KonMari thread

[Anonymous No.12062366]

last thread is maxed out so here we go again, fellas.

are there any differences between Marie Kondo telling you to declutter and Jordan Peterson telling you to clean your room? is Marie Kondo luring people into a cult? How do we maintain an organized and meaningful life without falling for "hacks"?

[Anonymous No.12062442]

Last thread was comfy
hope this happens once again
clean room, buckaroo

[Anonymous No.12062449]

Mari-Chan gives us a Zen-Garden resplendent and deceptively suggestive in its simplicity. Peterson gives us a decidedly western Gothic cathedral with its many buttresses and pillars and varied interconnecting parts that pile on top of themselves in a ceaseless and neurotic attempt to find some semblance of the sublime through unending production.

[Anonymous No.12062495]

>but anon-kun that's just too big for little me

[Anonymous No.12062523]

>>12062495
Don't worry, my sweet angel. I am going to put it in anyway.

[Anonymous No.12062548]

Is her book actually worth reading?

[Anonymous No.12062551]

>>12062548
u some kind of fagot

[Anonymous No.12062554]

>>12062551
n-no

[Anonymous No.12062597]

>>12062548
I liked it and am planning on doing her death cleaning tomorrow. It only takes a day.

I dont think philosophy is self-help, but this is the first self-help book I've read that approaches "light" philosophy. There's a lot of Shinto in it.

[Anonymous No.12062599]

The only modern philosopher worth listening to.

[Anonymous No.12062601]

>>12062449
based!

[Anonymous No.12062605]

>>12062597
She worked as maid in a Shinto shrine for five years.

[Anonymous No.12062612]

her voice is patrician, so soft and precise

[Anonymous No.12062648]

>>12062449
elaborate, please

[Anonymous No.12062654]

>>12062648

[Anonymous No.12062658]

>>12062648
not him but the first gives you the entire pie all at once, no bullshit

peterson keeps unloading more and more of his baggage

[Anonymous No.12062663]

>>12062648
wanna how i can tell you don't actually read

[Anonymous No.12062666]

>>12062605
Also, she seems to be a firm believer of tsukumogami legend/folklore.
Items have the seed of gods in them. If they exist and are in use for 100 years they become a kami.
Therefore, you must take care of what you have and use them properly and well. Beloved they will bring you good fortune, abused they will curse you. Or as my mother said, make them very sad.
Mind you, that's how my parents tried to explain it to me. We have a hinamatsuri doll set stored carefully away that we bring out every year on girl's day. It's because it's almost 100 years old and my grandparents were worried if we don't properly take it out of storage on girls day the dolls will be very unhappy.
Of course, it's missing a number of the doll attendants since some of them got lost during ww2.

[Anonymous No.12062672]

When Marie Kondo tells you to declutter it's about making a highly consumerist lifestyle seem spiritually fulfilling.

When Jordan Peterson tells you to clean your room it is an order to fix your own problems before trying to fix society.

Not really comparable

[Anonymous No.12062678]

>>12062666
thank you for this

do you have a sister?

don't worry I'm Asian

[Anonymous No.12062680]

>>12062654
;))
>>12062658
i mean, i like memerson's style. there's more depth to it.
>>12062663
i do read, im currently reading Weber's Protestant Ethic. havent read this gook's cleaning book though

[Anonymous No.12062684]

>>12062672
you got that backwards

can't believe there are still petersonfags this day and age, and on fucking /lit/!

[Anonymous No.12062687]

>>12062672
but isnt there an area where they overlap, like in a venn diagram? a poster in the past thread compared it as kondo-sama being the gateway drug to peterson

[Anonymous No.12062688]

>>12062680
>there's more depth
nigger just stop posting

[Anonymous No.12062690]

>>12062680
>'i do read'
>nonfiction

everytime

[Anonymous No.12062702]

>>12062688
nigga there literally is more depth to peterson. thats a fact. just compare the sheer volume of didactical material and lectures on youtube vs kondo-chan's interviews
>>12062690
>fictionfag
dropped

[Anonymous No.12062706]

i refuse to clean my room

[Anonymous No.12062709]

>>12062678
Nope, all boys.
I wish I had taken a picture of those dolls, they're at my parent's place. They were super fancy, the furniture that was part of the set up was intricately created too.
It was a full seven tier hina display. You can tell that some of it got scorched in a fire because it smells faintly sooty and is oddly warped.

