/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12115421]

Did it deliver? Is this the final nail in the Jordan Peterson coffin?

[Anonymous No.12115454]

>Jordan Peterson is believed by many to be the greatest thinker that humanity has ever known. He is Father Figure, Philosopher-King, and Prophet to the millions of young men who are his most fervent fans and followers. He is the central figure of the Intellectual Dark Web, an academic celebrity, and an unparalleled media phenomenon who has shattered all conceptions of what it means to be modern celebrity in the Internet Age.

>He has, by his own admission, thought thoughts that no man has ever thought before. He has dared to dream dreams that no man has ever dreamed before.
Wait is this satire? These days, I can no longer tell.

[Anonymous No.12115557]

>>12115421
holy...I want more

[Anonymous No.12115571]

>>12115454
>Intellectual dark web
?

The Dark Enlightenment was a catch all phraseology for the neo-reactionaries what the fuck is this "intellectual dark web"?

[Anonymous No.12115574]

>>12115571
Youtube channels and patreonbux

[Anonymous No.12115579]

>>12115571
nu-rationalism, AKA nu-nu-New Atheism, AKA The Eternal Fedora

[Anonymous No.12115593]

>>12115421
Goddamn. I think Peterson's alright but he sometimes says some retarded shit. But goddamn, that man has the ability to get inside the heads of people who really fucking disagree with him at which point they turn full on exceptional. Not that Vox Day wasn't special before but damn this feels like a new low for him.

[Anonymous No.12115599]

It's an anti-semite deconstructing 12 rules because Jbp doesn't believe in the same Jewish conspiracies he does. It's complete trash. It only validates the fact that Peterson isn't a right wing nutjob by the author.

[Anonymous No.12115603]

Vox is a bandwagon jumping self-important egotist, but his criticisms of JBP have been fairly accurate so far as he attacks him on what he actually says rather than what he represents.

I still wouldn't read a whole fucking book of that shit though

[Anonymous No.12115675]

>Did it deliver?
>Vox Day

No.

[Anonymous No.12115677]

>>12115421
>a persons name is vox day

wtf lol

[Anonymous No.12115846]

>>12115599
Did you even read it? it sounds like you're making shit up.

[Anonymous No.12115850]

>>12115677
no its a pseudonym for a alt-right guy.

[Anonymous No.12115851]

>>12115677
lol

[Anonymous No.12115923]

>>12115571
It's the cohort of the following: David Rubin, Eric Weinstein, Bret Weinstein, Maajid ???, Sam Harris, Heather Heying, Ben Shaprio, Joe Rogan. I might be missing people, but you get the idea. It's just Jews usurping over Jews for e-celeb bucks.

[Anonymous No.12115987]

>>12115923
Yeah, but the stupid term was invented by one of the Weinsteins and is only used seriously by the Weinsteins and Dave Rubin.

[Anonymous No.12116066]

>>12115677
if your name was Teddy Beale, you'd want to change it to Venereal Disease too.

[Anonymous No.12116108]

>>12115987
Eric uses the term for humour, it's a joke, not a serious designation.

[Anonymous No.12116119]

>>12115571
A group of people on youtube talking about this neo-reactionary shit. Someone did a study to reveal about them on youtube

[Anonymous No.12116135]

It's not available on the usual pirate channels so I haven't read it.

[Anonymous No.12116143]

>>12115421
>Jordanetics
Why is he comparing a charlatan like Peterson to a prophet like Hubbard?

