/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12071057]

>Dostoevsky, Fyodor. Dislike him. A cheap sensationalist, clumsy and vulgar. A prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. Some of his scenes are extraordinarily amusing. Nobody takes his reactionary journalism seriously.
what did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.12071063]

>implying anyone cares about Nabokov's pitiful attempts at criticism

[Anonymous No.12071081]

>>12071063
He probably knew Dosto better than you do.
>I must have been twelve when forty-five years ago I read Crime and Punishment for the first time and thought it a wonderfully powerful and exciting book. I read it again at nineteen, during the awful years of civil war in Russia, and thought it long-winded, terribly sentimental, and badly written. I read it at twenty-eight when discussing Dostoevski in one of my own books. I read the thing again when preparing to speak about him in American universities. And only quite recently did I realize what is so wrong about the book.

[Anonymous No.12071108]

>>12071057
Nabokov had notoriously bad taste

[Anonymous No.12071114]

>>12071108
Notorious among those with awful taste.
He was literally never wrong about anyone

[Anonymous No.12071121]

>>12071114
"yes he was"

[Anonymous No.12071124]

>>12071081
I first read it when I was 11, so I win.
>Nabokov, Vladimir. A one hit wonder, beloved of college freshmen eager to showcase their limited intellectual credentials. Unable to write compelling novels, so snipes at those who can

[Anonymous No.12071127]

>>12071114
This. Dosto, Mann, and Faulkner were all hacks, but this board just can't accept it.

[Anonymous No.12071132]

>>12071124
you're not a very well read person if you think Nabokov was a one hit wonder

[Anonymous No.12071134]

>>12071132
I mean hit in terms of sales. All his work is trash. He's someone you grow out of

[Anonymous No.12071137]

>>12071121
On a side note Wind and the Willows is severely underrated

[Anonymous No.12071141]

>>12071127

[Anonymous No.12071142]

>>12071134
>I mean hit in terms of sales

Compared to who, Stephen King?

[Anonymous No.12071143]

>>12071081
Is there more of this?

[Anonymous No.12071144]

>>12071124
>I first read it when I was 11, so I win.

lol Nabby wasn't even bragging there, he literally sees it as middle school tier without even thinking

[Anonymous No.12071150]

>>12071134
>in terms of sales
imagine talking about sales instead of literary merit who gives a shit. dostofags are so retarded.

[Anonymous No.12071161]

>>12071150
nabokov has no literally merit.

[Anonymous No.12071168]

>>12071144
Middle schoolers usually have better taste than the college freshmen who clutch their Nabokov. They haven't started posing yet and read on merit

[Anonymous No.12071169]

>>12071057
Who cares what this pedophile thought?

[Anonymous No.12071170]

>>12071161
*no literary merit

[Anonymous No.12071174]

>listening to the opinions of a pseud
SHIGGYDIGGY
Nabokov talked shit on works and artists far above his level

[Anonymous No.12071178]

>>12071143
He has an entire essay on Crime and Punishment

[Anonymous No.12071179]

>>12071134
>All his work is trash.
not at all, you can disagree with his opinions if you like but he was a first rate writer

[Anonymous No.12071184]

>>12071178
Cheers lad

[Anonymous No.12071203]

>Faulkner, William. Dislike him. Writer of corncobby chronicles. To consider them masterpieces is an absurd delusion. A nonentity, means absolutely nothing to me.

[Anonymous No.12071264]

Felt compelled to do this

[Anonymous No.12071352]

>>12071203
>dabs on author that atomizes Nabokov's literary achievements

[Anonymous No.12071390]

So who did he actually liked?

[Anonymous No.12071392]

>>12071390
Nabokov

[Anonymous No.12071419]

>>12071390
Shakespeare, Milton, Janes Austen, Tolstoy, Kafka, Joyce, Beckett, early Proust
Many others and he's generous with his praise when he does love someone

[Anonymous No.12071436]

>Conrad, Joseph. A favorite between the ages of 8 and 14. Essentially a writer for very young people. Certainly inferior to Hemingway and Wells. Intolerable souvenir-shop style, romanticist clichés. Nothing I would care to have written myself. In mentality and emotion, hopelessly juvenile. Romantic in the large sense. Slightly bogus.

>Intolerable souvenir-shop style

What the fuck did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.12071442]

>>12071057
Old pedo sadsack of shit acting like he's talented and relevant.

[Anonymous No.12071456]

Nabokov's criticisms are easily the worst things about him but 'corncobby chronicles,' 'claptrap journalist' and 'slapdash comedian' are always going to make me laugh

[Anonymous No.12071465]

>>12071456
They're the best thing about him once you realize he's just shitposting IRL

[Anonymous No.12071517]

>>12071390
Bely, Joyce, Kafka, Gogol, Tolstoy.

[Anonymous No.12071531]

>>12071456
"A nonentity. Means absolutely nothing to me" always gets me.

[Anonymous No.12071544]

>>12071419
He disliked Tolstoy's War and Peace and Joyce's Finnegan's Wake and thought the second half of In Search of Lost Time was garbage.

