/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12104261]

Is there any real reason to read the bible if you're not a person of faith?

[Anonymous No.12104266]

>>12104261
The Bible, whether it is false or true, is unquestionably the greatest book ever written.

Is that enough of a reason for you?

[Anonymous No.12104278]

>>12104266
if it was true it would be a good reason

[Anonymous No.12104284]

>>12104261
Jews own media outlets, more at 11.

[Anonymous No.12104291]

>>12104278
>was
were*

[Anonymous No.12104305]

>is there any real reason to read the book that has been the ideological centrepiece of Western civilization for nearly 2000 years

[Anonymous No.12104317]

>>12104284
You're a fucking antisemitic piece of shit. Get the fuck off this board and back to /pol/.

[Anonymous No.12104319]

>>12104284
>a pornographic site is a media outlet

[Anonymous No.12104321]

>>12104261
>any real reason

no. wont teach you to change your oil or whatever. but culturally, its significance is unparalleled in western culture.

[Anonymous No.12104322]

>>12104317
What the hell? He was just pointing out an obvious fact. OP is the antisemite here. Your comment shows a lack of comprehension and understanding of the nuances of the issue.

You are clearly retarded, please leave the thread

[Anonymous No.12104328]

>>12104266
I've read about 1/3 of it and was fucking bored out of my mind for the majority of it. Job was cool though.

But it's really the most overrated book to be written in the western hemisphere.

>>12104305
No there isn't. Because it's boring, outdated, and most people are already probably familiar enough with its contents that they don't have to read it to understand any outside references to it.

[Anonymous No.12104337]

>>12104321
>its significance is unparalleled in western culture.
Homer is arguably more significant, and a better read.

[Anonymous No.12104338]

>>12104322
Can you please explain the nuances of this issue then?

[Anonymous No.12104356]

>>12104337
The Iliad is very similar to The Holy Bible.
>>12104338
The nuances are as such:

- you can call OP an anti Semite for posting an image with the Jew nose logo over some stuff

- you can’t call the guy you responded to an anti Semite because he’s stating that Jews control certain corporations. Big deal. It’s how it is, maybe not always, but many times, especially within the media.

- the correct response to that post is to respond by saying that pornographic sites aren’t media outlets, thereby proving he’s an idiot but you chose to call him an anti Semite, blasting him for an unrelated discussion

You can’t just walk around calling everyone an antisemite anymore, this isn’t the 00s

[Anonymous No.12104361]

>>12104328
>overrated
>boring
>outdated
Fortnite general is that way.

[Anonymous No.12104364]

>>12104337
Imagine actually believing this.

[Anonymous No.12104367]

>>12104328
Perhaps you shouldn’t bother reading it, you’re obviously retarded. I’m sorry for your loss.

[Anonymous No.12104388]

>>12104356
>You can’t call the guy you responded to an anti Semite because he’s stating that Jews control certain corporations. Big deal. It’s how it is, maybe not always, but many times, especially within the media.

But he's implying that Jews control the media, which is incredibly antisemitic. He's the kind of person who thinks "degeneracy" in the media like nudity and ultraviolence (honestly who gives a fuck) is somehow related to Jews. Like, what?

[Anonymous No.12104405]

>>12104261
Feras Antoon isn't even jewish what the fuck is this picture.

I'll be more sympathic toward antisemits if they weren't so jewish themselves.

[Anonymous No.12104409]

>>12104388
To say otherwise is to deny reality. You have to accept that Jewish people nepotistically have higher jobs in the media and financial institutions. I could explain WHY but it goes back hundreds of years

[Anonymous No.12104430]

>>12104409
Is it just true for media and financial institutions or is it also true for academic institutions as well?

[Anonymous No.12104437]

>>12104317
Jews own the media because they had a history of being banned from owning land and were forced into non land owning industries like banking and media. Is this not true?
>>12104319
Yes.

[Anonymous No.12104440]

>>12104437
Why were they banned from owning land?

[Anonymous No.12104444]

>>12104405
the COO clearly is though

[Anonymous No.12104451]

>>12104444
Quads Confirm

[Anonymous No.12104458]

>>12104444
That's not my point. His name is underligned in red implying he is jewish himself. That's a lie. That's manipulation.

>>12104440
They weren't banned from owning lands in every countries desu. Most of the hate stems from their statuts as middleman minority.

[Anonymous No.12104466]

>>12104458
Do you think usurious lending practices might have anything to do with antisemitism?

[Anonymous No.12104469]

>>12104430
Hmmm it depends. In Jewish schools there may be a preponderance ahah. I take an impartial stance on these things though. I’m not an antisemite.

I do think that some of them are in it for more money and when it comes to controlling the population I certainly think there may be something going on. Like for instance, IQ is no good. And it actually affects some people on here as well. It was interesting how it caught on here. Like it was being pushed and if you responded negatively to it, then you had a low IQ. I think that’s how it was spread in academia to be honest with you. Any sort of objective metric like that fails ultimately in the end to accurately gauge how capable someone is to learn. Most blocks in learning well are self imposed and the reality you live in has a way of cultivating these roadblocks in your own mind.

That’s my perception, unfortunately for the neuroscientists that doesn’t work. It starts becoming a problem when the system starts medicating the children while they’re in school. I’ve heard they can do that now.

Unbelievable. And that’s the other thing about psychotropics: they can make others behave a certain way as well. No good.

[Anonymous No.12104480]

>>12104440
Well in America only a very specific group of people were allowed to own land to begin with and that opened up as time went on. In Europe it was the same reasons that people give out now for why they should be removed from media. They want control, can't be trust, all that shit. I think of it as hate the game not the player. Making the shitty parts of society shittier to get rid of a scapegoat group will never fix the shit society.

[Anonymous No.12104486]

>>12104480
>scapegoat group

[Anonymous No.12104500]

>>12104364
Homer is the foundation of the west.

The Greeks admired Homer and considered him their Moses, and without the Greeks there is no west as we know it.

The Bible did not give us classical art and architecture. The Bible did not give us any philosophy that the Greeks hadn't already worked out beforehand. The Bible didn't give us science, mathematics, and engineering. The Bible did not give us theater.

The Bible is just a long winded tome that you ascribe high value to because you live in a society that has historically given it high value.

[Anonymous No.12104507]

>>12104430
Jews make up 67% of Harvard's graduate school students. 25% in other ivys. The bitched after it was discovered jews were only 20% at Princeton. This is 2% of the population.

[Anonymous No.12104508]

>>12104500
It’s a recording of some of the actions.