[Anonymous No.12116217]

>>12115421
If by deliver you mean cash in on a trend just like Peterson is cashing in on delinquents vox is cashing in on him cashing in then yes
>rampant capitalism baby

[Anonymous No.12116243]

>>12115987
>the stupid term was invented by one of the Weinsteins
wasn't it some 'journalist' who came up with it though

[Anonymous No.12116247]

>>12116119
>Someone did a study to reveal about them on youtube
That study put literally the most establishmentarian Republican inside the "Intellectual Dark Web", it's fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.12116393]

>>12115421
Holy shit I just read Milo Yiannopoulos's introduction. Holy shit. This is the first paragraph:
>I’m a smart person. Really smart, actually, and very expensively educated! But half the time, I just can’t understand a bloody word Jordan Peterson says. And I’ve been thinking recently about why that could be. Ordinarily, I can listen to someone prattling on and quickly get to the heart of what they are trying to express. That’s one of the skills you pick up as a journalist: You learn to quickly identify the core of a problem, the essence of what’s being said. You learn to filter out the noise—and to identify bullshitters. But with Jordan Peterson, once I’ve filtered out the noise, I don’t find a lot left to work with. And there’s another problem. He lies.

Never ever start a book with the words, "I'm really smart." It makes you look like a dingus.

[Anonymous No.12116417]

>>12116393
He's a bug-chasing homosexual pedophile who sleeps around with blacks. Looking like a dingus is an upgrade.

[Anonymous No.12116451]

>>12116417
I think Milo's editor put it better than you:

[Anonymous No.12116489]

>>12116393
So, the book is just ressentiment of a degenerate and some right-wing PUA blogger?
Imagine my shock when messages about responsibility and purpose do not resonate with these people.

Even JBP's critics can agree he has interesting stuff to say, they just don't agree with his politics and persona.

[Anonymous No.12116503]

>>12115571
Analytical Marxism for sociological issues
Basically saying a lot of things/phenomenon in society are based in biological reasons

[Anonymous No.12116527]

>>12115454
this is kino

[Anonymous No.12116531]

>>12115987
>only used seriously by the Weinsteins and Dave Rubin.
the Weinsteins are literal autists and Rubin is a literal retard, i think even Peterson is embarrassed by the dark web shit, but is too polite to tell them

[Anonymous No.12116533]

>>12116108
link something that proves he treats it as a joke

[Anonymous No.12116537]

>>12116243
Eric Weinstein invented it and some literally who ally they had in the NYtimes popularized it
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/opinion/intellectual-dark-web.html

[Anonymous No.12116951]

>>12116451
What is this from

[Anonymous No.12117084]

>>12116951
Milo's book was leaked after his original publisher refused to publish it, including the editor's notes.

[Anonymous No.12117295]

>>12116489

>Even JBP's critics can agree he has interesting stuff to say

Interesting if you're being exposed to these ideas for the first time I guess, but yes many of Jordan's critics are just resentful neo-nazis who are mad that he doesn't hate Jews.

[Anonymous No.12117308]

>>12116531

>i think even Peterson is embarrassed by the dark web shit, but is too polite to tell them

I think Peterson is embarrassed by literally everyone he's associated with.

[Anonymous No.12117682]

>>12115421
This is a book? Shouldn't it just be a video?

[Anonymous No.12117729]

Somebody should upload it. I can remove the DRM if you don't know how.

[Anonymous No.12117730]

I wouldn't have a problem with Peterson if it wasn't for all the people in real life saying "Hey have you heard of Jordan Peterson? I've gotten really into listening to him he has great stuff to say you should give him a try."

I know that's a childish reason to resent someone, but I can't help it.

[Anonymous No.12117739]

>>12115923

This desu

[Anonymous No.12117750]

[Anonymous No.12117767]

>2000
>internet is an amazing thing that will allow for unrestricted flow of information and massively improve our lives by spurring scientific and social progress
>2018
>presenting 200 pages critique of a self-help book by a psychology professor video blogging about Disney cartoons and penis washing

[Anonymous No.12117800]

>>12117767
web 2.0 was a mistake

[Anonymous No.12117824]

>>12117800
High speed internet was the end of app good things.

The ideal point was when internet was fast enough for communication, downloading text, and perhaps some multiplayer video games, but pictures and video would still take a while to load.

