/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12027824]

Why is Zizek considered to be a pseud?

[Anonymous No.12027874]

>>12027824
We're a right wing board, sweety. We prefer actual intellectuals like Jordan Peterson or Adolf Hitler. Leftism is a mental illness. Try the redpill

[Anonymous No.12027891]

>>12027824
cause his shtick is always the same. sometimes when he starts starts explaining something he'll even say "its obvious what i will say." basically it goes "if you really think about it this thing is like its opposite, and vice versa" or "these two opposite things are really the same"


to be fair i have not read less than nothing which is apparently important in his theoretical development, but what ive read of zizek so far he just synthesizes lacan and marx. i dont think this is pseud but once you grasp the theory youll see his analysis is just to apply that to politics and culture

[Anonymous No.12027907]

He's purposefully co-opting and subverting "popular intellectuals".

You propably don't have an understanding of his project unless you've read The Parallax View, Less Than Nothing or Adrian Johnston's work on him.

[Anonymous No.12027914]

just fucking look at him

[Anonymous No.12027933]

because he likes to have fun and is accessible unlike the rest of the turbo squares awarding themselves bourgeois trinkets like honorary degrees and lifetime excellence awards for post-sputnik intergalactic queer theory.

[Anonymous No.12027998]

Simple answer: he is an atheist

[Anonymous No.12028010]

>>12027998
Upvote! Deus Vult brother, we have to save western civilization

[Anonymous No.12028029]

>>12028010
you guys are the worst posters on this website

[Anonymous No.12028033]

>>12028010
We're Christians who have renounced women :) They haven't rejected us, we are now actively doing it. Read the Bible, son, and browse /pol/ for news and insights

[Anonymous No.12028038]

>>12028033
We haven’t renounced women at all.

And I’m a Muslim

[Anonymous No.12028054]

>>12028038
We hate women here, son. But I do appreciate how you goatfuckers treat your women. Libcucks could learn something there

[Anonymous No.12028076]

>>12028054
Okay butthurt loser, whateevr

[Anonymous No.12028084]

>>12028029
Yeah certainly not the “Christians” who flood every board with their retarded bullshit, it’s the board natives who are wrong

[Anonymous No.12028096]

>>12028084
i prefer retarded opinions to the exact same unfunny joke made 50 times a day

[Anonymous No.12028104]

>>12028096
It’s not meant to be funny, it’s meant to shame the retards

[Anonymous No.12028116]

>>12028104
If you want to shame yourself, just take a look in the mirror.

[Anonymous No.12028117]

He is not a pseud but his scope of expertise is much smaller than what he actually talks about so he can come across that way. It's a shame he has tied himself to the left because most leftists hate him and will deliberately misinterpret everything he says. I think it actually had an impact on his sanity, especially in the past 10 years. He's had a lot of difficulty adjusting to the twitter age.

[Anonymous No.12028118]

>>12028104
thank you for your service

[Anonymous No.12028133]

>>12027824
has written the same book like 50 times since the early 90s

[Anonymous No.12028135]

>>12028076
>a mudslime calling someone butthurt
that's rich

[Anonymous No.12028142]

>>12028117
he also has no insight in the post-post-ideological world, he kind of had a nice theory for when people pretended to believe in nothing

[Anonymous No.12028146]

>>12028116
Woah... I just got blown the fuck out

[Anonymous No.12028148]

1. Take Slavoj Žižek.
2. Remove the quirky mannerisms: the constant sniffling, the hands rubbing all over his face, the digits pressing on his nose, the tugging of his shirt, the generally intentionally untidy look, and the Slovenian accent that for some reason doesn't show up that much when he teaches German.
3. Remove the rhetorical strategies: the systematic, relentless series of interruptions of his unfortunate interlocutors (a habit of his he admits makes it impossible for him to be a successful clinical psychoanalyst), the "But I agree with you" followed by a deliberate, conscious misrepresentation of the differences of thought between him and the poor bastard on the receiving end of it, the omnipresent pop culture references, and the overused jokes too while we're at it.
4. Meditate on what exactly were his interdisciplinary studies like to find himself babbling in an academic setting about anything ranging from architecture to the environment to the economy to sociology to psychology to, well, pretty much anything, and which things would you like to have been taught to in order to feel prepared to undertake such a goal.
5. Meditate on what exactly would one expect would happen were there a generation of sufficiently numerous young men and women who can reliably tell you the differences between the first and second editions of the Phenomenology of the Spirit. Cool scholarship, what then?
6. Meditate on why is it that he has not found a prescription, nor discovered a cure for any of the problems he diagnoses in the immense variety of fields he pontificates about, and whether there is a correlation between that and the self-plagiarism wherein he repeats the same things he says endlessly like some mantra, as if the greater the number of repetitions would mean a greater merit, efficacy or ability to see the workings of ideology in reality.
7. Remove the pictures of Stalin from his living space.
8. You may now begin to understand why the man is not taken seriously, and so on.

