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[Anonymous No.12119633]

>"But I am aware of some that murmur: What, say they, if all men should abstain from all sexual intercourse,whence will the human race exist? Would that all would this, only in 'charity out of a pure heart, and good conscience, and faith unfeigned'; much more speedily would the City of God be filled, and the end of the world hastened."
-Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers: First Series, Volume III St. Augustine: On the Holy Trinity, Doctrinal Treatises, Moral Treatises

Really makes you think...

[Anonymous No.12119647]

>>12119633
Chaste and breadpilled, my friend.

[Anonymous No.12119669]

>>12119633
I agree with this unironically. The fact that the modern Protestant church has become a dating service and Christianity as a whole has become a strict defender of the family only goes to show that it cares little about self-denial and the metaphysical. That isn't to say that sex is bad; it's actually beautiful under the right circumstances. However, the unfortunate truth that chastity isn't held above, as a higher calling than the family, is proof that Christianity has been perverted.

[Anonymous No.12119678]

>>12119633
>And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it.

[Anonymous No.12119730]

>>12119678
1 Corinthians 7
>Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

>To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am. But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

[Anonymous No.12119750]

"Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind."

[Anonymous No.12119782]

>>12119669
>the unfortunate truth that chastity isn't held above, as a higher calling than the family, is proof that Christianity has been perverted
This is not the case in Catholicism

[Anonymous No.12119849]

>>12119750
Christian asceticism, and moderate/chaste sexual attitudes stem mostly from platonic, neoplatonic neopythagorean, and stoic influences, that also strongly shaped the Roman family. Aceticism is the ultimate ideal for mankind; whereas, indulgence of base passions and appetites removes the only thing that separates us from animals. Thus the decadence of Nero is what is the true hatred of being human, something that says you must distract yourself and pretend it's an act of control or "being human" than admit the reality that these pleasures are vain and hollow and they do not satisfy the existential thirst and desire to exert agency over ourselves.

[Anonymous No.12120011]

>>12119849
lol do you have that pic where the philosophers are disagreeing about which sex is the hottest?

[Anonymous No.12120034]

>>12120011
No

[Anonymous No.12120057]

>>12119730
shhh shhh.
The protestants think that the entire bible has to be obeyed to the letter and all.the commands in it upheld, because to think of it as some sort of progression or development would just be silly!

[Anonymous No.12120067]

>>12119678
>not realizing that the fruitful relationship between Christ and his Church, producing new spiritual children through Baptism, has replaced the Old Covenant institution of marriage

[Anonymous No.12120089]

>>12119678
>takes it literally as if it was meant for him
>doesn't connect the dots to what led up to it
>stops reading the rest of the Bible
Protestantism in a nut shell.

[Anonymous No.12120116]

Good quote, OP.

What a beautiful thing it would be if tomorrow the world stopped thinking about how it could best defile itself and instead allowed this whole charade to come to an end.

[Anonymous No.12120126]

>>12119633
>implying Scripture does not explicitly state that God cursed mankind to disobedience
>implying that no one is called to the sacrament of marriage
Auggie was a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.12120128]

>>12119633
>much more speedily would the City of God be filled, and the end of the world hastened
This is literally a heresy lol why is Augustine saying this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millenarianism

[Anonymous No.12120138]

Boys I can’t stay long cause I’m on a pirate internet but listen to what I have to say.

I just spoke with Pappy and you boys aren’t gonna like this but he’s VERY displeased. Says each one of you boys is gonna catch a buttpoundin when he gets home. If I was you I’d have my pants around my ankles and be in the position before then... he said a double poundin is not off the table.

Fair warning boys, niggerdad OUT

[Anonymous No.12120149]

>>12120128
>why is Augustine saying this
Because he was a (barely) reformed heretic himself, a Manichean who poisoned Christianity with his idea of connecting the Satan of scripture with specific peoples and nations. This is how the philosophy of love and forgiveness taught by Christ became a crusading political force in Rome. Augustine was the worst thing to happen to us.