[Anonymous No.12117851]

>>12117824
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsNaR6FRuO0

Those truly were better times.
Maybe you're right, it was video that fucked everything up.

[Anonymous No.12117956]

>>12117800
Social media and smartphones were a mistake. Fuck Facebook, fuck Google, and fuck silicon valley for selling out to normies. Fucking boomers 2.0 is what they are.

[Anonymous No.12118186]

Has anyone tried the book he wrote in 1999

[Anonymous No.12118211]

>>12116143
Tfw both made career in Merica

[Anonymous No.12118252]

>>12115571
It's sort of like The White Visitation only cringeier

[Anonymous No.12118304]

>>12115571

[Anonymous No.12118324]

>>12118304
CONSERVATISM IS THE NEW COUNTER CULTURE

[Anonymous No.12118348]

>>12118304
Christian conservatism actually is a new idea for like 7/8ths of the entire world who know nothing about it, especially considering the secularization that occurred during the 20th century where Christian conservatism was ever mildly dominant. Peterson isnt even a Christian conservative either, he's a lightly monotheistic liberal. He's not even against transsexuality or gender egalitarianism, he represents a fraction of liberals who just don't like collective idpol.

Goddamn do I hate political cartoons, they just remind me of how many brainlets I'm around.

[Anonymous No.12118357]

Interviewer: Do you believe Jesus Christ rose from the dead?
JBP: [pause] Let me think how to answer that
JBP: [longer pause]
JBP ...It depends on what you mean by Jesus

If you can't see him for the dishonest piece of shit that he is you deserve him.

[Anonymous No.12118364]

>>12118348
>Not being an American liberal who grew up in a mildly right wing household is what the majority of the world experiences
What? No way

[Anonymous No.12118366]

>>12115454
The last sentence look like it's taken from Poe's "The Raven".

[Anonymous No.12118372]

>>12118357
>Contemplating his own beliefs in conversation is dishonest because he doesn't have an immediate ideological answer
He's a cultural christian big whoop

[Anonymous No.12118378]

>>12116393
Fun fact: DFW applied for his job at Illinois describing himself this way.
He got the job, but if you look into his early life everybody (teachers, and fellow students) hated him

[Anonymous No.12118380]

>>12117956
>tfw never had facebook

[Anonymous No.12118382]

>>12118324
Christianity basically was punk rock under the Soviet Union btw. It's one of the greatest reasons for the Revolutions of 89

T. /his/

[Anonymous No.12118398]

>>12118357
well technically Jesus was a mushroom, so in that sense yes, Fungi feeding off of dead matter and all

[Anonymous No.12118399]

>>12118372
The point isn't whether or not he's a Christian, it's his dishonesty. He's not a Christian and he doesn't want to admit it so he plays fast and loose with definitions to avoid telling the truth.

[Anonymous No.12118416]

>>12118399
>Fast and loose with definitions by pausing to consider the definitions
Uh huh

[Anonymous No.12118431]

>>12118416
there is nothing to consider

[Anonymous No.12118435]

>>12118416
How does the definition of Jesus matter in that question? You can have whatever conception of Jesus you please, the question is whether or not that conception rose from the dead. It's a yes or no question even if you have some wacky conception of Jesus that needs to be elaborated on after the fact.

[Anonymous No.12118445]

>>12118431
>>12118435
Jesus as a concept or hero vs Jesus the actual person? Jpb is a Jungian for fucks sakes.

Come on guys, this isn't hard.

[Anonymous No.12118455]

>>12118445
How does an abstract concept rise from the dead? Does being a Jungian retard your brain?

[Anonymous No.12118480]

>>12118455
By Jesus' death and resurrection forming into an integral part of cultural mores by influencing the collective psyche of people? In that same interview he denies Jesus being literally resurrected from the dead and uses this question as an opportunity to talk about Analytical Psychology.

It's what's known as a "transition" among conversationalists.

[Anonymous No.12118491]

>>12118480

so he's not a christian, then.