So is the Iliad technically, but of course they mistakenly ascribe God to many, instead of one

[Anonymous No.12104510]

>>12104508
>>12104500
Actions of God, sorry

[Anonymous No.12104512]

>>12104507
They have the most money that’s why

[Anonymous No.12104515]

>>12104361
>>12104367
Fuck off christcucks.

Your god is dead and he's not coming back.

[Anonymous No.12104522]

>>12104512
It's about jewish ethnic nepotism first and foremost.

[Anonymous No.12104529]

>>12104515
Sniff sniff God is dead Nietzsche said so!

[Anonymous No.12104535]

>>12104522
Meh, I don’t really worry about it too much.

It’s starts becoming harmful with the propagation of IQ and psychotropic drugs in tandem. That’s my foremost concern. See >>12104469

[Anonymous No.12104546]

>>12104317
spotted the jew boys

[Anonymous No.12104550]

>>12104337
Hahaha no you fucking child of a man

[Anonymous No.12104555]

>>12104550
>>12104529
Cope harder christcucks

[Anonymous No.12104566]

>>12104535
Well that's not a concern at all. Jews are using this power and the institutions our forefathers built to attack us, so we have to root them out and force them to make aliya.

[Anonymous No.12104586]

>>12104566
It is a concern. IT IS THE FOREMOST CONCERN.

IQ is an invention that benefits Jewish people primarily. Psychotropic drugs is another invention that may be benefiting Jewish people in ways you cannot perceive.

Wake up. It’s time to start to see how they want this system to function.

>>12104555
I am a Muslim like this fine gentleman

[Anonymous No.12104592]

>>12104261

Yes. General cultural understanding, so you can have a grounding in what the hell all these people you disagree with are even referring to, so that you can discuss/understand/debate/refute with some intelligence. Selections from the gospels, the pentateuch and assorted short stories are suggested readings.

[Anonymous No.12104595]

>>12104586
Only verbal IQ benefits jews. They suck at spatial reasoning which is why they can't innovate or create like Europeans can. Psychotropic drugs and the singularity are not going to be relevant anytime soon. Focus on rooting the jews out so they won't have access to future awesome Aryan-made drugs.

>I am a Muslim. So that's why you're retarded. Muslims are not welcome on lit, so you need to go now.

[Anonymous No.12104600]

>>12104466
That's partly what I said. Dutch got fucked over by that too
>>12104486
Middleman minority faggot. Some of those accusations aren't even true.

>>12104522

Nah, jews have a more efficient culture when it comes to learning. See russian jews peasant who were much more litterate than the other groups.

[Anonymous No.12104606]

>>12104586
>I am a Muslim
Oh fuck me that's even worse!

[Anonymous No.12104608]

>>12104595
Hey relax. So a couple things: IQ isn’t real.

Psychotropic drugs shouldn’t exist.

I’m not makin fun of you for not being a Muslim. That’s not how Muslims work

[Anonymous No.12104627]

>>12104600
>jews have a more efficient culture when it comes to learning. S
No they don't, it's pure rote, hence their lack of creativity.

>>12104608
/lit/ is a Muslim free place. Hit the exits, mudblood.

[Anonymous No.12104628]

>>12104586
>>12104608


>IQ is meaningless

Then why is it so closely linked to success and health?

I honestly don't even know if its bait or not.

[Anonymous No.12104632]

>>12104627
>No they don't

Nice counterargument faggot.

[Anonymous No.12104669]

>>12104632
Jewish learning is based on memorizing talmud passages about the semen quantity need to boil Jesus in, or the proper way for a rabbi to suck blood out of a baby dick, or how many goyim slaves are allotted by moloch to serve jews.

It's pure rote. Legalese. Jewish high IQ is limited to verbal IQ. When it comes to endeavors other than swindling, they're retarded.

[Anonymous No.12104671]

>>12104628
Because it’s a behavioral trait and success and health these days is defined as money and getting money is a behavioral trait.

There you go.

[Anonymous No.12104679]

>>12104669
You DONT. GET IT. You’re still falling for the IQ meme regardless.

Are the people who are just kind of accepting IQ trolling me or something?!? I mean if I WERE going to be anti semitic, that is the ONE THING I’d be anti Semitic about

[Anonymous No.12104698]

>>12104671
>its a behavioral trait
What?

>success is defined by money
And that's a pretty good mesure of how good you are.

>health is defined as getting money
No you absolute moron.

>>12104669
Very sensible argument, I see the light now thank you.

[Anonymous No.12104711]

>>12104261

[Anonymous No.12104775]

>>12104698
A behavioral trait is something that is there way you are. You are defined by many behavioral traits, IQ is one of them. Intelligence is not quantifiable. When it becomes quantifiable it goes into the realm of behavioral traits.
>And that's a pretty good mesure of how good you are.
‘Good’ of course as defined by your employers. Sometimes this is aligned with what ‘good’ should mean. Sometimes it is not.
>No you absolute moron
Yes you absolute buffoon. The more money you have, the longer you live. Not saying that is a good thing either, en masse I actually think it’s a bad thing. But that’s how it is.

[Anonymous No.12104835]

>>12104775
This post was written by a baboon.
I don't get why you bring up this behavioral trait thing. It doesn't do anything for your argument.

Self-employed people exists and employer gets money from society thus what they give you partly reflect what society think of your skill.

We can control for wealth, thus making your money comment useless.

[Anonymous No.12105460]

>>12104261

[Anonymous No.12105485]

>>12104669
So are you telling me free-thinking loners spend their time whining about retarded people for no reason?

[Anonymous No.12105813]

It's referenced by most all literature pre-1850 and a great deal after. It is worth it just so you're able to get the analogies and things of pretty much most things written after.

[Anonymous No.12106181]

>>12104328
t. brainlet
The Bible, if you think about it, has its books compiled in such a way that it culminates to one unified story. Each book has its own subplot (or in others prose or, in the case of most of the NT, discourse). The Psalms, Song of Songs, and Ecclesiastes are considered high literature from Jews, and it is true from how some of the verses taken from here are recognizable and influential to this day. Paul's writings in the NT are based in Greek philosophy and uses these to talk to the Greek world what the fundamental doctrine of the Christian faith. Yes, reading the Epistles needs intellect to understand and create meaningful discourse, and this is the reason why Paul's writings are the backbone of every missionary, pastor, and other theologians. The books also contain historical topics like the founding of Israel, the Davidic lineage, Exile of Judea, and the building of the First Church, as well as sociological and spiritual topics that hold true today like rape, murder, holy wars, the meaninglessness of pleasure, the concept of karmic suffering in the Bible and the mystery of God, cuckolding (I shit you not, its in Hosea), the battle between belief in god and religional traditions that stray us away from God, law vs the new covenant between Christ and the Church, and much more. If you think the Bible is boring you probably haven't touched the surface of it. Reading the Bible just once, and miss all the little details of it, will not make you understand what makes it so special. I suggest to all new readers of the Bible to study on the Inductive method on reading it, choosing the NLT or NIV version, and reading up commentaries of your choice for verses you don't understand.

