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[Anonymous No.12109734]

>progress isn't real

[Anonymous No.12109744]

Any other Tory Radicals I can read? I think it comes closest to capturing my political position

[Anonymous No.12109757]

>>12109744
Paul Gottfried, Orestes Brownson, Peter Stanlis, Robert Nisbet, Claes G. Ryn, Pat Buchanan

[Anonymous No.12110448]

>>12109734
where's the lie tho

[Anonymous No.12110454]

Where is progress going?

[Anonymous No.12110456]

>>12109744
https://www.jstor.org/stable/41178487?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

[Anonymous No.12110473]

>>12109744
>>12109757
Conservative marxists: Jean-Claude Michea, Slavoj Zizek, George Orwell

[Anonymous No.12110476]

>>12110454
We aren't progressing at all, not in any meaningful way anyway.

[Anonymous No.12110482]

>>12110473
>Zizek

I just finished The Sublime Object of Ideology, where do I go from here?

[Anonymous No.12110495]

>>12109734
I fucking wish

[Anonymous No.12110503]

>>12110482

[Anonymous No.12111405]

>>12109757
Jacques Ellul, Tucker Carlson, Greg Johnson

[Anonymous No.12111700]

>>12109734

This is true though.

[Anonymous No.12111990]

>>12109734
>>12111700
yeah, tell me something I don't know

[Anonymous No.12112008]

>>12110476
Humanity just passed the peak of its bell curve

[Anonymous No.12112969]

>>12110454
progressing off the edge of the mountain-side.
history is like climbing a mountain, but progressives can't stop themselves from climbing, even when there is nothing left to climb, hence the collapse of culture.

[Anonymous No.12114238]

>>12109734
Even if Hegelian metaphysicalized progress isn't real, can't we improve things somewhat?

[Anonymous No.12114246]

Does anyone have that IQ chart which tracked ideologies with intelligence, and it found that the highest-IQ people were all reactionaries? I find more and more that that's accurate.

[Anonymous No.12114334]

>>12114246
No, but I hope that someone posts this to confirm my own bias.

[Anonymous No.12114344]

>>12109734
I've taken a few classes with his daughter, she's fantastic.

[Anonymous No.12115267]

>>12109744
>>12109757
>>12110473
>>12111405
bumping for more like this

[Anonymous No.12115278]

>>12110454
The apex of evolution of course.

[Anonymous No.12115284]

>>12109734
We do evolve so I don't believe this is true.

[Anonymous No.12115358]

>>12109734
Our current era is similar to the collapse of the Bronze age.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRcu-ysocX4

[Anonymous No.12115471]

>>12110454
self-preserving robots that will degenerate into a wasteland

[Anonymous No.12115476]

>>12115358
The West is going to collapse into a mess and the only thing that will preserve it is the Church. It's going to be like the Middle Ages all over again.

[Anonymous No.12115643]

>>12115476
The current Church will preserve nothing. Maybe the new one will arise along the way.

[Anonymous No.12115646]

>>12115643
The church is one fabric folded and unraveling through the layer of time.

[Anonymous No.12115665]

>>12115643
>The current Church will preserve nothing.

This is precisely why we're working on fixing the Church.

[Anonymous No.12116234]

>>12115267
Comments on the Society of the Spectacle, Guy Debord
Cornelius Castoriadis
Paul Piccone
TELOS Press
Georges Sorel
Ernst Jünger
Reinhart Koselleck
Augusto del Noce

[Anonymous No.12116440]

>>12115665
Not gonna happen. As much as it pains me to say so, Islam is the only major religion right now with enough fortitude to survive the collapse of civilization.

[Anonymous No.12116456]

>>12116440
Islam is in its death throes.

[Anonymous No.12116460]

>>12116456
Islam is the fastest-growing religion in Europe.[46][47] According to the Pew Research Center, the Muslim population in Europe (excluding Turkey) was about 30 million in 1990, 44 million in 2010 and is expected to increase to 58 million by 2030; the Muslim share of the population increased from 4.1% in 1990 to 6% in 2010 and will continue to increase over the next 40 years, reaching 10% in 2050.