[Anonymous No.12118504]

>>12115454
If you read his introduction to that as tongue-in-cheek it's pretty hilarious, if a bit under-practiced from a writing perspective. Just Milo being Milo, no one should be surprised reading that.

[Anonymous No.12118510]

>>12118491
No. You might be able to say he is mildly monotheistic incidentally but he is what's known as a cultural christian, which is basically a secularist who admits influence from christian morality.

[Anonymous No.12118526]

>>12115571
A lot of these ideas/names stick because they're absurd or polemic. People confident in their own ideas own the label instead of rejecting it. We still call it "the big bang" don't we?

Saying "there's cooler names for it" misses the point entirely because the label is literally the most meaningless part of the overall idea or body of ideas.

[Anonymous No.12118529]

>>12118382
No, it wasn't, and no, it wasn't.
>T. /his/
Figures.

[Anonymous No.12118530]

>>12118529
Yes it was, and yes, it was. Read a book not a blog, faggot.

[Anonymous No.12118537]

>>12118529
>Denying the role of the Catholic and Orthodox Churches in the Revolutions of 89
I can't even

[Anonymous No.12118708]

>>12115421
>Vox Day

I can't take him seriously. His fiction is mediocre trash, he's obsessed with race, and unironically uses the term cultural marxism. That being said, he's no better than Peterson, Molyneux, and the other 2010 "dark web" personalities that will be forgotten in the next decade. At least I hope, politics entering where it shouldn't is like cancer.

[Anonymous No.12118833]

>>12118372
Incredible. He's a professor and a philosopher with a lecture series about the bible, and right there is the first time he ever thought about whether or not Jesus actually rose from the dead, brought about from a single interview question. JP really is an intellectual powerhouse of the modern age, and is very honest!

[Anonymous No.12118857]

>>12118833
>and right there is the first time he ever thought about whether or not Jesus actually rose from the dead,
No. I didn't imply this either, he is just trying to think of his answer carefully.

[Anonymous No.12118868]

>>12118857
Why? It's literally a yes or no question. Why the hell would he need to think about it, unless he's intending on using word trickery to worm his way out of it?

[Anonymous No.12118885]

>>12116417
>>12116451
yikes

[Anonymous No.12118906]

>>12115421
He destroyed Peterson by quoting him.

[Anonymous No.12118909]

>>12117750
Owen is unrionically more /lit/ than peterson

[Anonymous No.12118912]

>>12118906
No man you just don't get it. Jordan Peterson is a super deep thinker and his vocabulary is amazing and I'm definitely not an impressionable idiot with daddy issues.

[Anonymous No.12118922]

>>12118868
It's called a "transition" you absolute autist lmao

[Anonymous No.12118954]

>>12115987
Everyone treats it as an in-joke except for Rubin who takes it super fucking seriously because he's so desperate to be part of any clique.
Watch his interviews with any of the others, they look awkward as fuck when he gets into a tirade about how great their super exclusive club is.

[Anonymous No.12118967]

>>12116393
Being an over-the-top, arrogant, loud, obnoxious antagoniser is Milo's entire schtick.

[Anonymous No.12118992]

>>12116119
>joe rogan and sam harris
>nrx

[Anonymous No.12118999]

>>12118378
Yeah but Infinite Jest is a pretty good book. Like I know it's a meme here but it is actually a quality piece of writing. Meanwhile I have read Milo's Dangerous (both the early leaked version with the editor's scathing comments and the final published version) and it's just not good. It's not to do with his politics either, despite how contradictory they often seem, it's that he writes like an edgy fucking high school student.

[Anonymous No.12119010]

>>12117308
He seems to genuinely enjoy the company of Ben Shapiro, Sam Harris even though they disagree on things and funnily enough Joe Rogan although that's probably because Joe practically worships him.

[Anonymous No.12119164]

>>12118999
I can't believe I actually liked this guy during his 5 minutes of fame. But I guess thats his deal. He's good at poking people and making them cry, but in the form of a book his sensitive hysterical target is absent and instead you're just reading edgy poorly thought out trash with no direction or point.