[Anonymous No.12106195]

>>12106181
ya that’s really fuckin borin dude no one cares

[Anonymous No.12106212]

>>12104266
>The Bible, whether it is false or true, is unquestionably the greatest book ever written.

Care to telll me why there's nearly a page of "This person and this person birthed this person, lived this many years, and birthed this many people" and then immediately not do a single damn thing with any of them?

[Anonymous No.12106215]

>>12106195
ya okay dude, go miss out on a piece on literature here on /lit/
now that i think about it, what types of books do you read?

[Anonymous No.12106217]

>>12104437
This is true with media, but Jews basically invented banks millennia before.

[Anonymous No.12106256]

>>12106212
Context, man. Context.
Think why the author wrote that there. Why are those people important in this particular book? Who is it for? For example, why the book of Matthew lists the genealogy of Jesus starting from Abraham to David to Jesus is to convince the Jews that Jesus is a Jew and has the blood of the Kings, therefore concluding that Jesus is eligible to be the Messiah and the King of the Jews. The book is made specifically to convince Jews that Jesus is Messiah. Do the same with Luke.

[Anonymous No.12106269]

>>12106256
All but fucking two of them are introduced and then tossed aside without any fucking meaning. It's just fucking filler in between Adam & Eve to Cain & Abel.

[Anonymous No.12106302]

>>12106212
The Bible isnt there to entertain you. Once you realize the books arent written with you in mind and start understanding the context and how everything is related together then you will start getting entertained by the sheer genius of it. Of course by then you might as well recognize that it had to be inspired by Holy Spirit because even if you put 10 Hegels together you wont come close to the absolute that is the Bible.

[Anonymous No.12106348]

>>12106302
this.
>>12106269
It still comes down to context. Another example, Genesis 5. Why did the author write both the lineage of Cain and Seth? Why are they written accompanied with the number of years they lived?
One answer is that humanity's lifespan has declined as the population grew larger. It also tells us the number of years it took to arrive to Noah's time. Cain's line also represents how civilization developed due to his descendants achievements.
The two lineages represent the godly line and the "worldly" line and gives us insight to what civilization is like back then.
If you want to read the purpose of the authors on why they write these genealogies, I suggest you to read on commentaries that explain these. There are lots of explanations and contextual interpretation circulating online, and these are very much useful in deciphering the Bible.

[Anonymous No.12106360]

>>12104261
Nah, the good parts have been lifted from Stoicism, Platonism and other philosophies popular in the roman empire at the time of its early development. You are better off studying those in their originals rather than their warped amalgamation with desert myths and superstitions.

[Anonymous No.12106431]

>>12106256
It was just some sand dude that didn't know the basics of writing that shoved as many names as he could for no reason. Like the Catalogue of Dwarves from the Edda.

[Anonymous No.12106450]

>>12106360
To be fair, Paul's writings were the earliest books of the NT and it is heavily influenced by Greek philosophies like the ones you mentioned, as Paul was historically well-versed in philosophy and theology, so it is understandable to read on some Greek classical text to get what he was implying.
However, using this, he spuns his own take on the existing Jesus movement of the first Church to develop the doctrine of Christianity.
Each epistle, though initially concieved as a letter, is written with context and has its own theme, and it takes skill and knowledge to create something like this.
Note that the concept of grace and salvation was first mentioned in Romans. This became the foundation of what Christianity is today.
I believe that this is not desert myths and superstitions, but the modern evolution of Judaism for the thinking Greek, and the modern man.

[Anonymous No.12106472]

>>12104261
I'm not religious, but I've found it incredibly interesting. I would recommend it.

>>12104266
>unquestionably
Not really

[Anonymous No.12106481]

>>12106431
I disagree. Some scholars believe that a priest (possibly Moses) wrote this.
Priests of the Mosaic time have sufficient knowledge of writing and reading (especially Moses, since he claimed to have been taught by the Egyptians like a prince).
There might be some errors in the names, but by then, these names were all taken by word of mouth.

[Anonymous No.12106552]

>>12106212
>>12106256
Look up "Summerian King List". It was a common practice to keep long records of past rulers (real or not) to justify ones claim to kingship over a region.

It's also a common feature for the top members of the list, who are supposed to be the mythical progenitors of the line, to have extremely long life spans. We don't really know why. Might just be exaggeration for the sake of honoring the past king or the lists were created many generations later and the creators wrote down (partly) fictionalized oral records.

[Anonymous No.12106659]

>>12104835
Nothing you wrote counters any of my points. It’s just as hominems and empty rhetoric.

Try again.

[Anonymous No.12106671]

>>12106217
>Italians basically invented banks millennia before.
ftfy

[Anonymous No.12106696]

>>12106195
Dumbass

[Anonymous No.12106942]

>>12106659
It's okay you can admit you have no retort, and had no idea how IQ was mesured.

[Anonymous No.12106993]

Nixon would be turning in his grave to see the the pornographication of American culture.
Both the production and distribution of pornography should be capital offenses.

[Anonymous No.12106996]

>>12104261
No. Religion is a bunch of nonsense and it's not entertaining to read.

[Anonymous No.12107054]

>>12106993
Nixon is a retard. Great literature and art enrich people by giving them greater knowledge or insight. Reading filthy books does not take away any knowledge or insight acquired previously. Books don't work like magic scrolls in video games, you can't just blankly stare at pages without reading or understanding them and somehow get smarter or dumber in the process. They change your mind by convincing you in the form of argumentation and demonstration. Poorly educated people and poor thinkers might fall for bad arguments, but the only cure to that is further education, not less of it.

[Anonymous No.12107210]

>>12106431
>like the Catalogue of Dwarves.
Yeah, precisely you mongrel. Why do you think Tolkein wrote something like that? Have you gone through the Odyssey and Iliad? Genealogies are one of the fundamental genres of story. They tell you the path of both place and people. Use your imagination. Imagine the lives, and use the other information given in the genealogy to see how things came to pass.

My God, has modernism ruined the minds of men!