[Anonymous No.12116487]

>>12110482

[Anonymous No.12116494]

>>12116460
because of immigration and their birth rates
Islam itself worldwide is rapidly eroding before multicult homo feminist progressivism

[Anonymous No.12116509]

>>12116460
If you just want to look at numbers, then take Sub-Saharan Africa and Central-Central America into account and you'll get a completely different picture.

The fact is that many muslim populations have already reached and passed their booming demographic stage.

[Anonymous No.12116512]

>>12116494
This, Islam died a long time ago. The current recurrence of Islamism is just a backlash to the secularization of the 60's and 70's. There is no substance to it, things like ISIS are just repackaged criminal culture to the alienated second-generation immigrants.

You just can't beat the GLOBOHOMO-Leviathan, no culture in the world is different. Humans are suckers for material conditions.

[Anonymous No.12116535]

Someone post the Lasch pasta.

[Anonymous No.12116542]

>>12116535
This one?

>Was anyone more prescient than Christopher Lasch?

>it's not postmodern neomarxism, Pete. It's managerial liberalism, mass media driven information overload and the resulting culture of Narcissism. If anything, you should be blaming Rawls instead of Foucault. Peterson manages to 'own' leftists only because he is defending middle class commonsense against the increasingly intrusive psychopolitical demands of the managerial globohomo leviathan. Try reading vox, the guardian or the nyt, grates like nails on chalkboard precisely because they are asking you to adopt a very specific kind of mentality that's full of internal contradictions. On one side, it's institutional realism, on the other, it's a mangled form of social constructionism. shrill moralism and the journalistic royal We deployed for the sake of an ethics of mandatory individualistic hedonism. All the traditional criteria of 'merit' thrown out the window for a fixation on percentages and 'representation', and yet they still expect the deference accorded to traditional 'merit'- based institutions.

>'identity politics' has been embraced by major corporations precisely because it's an effective instrument of post fordist human terrain management. Doesn't prevent Jeff Bezos from becoming the wealthiest man in human history. See Deleuze and Foucault on the society of control vs disciplinary societies and Lasch inspired paleocons such as Paul Gottfried and Sam T. Francis on the rise of managerial power.It is in the interest of managerial therapeutic state to define you as a victim who must be granted self esteem by the benevolent external agency of the system. Internet leftists are sadomasochists who use the heavily formalised discourse of social justice to inflict narcissistic injuries upon each other. Meanwhile, the chuds on the right are clinging to a semblance of an identity,their 'classical liberalism' has little to do with 'the enlightenment' it is an ersatz ego defense mechanism, a refusal to be assimilated into the 'woke' hivemind.

>The postmodern big Other is a Symbolic Order stripped of its symbolization of itself; not posing as God or History, it openly announces itself as a social construct - but this ostensible demystification doesn't impede its functioning, for it has never functioned more effectively

[Anonymous No.12116743]

>>12115267
James Kunstler, John Michael Greer, Pat Buchanan, Savitri Devi, Ricardo Duchesne

[Anonymous No.12118390]

>>12109734
This man, in my country he is everything.

[Anonymous No.12118397]

>>12116234
>>12116743
Thanks, think we could get a reading list and some charts/guides going around this subject?

[Anonymous No.12118523]

>thread against the idea of progress
>not a single mention of Oswald Spengler

what the fuck? is this real?

[Anonymous No.12118606]

>>12116460
Islam is not profitable and will be transmogrified by globohomo.

[Anonymous No.12118672]

>>12114246
The current record holder for highest IQ, Chris Langan, is certainly one.

[Anonymous No.12118682]

>>12118523
Spengler is pretty much unreadable in translation, so I wouldn't recommend him to a non-German.