[Anonymous No.12071555]

>>12071057
Nabokov was a pseud and incredibly insecure, Dostoyevsky was a genuine artist, inspired genius and man of his age, all of which upsets the pedophile sociopath Nabokov. Irony is that his Christianity, his "reaction ideals", didn't bother Nietzsche who was a virulent anti-theist but admired his work all the same. >>12071127
Faulkner was a hack, Dostoyevsky was not, and never pretended to talent he didn't have, unlike Nabokov and Faulkner

[Anonymous No.12071559]

>>12071419
based

[Anonymous No.12071575]

>>12071555
>Faulkner was a hack,
>Dostoyevsky was not,

[Anonymous No.12071628]

>>12071436
I believe he is alluding to the more lurid, dicey style is storytelling found in dimestore novels

[Anonymous No.12071639]

>>12071575
Having a soul makes a world of difference, so yes. Being erudite and eloquent is basically meaningless if you have nothing to say and no power behind your speech. This is why people like Barack Obama, who are obviously above average intelligence and dominant verbally, are inferior to simpler but more spirited types like Trump or Putin.

[Anonymous No.12071643]

>>12071544
Haven't read War and Peace yet but who the fuck actually likes Wake as anything but a meme and most people agree Proust peaked with Swann's Way

[Anonymous No.12071651]

>>12071639
Admit it, you never read Faulkner
Only people who just know him from le Hemmingay feud think he's particularly erudite (he really isn't)

[Anonymous No.12071680]

>>12071544
>thought the second half of In Search of Lost Time was garbage
He wasn't wrong.

[Anonymous No.12071707]

>>12071643
>most people agree Proust peaked with Swann's Way
Nobody who actually read the whole thing would say this. It starts getting good with Budding Grove

[Anonymous No.12071721]

>>12071707
>Nobody who actually read the whole thing would say this.

With all 5000 pages that's a self selecting demographic there

[Anonymous No.12071726]

>>12071643
ive seen a bunch of people on here talk about how much they like the Wake, how beautiful parts of it are. I can sort of see what they mean at parts, but i dont really understand why they like it so much.

Then again I felt the same way about Ulysses, I generally don't care much for experimental fiction.

[Anonymous No.12071739]

>>12071639
>Being erudite and eloquent is basically meaningless if you have nothing to say
You've never read him

[Anonymous No.12071857]

>ctrl+f
>"ghastly rigmarole"
>0 results

For shame /lit/

[Anonymous No.12071874]

>>12071857
he really did have a way with words

[Anonymous No.12071882]

>>12071739
There is nothing there, its vapid bourgeois nothings for MFA's to fawn over. He was a faggot hack and his work is a shameful indictment of the literati, much like Nabokov's.

[Anonymous No.12071892]

>>12071882
you're just a plain shitty reader if you found nothing in Nabokov's writing

[Anonymous No.12071896]

>>12071057
Nabokov, Vladimir. Dislike him. Pompous blowhard, full of himself. Ego. A skilled artist, a elitist prick and a self-flattering twatter. Some of his scenes are extraordinarily well written. Nobody takes anything else about him seriously.

[Anonymous No.12071902]

>>12071896
You forgot puffed up, second rate

[Anonymous No.12071919]

>>12071639
Ah, I see you are also aware of that little known feud between Hemingway and Faulkner. What a handy way to justify not reading one of the most important writers of modernity.

[Anonymous No.12071953]

Funny how an amazing writer has such shit taste.

[Anonymous No.12072039]

>>12071057
Overrated writer. Ask anyone for their favorite passages and they can only come up with Lolita's opening. Lack of humanity or emotion in his works.

[Anonymous No.12072043]

>>12071882
now THIS is a hot take

[Anonymous No.12072052]

>>12072039
what you mean is it's the only passage you remember because you're a shitty reader

[Anonymous No.12072058]

>>12071057
Nabokov, Vladimir. Not fond of him. Mediocre prose stylist, vapid and vulgar. A shit critic, unimaginative professor and rampant pedophile. Some of his scenes are extraordinarily raunchy, and the rest are uninspired. Nobody takes his criticism seriously.

[Anonymous No.12072066]

>>12072039
>Ask anyone for their favorite passages and they can only come up with Lolita's opening

I have about 12 from Pale Fire, several from Speak Memory and many expressions that still make me grin from Pnin
Haven't even read Lolita yet

[Anonymous No.12072068]

>>12071057
Nabokov's a good writer but his opinions are horseshit

[Anonymous No.12072073]

>>12072058
>Mediocre prose stylist,
m8

[Anonymous No.12072075]

I can't take Dostoevsky seriously anymore all because of Jordan Peterson

[Anonymous No.12072080]

>>12072075
Dostoevsky is best read as a comic author assuming you are above the age of 18

[Anonymous No.12072086]

>>12072039
Who is your favorite writer?

