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Anonymous Mon Nov 12 13:02:17 2018 No.12070751 [Reply] [Original]

>Proust
>Flaubert
>Moliere
>Hugo
>Rabelais
>Montaigne
>Chretian
>Zola
>Ballsack
>Baudelaire
>Rimbaud
>Verlaine
>Huysmans
>Genet
>Valery
>Verne
>Dumas
>Maupassant
>Racine
>Celine
>Camus
>Breton
>Pascal
>Nerval
>Cocteau
>Roussel
>Perec
>Queneau
>Chateaubriand
>Vigny
>Stendhal
>Camus
>Colette
>Duras
>Fayette
>Sand
>Bergson
>Deleuze
>Derrida
>Foucault
>Baudrillard
>Lyotard
>Lacan
>Barthes
>Blanchot
>Guattari
>Levinas
>Merlau-Ponty
>Weil
Literally no other country can compete. France is the most /lit/ country frogs have the best literature and philosophy prove me wrong.

Pro-tip: you can't

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 13:04:00 2018 No.12070758 Imagine including Genet, Camus, Celine, and Perec in that list

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 13:04:15 2018 No.12070760 >>12070751 Half of those aren't even real

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 13:06:22 2018 No.12070770 Forgot a lot of good ones; added to much insignifiant ones.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 13:07:31 2018 No.12070776 >>12070758 imagine not including them

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 13:16:20 2018 No.12070814 tkt on sait

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 13:17:19 2018 No.12070817 >>12070758 Perec, at the very least, deserves to be included.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 13:21:46 2018 No.12070830 >>12070751 Yawn. We already have one of these threads: >>12065354

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 13:25:40 2018 No.12070846 lautreamont

Anonymous Mon Nov 12 13:47:31 2018 No.12070940
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Quality > quantity

I'm sorry Pierre.

>goethe
>schiller
>novalis
>klopstock
>rainer maria rilke
>mann
>nietzsche
>stefan george
>hesse
>freiligrath
>kant
>hegel
>leibniz
>benjamin
>heine
>jacob grimm
>wilhelm grimm
>Hölderlin
>friedrich schlegel
>august schlegel
>carl spitzweg
>hitler
>grass
>kafka
>fontane
>schnizler
>schopenhauer
>heidegger
>fichter
>wittgenstein
>carl jung

Anonymous Mon Nov 12 13:57:20 2018 No.12071004
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>>12070751
We won’t beat you, but we can compete:
>Irving
>Hawthorne
>Dickinson
>Poe
>Twain
>Melville
>Hughes
>Hemingway
>Williams
>London
>James
>Faulkner
>Fitzgerald
>Nabokov
>Vonnegut
>Pynchon
>Morrison
>Roth
>Ellison
>Heller
>McCarthy

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 14:00:18 2018 No.12071016 >>12070751 France has the best literature without question. Philosophy is debatable, though they certainly have a strong tradition there as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 14:03:17 2018 No.12071033 >>12071004 Imagine including Hemingway and Vonnegut in this list

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 14:30:06 2018 No.12071139 >>12070770 who did i forget

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 14:32:12 2018 No.12071148 Permaban all /int/ crossposters

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 14:43:06 2018 No.12071219 >>12070940 so, is that Germany ? or maybe Germany + Austria or Germany + Austria + Hungary ? you might want to include other countries like Switzerland (still - German-speaking countries are underrated)

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 14:49:10 2018 No.12071255 >>12070751 How do you pronounce Balzac properly anyway? The "z" sound specifically. But yeah, France has the best lit, Germany has the best philosophy. You have Camus twice though he deserves it. How many names of that list have you read, /lit/?

Anonymous Mon Nov 12 14:55:05 2018 No.12071284

>>12070940
>hitler
I see what you did there.
Germany can outcompete in the philosophy department with France, but in terms of literary output it's a close call. The French don't just do literature they do it in style. It's more of a lifestyle for them than German machine authors who just print out novels like iron slabs.

But Liebniz > Descartes definitely. Best German poet? Rilke, Heine, Goethe? Can't stand up to the impressionistic beauty and coherency of a Verlaine, or the sheer exuberance of Baudelaire.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 14:57:37 2018 No.12071292 >>12071284 Just to be clear, you speak both German and French?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 15:08:27 2018 No.12071349 >>12071292 Not that anon but I do and it stands clear that Germany is kinda behind in the lit department. Philosophy is another story, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 15:09:08 2018 No.12071353 >>12071033 who

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 15:10:31 2018 No.12071360 >>12070751 I find france disgusting, especially the people living there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 15:11:13 2018 No.12071365 File: 35 KB, 2594x1437, brits.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12070751 >Shakespeare >Milton >Chaucer hm, don't think I need to go further, brits beat you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 15:14:31 2018 No.12071381 >>12070940 >>12071004 >>12071365 Not even close. Only Russia and Spain come close

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 15:18:21 2018 No.12071398 >>12071381 Spain's a fucking joke, get out of here, Paco.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 15:20:01 2018 No.12071405 >>12071381 Spain? What the fuck is wrong with you? All the great Spanish writers were born in America

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 15:20:35 2018 No.12071409 >>12071381 Guess who's spanish

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 15:23:26 2018 No.12071422 >>12071405 in the Americas, y'mean.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 15:37:51 2018 No.12071497 >>12070751 >Ballsack imagine