[Anonymous No.12120161]

>>12120138
You should be burned to death for even writing that.

[Anonymous No.12120252]

>>12120128
It's what is normally called an argument, the point being that even if we were to grant the objection, even if the entire world were to maintain in virginity from a "[love of God] out of a pure heart, and good conscience, and faith unfeigned," what is surely an impossibility given the reality of our world, then even from this supposed calamity a remarkable good would arise, meaning the objection is bunk. In the same passage he further says, 'Whence it seems to me, that at this time, those only, who contain not, ought to marry, according to that sentence of the same Apostle, "But if they contain not, let them be married: for it is better to be married than to burn."'

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1309.htm

[Anonymous No.12120301]

>>12120161
Now what in the Sam hell is wrong with a Daddy givin his boi a buttthumpin purely as a corrective measure? When your daddy caught you smokin didn’t he make you siddown an smoke a whole pack until you got sick? Why, pappy just pounds the boys butts until they can’t take it no more just to keep em away from that “gay” lifestyle

[Anonymous No.12120324]

>>12120161
This image is true even for 100% heterosexual men.
Especially in regards to porn/masturbation and casual sex, even intercourse. That's one reason why I like the image. When I fall back into the habit, I'll repeat this quote from it that I memorized, "furthermore, the will, agitated by the insatiable drive for pleasure, no longer follows reason but rather the tumult of the passions". There is no balance of pornography usage, there is no moderation. It's all consuming. You're going to be dealing with daily horniness if you reguarlly have sexual activity. That's something that just distracts, lowers the mind and makes you focus on a consumption oriented lifestyle. It's unsatisfying, meaningless and if indulged drags great men down to the level of worthless ones.

[Anonymous No.12120342]

>>12119849
none of those influences were apocalyptic, world-colonizing movements shaped by a man as sick (if capable of great power and eloquence) as Paul. What you say just shows christians simply contributed exaggeration of greek and jewish virtues.

[Anonymous No.12121261]

>>12120128

Catholicism is Atheism. Atheism is Catholicism.

[Anonymous No.12121275]

Catholic here, reading these threads on /lit/ makes me want to become an atheist or a muslim desu.

[Anonymous No.12121299]

>>12121275
Why?

[Anonymous No.12121300]

>>12119633
if you needed any more proof that Christianity is a death-cult akin to shit like the Children of Atom in Fallout 3

[Anonymous No.12121304]

>>12119782
you didn't need to post a pic of them in "holy garb" to tell me they were chaste

those two look fruitier than fruity pebbles

[Anonymous No.12121319]

>>12119633
Augustine is not the person for sex advice.

[Anonymous No.12121620]

>>12121319
He's the best person.

[Anonymous No.12121634]

>>12119782
>ugly fucks adopting religion as a justification for why no woman wants to fuck them
GENIUS

[Anonymous No.12121637]

>>12121319
why not he was quite the chad during his life as a rhetoric master

[Anonymous No.12121657]

>being so life denying you think abstinence and extinction is an ethical good
>being such a prude you think butt sex is the worst sin imaginable

Christ fags.

[Anonymous No.12121660]

>>12121637
>unironically using the word chad
ask me how i know you're a virgin

[Anonymous No.12122874]

>>12121275
Go on. LEAVE then.
I say—better to have a few that are reliable than to have a great many that are distractible!

[Anonymous No.12122899]

>>12121660
>unironically using the word unironically
You are fun at parties i bet

[Anonymous No.12122907]

>>12121275
>>12122874
Evangelization.We've already done it.
Ecumenicalism.Been there, done that.
Tolerance. Doesn't live here anymore. It's been evicted.
It vacated the house for the new tenant, who has diametrically opposite tastes in decorating.