[Anonymous No.12107236]

>>12106472
The only other works which are remotely comparable are the Epic Cycles, the Vedas, and the Book of the Dead. Of those, only the Vedas survive in any meaningful capacity. And to draw the full comparison, in the Vedas we see a disorganized and ever expanding fictionalization, which causes instead of one single golden thread, a million strands each claiming to more true than the next. Of all the ancient texts, only the Bible has any sense of being a "completed" work, meaning that the intertextuality can be seen as more than mythic or folk reference, and rather be explored as its own meta-narrative which compliments and expands the meaning of each part. The works of Homer show this to a degree, but it is a pittance compared to the bible.

[Anonymous No.12107238]

>>12104261
Read Ovid instead.

[Anonymous No.12107245]

>>12106996
No one man should have all that ignorance.

[Anonymous No.12107246]

>>12107236
*factionalization, not fictionalization

[Anonymous No.12107262]

>>12107245
>Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.

[Anonymous No.12107278]

>>12106552
I think a lot of the weird ages for the OT guys has to do with the usage of a Lunar calendar instead of the Solar one the roman's used.

[Anonymous No.12107290]

>>12104698
Market manipulation should be all you need to understand money is NOT a good measuring stick for how good people are.

[Anonymous No.12107305]

>>12107262
Yeah I think Marcus Aurelius is a dumbass. what is a good life based on here?

[Anonymous No.12107314]

>>12107305
try making an argument next time.

[Anonymous No.12107319]

everyone reads Shakespeare or Homer during high school as they are viewed as foundations of modern society
yet no one reads the bible
eh

[Anonymous No.12107320]

>>12106993
fantastic logic.
also, if running up a hill burns calories, running down a hill will make you fat.

[Anonymous No.12107324]

>>12107314
Explain to me what he meant by good. Oh wait you need the definition of some sort of higher judgement to determine that!

[Anonymous No.12107350]

>>12107290
This. It's important not to get lost in the euphemisms of basic economics. The Market does not decide the value of goods. Individuals decide what things are most valuable to them. On a very basic level, assuming everyone is playing the same game by the same rules, the cumulative iteration of this process will reveal the generalized value of a good or service to the totality of actors. However, the individual is still the one making each transaction decision. When one hedge fund guy finds another hedge fund guy willing to make a particular trade, it is not the market determining their value to society, but each one deciding how valuable they are to each other, within the market. When these same individuals can influence the rules under which everyone behaves, the entire locus of the market shifts, and it won't really matter what most people find valuable, because the magnitude of their transactions, no matter how many engage in them, will pale in comparison to the isolated transactions of an insulated few. This is not inherently a problem, but it becomes a serious problem when those with that excessive market influence lack care or concern for everyone else in the market. It's true that, assuming their information is correct, the trade between those two hedge fund guys is a win-win scenario (assuming we're not talking about bets), but just because they have a win-win trade does not mean there are no losers, given the unavoidable fact of scarce resources.

[Anonymous No.12107352]

>>12107324
Depends on the definition of good. i don't know. doing something that makes you happy and doesn't cause harm of other people. it's entirely subjective.
I don't think he's talking about burning dogs,cats alive , for example

[Anonymous No.12107384]

>>12107352
So then he's just outright lying. Because somebody could say that doing drugs and wasting their life is good, and end up hated by everybody they know for throwing their life away. He can't be so deterministic if he really is talking about something subjective.

[Anonymous No.12107395]

>>12106195
What type of book do you read, i read a lot of classical or history book and the bible is very great and interesting read, i am not even christian.

[Anonymous No.12107396]

>>12107384
>Because somebody could say that doing drugs and wasting their life is good
maybe good it's what the general consensus of good is.

[Anonymous No.12107404]

>>12107324
>there can be no virtue without god
This is why religious people are the worst, without fear of punishment from above you'd be mass rapists and murderers

[Anonymous No.12107405]

>>12107396
So society has never been wrong before then?

[Anonymous No.12107408]

>>12107324
Judging by his writing, he considers good that which enables one to be a useful member of society, grow ones skills and understanding to acquire wisdom and to live with dignity.

[Anonymous No.12107415]

>>12104261
Despite what people will argue there are small pieces of wisdom hidden throughout both so yes

[Anonymous No.12107416]

>>12107405
maybe, but those were probably religious people :^)

[Anonymous No.12107420]

>>12107404
God IS virtue numbnuts not some guy sitting there waiting to punish us.

[Anonymous No.12107421]

>>12106195
>no one cares
>except the +2 billion people that follow Christianity
>And the +2 billion people that follow Islam, so care about the story
>And the other 3 billion that have constant and direct content with nations that follow these religions
The Bible is the most important book of the past 2000 years. There is no getting around that.

[Anonymous No.12107433]

>>12107420
>God IS virtue
And I'm the Queen of England.

[Anonymous No.12107434]

>>12107420
>God
define God.

[Anonymous No.12107441]

>>12106942
IQ is based upon a behavioral metric established by Jewish people. It has nothing to do with intelligence and is literally, like, the only thing within academia you should be suspicious of Jews for

[Anonymous No.12107450]

>>12107434
virtue

[Anonymous No.12107453]

>>12104261
The Bible has some interesting stories and very well writen in some places. Is a nice book overall, although can be awfully boring on the Old Testament, with all the laws and such.

[Anonymous No.12107458]

>>12107450
define virtue.

[Anonymous No.12107462]

>>12107420
>God is <whatever>
Why do religious people always think their own personal concept of God is universal and shared by all other members of their broader faith?

[Anonymous No.12107463]

>>12107404
Why if it helps people to be great, where is the problem ? Maybe not every people is strong as you .

[Anonymous No.12107471]

>>12107458
my dick

[Anonymous No.12107477]

>>12107463
Because religion doesn't make you great, it makes you a zealot

[Anonymous No.12107478]

>>12107462
Not a part of any faith. You just assumed that because you're looking to dislike me.

[Anonymous No.12107480]

>>12107471
Thanks for playing the game.

[Anonymous No.12107483]

>>12107477
Did you learn this in your science class? Gotta squash all those religious folks for being evil zealots!!!!

[Anonymous No.12107490]

GREAT thread

[Anonymous No.12107491]

>>12107462
Why do you think your personal concept of what religious people think is God is universal and shared by religious people?

The writings of the religious for millenia show that the shallow and materialist conception of God(s) put forward by contemporary atheists is completely alien to the teachings of most faiths. Burn the straw men, and put forward a real argument.

[Anonymous No.12107498]

>>12107491
If you don't believe in God do you go to hell? if not, where do you go?

[Anonymous No.12107510]

>>12107477
Yes if you see history it makes people great, it has allowed people to go beyond themseves.
Yes i agree the point on the zealot part, but you can be great and be a zealot too.