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 15:40:49 2018 No.12071516 >>12071422 You're right, we don't say the Americas in my native language but just Amerika, hence the mistake

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 15:59:54 2018 No.12071632 >>12071381 Hola bitch

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 16:03:00 2018 No.12071647 >L M Montgomery >Jordan Peterson BTFO. CANADA MASTER RACE.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 16:08:26 2018 No.12071678 >>12070751 all those writers and maybe one or two of note

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 16:09:28 2018 No.12071688 >>12070940 Hesse kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 16:10:29 2018 No.12071699 >>12070751 And America has the best music

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 16:12:15 2018 No.12071705 >>12071365 Lol France BTFO by the Brit’s again as usual

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 16:14:53 2018 No.12071731 >>12071647 forgot Rupi Kaur

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 16:16:00 2018 No.12071741 File: 32 KB, 547x561, images (68).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12071699 >niggernoise is music

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 16:16:19 2018 No.12071743 >>12071699 that’s if you are an uneducated plebeian, germany is centuries ahead of everyone else

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 16:17:59 2018 No.12071755 >>12071699 >>12071743 >has never listened to serbian turbofolk ah innocence

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 16:25:11 2018 No.12071786 >>12071699 american """"""music"""""" is literally and unironically auditory jewish propaganda

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 18:06:27 2018 No.12072202 >>12071139 >Sade >Barbey d'Aurevilly >Villiers de L'Isle-Adam >Mallarmé >Schwob >Jarry >Mirbeau >Barbusse >Bataille >Gracq >Daumal >Klossowski >Des Forêts >Ponge >Bonnefoy >Radiguet >Butor >Sollers >Guyotat >Houellebecq

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 20:05:50 2018 No.12072773 >>12071284 What little I've read of Heine sounds god awful. Like a bad caricature of romantic poetry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 22:44:15 2018 No.12073495 >>12071255 Like ballsack but with a 'z'

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 23:19:06 2018 No.12073655 >>12070940 >hitler >doesnt include marx GO BACK

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 23:21:03 2018 No.12073660 >>12070751 >ballsack

Anonymous Mon Nov 12 23:21:44 2018 No.12073661

>>12071405
>Cervantes
>Quevedo
>Lope de Vega
>Baltasar Gracian
>Calderon de la Barca
>Unamuno
>Ortega y Gasset
None of these men were born in the Americas, yet all of them wrote better novels, poems, plays, essays, etc. than anything South/Central American writers have ever done.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 23:24:41 2018 No.12073669 >no Artaud disappointing

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 23:30:40 2018 No.12073694 >>12070751 France wins in quantity but not quality. None of those is top 10.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 00:35:54 2018 No.12073912 File: 383 B, 255x170, 255px-Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Erasmus >Spinoza Get rekt mates Low lands at the top

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 00:59:06 2018 No.12073957

>>12073694
The pleb argument

France was and remains the best lit country because the general populace cares way more about books, art, and culture than any other country in the world. Name me one other country that actually values novelists today.

The fact that a French education determines citizenship shows this. The normal curve of great authors is shifted to the right in France. Writers are more respected and successful, so they get quantity and quality. If Goethe or Melville were French, they would be considered just another great author, and not the best of their respective nation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 01:09:02 2018 No.12073988 >>12073957 Bullshit. I have no horse in this race. I have no reason to say Melville and Goethe are better than any french writer other than the fact they indeed are.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 01:12:47 2018 No.12073994 File: 55 KB, 480x748, rooby.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12073988 >I'm not biased, my opinion is objective and proves your claims false wut

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 01:14:11 2018 No.12073997 >>12071381 chinga tu madre

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 01:16:37 2018 No.12074008
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>>12071004
Good list. Even if it doesnt stand up to Euros in terms of quantity or full mastery of form, there is undoubtedly a basic vitality and stylistic ambition to American literature that makes me prefer it.

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 01:18:54 2018 No.12074013

>>12073957
>the general populace cares way more about books, art, and culture than any other country in the world
maybe thats true, but France is currently struggling to find its identity in an increasingly Americanized world, as are most countries.

>Name me one other country that actually values novelists today.
every country does, it's just a matter of whether they have contemporary novelists to value.

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 01:34:27 2018 No.12074057

>>12070751
You're ... right. Though it's sad that they all used such a nasty fucking language.

>>12071004
That's top 5 material at best. Also fuck off, counting Nabokov.

>>12071365
Nah but you can compete with Ivan for the second spot.

>>12071381
Spain is Murica tier at the very, very best.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 01:41:12 2018 No.12074073 >>12073661 Borges is better than Cervantes, and Jorge de Lima is better than Quevedo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 01:47:15 2018 No.12074089 >>12073912 But then that's it And Spinoza was a Portuguese Jew

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 02:09:48 2018 No.12074163 >>12073912 I've kinda wondered this myself. Why don't the Dutch have any great authors or poets to speak of? The two closest languages to it (English and German) both have plenty to offer. Why don't the Dutch?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 02:12:27 2018 No.12074169 >>12070751 where's Bloy you fucking Pleb with a capital "P"?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 02:16:35 2018 No.12074183 >>12070940 and you, no Doblin you pseud, fraud faggot, shut the fuck up and get the fuck off this board you don't have a fucking clue to what the fuck you're talking about