[Anonymous No.12072093]

>>12072086
probably Dosto or Faulkner

[Anonymous No.12072094]

>>12072073
that's the point anon

[Anonymous No.12072096]

>>12072066
>I have about 12 from Pale Fire, several from Speak Memory and many expressions that still make me grin from Pnin
Doncha just love Nahbohkov!!!

[Anonymous No.12072105]

>>12072096
2/10 is the best I can do

[Anonymous No.12072107]

>>12072066
Post some excerpts anon.

[Anonymous No.12072121]

>>12071639
Faulkner and Hemingway were just having some bantz and acknowledged that themselves, you cucked yourself out of some great literature

also

>admiring Trump and Putin

see pic

[Anonymous No.12072128]

>Nabokov, Pynchon and Wallace are like, my gods!

[Anonymous No.12072155]

>>12072128
you're really upset, aren't you?

[Anonymous No.12072179]

nabokov fucking sucks and is a hater full of ressentiment, he's the literary equivalent of indie rock or some shit for unmusical contrarian hipster soi boys

[Anonymous No.12072207]

>>12072179
Crack-Up is Fleet Foxes best album and the most important musical achievement in recent years

[Anonymous No.12072259]

>>12072207
>Rock music
>important
1974 want their opinion back Dad. Rock has been irrelevant since disco emerged

[Anonymous No.12072274]

>>12072259
Rock is the ultimate transcendental form, everything else are mere passing fads. The Universe will go dark to the noise of Rock

[Anonymous No.12072288]

>>12072274
>dat Venn diagram of people who think rock is good music and people who think Nabokov is a good novelist

[Anonymous No.12072311]

>>12072288
Its literally the only music that can still stand up to the call of sincerity. Nigger bops meanwhile are in a meme-overdosed death spiral

[Anonymous No.12073339]

>>12072039
The part where Dolly is eating an apple infront of HH, the part where HH is reading the supposed Charlotte Haze letter.

[Anonymous No.12073348]

>>12071057
I like Nabby, but I also like Dosto.

[Anonymous No.12073352]

>>12072311
folk, country, jazz, i could go on

[Anonymous No.12073360]

Faulkner > Dosto > Nabokov

[Anonymous No.12073616]

>Plato. Not particularly fond of him.

Lol damn vlad

[Anonymous No.12073623]

>>12071436
>Romantic in the large sense
what does this mean by this?

[Anonymous No.12074075]

>>12071882
You've never read him.

[Anonymous No.12074106]

>>12071639
go back to pol, cringelord

[Anonymous No.12074179]

>>12071057
Nabakov seems like a gigantic faggot.
>>12071639
>Trump or Putin
I almost fell for your retardation. Almost. Try harder next time sub human.

[Anonymous No.12074199]

>>12074106
>>12074179
Orangeman bad

[Anonymous No.12074219]

>>12071392
This is true.

[Anonymous No.12074356]

>>12072259
>>12072274
>>12072288
>>12072311
>The fact that so many books still name the Beatles as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success. The Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worthy of being saved.

[Anonymous No.12074383]

>>12074356
>comparing the taste of academic fart sniffers to genuine fans

[Anonymous No.12074394]

>>12074383
Oh, anon. Sweet, precious anon.

[Anonymous No.12074402]

>>12074394
N-no Piero, please

[Anonymous No.12074510]

>>12074356
Someone should make a Nabokov version of this pasta.

[Anonymous No.12075001]

>>12071057
He understands nothing and his perception is limited by his love for empty form/beautiful prose but i'd kill to have his vocabulary prowess

[Anonymous No.12075097]

>>12074394
what´s this guy deal? i went to his website and he analises whatever form of media like an autistic kid

[Anonymous No.12075233]

Christfags mad? Nabokov had a midas touch, almost everything he wrote was gold until Ada. What the fuck was the man thinking with that? Somehow its pedophilia is way more disgusting than in Lolita, though more restrained, the prose is essentially self parody, his talent for narrative has gone out the window too.
At his worst, as in his last three novels, he is a worthless writer; at his best, he is incomparable and inimitable.

[Anonymous No.12075246]

>>12074510
The fact that so many undergraduates still name Nabokov as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" 20th century novelist only tells you how far the novel still is from becoming a serious art. Poetry critics have long recognized that the greatest poets of all times are Alexander Pope and Homer, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Theatre critics rank the highly controversial Shakespeare over playwrights who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Novel critics are still blinded by sex with underage girls. Nabokov features more cunny than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore he must have been the greatest. Poetry critics grow up reading a lot of poetry of the past, theatre critics grow up attending a lot plays of the past. Novel critics are often totally ignorant of the novels of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that Nabokov did anything worthy of being saved.

[Anonymous No.12075257]

>>12075233
actually Transparent Things was a good little book

[Anonymous No.12075765]

>>12075246
It would be funnier and more believable if it was written from the perspective of Nabokov on Dostoevsky

[Anonymous No.12075773]

>>12075001
>vocabulary prowess
I can see why

[Anonymous No.12075808]

>>12075773
kek