[Anonymous No.12107513]

>>12107441
>intelligence has nothing to do with behavior
You can dismiss anyone who thinks IQ is a pure measure of intelligence, but it remains the single strongest and most reliable correlate to intelligence. Given that there is as of yet no agreed upon definition of intelligence, IQ is likely the best proxy you will have.

[Anonymous No.12107519]

>>12107498
What do you think hell is? What do you think we mean when we say God? Don't mistake Renaissance aesthetics for actual dogma.

[Anonymous No.12107527]

>>12107513
>there is as of yet no agreed upon definition of intelligence
>X is most reliable correlate to intelligence

[Anonymous No.12107528]

>>12107498
You just stay here and bitch about how depressed you are and how unlucky you are despite not believing in God.

[Anonymous No.12107536]

>>12107491
If all members of a faith have different and even conflicting ideas of the most essential part of their faith, then they are not part of the same faith.

You can't come to consistent conclusions if you are not working with common basic assumptions. If you assume God exists, then the nature of God is one of those basic assumptions.

[Anonymous No.12107547]

>>12107528
>>12107519
>Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day.
>And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do.
>And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
>But He loves you.
>He loves you, and He needs money!
>He always needs money!
>He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money!

[Anonymous No.12107560]

>>12107547
That's not what I believe at all dude read what I posted earlier.

[Anonymous No.12107571]

>>12107547
Are you calling this not pushing yourself for an ideal ?

[Anonymous No.12107572]

>>12107547

[Anonymous No.12107575]

>>12107513
Rest assured, you’re a fucking retard.

People like to hold on to the idea of IQ so they can espouse Jewish ideas like Blacks being ‘dumber’ than most others like Mr. Steinburgs Bell Curve.

You neoreactionaries need a reality check: you are the ones brainwashed

[Anonymous No.12107581]

>>12107571
wanted to post the sixtine chapel. And how it can push people toward a goal.

[Anonymous No.12107584]

>>12107571
You may think it's beautiful but the intent was to be a display of power to impress the masses. Nothing more.

[Anonymous No.12107585]

>>12107547
>Y-yeah! Religion is about money!

George Carlin confirmed for retarded.

[Anonymous No.12107588]

>>12107478
Don't make absolutist statements if you are just representing your own personal beliefs in a thread about a particular religions scripture and doctrine.

[Anonymous No.12107589]

>>12107575
Sorry IQ has some reality, they were limit of IQ to enter some military force in the past. And they are correlation with success and IQ.

[Anonymous No.12107600]

>>12107581
>sixtine chapel

[Anonymous No.12107602]

>>12107527
You picked the right image. There is, as of yet, no agreed upon, complete definition of Gravity. Even Time and space we have only loose approximations. The nature of language makes the desired precision exceptionally difficult when it comes to unique and essential principles. And yet, despite our inability to perfectly define these things, we have enough agreement that we have developed extensive methods of working with, predicting, and studying these ideas further. IQ has proven to be the most reliable, in that nothing else consistently works as well in place of a perfect definition. Militaries around the world use IQ tests to help sort candidates. Schools develop a mixed IQ test to rank applicants. The LSAT is little more than an IQ and reading test. So, while philosophers and scientists continue to try and figure out "once-and-for-all" the essential nature of intelligence, the more practically minded have been using IQ for decades now with great success. It doesn't matter if it's perfect or complete--it works. Utility is the primary measure of any tool.

[Anonymous No.12107604]

>>12107536
As a society we are still grappling with if hes real or not we can't even begin to worry about the nature that asinine.

[Anonymous No.12107608]

>>12107589
For success in the military? Further reasoning why IQ has nothing to do with intelligence. The stupidest, most barbaric men survive in war.

Try to support your metric a little better.

[Anonymous No.12107615]

>>12107585
Why don't they pay taxes?

lmfao

[Anonymous No.12107616]

>>12107602
>the world does it so it must be correct!

I could point to countless examples where the world was incorrect, and proven wrong

[Anonymous No.12107619]

>>12107584
But why was it a display of power? Why do those images hold more weight than others? I used to think Religion stopped understanding, but now I see its atheism.

[Anonymous No.12107620]

>>12107585
Yeah, he's wrong. Religion is about power over the ignorant.

[Anonymous No.12107623]

>>12107604
What is real?

[Anonymous No.12107625]

>>12107615
Aha! That’s it! They’re after it for the tax exemption! Amazing.

Just pure ebin. Are you going to post this on /r/atheism or do you want me to?

[Anonymous No.12107630]

>>12107620
Hahahaha amazing dear friend! Have you read Nietzsche’s Gay Science yet? I can’t wait to spread AIDS with all my friends

[Anonymous No.12107633]

>>12107588
I can make absolutist statements all I want. They are true to me. You're just being a little bitch trying to worm his way out of being wrong.

[Anonymous No.12107635]

>>12107625
>missing the point
that's just an observation. why wouldn't they pay taxes if they take billions of dollars every year? sounds like a business to me, don't you think?

[Anonymous No.12107644]

>>12107635
Sure does. They must be in it for themselves, like any rational person would be, or something is wrong.

There would be no other reason to be collecting these sums of money, it’s not like they redistribute wealth or anything to the poorer classes, and it’s not like all farmers gave one tenth of their crops to the church for this very purpose! I mean, that would be absolutely absurd! Hahaha!

[Anonymous No.12107648]

>>12107536
That's not true at all. What matters is the kind and magnitude of their disagreement. But to some extent you're not wrong. This is why Jews and Christians do not believe themselves to be the same faith, and neither do Muslims. Many Christians do not think Mormonism can really be called Christianity. The Mormons think the differences are not as great as described by the rest. For it's entire lifetime, the Catholic Church and the Orthodox churches have been working to root out those ideas which are in conflict. This is why Catholics and the others insist so much on orthodoxy and tradition. All Catholics agree on the nature of God. All Orthodox agree on the nature of God. In fact, the Catholics, Anglicans, and Orthodox all agree on the nature of God. Their disagreements do not stem from cosmology, but from the theological implications of clerical disagreements. Instead of simply dismissing religions out of hand as silly superstitions, you should actually spend the time and engage with religion as philosophy. I think you'll be surprised by what you find.

[Anonymous No.12107649]

>>12107620
Religion is the opium of the people right faggot.
You are completly blind and not know history if you resume religion to this. I could give you example by example francois d'assise who give up power due to religion.

[Anonymous No.12107651]

>>12107625
Why does every major religious institution of Earth have a history of meddling with secular power?

[Anonymous No.12107653]

>>12107633
Wrong about what exactly? The only argument you made was that I have bad intentions because I want to dislike you.