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 02:18:10 2018 No.12074191 >>12074163 Why would you expect too much from such a small nation? English and German have way, way, way more speakers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 02:19:11 2018 No.12074198 >>12070751 >>12072202 neither cocksuckers have la Rochefoucauld, fucking hopeless

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 02:21:36 2018 No.12074202 Wtf is up with the insecure frogs recently been seeing this shit across the boards

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 02:22:36 2018 No.12074205

>>12073661
>>12072202
>>12071004
>>12070940
>>12070751

rattle off all the goddamn names you like, you sound like Ellen Page in To Rome with Love and you need Alec Baldwin to lay you out with an intellectual bitch-slap, you're never gonna be Chad's boyfriend

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 02:25:50 2018 No.12074215 >>12074191 True but they used to be an important world power and they have plenty of scientific and artistic achievements but no writers or poets.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 02:29:22 2018 No.12074225 >>12074169 >>12074183 >>12074198 and watch as a thousand threads about these guys spring up tomorrow

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 02:30:49 2018 No.12074232

>>12071786
Please unpack your sentence and parse it for me, because, though I could do it myself, I want to make sure that the meaning is in no way adulterated.

>>12071699
As far as experimental shit goes, I think only Japan is on our heels. Do all you faggots think he's referring to the radio or something? I do think that most British acts just blow some stuff out of the water.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xKdKaAjw-o

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 02:32:01 2018 No.12074237 >>12074215 The other bits wouldn't get affected that much by low amount of speakers. When it comes to writers from Norway, Denmark and Sweden it doesn't look too well either.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 02:32:57 2018 No.12074240 >>12070940 >Kant >Wittgenstein >Jung >Leibniz >Kafka >German Fuck off with your stolen valour kraut faggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 02:33:47 2018 No.12074243 >>12071699 Modern* >>12071743 Frogs and Pasta aren't that far behind.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 02:38:03 2018 No.12074257 >>12074240 I can understand Jung even though he was still an ethnic German but how the fuck are Kant and Leibniz not Germn you retard?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 02:39:46 2018 No.12074261 >>12074237 Well there's still Hamsun, Ibsen, Andersen, Kierkegaard, and Strindberg. It's not much but it's still something.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 02:41:58 2018 No.12074266 File: 90 KB, 699x463, apucookin.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12071004 >no Whitman so this is the power of burger education >>12070751 go away frog, before i put you in a pot

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 02:46:01 2018 No.12074276 >>12074266 so hetalia? that's the reference with burger and pasta everwhere? it make me pleasure smile to know you will all be destroyed by my overvelming power.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 04:40:58 2018 No.12074503 >>12074232 >most British acts like who?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 04:49:17 2018 No.12074513 >>12074266 you should spell it, "Burgher," like bourgeoisie?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 04:50:07 2018 No.12074514 Britain>Russia>France>Germany This is the correct order and no matter how much you tell yourself otherwise you know its true

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 06:31:36 2018 No.12074627 >>12074514 >BrItaln They are better in poetry but everything else is a no >Russia lolno

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 06:37:27 2018 No.12074642 >>12074514 >Russia You can't be serious. Russia has nothing on the literary tradition of France.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 06:45:23 2018 No.12074656 >>12072202 I might be unironically in love with you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 06:50:59 2018 No.12074662 >>12071016 Goethe and Wagner are the GOAT artists of the last 500 years. France averages better though, I'll give you that

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 10:49:39 2018 No.12075321

>>12074662
I think Russia can also challenge on the basis of a few fantastic works, just as Germany can (not trying to start an argument here, idk which one is better, but they each have a few GENIUSES). But yeah I think France overall wins just because they have so many great works even if none (arguably) are literally the absolute best

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 10:55:35 2018 No.12075340 >>12071004 >No Whitman >No Peirce >No analytics

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 10:56:32 2018 No.12075344 >>12074169 this the greatest prose writer in french

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 10:56:51 2018 No.12075346
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>>12070751

>Unironically claiming Camus, Deleuze, Guattari, and Lacan as evidence for the quality of your philosophy

>Unironically claiming Genet as proof of literature quality but missing out Gide

What the fuck are you up to anon? Excluding that hack Sartre barely makes up for your sins.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 13:10:31 2018 No.12075894 >>12074627 >They are better in poetry but everything else is a no England alone has enough great novels to rival any country, add in Scotland to make the UK and they are probably the best

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 13:13:46 2018 No.12075913 >>12070940 >hesse

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 13:15:01 2018 No.12075918

>>12071284
Liebniz > Descartes definitely

Even if this opinion is very unpopular, I kinda agree if you only take the actual works that were published during their lives. However Descartes' replies and letters make the comparison very even. Also, obviously, Leibniz' philosophy massively depends on Descartes (and that dependency is not canceled by Leibniz' criticism towards Descartes).