[Anonymous No.12118688]

>>12118682
Spengler is easy as fuck to read in English, he explains everything he means very clearly

[Anonymous No.12118721]

>>12109734
>>12110454
>>12114246
Progressing straight to a global 70 IQ population thanks to dysgenics and lower races.
Even Flynn, who was for a long time the one serious man that still shilled for optimism, has now admitted it in his 2018 paper.

[Anonymous No.12118788]

>>12109734
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo
What do you say to this then?

[Anonymous No.12118830]

>>12118682
Anon, I think you might be a brainlet. Spengler is probably the most coherent and clear German philosopher to read in translation.

[Anonymous No.12118902]

>>12110454
I'm guessing, low population, extermination in some countries, socialism in others. Maybe a robotic arms race, half robot half human rulers in order to compete you'll have to become a cyborg if made legal, but if made illegal your country will be at a disadvantage. Upgrades will only be given to the wealthy meaning we'll see higher divisions of classes at a biological level.

[Anonymous No.12118930]

>>12109734
If progress isn't real, then measurements aren't real. And if measurements aren't real, then we aren't real.

Well, that's kind of true. But at the same time, who cares? I'm still going to act as if I'm real, which means I'll still act as if my measurements are real, which means I'll still act as if I'm making progress if I consider myself to be.

[Anonymous No.12119093]

>>12109734
Even if Hegelian metaphysicalized progress isn't real, can't we improve things somewhat?

[Anonymous No.12119137]

>>12118830
>philosopher

[Anonymous No.12119149]

>>12119137
philosopher of history retard, which is arguably on a rank above philosophy

[Anonymous No.12119324]

>>12118397
Yes! Please!

[Anonymous No.12120444]

>>12110454
Further and further away from a state that is agreeable with human nature (the most agreeable state being hunter-gatherers). Maybe we'll be able to change our nature so it doesn't matter anyway.

[Anonymous No.12120494]

>>12110454
a one-entity collective, a single-minded consciousness, with no trace of individuality, uniform and perfect in purpose and desire.

[Anonymous No.12120784]

>>12118721
Link to the paper pl0x.

[Anonymous No.12120809]

>>12110454
caesarian socialism

[Anonymous No.12120827]

>>12110454
basically an amorphous population with no self direction ameliorated with some bread and circus, led by mediocre strongmen in countries blindly staggering from crisis to crisis.
Spengler was right, we're fucking doomed. If global warming or topsoil depletion doesn't whack us, technological stagnation, population dysgenics and demographic implosion means that there'll be serious trouble in years ahead (though I don't think there'll be too many wars).

[Anonymous No.12120833]

>>12120827
what can we do?

[Anonymous No.12121339]

>>12118721
got a link to that paper?

[Anonymous No.12121346]

>>12118682
As other people have said, Spengler is up there with Nietzsche as being one of the few actually readable German thinkers.

[Anonymous No.12121348]

>>12120833
Invest in biotechnology. Demographic decline means nothing when you can print millions of high IQ white people in cloning vats.

[Anonymous No.12121364]

>>12118788
Lasch is mainly advocating for moral and spiritual progress. And he talked about first world countries.

[Anonymous No.12121376]

>>12121364
>Lasch
>advocating for progress
He seems far too conservative to do that, apart from the Freudian jargon he uses.

[Anonymous No.12121394]

>ecology brainlets shitting up the thread

Here's the famous interview from OP's pic.

Part 1
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5fdem
Part 2
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5fgfe

[Anonymous No.12121424]

>>12121376
I might have misplaced my words, what I meant was that he didn't consider the current "progress" as desirable, mainly due to the social, cultural, psychological and moral breakdown it has brought. He was not against the idea of progress per say, but insisted on it having to be something more than purely economic growth.

[Anonymous No.12121427]

>>12121424
oh ok, that makes more sense. Lasch was always a 'weird' figure in that he used Marxist analysis to reach conservative conclusions.

[Anonymous No.12123185]

>>12121348
Im-fucking-plying the baizuo will ever allow human intelligence modification, cloning, or even any significant gene therapy. I'm sure "we" will make progress on Tay Sachs disease tho.

China may have problems, but debating over securing their borders isn't one