[Anonymous No.12107656]

>>12107644
you keep talking gibberish. we're talking about taxes.
why don't they pay it?

[Anonymous No.12107659]

>>12107547
I ask you not to mistake Renaissance aesthetics for dogma, and what do you do? How is this so hard. Do you think worms live in wormholes?

[Anonymous No.12107669]

>>12107602
>There is, as of yet, no agreed upon, complete definition of Gravity
Of course there is, retard. We have no complete mathematical theory that would accurately describe it in concordance with our existing cosmological models, but we undoubtedly do know that "gravity" stands for universal attraction of matter and energy. Intelligence on the other hand is almost a nonsensical term considering how broad it is.
>they use this thing so it's good
No comment. Literally sub 20 iq.

[Anonymous No.12107670]

>>12107575
What sound does the frog make? Plebbit. Plebbit. Plebbit.

[Anonymous No.12107678]

>>12107651
Because they don’t. The churches in America have been historically separated from the government, which is the primary reason why religion is still so strong in the hearts and minds of Americans, because unlike Europeans, they detached themselves from the petty, whimsical affairs of a Republican state.

>>12107656
Yeahhhh hey lets go back to that other thing I was more comfortable with, haha! Cool, I could learn a thing or two from you: you simply do not care or give a fuck.

[Anonymous No.12107680]

>>12106256
It also convinced me that Jesus is a Jew and that's why I'm not a Christian. It's pretty funny how the best arguments against European Christianity are written down in the Bible itself.

[Anonymous No.12107686]

>>12107678
>Yeahhhh
>keeps avoiding the argument.
sigh...

[Anonymous No.12107689]

>>12107670
I’ve been accusing other people of being from Reddit.

Mark my words: you are making a grave error by not attributing the rise of IQ usage and psychotropic drugs to the institutions developed by primarily Jewish academics.

[Anonymous No.12107692]

>>12107686
They don’t pay taxes because they are doing a public service with the money. I would gladly pay them under the table if it meant that more people could find god, myself.

[Anonymous No.12107700]

>>12107616
Yeah, they were proven wrong by those things not working. Schools, militaries, etc. use IQ testing because it works. They do not care in the slightest where the philosophy stands. All they know and all they care about is that they can properly sort their applicants. So far, nothing has worked better. They know it works, because they see better performance. IQ is a strong predictor of success. It really doesn't matter what exactly it's measuring. It can be roughly understood as at least relating to intelligence. For the practical-minded, there's nothing left to debate.

[Anonymous No.12107701]

>>12107670
my side

[Anonymous No.12107711]

>>12107669
>There is an agreed upon definition
>puts gravity in quotes
You might have a point if Matter and Energy had satisfactory definitions. Also, I didn't say it's good because they use it. I said, we know it's useful because of how it is used.

[Anonymous No.12107718]

>>12107689
Not only have they been marked, they've been given a failing grade.

[Anonymous No.12107727]

>>12107700
Schools and militaries work.

It wouldn’t matter if the metric they are using to qualify their candidate does or not because human beings are extremely situational and would work no matter what.

If you give someone a gun and tell them to shoot, it doesn’t matter how stupid they are.

If you give someone a textbook and tell them to memorize terms, it doesn’t matter how stupid they are.

Theoretically, this could be proof of why IQ is bullshit. If it helps you place children within colleges, then why do idiots with a lot of money get in? Clearly money couldn’t be influencing their behavior and causing them to score higher on a behavioral metric? Surely they must just have some sort of innate pattern recognition ability even if certain socioeconomic classes might have different psychological profiles than others.

Surely certain races must be innately smarter than others. I’m going to go read The Bell Curve while I get assfufcked by my dom who is there because I can’t grt a girlfriend for some reason because I have behavioral characteristics that aren’t in line with a higher IQ (which is apparently equivalent to me being able to kill more people efficiently and memorize more psychotropics more efficiently AKA being an NPC)

You are a brainwashed pleb

[Anonymous No.12107730]

>>12107718
The world doesn’t work like an exam or test, anon.

[Anonymous No.12107736]

>>12107678
>the primary reason why religion is still so strong in the hearts and minds of Americans
is because you're poorly educated.

[Anonymous No.12107745]

>>12107736
Look at the statistics.

[Anonymous No.12107756]

>>12104500
I disagree with many of your claims. Many thinkers of metaphysics and philosophy were inspired by biblical concepts: Kant, John Locke, Descarte, etc.
-Gothic Architecture (i personaly very much prefer it to classical, neoclassical etc.)
-Greeks built the bedrock of philosophy, we still employ the concepts they originally talked about, so its a no brainer that chritianity took heavily from it.
-largescale humanitarianism instead of just a few wise men arguing what's right.
-the modern academy
-widespread literacy
-nation states

[Anonymous No.12107761]

>>12107648
I did not dismiss religions, maybe that's another anon. I criticized the idea that two people can have fundamental disagreements about the nature of God and still be part of the same faith. If a logical argument is based on a particular basic assumption, then it becomes incoherent when you change or remove that basic assumptions. Theologically two people with conflicting ideas of the nature of God are not speaking the same language or even live in the same conceptional universe.

Despite that I see it quite often that believers with incompatible views banding together under one faith umbrella. Maybe it works because they never discuss theology and just assume their beliefs are cross-coherent.

>In fact, the Catholics, Anglicans, and Orthodox all agree on the nature of God.
Maybe the theologians of those faiths have some kind of consensus, but I am not convinced it is shared by the common followers of those faiths. Every time I talk to one they give me a different concept of God. Still they cling to the same scripture, even though the meaning of the words inside change based on their idea of God.

[Anonymous No.12107762]

>>12107711
"Gravity" is a term that signifies a very particular natural phenomenon. And quotes are there to point that it's the signifier itself that I'm talking about, no the concept behind it, illiterate nigger.
>we know it's useful because of how it is used
No, you're saying it's useful because it's used, you colossal tard.
>IQ is a strong predictor of success
"A nebulous metric" is a strong predictor of "arbitrary subjective characteristic". Bravo, Nolan.

[Anonymous No.12107763]

>>12107736
I could also in adhominem.
What is your education ?
What book do you read ?
I am sure people like newton,descarte were not poorly educated.

[Anonymous No.12107778]

>>12106212
Kind of like that boat verse in the illiad

[Anonymous No.12107801]

>>12107262
This is actually a good way to live. And most anyone educated in chritian theology usualy echos aurilius' thought.

[Anonymous No.12107810]

>>12107763
>I am sure people like newton,descarte were not poorly educated.
conditioned since childhood

[Anonymous No.12107830]

>>12107810
And by not conditioning them at all we send them back to the ages before they discovered anything about morality.