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 13:25:18 2018 No.12075954 >Jordan Peterson Heh, nothing perosnnel non-leafs

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 13:27:50 2018 No.12075968 Imagine forgetting Guy Debord

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 13:51:00 2018 No.12076092 >>12071688 >>12075913 What's wrong with Hesse?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 14:12:52 2018 No.12076197 >>12074163 >Mulisch >Reve >Nooteboom >Hermans >Bordewijk >Wolkers >Multatuli >Komrij >Vestdijk We do have some great ones, they just haven't been translated often and it's been shit tier mostly ever since the 90s

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 14:48:44 2018 No.12076367 >>12075918 They are the two goat anyway, it's down to taste. I'll still put Leibniz above because of the sheer mass of his writings.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 14:55:07 2018 No.12076390 >>12073661 But Latin America has produced better literature in the last century. What went wrong with Spain?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 17:23:10 2018 No.12077059 >>12076197 The only one of those I've even heard of is Mulisch and that's only because I stumbled upon his wiki article at some point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 17:38:23 2018 No.12077152 >>12074163 The Dutch/Flemish reached their highest culture in paintings, the French in literature, the Germans/Austrians in classical music. Be happy your nation is in the top three.

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 17:44:20 2018 No.12077173

French literature is woefully overrated.
>Hugo and Dumas wrote the 19th century equivalent of Game of Thrones.
>The likes of Balzac, Zola, Sand, Perec, Camus were even worse and wrote poshlost. >Verne is inferior to Wells.
>Proust was an autistic savant and A Search in Lost Time gets worse as it goes along as Proust's health declined
There actually aren't that many French writers I would describe as amazing, most of them are mediocre

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 18:39:49 2018 No.12077431 >Verne >Cocteau >Camus >Colette >Sand >Deleuze >Baudrillard >Lacan >Dumas >Celine kek'd

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 18:41:00 2018 No.12077436 >>12070940 Germany has neither quantity nor quality. Even tiny European nations have better literature. America had better literature 50 years into its existence.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 18:42:08 2018 No.12077444 >>12077173 >Hugo and Dumas wrote the 19th century equivalent of Game of Thrones. Hugo's poetry is what survives >The likes of Balzac, Zola, Sand, Perec, Camus were even worse Yeah, they were hacks

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 18:45:05 2018 No.12077463

>>12074642
>You can't be serious. Russia has nothing on the literary tradition of France.
Europoors scream tradition because they can't say "quality." No French writer approaches Tolstoy even remotely. No one in France contributed more to the birth of 20th century literature than Chekhov.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 18:46:56 2018 No.12077475 >>12071004 I know this is a troll but Hawthorne is worth Germany's entire history

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 18:49:07 2018 No.12077487 >>12071786 >american """"""music"""""" is literally and unironically auditory jewish propaganda' This is a good instance of the continental intellect at work

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 22:41:57 2018 No.12078488

>>12070751
>Proust
Juif homosexuel. Inintéressant, racontars de la vie de la bourgeoisie juive.

>Flaubert
Racontars de la vie bourgeoise d'une vieille fille mal baisée. Inintéressant.

>Molière
Excellent, thématiquement profond, langue riche et vivante.

>Hugo
De la merde gauchiste, il suffit d'ajouter une seule phrase au Dernier jour d'un condamné pour se rendre compte de la supercherie : "Il s'appelait Marc Dutroux". Durant tout le roman jamais son crime n'a été évoqué, peut-il avait-il sodomisé et ouvert en deux depuis l'anus des nourrissons de deux mois?
Tout Hugo est de la manipulation pleurnicharde gauchiste de ce genre, à vomir.

>Rabelais
BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP

>Montaigne
Excellent, le plus grand esprit français à mon sens, il est en plein dans le doute ce qui n'est pas forcément pour me plaire, mais son doute voir grand, couvre un large spectre de la pensée, et n'a pas pour autre objectif que de sonder la vérité vraie, à l'inverse du doute des athées dont l'objectif est systématiquement de s'opposer à la vérité révélée par tous les moyens.

>Chrétien de Troyes (learn to fucking write Jesus)
Légendes amusantes.

>Zola
De la merde, impossible de trouver le moindre intérêt à la vie des mineurs. Le travail manuel est difficile, woop dee lai.

>Ballsack
Concurrent du code civil, ses chroniques de la vie bourgeoise sont amères et touchent du doigt l'âpre vérité sur les grandes fortunes et les manipulations politico-finanicères. Dénonce le complot juif. Beaucoup plus intéressant que les autres auteurs qui ne relatent que des états d'âme sentimentalisants, chose dont se rendent largement coupables Flaubert et Proust.

>Baudelaire
Belle poésie, mais on ne fait pas une grande nation avec ça. Dépravé.

>Rimbaud
Homosexuel et dépravé. Inférieur à Baudelaire. Surestimé sur tous les plans. Son seul "intérêt" c'est qu'il a compris que la poésie et la littérature étaient des loisirs d'adolescents et qu'arrivé à l'âge adulte il fallait plutôt faire trafiquant d'arme et négrier. Rachète presque son homosexualité

>Verlaine
Homosexuel et encore moins intéressant que Rimbaud.

>Huysmans
Littérature sous hallucinogènes, aucun intérêt.

>Genet
Homosexuel, obsédé par le sujet. Inintéressant.

>Valéry
Poésie mielleuse sans intérêt.

>Verne
Excellents récits d'aventure pour la tranche d'âge des six à onze ans.

>Dumas
Très inégal, employait des nègres donc impossible de savoir ce qui était réellement de lui, Le Comte de Monte-Cristo présente une plume, une structure et une profondeur thématique certaines, tandis que Les Trois Mousquetaires fait office d'oeuvre de jeunesse à côté.

