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Because the texts are so old and have been so culturally impactful theres been sort of a trickle down effect. A person whos never even heard the name plato before can read his works and will already be familiar with these exact talking points by just existing in a society that Plato's work shaped. Theres no revelation to be found for an average man here. The Greeks are like a chewed up piece of bubble gum, no flavour left

You know im right kid

>> No.12088556

>The Greeks only wrote philosophy

>> No.12088602

>>12088556
The poems, novels, dramas and dialogues all share the same quality. They are too successful to be anything more than relics of the past. The colors the greeks laid out are primary's for anybody who grew up in a western country. Even those that dont care for history will understand them

>> No.12088611

>>12088524
I’m not even joking I love reading Plato, he’s entertaining as fuck

Aristotle is dry as fuck though I can barely get through him

>> No.12089884

>>12088524
nice I read the Wikipedia too

>> No.12089961

>he hasn't read Herodotus, Thucydides or Plutarch

>> No.12090413

>>12088524
That's a lie. I've read close to half of his dialogues and they bring revelations to those willing to let go of their presumptions. His works change the way you look at things forever.

>> No.12090419

>>12090413
You're just forcing yourself to see things that aren't really there.

>> No.12090446

They are products of culture over 2000 years old, what the fuck do you want them to mean? Every single product of culture belongs to its time. My advice, ignore classicism and read them under the light of being a unique culture, with its own world view and cosmology, like you would read a book a book about the Aztecs, this is what Nietzsche essentially did and came up with the Birth of Tragedy, that is genealogy and not history.

>> No.12090463

>>12088524

Read the Parmenides and tell me this is the familiar Plato you absorbed through osmosis.

It's like comparing dirty rain-water to 80 proof vodka.

>> No.12090469

>>12090463
I hate vodka

>> No.12090483

>>12090469
i hate you only you and nobody else but you

>> No.12090532
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12090532

>>12088524
>reading philosophy for the content
This is what happens when you start kids of with calculations instead of with propositional logic

>> No.12090537

>>12090532
what else would you read it for?

>> No.12090618 [DELETED] 

>>12090446
Best advice in this thread. This is exactly what I did. I read as much as I could about myth, all the gods, the heroes, tales. I read a lot of works on philology to understand certain terminology, how it changed over time, but also how the translations often miss the meaning of things. Read about the culture of the plays they put in a religious sense. Whole bunch of other stuff.

>> No.12090671

>>12090537
the prose

>> No.12090698

>>12090419
I think you're being willfully ignorant. I suppose all the other great works that followed in response didn't see anything either right?

>> No.12090744

This goes for pretty much the entire western cannon. I've never understood the appeal surrounding Machiavel when everything he says is so ingrained into us that you realized all of it by the time you turned 8. I talk about this with my dad all the time. The existence of plebs physically hurt me I wish I was kidding

>> No.12090834

>>12088524
>A person whos never even heard the name plato before can read his works and will already be familiar with these exact talking points by just existing in a society that Plato's work shaped
>Plato's writings and his philosophy are the same thing
So you haven't actually read Plato then?

>> No.12090946

>>12088524
I recently started reading Plato and I'm really enjoying it. There's a difference between hearing his ideas through interpretations of others and actually reading his works themselves, and they're also just really interesting and entertaining in themselves