[Anonymous No.12062712]

>>12062366

Self help books fuck off.

[Anonymous No.12062731]

>>12062702
You are stupid, please leave /lit/. One is pseudo-intellectual garbage and the other is zen in form and in content. It's not explicitly intellectual but you wouldn't understand that, you can't read and you don't understand shit. Please fight with the libtards and kill each other off.

[Anonymous No.12062733]

>>12062702
>he'd rather read some 'philosophy' book (cringe and bluepilled) than shakespeare or dante (based and redpilled)

I thought we didn't allow pseuds on this board

[Anonymous No.12062738]

>>12062733
he's a peterson fag and he quite literally can't read a simple sentence (see his first post)

>>12062709
>all boys
damn

[Anonymous No.12062750]

you will never be a female japanese author
i hate being male and whjte snd retarded

[Anonymous No.12062754]

>>12062666
Are you Japanese? How can i get a cute japanese gf. Please tell me anon, i will pay you to teach me. And none of that yen shit, ill pay you in American dollars anon. AMERICAN DOLLARS. Please tell me anon. Help me live a gaijin life. AMERICAN DOLLARS.

[Anonymous No.12062759]

>>12062754
cringe

[Anonymous No.12062766]

>>12062731
>you are stupid
i know you are but what am i? so aggressive, sheesh. go hit a blunt bro, it'll chill you down
>>12062733
i do appreciate the canon and the greats, but im on a nonfiction phase rn.
>>12062738
you're exactly the overly prideful sorry excuse of a manchild that peterson wants to help fix and turn their lives around. im sorry you cant see past your blinds
>>12062750
>tfw
>>12062754
this, jap qts (and asians in general) have nice flat noses that make it easier to make out with

[Anonymous No.12062780]

>>12062754
Dude, I was born and raised in Canada. Second generation, nisei. How the fuck do I know? Japanese women are like a world of difference to north american women.
Dating culture is different too.
Apparently if you're a boyfriend, they expect you to know shit about them like 'what their favorite tea flavor is' and order it for them without asking them if you're at a coffee shop on a date. Because if you're a sensitive and good boyfriend you will remember it and be chivalrous enough to get it before they ask. It's a lot of wordless couple stuff that you need to learn and remember, because shows your 'makoto' or sincerity of feelings for them.

[Anonymous No.12062799]

tfw no sugoi j-wife

[Anonymous No.12062804]

>>12062766
jesus can you stop shitposting about peterson in a nonrelated thread

[Anonymous No.12062808]

>>12062804
not that guy but kondo threads are thinly veiled "sort yourself out" threads

[Anonymous No.12062823]

>>12062442
>ywn have a qt japanese author gf

[Anonymous No.12062838]

>>12062780
Cute

[Anonymous No.12062856]

>>12062780
Where's Canada in Japan? Is it by Osaka? Dude give me your secrets and ill cashapp you. (YenApp you?). I just want a qt japabese gf anon, im nor asking for the world.

[Anonymous No.12062883]

>>12062856
Just watch http://asianwiki.com/My_Darling_is_a_Foreigner
Maybe it'll help you?

[Anonymous No.12062893]

私はゲイです

[Anonymous No.12062901]

anyone else itt this thread have Asperger's

[Anonymous No.12062905]

>>12062901
just about everyone

[Anonymous No.12062907]

>>12062905
based as FUCK

[Anonymous No.12062911]

>tfw you memed /lit/ again

[Anonymous No.12062915]

>>12062901
im not diagnosed but i have WAY too many autistic moments to not be on the spectrum. what's saving me is my self-awareness so i can conceal my power level fairly well. except for tinder dates

[Anonymous No.12062928]

>>12062915
following up, i only hope i can reproduce and continue the species (the only "meaning" of life, really). following kondo-sama's decluttering advice is just a way to tackle my habits more efficiently

[Anonymous No.12062935]

>>12062928
retard

[Anonymous No.12062940]

>>12062366
If you think Jordan Peterson only message is clean your room then you have not been paying attention to what he is saying.