>Maupassant
Bon nouvelliste, capable de toucher certaines vérités dérangeantes de la vie bourgeoise sordide avec de simples anecdotes.

>Racine
Plagieur sans vergogne, autant lire les originaux.

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 22:48:48 2018 No.12078518

>>12070751

>Céline
Opinion personnelle : contrairement à beaucoup de gens, je trouve son style insupportable, mais le fond très intéressant. Dénonce le complot judéo-maçonnique donc automatiquement intéressant.

>Camus
Insupportable. Théoriste de l'absurde, plume dépouillée. Autant lire des jugements de la cour de cassation.

>Breton
Homosexuel sous hallucinogènes, aucun intérêt.

>Pascal
Hérétique chrétien. Aucun religieux ne prend sa théorie du pari au sérieux.

>Nerval
Auteur de seconde zone, n'a rien produit d'intéressant

>Cocteau
De la grosse merde, mais vraiment de la pure chiasse. Rien d'autre à dire, impossible de trouver le moindre intérêt à ce faiseur.

>Did you fucking mean Rousseau?
Théoriste du contrat social source de la décadence moderne déconstructionniste de l'ordre naturel et légaliste. Responsable de la vie insupportable que nous menons aujourd'hui.

>Perec
Victime de son époque inintéressant, n'a rien à raconter

>Queneau
Alors là franchement mec va te faire foutre, la littérature "nouvelle vague" calquée sur le cinéma de la même prétention, tout juste bon à se torcher le cul avec, franchement.

>Chateaubriand
Grand esprit mais pleutre.

>Vigny
Poète mielleux comme la plupart des poètes. Les poètes sont soit mielleux soit dépravés. Art secondaire.

>Stendhal
Balzac avec un style plus relevé, intéressant, raconte les mécanismes sociaux du pouvoir comme Balzac et ne s'attarde pas sur des états d'âme, digne d'intérêt.

>Camus
Tu l'as cité deux fois fils de pute.

>Colette
Femme.

>Duras
Femme.

>Fayette
Qui?

>Sand
Femme.

>Bergson
>Deleuze
>Derrida
>Foucault
>Baudrillard
>Lyotard
>Lacan
>Barthes
>Blanchot
>Guattari
>Levinas holy shit dude
>Merlau-Ponty
De la merde, de la merde, de la merde, cent fois de la merde, de la chiasse déconstructionniste insupportable, à la mode dans les facultés de philosophie sous marijuana des années 60-70, à mettre en intégralité à la poubelle.

>Weil
Si tu parles de Simone Weil, c'est le seul philosophe un minimum digne d'intérêt du 20e siècle. Dommage qu'elle ait rejoint la raclure communiste qu'était de Gaulle.

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 22:55:21 2018 No.12078551

>>12070751
>>12078488
>>12078518
En résumé, il doit y avoir cinq ou six auteurs un peu intéressants dans le lot, tout le reste ne vaut rien.

Où sont Saint Thomas d'Aquin, Theophile Gauthier qui est beaucoup plus amusant que tous les autres, Alphonse Daudet et Jules Vallès qui sonnent mille fois plus juste que tous tes poètes et tes chroniqueurs de la sentimentalité petite-bourgeoise dégoulinants de mièvrerie, René Barjavel, Barbey d'Aurevilly qui vient qu'étant dépravé a commis des contes chrétiens hallucinés beaucoup plus intéressants que les enfumages des poètes tel Baudelaire, où sont La Rochefoucauld qui résume parfois en une phrase ce que des """philosophes""" écrivent sur dix tomes, La Bruyère, etc. Les meilleurs auteurs sont chrétiens, ou militaires, ou d'extrême-droite (citons Drieu La Rochelle, Rebatet, Brasillach, qui sont de très grands auteurs...), pratiquement toute la littérature "officielle" passé le 19e siècle n'est que de l'apologie du régime maçonnique. Tu viens nous faire chier avec Émile Zola et Victor Hugo, mais casse-toi.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 23:06:41 2018 No.12078593 >>12078551 Tu as oublié le plus grand auteur français: Lafontaine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 23:48:14 2018 No.12078805 >>12078488 >>12078518 >>12078551 low iq and boring opinions. dumb christcuck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 00:28:37 2018 No.12078993 File: 114 KB, 416x435, 86s1610ntjm11.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12078488 >Rimbaud below Baudelaire

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 02:02:13 2018 No.12079374 >>12078488 Basé au delà de toutes mes espérances pour ce fil.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 02:04:14 2018 No.12079382 >>12078993 How else would he rim his baud?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 02:07:20 2018 No.12079395 >>12078518 >Levinas Je tiens pourtant à faire lire ses lectures talmudiques. Bien sûr ne pas dépenser de shekels la dedans mais c'est instructif.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 02:43:01 2018 No.12079513

>>12078518
Sévère sur Pascal. Il n'est pas hérétique, et lui même ne prenait pas au sérieux ce pari qui prend une demi page sur un livre de notes pour un livre prévus pour des mondains.
Comme d'autres, il souffre du fait d'être suffisamment, en apparence, heterodoxe pour attirer le chalant mécréant mais en manque de "spiritualité". Bien sûr les jésuites avaient raison (à ce moment là) et Leibniz et Malebranche ont bien vite rectifiés le tir.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 04:46:07 2018 No.12079800 >>12073495 No not like ballsack, you stupid fucking burgers shouldn't contribute. >>12071255 Bahlzack essentially.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 04:52:24 2018 No.12079814 >>12078488 >>12078518 based example of how to review authors you haven't read >large spectre >sonder la vérité >présente une plume would be better without clichés, though