We've been reaching out to others for years now.
It's time to stop! We are not going anywhere.We are here. Because, what are we?
We are cement.
And cement doesn't move. We are cement without windows. So, we don't look to the outside world. "Only the Church possesses the charisma of truth", said St. Ignatius of Antioch. And he was right. We have no reason to look out. Instead, look over there. What do you see? That's the door. The only way in.Small and extremely uncomfortable. And anyone who wants to know us has to find out how to get through that door.

Brother cardinals, we need to go back to being prohibited.
Inaccessible and mysterious.
That's the only way we can once again become desirable. That is the only way great loves stories are born. And I don't want any more part-time believers.
I want great love stories.
I want fanatics for God. Because fanaticism is love.
Everything else is strictly a surrogate, and it stays outside the church.
With the attitudes of the last Papacy, the church won for itself great expressions of fondness from the masses. It became popular. Isn't that wonderful, you might be thinking! We received plenty of esteem and lots of friendship. I have no idea what to do with the friendship of the whole wide world—what I want is absolute love and total devotion to God.

Could that mean a Church only for the few? That's a hypothesis, and a hypothesis isn't the same as reality. But even this hypothesis isn't so scandalous. I say: better to have a few that are reliable than to have a great many that are distractible and indifferent.
The public squares have been jam-packed, but the hearts have been emptied of God.
You can't measure love with numbers, you can only measure it in terms of intensity.
In terms of blind loyalty to the imperative. Fix that word firmly in your souls: Imperative.From this day forth, that's what the Pope wants, that's what the Church wants, that's what God wants. And so the liturgy will no longer be a social engagement, it will become hard work. And sin will no longer be forgiven at will. I don't expect any applause from you. There will be no expressions of thanks in this chapel.
None from me and none from you.

[Anonymous No.12122908]

>>12122874
>unironically posting photos of that gay ass rick and morty level "ebic moment" show

[Anonymous No.12122920]

>>12121660
how does using old 4chan memes make you a virgin, you guys need to relax

[Anonymous No.12122922]

>>12122874
The only point of the catholic church is to grow, acquire more members and thus more financial gains.

[Anonymous No.12122942]

>>12122922
Heresey

[Anonymous No.12122944]

Seems like /lit/ has been filled with born-again Christian's of of late

[Anonymous No.12123049]

>>12122944
People who claim to be born again Christians espouse nothing like the discourse of this thread. They're protestant scum whose central ideology is pride and the actual God they worship is their very self. They use God as a justification for sin. They are not even deserving of the name Christian.

[Anonymous No.12123068]

As always, the close connection of catholicism and mental illness becomes apparent less than 50 post into the thread.

[Anonymous No.12123100]

>>12123068
>I don't like it so therefore mentally ill!
B R A I N L E T

[Anonymous No.12123131]

>>12122944
contrarian posters have always been the heart of this site. now is the perfect time to larp as a conservative religious type. if the "normies" were like this right now, you know half of the posters here would switch on to the opposite.

[Anonymous No.12123142]

>>12123100
Whom dost thou quote?

[Anonymous No.12123746]

>>12123131
That isn't true.

[Anonymous No.12123794]

>2018 Anno Domini
>Still being a Papist
How embarassing

[Anonymous No.12123805]

>>12119678
Couldn't "and multiply" be construed as multiplying the believers through conversion instead of procreating?

[Anonymous No.12123823]

>>12119849
Asceticism is decadent

[Anonymous No.12123828]

>>12123794
>(Martin Luther, in his habitual state of inebriation seconds before raping another nun and committing another blasphemy about how God is actually the devil to paper; 1533, colourized)

[Anonymous No.12123902]

>>12123823
how so?