[Anonymous No.12062941]

>>12062935
r-rude

[Anonymous No.12062964]

>>12062941
if the meaning of life is yo reproduce than what is the meaning of your children's lives, its just nihilism described another way
theres already enough people that your having children does not matter in any real sense, its not as if we are in danger of running out

[Anonymous No.12062991]

>>12062964
the meaning of my children's lives is to reproduce as well. we're animals.

[Anonymous No.12063001]

>>12062893
切腹をしろ。

[Anonymous No.12063074]

>>12062684

Why would you say that that's backward?

Peterson does indeed encourage the status quo and finds some kind of deep biblical meaning to normal people doing normal things like doing the dishes.

However I fail to see how "fix your own problems before trying to fix society" applies to KonMari. KonMari talks exclusively about your relationship with things. She doesn't talk about any other problem you might have or your place in society. The only idea she gives that could apply outside of cleaning is that you should not be afraid to remove things that don't bring joy from your life.

[Anonymous No.12063107]

>>12062991
where is the meaning in that

[Anonymous No.12063116]

>>12063107
its not a "meaning" as in "oh i feel fulfilled lel better post it on facebook". its "meaning" in the sense of a duty toward the universe. but a hedonistic live-in-the-now cuck beta brainlet like you wouldnt understand the implications

[Anonymous No.12063131]

>>12062928
>Confusing the means of life with the reason for living

I know this is 4chan, but step up nigga

[Anonymous No.12063145]

>>12063131
literally just TRY to prove me wrong, you absolute faggot. just TRY.

[Anonymous No.12063147]

>>12063116
why does the universe care if you have kids
do you think humanity will go extinct if a few people decide not to have children
in the way you are describing how is humanity more or less important than a bacteria colony or cancer cell
i never said anything about hedonism

[Anonymous No.12063152]

>>12063147
i never said humanity will go extinct if a few people decide not to
humanity is equally as important as bacteria. i never claimed it was more or less.

[Anonymous No.12063273]

>>12063152
pathetic

[Anonymous No.12063286]

>>12062901
>tfw itting itt with assburgers rite now

[Anonymous No.12064087]

>>12062901
>>12062905
>>12062907
>>12062940
>>12063074
we are doomed.

[Anonymous No.12064149]

wait this whole book is just like throw out shit u don't need (ancient japanese wisdom) why did you tell me to read this

[Anonymous No.12064161]

>>12062597
Yellow Fever.

[Anonymous No.12064283]

This decluttering thing should be self evident to everybody.

[Anonymous No.12064338]

>>12062366
One is a mother figure and another is a father figure.

[Anonymous No.12065265]

>>12064149
No you have to talk to everything too. EACH AND EVERY THING YOU OWN.

[Anonymous No.12065290]

>>12062666
Almost sounds like brahmin. I wonder if there was any cultural influence in the pre pre BC years.

You know, if my experience of concious life truly is an active one, and the world needs me to exist as much as I need it to, like how the wall cannot be seen without the existence of an eye, or the falling tree cannot be heard without the existence of an ear..... kinda makes sense to treat your little world like yourself.

This is the same culture that ran the plant-complimenting experiment that turned out to work so maybe there's something to it all.

[Anonymous No.12065360]

>>12065265
but i'm not a schizophrenic

[Anonymous No.12065405]

>tfw she will never declutter the petrified spermy from your mummified prostate

[Anonymous No.12065426]

>>12065405
kys

[Anonymous No.12065431]

>>12065405

[Anonymous No.12065438]

>>12065360
>he's not a schizophrenic
never gonna make it

[Anonymous No.12065477]

>>12062366
Peterson couldn't clean or unclutter anything, least of all his thinking.

The other one is just making a career out of hipsters thinking that what your typical Victorian nanny would beat you for not doing is suddenly all cool and exotic when it's sold to them by a chink.