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 04:52:54 2018 No.12079818

>>12070940

I will give you Goethe, Schiller, Novalis,Hesse, Heine, Grass and Mann but Rilke was an Austrian of possibly Czech descent and Kafka was a Asuro-Hungarian jew, they don't count as Germans. The rest are philosophers and also don't count as literature.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 05:12:09 2018 No.12079850

>>12070751

The Frenchman is the eternal hipster. The James Franco of national cultures. Yes, it values culture very much. Yes, it has some sort of kind of sensibility. But is he actually talented? Does genius ever manifest in the Frencheman, genuinely, in the same way it does with the flowery Italian, with the deep-thinking German and even - though rarely - in the dull Englishman? Truth is: it does not. The Frenchman mass produces culture for the sake of his own high-bourgeois taste, but just like an upperclass young man going to see opera, he rarely goes beyond the superficial level of aesthetic enjoyment. His literature is indeed full of gifted minds, but none of them a groundbreaking genius, none of them a Dante, a Goethe, a Shakespeare. Proust, maybe, got to the level of shattering the limits of his art form, but it is one name. The creativity of the French mind gets stuck into repeating the "aesthetically pleasing", without ever pushing the boundaries of what he's doing: they are the eternals second. Their poetry is inferior to the Italian and even to the English, as well as their novels. And when it comes to their philosophy, the German and the Greek are unchallenged - and the Frenchman trying to play with the names of the likes of Plato and Kant is but a child and has proven to be so countless time, such as when they put nietzsche in the hand of a bald homosexual (Foucault), condemning themselves to 30 years of blatant misinterpretation, or when the most unfuckable of french goblins (Sartre) approached Heidegger's thought just to be told that he had misunderstood everything.
Therefore, yes: the French has produced a crowd of bookish people, as well as painters, musicians, and other courtesans of the arts: but none of them a genius. Quality is what the Frenchman lacks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 05:15:52 2018 No.12079857 >>12079818 Grass is a dogshit writer

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 05:18:51 2018 No.12079860 >>12079850 the only reason Proust is so highly rated is that nobody has actually finished his novel, it's a legend

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 05:26:03 2018 No.12079878

>>12078551
>Thomas d'Aquin, Theophile Gauthier
c'est donc pas un cacaposteur rigolard, non, il veut juste ensommeiller tout le m-
>Alphonse Daudet et Jules Vallès René Barjavel, Barbey d'Aurevilly
ho la jolie ribambelle de ringards ouarf

goûts de merde mais cohérent, 4/10

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 05:37:10 2018 No.12079909 >>12075918 Neither of these come close to Newton IQ wise

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 05:39:19 2018 No.12079915 >>12070751 >>Proust Overrated.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 06:18:38 2018 No.12079995

>>12079909
I don't know if brainlet or just Anglo.
Newton had a restricted range of interest and was a failure even in many of them. There is a reason no one talks about his theology for instance even the people with similar positions.
Compare that to the universality of interest of these two that shine in everything they attempted.
Newton was a genius in empirical physics, perhaps the goat in this category, and that's it. No literary talent, pathetic psychology, weird theology, weak economics, no logic (to be fair he didn't pretend anything here, only his fanboys). He didn't try anything in law or history or linguistics. No biological writings worth mentioning. Let alone more niche subjects like anesthetics and art theory where the other two were brilliant.
He was a competent mathematician but an order of magnitude below Descartes or Leibniz. Even in the realm of pure mechanics he was much below these, at least of Leibniz who founded analytical dynamics while Newton was still drawing similar triangles like it's 300BC. Not to mention his continuous interest in various pseudo-sciences like alchemy.
Newton will forever be one of the greatest minds in terms of empirical physics (even here he has much competition, a Maxwell is arguably more important) but that's about it really.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 06:18:42 2018 No.12079996 Any Frenchie's thoughts on Georges Bernanos? Do any of his works deserve to be listed among the classics?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 07:56:24 2018 No.12080173 >>12070751 I don't know half of these.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 08:14:49 2018 No.12080209 >>12078488 >>12078518 >>>/pol/ et restes-y. >J'adore me faire marcher dessus par le Roy et l'armée tout en vénérant un juif ça c'est de la bonne société.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 08:47:34 2018 No.12080300

>>12079996
He's quite good. Especially Mouchette and Diary of a Country Priest. I've heard good things about Monsieur Ouine. He's for those who like reactionary Catholicism and have a dislike for the bourgeois.