[Anonymous No.12119248]

>>12118999
I have to post the best bit from Milo's editor

[Anonymous No.12119348]

>>12119164
I think what gets Milo popularity is that despite what you think of him, he is incredibly charismatic and demands attention and a lot of people seem to flock to his "character".
However, similar to what you said, in text form all of that is absent and you really just see the ramblings of an edgelord with no real aim.

[Anonymous No.12119431]

>>12119348
kinda like JP come to think of it.

[Anonymous No.12119473]

Why doesn't anyone attack his "interpretation" of Nietzsche?

[Anonymous No.12119503]

>>12119473
because nobody actually reads nietzche. nietzche was a shit writer.

[Anonymous No.12119511]

>>12115599
Is vox day even antisemitic? All I know is he refuted JP's claim that Jews are naturally smarter and have a higher IQ. But I guess that's considered antisemitic.....

[hehe funny No.12119526]

>>12116451
eheha that's fucking funny

[Anonymous No.12119621]

>>12119431
I don't think JP is out to just piss everyone off quite like Milo is.

[Anonymous No.12119629]

>>12119621
I get what anon's saying. JP is a far more interesting speaker and interview subject than a writer (at least as far as 12 Rules goes, haven't read Maps of Meaning yet so I might be wrong). On the other hand I think JP's stuff does have some substance (whether or not you agree or disagree with him) when you just write it on paper whereas when Milo is reduced to mere words it's clear there's little to nothing actually there.

[Anonymous No.12119670]

>>12119629
Yes, I would agree with all that. I would add that JP also seems to genuinely believe what he is saying most of the time as opposed to Milo who comes across as an act.

[Anonymous No.12120183]

>>12115571
It's like everything with old people where they hear an internet term on tv and use it erroneously. In this case the old people using young people terms wrong are like Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris

[Anonymous No.12120195]

>>12115421
Is this a fucking joke?
Please tell me this is a joke
>>12115571
It's a term to refer to Joe Rogan's buddies who trigger le sjws. That's pretty much it, it's Ben Shapiro, Joe Rogan, Peterson, and that one professor from Evergreen nobody gives a shit about

[Anonymous No.12120198]

First as tragedy, then as farce

[Anonymous No.12120202]

>>12120195
Imagine thinking Joe fucking Rogan is an intellectual. The man probably has brain damage from UFC and smoking ungodly amounts of weed.

[Anonymous No.12120225]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lfZSlJvhD4

[Anonymous No.12120237]

If Peterson is humanity's greatest thinker, we are absolutely doomed as a species.

[Anonymous No.12120241]

this is anti peterson from a far right perspective, the masturbatory tone is sarcastic. the book is meant to refute his points.

peterson and vox day are both reactionary morons fwiw, but there are different shades of reactionary

[Anonymous No.12120242]

>>12120241
>reactionary
babby learned a new word while reading blogs.

[Anonymous No.12120249]

>>12120242
t. capitalist

[Anonymous No.12120257]

>>12120249
based

[Anonymous No.12120263]

Milo still exists? I thought he was basically blacklisted after the pedo shit

[Anonymous No.12120267]

>>12118252
Whats cringey about the white visitation?

[Anonymous No.12120270]

>>12118537
>Revolutions of 89

[Anonymous No.12120288]

>>12120241
>>12120249
Fuck off commie scum.

This is no longer a lefty board.

[Anonymous No.12120290]

So is this book a meme or is it a respectable critique?

[Anonymous No.12120294]

Jp has some good stuff for beginner philosophy people. It’s practical and can help you understand yourself. But after a while it’s time to move onto other philosophy. Milo is desperately trying to stay relevant

[Anonymous No.12120305]

>>12120288
in your dreams

[Anonymous No.12120453]

>>12118348
Christian conservatism isn't a new idea, no matter how much you twist words, dumbass. And yes, he's against both egalitarianism and transsexuality, but he recognizes that saying that openly wouldn't get him the mainstream appeal he wants. So he sets up his "thought experiments" in which the only possible answer is whatever ugly shit he wants to do and then acts offended when you follow a simple train of logic to its concluson.