[Anonymous No.12123939]

>>12123828
>be me
>pope Leo X
>selling indulgence to some nobleman
>he cheated on his wife with a 5 yr old girl
>Yes Yes only 50 gold pieces goym
>suddenly hear noise from the hall
>"WHOAH WATCH OUT FAGS"
>no
>it's him
>I move to block the door but I am too late
>Martin Luther busts through riding a skateboard
>I am knocked to the floor
>"WHOAH WATCH OUT THERE POPE"
>he knocks the indulgence money out of my hands and gives the nobleman a translated bible
>I revile in disgust
>"THIS IS A RADICAL NEW INTERPRETATION BRUH"
>I can only watch in horror as he explains that the Catholic Church is fake news and that he doesn't actually need to pay to have his sins forgiven
>He then spits on me
>"SEE YA LATER LEO"
>he then leaves, breaking several
holy artifacts in the way
>I am on the floor, crying
>to this day I cannot sleep without dreaming of Martin Luther laughing in my face
>Fuck you Martin

[Anonymous No.12124005]

>>12121300
Christianity is a vile, virulent plague that is poisoning society from achieving its ultimate goals through thought control, dogma and inhumane ideas prejudiced to control the bugmen population.

God I hate Christians. They need to be killed or sterilized.

[Anonymous No.12124017]

>>12123805
Not when it's conjuncted with "be fruitful," you silly twat.

[Anonymous No.12124047]

>>12120149
>a Manichean who poisoned Christianity with his idea of connecting the Satan of scripture with specific peoples and nations
Uh-huh.
>Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
>They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”
>Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.”
>“Abraham is our father,” they answered.
>“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would[c] do what Abraham did. As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. You are doing the works of your own father.”
>“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”
>Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
>The Jews answered him [with their lies]
>“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

[Anonymous No.12124052]

>>12124005
>poisoning society from achieving its ultimate goals
https://youtu.be/eP98ZKt709A
Ah, the glorious society.

[Anonymous No.12124053]

>>12123939
>be me
>mart*n l*ther
>fucking some noble dude's wife while he's away banging kiddies or something idk idc
>yes yes, only 50 blowjobs and you still get to heaven
>"WOAH WATCH OUT HERETICS"
>no
>it's him
>I try to throw the woman in front of the door to block it but it's too late
>Pope Leo x bursts through riding a holy cherub
>I am knocked to the floor
>"WOAH WATCH OUT THERE POOPTHER"
>he throws the line of petite housewives out of my cabin and gives them rosary beads
>I revile in disgust but subtly start to masturbate
>"THIS IS A RADICAL, AGE OLD DOCTRINE GIVEN BY THE CHRISTOS HIMSELF, CHILD"
>I can only watch in horror as he explains extra marital affairs are truly damaging to the soul
>he then spits on me
>"SEE YA IN HELL FROM HIGH ABOVE, POOPTHER"
>he then leaves, breaking several of my moonshine stills in the way
>I am on the flooring, crying and blaming jews
>to this day I cannot fuck married women without thinking of the Pope laughing in my face
>fuck you Leo (and also moses)

[Anonymous No.12124926]

>>12121300
The children of atom are right though

[Anonymous No.12124993]

>>12123823
CRINGE

[Anonymous No.12125087]

>>12121275
4chan is poison for the soul. Keep your dosage light

[Anonymous No.12125096]

>>12125087
Yikes.

[Anonymous No.12125282]

>>12124053
GOOD post.

[Anonymous No.12125291]

>>12119669
This post is straight out of Kierkegaard’s journals.

[Anonymous No.12125394]

>>12119669
Not all protestant circles, but yes most, mind you.

[Anonymous No.12125411]

I just finished Confessions and, while I am still uncertain about Christianity, I agree with many of the points he has in this work. "Lust indulged becomes habit and habit unrestricted becomes necessity." Freedom is only a will away.

[Anonymous No.12125435]

>>12123049
I'm a born again Christian, I disagree with your blanket statement.
But I do know what you are talking about, I would aplogize on their behalf if you would let me, we should pray about their hearts.

[Anonymous No.12126381]

>>12124053
>>12123939
This is not what the Christ wanted.
And you dare call yourselves Christans?