Wonderful.

[Anonymous No.12107832]

>>12107810
Are you not ?

[Anonymous No.12107835]

>>12107810
IDK why people can't see religion as part of culture like in east asia. Im not religous in the slightest, but the ideas of fundimental christian values have informed my life, like pretty much everyone, even if they are self proclaimed athiests believe.

[Anonymous No.12107836]

>>12107830
You can teach morality without throwing sky wizards in

[Anonymous No.12107842]

>>12107836
So the sky wizard is what invalidates the objective morals for you? The fact that these objective morals exist and are congruent to the objective morals given us by God isn’t telling at all?

[Anonymous No.12107845]

>>12107836
When you see the stat of the western world i will conclude that you need to do it .

[Anonymous No.12107867]

>>12107842
Why do morals need to be objective?

[Anonymous No.12107886]

>>12107867
There are certain, fundamental principles of life that are immutable and inconceivably similar across religions over the globe. These are the commandments God gave Moses. If that isn’t proof right there, I am not sure what is

[Anonymous No.12107889]

>>12104284
Please delete this.

[Anonymous No.12107901]

>>12107836
God is usually considered the be all and end all. basically the universe in of itself. You can definitely argue against specific dogma, but the belief in God basicly equates to the belief in some moral consistancy within the universe a la Karma, or Buddhism. You don't have to believe in this, but its not something as absurd as a "sky wizard".

[Anonymous No.12107908]

>>12107886
>There are certain, fundamental principles of life that are immutable and inconceivably similar across religions over the globe.
They aren't though. Some religions even demand things that are banned in the ten commandments like ritual killings

[Anonymous No.12107913]

>>12107867
They don't. its simply a way of seeing the world from a moraly universal standpoint, which would seem realistic to a people who cannot explain everything, such as humans throughout most of history.

[Anonymous No.12107927]

>>12107908
Hahahahha, they had offerings that were given to God within the Old Testament you fool. Killing animals is not going against the commandments.

God you people are dumb. I’m so done with this

[Anonymous No.12107929]

>>12107927
I am talking about ritual killings of humans you genius

[Anonymous No.12107939]

>>12107908
>Some religions even demand things that are banned in the ten commandments like ritual killings
Do you know about a guy named Isaac

[Anonymous No.12107943]

>>12107929
Then that wouldn’t be murder, which is what the commandment is against. Not killing. Murder

[Anonymous No.12107950]

>>12107943
Nice universal god given morality you got there anon

[Anonymous No.12107967]

>>12107950
Yeah but you didn’t prove me wrong, because ritual killings aren’t murders. I’m sure God didn’t command it, but if they were done in Gods name then he would have appreciated it.

I’m sure he appreciated it when they made offerings to Zeus, also. Or Poseidon. Because it is God that controls the storms, thunder, and seas, and no one else.

Clearly you will see one day how wrong you are, trying to live in a cave

[Anonymous No.12107985]

>>12107913
If there are various competing moral systems that all function somewhat well, then why not abandon the pretense of objectivity based on the appeal to authority?
A well functioning moral system creates a well functioning society. It doesn't need to be based on some universal truth. If it works, it works. I don't see why we need to keep religion around to enforce it by the means of dogma when we can just use pragmatism instead.

[Anonymous No.12108027]

>>12107727
You're schizophrenic dude. Get help.

[Anonymous No.12108065]

>>12107761
Would you ask a lay person to explain the theory of relativity? Does their lack of understanding mean they don't trust the people who do understand it? Does it make them part of a separate school of physics?

[Anonymous No.12108075]

>>12107762
You have yet to actually provide the definition, though. Intelligence refers to a real phenomenon. Some people are smarter than others. It is an unavoidable truth. I did not say it's useful because it's used. I said we can know that it is useful by the way it is used. IQ is not a nebulous metric. It's a very specific metric. When you take an IQ test, you get a specific score. When we chart overall life performance, those who scored higher on the test do better, in general, than those who score lower. We know the test is related to intelligence, there just isn't an agreement by psychologists and philosophers on what exactly intelligence means. Intelligence is nebulous. IQ is not.

[Anonymous No.12108080]

The only people who suggest that the Bible is irrelevant have never read it in full.

[Anonymous No.12108084]

>>12107836
There are no sky wizards. That is your own invention. That is your own retarded conclusion after looking at Renaissance paintings. What you are doing now is why Islam bans graven images--they do not want people to confuse the idea for the representation of the idea. God is not portrayed as an old man because people thought he was an old man; rather, old men represented wisdom and status, and other attributes they wanted to visually communicate about God.

[Anonymous No.12108100]

>>12108084
Does it make a difference if he's a literal old man or not? It's still a fabricated figure

[Anonymous No.12108118]

>>12108065
That's a false equivalency since it is not matter of education. The concept of God held by an illiterate is just as valid as the concept of God held by a scholar.

A regular physics layman has at least some basic ideas of the nature of the physical universe that are in line with the theories of the experts. On the contrary someone who believes the earth is flat and the universe revolves around the earth can't work with basically any part of our physics. For him our predictions would be widely incoherent. Of course this example is somewhat silly because we can demonstrate that the earth is not flat. But you can't demonstrate the nature of God.

[Anonymous No.12108129]

>>12108100
even if is a "fabricated figure" it matters. is like saying that rain is an ginger girl. is retarded.

btw, all those pictures of Jesus Crist, pure euro-centrism.

[Anonymous No.12108131]

>>12104356
>The Iliad is very similar to The Holy Bible
yea, and better

[Anonymous No.12108148]

>>12104261
some old testament books are pure gold.
The song of salomon and ecclesiastes for instance.

[Anonymous No.12108159]

>>12106212
>>12107778
Both are products of a preliterate oral tradition. It would have sounded better than it reads, and it was intended to be an oral history, not merely narrative (which is the sort of literature you are most likely used to).

[Anonymous No.12108166]

>>12108129
And what is problem about being euro-centrism ?
Most of european culture is eurocentrist too.

[Anonymous No.12108172]

How the fuck is a board about literature and culture so fucking cucked by religion. I swear 4chan is the worst website on the internet. I hope the nuke completely dismantles this shithole or it gets overrun by feminist redditors

[Anonymous No.12108176]

>>12104261
I'm pretty sure BLACKED is owned by a non-Jew, so your theory is wack

[Anonymous No.12108180]

>>12108166
>we wuz jezus

[Anonymous No.12108182]

>>12108027
>the world can’t ever be wrong

You haven’t actually presented any reasonable arguments, and calling someone schizophrenic is simply an ad hominem

[Anonymous No.12108192]

>>12108180
??
Christianity was for a long time basicaly only practiced in europe. And it becames a really important part of european culture. How it is wrong for european to celebrate european culture ?