Have any of you morons actually ever read a book outside of this self-help bestseller shit? You are all really starting to piss me off. The board is called /lit/ for a reason.

[Anonymous No.12065517]

>>12063116
>in the sense of a duty toward the universe
>reproducing
All matter and energy in the universe is headed towards maximum entropy.

[Anonymous No.12065633]

>>12065405
>tfw she will never declutter the carbonized spermae from the permafrost of your prostate

[Anonymous No.12065699]

>>12065405
>>12065633
>tfw she will never declutter the dead greenland shark-like spermea from the arctic circle seabed of your prostate

[Anonymous No.12065972]

>>12065477
I read the entire western canon, because/lit/ told me to, and then some.

It's not about cleaning your room, it's about the meaning of cleaning your room. It's really good you should read it.

[Anonymous No.12066020]

>AAAAA it'su decrataringu taimu laiu downu onu taybru an'ayy mekyu trouwu olllllllle autu!!

[Anonymous No.12066236]

I had a dream about sexually tormenting Kondo-chan and subjecting her to filthy humiliations until she awakened to her animalistic bodily desires.

Kondo-chan is so tidy and angelic, but she still has a pussy, a butthole, and armpits like every other girl in the world. Lewd! Pathetic! Humilliating! The human condition of Marie Kondo! She's so cute and clean, but she is still just an human animal! How can Marie Kondo live with herself knowing she has a lewd and pathetic sweaty female body? It must be impossible for Kondo-chan-sama-san to feel any dignity knowing that she has a butthole, and knowing that other people know she has a butthole. It is mindblowing. God is a pervert. We are all doomed.

[Anonymous No.12066429]

Why cant we derail the cosmotechnics threads like this?

[Anonymous No.12066875]

>>12066020
What did Anonymous-san mean by this?

[Anonymous No.12066977]

>>12062672
>making a highly consumerist lifestyle seem spiritually fulfilling
she says to throw away everything in your life that doesn't bring you joy, how on earth is that consumerism?

[Anonymous No.12067133]

>>12066429
The mentally ill don't care

[Anonymous No.12067178]

>>12066236
Extremely based

[Anonymous No.12067642]

>tfw already a minimalist but none or my posessions spark joy except for my bike and hiking boots

How do I make my inventory more joyful lads?

[Anonymous No.12067671]

>>12065477
So the cleaning lady sticks to what she knows, but the mentally ill academic tries to tell young white men how they should live their lives (keep your head down, don’t organise, be a good boomer and work hard at your shitty job, be individualistic and fragmented and don’t identify with your people).

[Anonymous No.12067711]

>>12067671
You should read his book. I dont like him either, but I read his book.

You should read a book.

[Anonymous No.12067719]

>>12067711
>reading peterstein when I could read good books instead

No.

[Anonymous No.12067948]

Cleaning is sentient

[Anonymous No.12068028]

>>12067948
based tidiness accelerationist

[Anonymous No.12068040]

just finished cleaning my room and i'm still sad :(

[Anonymous No.12068075]

>>12062366
Juden Peterstein acts like an incredibly entitled philosopher-king. In his interviews, his writing, all of it, he presents himself as if his shit doesn't stink and we should worship him for eternity because he, enlightened philosopher Jordan Peterson, invented the concept of cleaning your room, bucko, and if you're TRULY intelligent you'll send his daughter $50 an hour to Skype with you about her keto diet. After donating to his Patreon, of course.
Marie Kondo wrote a book about cleaning because she likes cleaning and wants to show people how rewarding it can be.

[Anonymous No.12068080]

>>12068075
who hurt you

[Anonymous No.12068094]

>>12068080
me

[Anonymous No.12068125]

>>12068094
*hugs*

[Anonymous No.12069020]

>>12062442
fpbp

[Anonymous No.12069143]

>>12065405
>>12065633
>>12065699
Why is his mouth hanging open?

[Anonymous No.12069149]

>>12069143
he just kant

[Anonymous No.12069244]

>>12062548
It's written by a woman, what do you think?