Bernanos also wrote some very good, albeit anti-semitic, pamphlets.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 10:42:28 2018 No.12080632 File: 58 KB, 800x570, Rape_of_Prosepina_September_2015-2b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >literature >no mention of Italians

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 10:45:01 2018 No.12080641 >>12071365 Include Joyce as well as long as you're at it. I know he's not exactly a brit but he's in the same ballpark and after all he does write in english

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 10:46:13 2018 No.12080645 >>12070751 Jordan Peterson would like to have a word with you, my postmordern neomarxist friend

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 10:53:51 2018 No.12080661 >>12080632 >"Italian literature begins and ends with Dante." - James Joyce

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 11:00:20 2018 No.12080680
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>>12080661
>purposely omitting the rest of the quote

you do realize what he meant with this, don't you?
Some of his favourite writers were Italians, he's by no means shitting on Italian literature

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 11:00:52 2018 No.12080681 >>12071004 No Pound

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 11:21:57 2018 No.12080744 >>12080681 a venerable fraud

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 12:05:57 2018 No.12080892 >>12080680 When did I say he was shitting on Italian literature?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 12:46:32 2018 No.12081041 >>12070776 no.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 12:47:36 2018 No.12081043 >>12072202 good taste, mon ami.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 12:48:47 2018 No.12081049 >>12075344 a "volcano of shit" according to Villiers (much better author). Non, I don't have a source.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 12:51:48 2018 No.12081057 >>12079878 >Barjavel Lis-donc Ravage, cher ami.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 12:53:46 2018 No.12081062 >>12078518 >il connaît pas Raymond Roussel

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 13:08:55 2018 No.12081129 >>12081057 Pas lui mais je l'ai lu il y a quelques mois et franchement ... Ça fait un peu roman de gare non? Et si tu es le mec de la longue liste plus haut, j'espère que tu es conscient d'être un cliché...

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 13:18:14 2018 No.12081159 >>12081129 Non, ce n'est pas moi. Mais roman de gare? C'est un peu dure.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 13:44:58 2018 No.12081245 >>12079818 >Rilke was an Austrian This is retarded. Ethnic Germans still count as Germans even if they weren't born in the borders of modern germany. Was Garibaldi not Italian just because he was born in what is now France?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 13:47:08 2018 No.12081251 >>12081245 The real retardation is not listening to Nabokov and avoiding your autistic “literature” all together

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 13:52:33 2018 No.12081279

>>12081251
I'm not even a kraut. You can't just make up your own arbitrary rules and say someone doesn't count for stupid reasons that ignore historical circumstances. I can understand Kafka not counting since he wasn't an ethnic German or German by nationality but not Rilke.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 14:08:40 2018 No.12081342 >>12081279 Shut up faggot

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 14:16:59 2018 No.12081372 >>12081342 Ah, the "I have no argument" argument

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 14:19:53 2018 No.12081385 >>12075321 >>12074662 Quite agree with both of you

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 14:22:24 2018 No.12081397 File: 6 KB, 2000x1333, Greece.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12070751 >Plato >Aristotle >Homer >Euripides >Sophocles >Aristophanes >Herodotus >Ovid >Petronius >Xenophon >The New Testament Sorry, no offense, kid

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 14:24:54 2018 No.12081410 File: 266 KB, 524x372, 1447478520743.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12078488 >>12078518 BASED AND ROUGEPILLED

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 14:25:03 2018 No.12081412 >>12078488 >Flaubert is only madame bovary lmaoing @ your life

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 14:26:06 2018 No.12081416 >>12078518 >pleutre. who cares

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 14:29:11 2018 No.12081426 Read Paul Gadenne.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 14:49:25 2018 No.12081484 >>12081397 >Ovid >Petronius

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 15:36:57 2018 No.12081704 >>12070940 >Hesse

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:11:47 2018 No.12081854 >>12081704 Okay seriously, what's wrong with Hesse?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:12:35 2018 No.12081857 >>12078518 Et PNL?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:12:56 2018 No.12081859 >>12077059 Like 4 of them have been nominated for the Nobel Prize in literature multiple times so they're really not that obscure

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:17:14 2018 No.12082223 >>12074662 >Goethe my sides

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:18:17 2018 No.12082230 >>12070758 Camus is very good

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:19:27 2018 No.12082239 File: 15 KB, 474x328, proxy.duckduckgo.com.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Machado de Assis >Guimarães Rosa >Clarice Lispector It's very sad to live in a country of monkeys.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:20:18 2018 No.12082244 >>12071699 Best countries for music in history are Germany, Russia, UK, America and Japan

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:21:41 2018 No.12082251 >>12082244 >UK Cringe

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:31:13 2018 No.12082319 >>12078518 French looks so nice

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:36:14 2018 No.12082354 >>12077463 Tolstoy and Chekhov are not relevant. They're memes The French constructed Dosto

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 18:48:31 2018 No.12082753 >>12071016 >Philosophy is debatable France has no philosophie, only memelords

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 18:54:50 2018 No.12082778 >>12082354 Lol okay frenchtard

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 19:21:35 2018 No.12082903 >>12070751 >Pro-tip: you can't Don`t worry anon, by 2200 a lot of countries will compete with Tyrone, LeBron and Delashaun and you`ll lose

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 19:39:57 2018 No.12082978 >>12082251 >America cringe^2

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 20:28:16 2018 No.12083170 >>12082978 I'm sorry Nigel but a bunch of chavs strumming on electric guitars and trying to be American nogs does not make for good music.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 20:32:36 2018 No.12083192 >>12083170 I meant both UK & US are all cringe.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 20:52:58 2018 No.12083285 >>12074662 romantic garbage

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 22:08:44 2018 No.12083587 >>12071255 Balzac the z is like a slightly harder "s". Not sac but like the english name zac but the a sound of french