[Anonymous No.12108204]

>>12108192
I guess you are the type of faggot which will claim that european are no culture ?

[Anonymous No.12108222]

>>12108176
>I'm pretty sure BLACKED is owned by a non-Jew
You're wrong. It is owned by a Jew (obviously). So I'm glad I could clear that up for you.

[Anonymous No.12108223]

>>12108204
have no culture

[Anonymous No.12108224]

>>12108192
who cares, is just more ego-masturbation.

[Anonymous No.12108235]

>>12108224
not an argument

Ego masturbation wich lead european to dominate the world and create civilisations and empires and litterature which have never been surpassed is far from being bad.

[Anonymous No.12108244]

>>12106195
Get the fuck off this board, cuck.

[Anonymous No.12108247]

>>12104261

the book of revelation has some powerful descriptions desu.

[Anonymous No.12108266]

>>12108235
more ego-masturbation. I guess it feels good. uh?

[Anonymous No.12108281]

>>12108266
Not responding to any of my argument, only adhominem, how being a nigger and a faggot look like.

[Anonymous No.12108329]

>>12104261
understand the cultural references same reason to read the journey west

[Anonymous No.12108335]

>>12104261
book of job

[Anonymous No.12108412]

>>12107830
>before they discovered anything about morality.
So, before the Greeks?

[Anonymous No.12108695]

>>12107756
>Many of the same thinkers were also inspired by Greek philosophy, which as you mentioned also informed Christianity itself
>While gothic architecture obviously arose in a christian society, the style itself was a natural evolution of earlier church architecture that was also an evolution of earlier Greco-Roman temple and basilica forms
>No argument there
>True but humanitarianism may not always be a good thing (see modern africa as an example)
>Partially true
>More of a natural outcome of technological advancement and higher quality of life than a direct result of Christianity
>Again, modern nation states are the result of a diverse array of historical circumstances than a direct result of christianity

[Anonymous No.12108770]

>>12108412
Correct, yes

[Anonymous No.12108784]

>>12107547
>invisible man in the sky
Literally no monotheistic religion believes this. God exists outside of the universe.
>special list of things not to do
dude what are laws lmao
dude what is morality lmao
>sends you to hell
Nope! you send yourself to Hell. If you dont want to exist with God then why would He force you to? He respects your autonomy
>He needs money
What?

Oh well. Im sure the demons of Hell find him to be a riot though.

[Anonymous No.12108802]

>>12107761
>>12108065
Actually its the other way around. The laity have a solid and simple understanding of their sphere of Christendom while theologians examine the small differences with such autistic passion that they create problems that practically speaking rarely exist outside their head.

[Anonymous No.12108804]

>>12104317
you must be new here
you say >>>/pol/ and then nothing else, everyone knows what that means
don't embarrass yourself mate
<3

[Anonymous No.12108853]

>>12108784
>dude what are laws lmao
>dude what is morality lmao

Sorry anon, but laws have nothing to do with morality and even religion.
On the contrary, one should try to avoid dealing with morality when formulating new laws, dealing primary with principles (like the right to live, the right of freedom of speech, freedom of press, human rights, etc).

If you start mixing morality with law, you get shit like capital punishment for adultery, debauchery and other things; it's a disaster.

[Anonymous No.12109216]

>>12108853
Incorrect, and it's foolish to think you can separate morality from law. Only white people care or try to but law is still based on culture.

[Anonymous No.12109406]

>>12107680
That's ridiculous because it overlooks the fact that the Jews do not consider Jesus as the Messiah, the cornerstone of Christianity.
It's a Semitic religion like Islam, but the point was that it diverges from Judaism in very big ways that anti-semites can never answer.
They say that Jesus was a Jew therefore Christianity is Jewish.
This overlooks the unique culture that Christianity has generated and the fact that Judaism has historically been at odds with Christianity through numerous wars and arguments over the Holy Land.
Jesus being born a Jew does not change Christianity's extreme divergence high lighted by Martin Luther and Belloc.
This doesn't go into the supposed stories in the Talmud that are extremely anti-christianity and anti-Jesus (I never read them or believe that they exist, but I'm including them for arguments sake).

[Anonymous No.12109429]

>>12109406
>They say that Jesus was a Jew therefore Christianity is Jewish.

And his whole merry troop of jews pushing it on Roman plebs to weaken the state were jewish too, as were the jews in Charlemagne's court who paid him to force it on the Germanic tribes later. It was really much further down the line, with kikes like Spinoza, that Christianity was decided to be no longer working for jews.

But let's be frank here, your only interest with your whiny post was to voice your butthurt over other whites making fun of you for your inability to stop worshipping your own enemy like an utter fool.

[Anonymous No.12109459]

>>12109429
You're the same cunt in every other /lit/ thread, spouting this horse shit without any references.

>Jews forces Christianity onto Rome
When? After they were obliterated by the Romans and subjugated by them until the collapse of Western Rome centuries after converting to Christianity?
You're a LARPing Pagan faggot who doesn't know shit about history. It's why you're a pagan in the first place.

[Anonymous No.12109463]

>>12107290
Yes it does show that some people are good at manipulating thing or at profitering.

>>12107441
At least answer my arguments dude. Anyway you've been proven wrong in this thread and with this post it is clear that your position on IQ is entirely based on your tiny feeling.

[Anonymous No.12110490]

>>12107762
>Success is an arbitrary subjective characteristic

Is that what you tell your mom when she calls you out on being a failure?

[Anonymous No.12111733]

>>12104261
You will defend pros and cons of it. You will hear about it for the rest of your life, and be able to code-switch as necessary to save it if necessary. Merits of basic humanism (minus the anti-gay shit) and framework of Humanist Philosophical progress has not stopped (from Aristotle to Hume to Post-Modernism) has Christianity as the groundwork, so you will want to join that conversation as needed. You can get without it (as the Chicago Prussian Bar types don't even read) but I find your life is greatly enhancing. Oh, were you just sneaking /pol here, oh you

[Anonymous No.12112128]

>>12104261

No.

[Anonymous No.12112176]

>>12109429
The more I read your posts. The more I think you sound like an anti-gentile than anti-semite, and this is from someone who's kind of antisemitic.

[Anonymous No.12112770]

>>12104388
> implying that Jews control the media

Its a fact, not an implication. When less than .5% of the human population is involved this heavily in finance, media, marketing and politics it should be more than acceptable to point out this fact, and ponder on the nature of how and why this came to be.