[Anonymous No.12069435]

>>12066236
big think post

[Anonymous No.12070009]

>>12066236
i LOVE this post

>>12062799
i HATE this post

[Anonymous No.12070013]

>>12070009
i only posted it ironically

[Anonymous No.12070016]

>>12070013
who are you?

[Anonymous No.12070020]

All of you weebs sicken me to the core. This is why the Japanese despise foreigners.

t. a disgusted Jap

[Anonymous No.12070028]

>>12070020
are u really jap or just like an American with japanese great great grandparents

[Anonymous No.12070043]

>>12068080
evidently jordan peterson

[Anonymous No.12070052]

I, uh want to lick Kondo-chan's hairy, sweaty armpits clean as she giggles because she is extremely ticklish isn't that weird guys haha.

[Anonymous No.12070298]

Cleaning and organizing is NPC behavior.

[Anonymous No.12070317]

>>12070298
nicely memed friend, top kek

[Anonymous No.12070463]

Can someone explain to me the "clean your room" meme? I've watched a number of Peterson's hour long lecture/interview videos on Youtube and have no clue where the meme comes from.

[Anonymous No.12070509]

>>12066977
>ulfilling
>she says to throw away everything in your life that doesn't bring you joy, how on earth is that consumerism?

There are objects essential to life that nevertheless are not joyful to many (essentially, things that are tools). The idea that you can not have these because they don't give you joy assumes that you can purchase their product elsewhere when you need it, which is hardcore consumerism.

Example: who is leads a life of more consumerism: the man who cooks his meal himself even though he doesn't enjoy cooking, or the man who eats out at restaurants every day?

[Anonymous No.12070579]

>>12070463
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBR5v89L6gk

[Anonymous No.12071042]

>>12066875

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[Anonymous No.12071060]

>>12065477
>sold 1.5 million copies in america alone
>"hipsters"
yeah fucking bleeding edge, man

[Anonymous No.12071310]

I want to pat Kondo-chan on the head and cook her a nice dinner

[Anonymous No.12071898]

For those who want a different sort of minimalist/simple living guru there's Fumio Sasaki.
Here's an audiobook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxLxrGDs_YU

He's definitely more extreme but at the same time way less weird than Kondo

[Anonymous No.12072431]

>>12062442
I'll clean my dick onto her face.

[Anonymous No.12072568]

>>12072431
LOBSTER
LADY
IS
NOT
FOR
THE
SEXUAL

[Anonymous No.12072600]

>>12072568
So she's for the fucking? Good to know.

[Anonymous No.12072612]

>>12072600
Do you want to know how I can tell you're a virgin?

[Anonymous No.12074200]

bump

[Anonymous No.12075630]

kon-chan represents a more profound buddhistic-heideggerian philosophy of cleanliness based on one's comportment towards things while peterstein is just another degenerate faustian man who hopes to """"enlighten"""" society

[Anonymous No.12076489]

>>12075630
go on

[Anonymous No.12076585]

>>12068080
but this anon is right. peterson is pretensious af while the japanese lady is pretty humble.

[Anonymous No.12076633]

How long until this board begins hating on her like Peterson?

[Anonymous No.12076769]

>>12076633
i already hate her

[Anonymous No.12077063]

>>12076769
Go die

[Anonymous No.12077083]

>>12077063
shut up weeb

[Anonymous No.12077114]

Has /lit/ finally succumbed to waifuposting?

[Anonymous No.12077580]

>>12076489
id like to go on with kon-chan if you know what i mean

[Anonymous No.12077854]

>>12062366
Hey lads, have you read The Book of Tea?

[Anonymous No.12077903]

>>12077854
Haven't read it yet

[Anonymous No.12079119]

>>12077903
Ok, thanks.

[Anonymous No.12079974]

>>12079119
You are welcome.

[Anonymous No.12080019]

>>12077854
No I have yet to do that.

[Anonymous No.12080029]

>>12080019
Understandable, have a nice day.

[Anonymous No.12080040]

>>12080029
Thank you, you too.

[Anonymous No.12080567]

>>12070298
This. I maintain several layers of grease, filth and detritus at all times to maintain robust inner dialogue, and that's only on my skin