live a life of purpose and happiness that can't be found logically elsewhere.

>> No.12138220

>>12138198
While this is true, that logic must necessarily falter in the face of such flagrant disregard for fundamental concepts, so to can the idea that the creator needs a creator of its own.

>> No.12138225

>>12138210
What futility?

>> No.12138402

god is noumena

>> No.12138413

>>12138073
not in the literal vampiric sense

>> No.12138504

>>12138027
Some of the most intelligent philosophers to ever exist were religious, and these people question everything by their very nature.

>> No.12138712

>>12138027
>I think people who believe in god and religions are just extremely credible people by birth and go through life never questioning anything.

what about converts?

>> No.12138715

>>12137798
fpbp

>> No.12138717

>>12137798
fpbp

>>12137793
Yes. Analytic philosophy proved this already.

>> No.12138775

>>>/his/

>> No.12138788

>>12137814
>nothing changes
literally the difference between eternal suffering and oblivion

>> No.12138808

1: God is omnipotent.
2: If god is omnipotent, then god can create a challenge god can't compete, if not then god isn't omnipotent, if god can, then god isn't omnipotent.
3: If god is omnipotent, then god isn't omnipotent.

Therefor belif in an omnipotent god entails a logical contradiction, and if you admit a logical contradiction then you enter into a logical explosion and all propositions are true.

>> No.12138838

Nobody knows and nobody ever knew during the course of world history (there were those who “knew for sure”, but that was a particularity of their brains, not a reality).

You had several people who claimed that they saw or spoke with God, but in the it was always a case of either: a) bad faith for obtaining power, influence, approval, money, etc.; b) a well-intentioned tool to try to improve the world (and the use of a God-like figure is a great way of gaining validation for your cause) and c) altered states of consciousness, either by the use of drugs, or because of organic illnesses (like schizophrenia), or trauma, etc.

If you think about it, when we trace all the way back to the origin of the Universe, you either get the problem of something arising from nothing or something that has always existed. Both options are currently unexplainable. Yet who knows? Someday in the future it might me proved mathematically that mater and space and time might arise from complete nothingness, and then we are really going to have fundaments to start dealing with the palpable possibility that God doesn’t exist.

Up to this point, however, God is still possible, but no human being has ever seen it, heard it and describe it.

>> No.12138854

>>12138808
God can but being omnipotent God does not. Since its fucking stupid.

>> No.12138863

>>12137814
>nothing changes
please read the new testament while keeping in mind what it would mean if it was the truth.

>> No.12138887

I hope he is, so we can fight and finally kill him.

>> No.12138904

A god I am.

>> No.12138923

>>12138225
see>>12138107