Helpful Pronunciation Guide Wed Nov 14 22:44:14 2018 No.12083690
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Praʊss't
Flaʊ-Birt
Mole-Year
Yu-Go
Ray-be-lase
Mawn-taig-ne
Shre-ti-in
>Zo-la
Ball Zack
Bow-di-layer
Rim-bowed/Rimb-aʊd
Vur-lane
Huhice-manz
Genit
Vale-ri
Vurn
Dummass heh ebin
Mao-pass-ant
Ray-sign
Sell-een
Kam-uss
Bret'un
PA-skul
Nir-vul
KokeTe-aʊ
Raʊs-ill
PehRik
KweNe-aʊ
Shayt-i-aʊ-briund
VigNi
Stend-Hall
KO-Let
Durress
Fey-yet
SAnd
Burgsin
"DEL-LE-OOZ"
Di-rid-uh
Foe-Kawlt
Baʊ-Dril-Lard
LeeOhTar'd
Lackin
Barθss
Blaan-chott
Guwatturree
LeeVyNas
Mur-Low Pawnnee
While

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 22:47:29 2018 No.12083709 >>12078488 >>12078518 >>12078551 post of the year

Anonymous Thu Nov 15 02:10:54 2018 No.12084376

>>12082251
Electronic artists such as Autechre, Aphex Twin, Regis, burial (autechre being the main one here because they are, in my opinion, the greatest electronic group of all time)
Pop groups like Prefab Sprout, the Beatles, radiohead, the cure, xtc, the smiths
Experimental acts like Henry Cow, This Heat, the cardiacs, throbbing gristle, coil, current 93, nurse with wound, talk talk (arguably the inventors of post rock, although I personally disagree with that sentiment)
The Canterbury Scene (soft machine mainly)
Some decent folk like Nick drake and fairport convention
Uk classical is mostly shit outside of few exceptions like Edward Elgar
Sarah records for twee pop
Post punk like joy division, the fall, the chameleons, the sound and stuff like that
Also obvious ones like bowie, fripp, eno (inventor of ambient music) John Cale (founding member and the most important member (alongside Lou reed) of the velvet underground)...

>>12083170
>a bunch of chavs strumming on electric guitars and trying to be American nogs does not make for good music.
I think I know what kind of groups your talking about and I agree 100% that it's terrible

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 02:24:31 2018 No.12084418 All of those and no Voltaire

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 03:32:04 2018 No.12084563 >>12082244 Make that Germany, Austria, Italy and France.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 03:34:34 2018 No.12084569 >>12084418 >caring about the writings of a journalist 300 years after

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 04:39:38 2018 No.12084707 >>12081859 Half of the people nominated for the Nobel literature prize are rightfully unknown

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 04:55:45 2018 No.12084736 >no italy

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 05:04:13 2018 No.12084745 Shakespeare was English, end of story.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 06:02:05 2018 No.12084846 >>12084745 Shakespeare was muslim t. Martin Lings

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 09:07:10 2018 No.12085275 >>12078488 > Ballsack > Dénonce le complot juif. really?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 09:19:06 2018 No.12085307 >>12078518 Thoughts on Marcel Schwob, Léon Bloy, Jules Barbey d'Aurevilly, Auguste Villiers de l'Isle-Adam, Jean Lorrain, and Jean Richepin?

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>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 09:25:56 2018 No.12085330 >>12070751 per capita, it's Ireland in terms of peaks, it's Russia

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 09:27:10 2018 No.12085334 >>12082251 without the UK the last 60 years of music completely changes

Anonymous Thu Nov 15 09:33:48 2018 No.12085357

>>12085307
not him, but in order of merit (my own):
Villiers - one of the best prose stylists in French - absolutely the most patrician of all French authors since the Middle Ages.
Barbey: Not as good as Villiers but influential nonetheless. Good in spots. - Les Diaboliques, Une Vieille Maitresse, for instance.
Scwhob: Good short story author. Jewish though, if that matters.
Leon Bloy: Very annoying. Flashes of genius - Le Desespere, Exegese des Lieux Communs - but his rampant christomania and scatology are truly appalling -and his journals are the worst example of autistry this side of a hybrid /r9k/-/b/ mutant.
Richepin and Lorrain are anecdotic at best, niche genre perverts.

Anonymous Thu Nov 15 10:14:01 2018 No.12085483
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>Son seul "intérêt" c'est qu'il a compris que la poésie et la littérature étaient des loisirs d'adolescents et qu'arrivé à l'âge adulte il fallait plutôt faire trafiquant d'arme et négrier. Rachète presque son homosexualité.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 10:30:43 2018 No.12085542 >>12070751 where is my sad boi Emile Cioran?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 10:38:06 2018 No.12085567 File: 163 KB, 2000x1333, 2000px-Flag_of_Portugal.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Pessoa >Camões >Saramago How can anyone hope to compete?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 17:02:18 2018 No.12086908 >>12078518 Adulescent révolté détecté. N'a vraisemblablement pas lu le tiers des auteurs dont il parle.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 17:05:13 2018 No.12086919 >>12083690 >w Not even one is correct. Nice.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 17:06:25 2018 No.12086925 Who influenced Cendrars, frogs?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 17:10:15 2018 No.12086947 >>12086925 Some fucking popov, I guess ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 17:18:56 2018 No.12087008 >>12085334 >Implying the last 60 years of music is good

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 17:39:45 2018 No.12087110 >>12086947 Who exactly you referring to? Also I guess is not much of an answer.

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