[Anonymous No.12120482]

>>12120288
>This is no longer a lefty board.
That's what they keep saying since the day moot separated the firmament of /lit/ from dark waters of /b/.

[Anonymous No.12120484]

jordan peterson is so good he united the extreme right and left.

[Anonymous No.12120536]

>>12116489
Not really.

[Anonymous No.12120569]

>>12115571
>what the fuck is this "intellectual dark web"?

Four jews and shabbos goy, Peterson.

[Anonymous No.12120654]

>>12119010
>and funnily enough Joe Rogan although that's probably because Joe practically worships him.
also Rogan gives Peterson "street cred" or whatever, he likes to feel like he can keep up with everyday men even though he is an aseptic academic

[Anonymous No.12120656]

>>12118909
Owen is straightforwardly retarded and brainwashed though

[Anonymous No.12120681]

>>12118833
>and right there is the first time he ever thought about whether or not Jesus actually rose from the dead
95% of strict catholics have probably never even thought about this, not saying he is a christian, just a cultural christian, but there's literally nothing wrong with not having analyzed all parts of your religion, that's just protestantism and most people aren't protestant

[Anonymous No.12120684]

>>12116451
Lmao is this real

[Anonymous No.12120688]

>Vox Day
>Foreword by Milo Yiannopoulos
ayyy lmao
two pissed off blacklisted alt-righters trying to make money off of someone who's actually relevant

[Anonymous No.12120692]

>>12119248
but that's the only chapter that sounds interesting

[Anonymous No.12120697]

>>12119473
because he has no interpretation of Nietzsche, he has just used a few paragraphs from Nietzsche for different things, and Nietzsche wrote about literally everything so that's not surprising

[Anonymous No.12120704]

>>12115571

A bunch of jews and couple of shabbos goys like Jordan trying the keep the right-wing a neo-liberal race-blind pro-capitalist individualist movement as it has been since Reagan.

[Anonymous No.12120738]

>>12120684
There's the whole thing somewhere on the internet. Reading those comments was like listening to an adult talking to a dumb child.

[Anonymous No.12120845]

>>12120453
t.schyzoid

[Anonymous No.12120866]

>>12120290
anything connected to that prat Vox is sub-meme tier.
The guy is a glorified blogger with delusions of grandeur ffs.

[Anonymous No.12120935]

Anybody got the .pdf/.epub?

Or is everyone just discussing a book they haven't even read?

[Anonymous No.12121000]

>>12120935
it'll be up on libgen soon enough. but it's likely basically a glorified blogpost, like his other "books" judging from his blogs shilling it

[Anonymous No.12121002]

>>12120935
Nah it's not floating around yet, the book's still pretty new. I do however have screenshots of a grown man arguing with amazon reviewers who gave his book a bad review.

[Anonymous No.12121014]

>>12120654
>aseptic
did you mean to say ascetic?
Also Peterson prefers working class guys. Mainly because they have a propensity to be more down to earth and have great humor.

[Anonymous No.12121015]

>>12121002
wow

[Anonymous No.12121028]

>>12121014
i meant aseptic as in boring, polite and unmanly

[Anonymous No.12121092]

>>12120569
Correction. There's five if we include Sam Harris.

[Anonymous No.12121129]

>>12120263
He's still about but he's unlikely to ever reach his peak 2016 period again

[Anonymous No.12121327]

>>12120845
t. illiterate

[Anonymous No.12121391]

>>12121327
Schyzoid looks better than schizoid so fuck off ok

[Anonymous No.12121567]

>>12121391
I'm all for stylistic flexibility but you're retarded.