[Anonymous No.12028898]

>>12028010
Ebic Post Brother.
See you at pol

[Anonymous No.12028971]

>>12028148
it's not his job to provide a cure retard. where's your cure? huh? why should i take YOU seriously?

[Anonymous No.12028976]

>>12028116
epic pwnage

[Anonymous No.12028997]

>>12027933
based

[Anonymous No.12029138]

>>12028084
>retarded bullshit
Redditors still cling to their juvenile hatred of God? Shocking.

[Anonymous No.12029226]

>>12027824

Because all he does is make superficial 'zany' polemical statements about random shit.

He follows a basic formula with all his bullshit. He open with some seemingly contradictory remark, then he delves into a word salad of philosophical/psychoanalytic terminology, a little sophistry, and a good-deal of namedropping, until he has reduced his earlier statement to a fairly-reasonable "edgy" idea that has been stated a thousand times before by more competent thinkers.

You have to admire him for extending the shelf-life of Freudian/Marxist French pseudery and marketing it to a new generation of normies. But anyone with even a cursory understanding of contemporary philosophy can see that nothing he says is original.

[Anonymous No.12029371]

>>12027933
dubs of truth

[Anonymous No.12029383]

>>12028971
based and red*sniff*ed

[Anonymous No.12029419]

>>12027824

[Anonymous No.12029425]

>>12028029
>>12028033
>>12028038
>not recognizing the irony
You're attacking one of your own you tone deaf pissants

[Anonymous No.12030016]

>>12028971
>where's your cure?
eat the rich
set up symposia so we can have actual interdisciplinary dialogue instead of this and other pseuds monologuing about all topics
leave outdated psychological theories and 18th century philosophers to history
stop being a midwit
you already have your hands full with trying to survive each and every day anyway, that's quite a lot of prescriptive behavior going on just to get by
>why should i take YOU seriously?
don't, as in, you people have like... worms for brains?

[Anonymous No.12030155]

>>12028971
but then he is just giving twitter-tier-zingers with no substance

[Anonymous No.12030185]

>>12027933
Since when was "having fun" part of a philosopher's job?

There's a guy who runs a hot dog stand on my street and he always looks like he's having fun. It doesn't improve the quality of his shitty hot dogs.

I don't read books in order to indulge in some lame academic horseplay. I'm not interested in some quirky faggot's ability to construct rationalizations for his edgy talking points. I don't get any entertainment out of that. And I don't understand why anyone would voluntarily spend their time and energy reading or watching that.

[Anonymous No.12030211]

>>12028971
>Tu quoque
Lmfao. He's a an actor playing the character of a neckbearded Slovenian cultural critic spreading the love of macho man Robespierrean brocialism who refuses to address why is it that revolutionary action and the freedom it would supposedly bring doesn't count as yet another an unobtainable objet petit a. The reason being that it would expose lacanian pessimism as counter revolutionary apologetics of the status quo, and the work of the Ljubjana school as a failed attempted synthesis between Hegel and the Schopenhauer that Freud and Lacan agreed so much with, something that shouldn't have been attempted in the first place had someone paid the faintest attention in class. No wonder he doesn't have a solution,
Nigga if you want to be a philosopher of the taken seriously kind, either destroy Habermas or find another job. Imagine a man looking and moving like autist extraordinaire Graham Harman, saying the same stupid shit as Žižek, it just doesn't work. It's all an act.

[Anonymous No.12030243]

>>12030185
>I don't read books in order to indulge in some lame academic horseplay. I'm not interested in some quirky faggot's ability to construct rationalizations for his edgy talking points.

Lol, that's philosophy in a nutshell. Why so mad? It's just a game.

[Anonymous No.12030341]

>>12030211
>brocialism
The fact that leftists use the prefix "bro" as an insult is hilarious. Were you guys traumatised by high school football players so badly that "bro" and people who say it are the sum of all evil lmao

[Anonymous No.12030347]

>>12030341
the funny things is that "bro" is never applied to anybody who conforms to traditional masculinity in any sense

[Anonymous No.12030360]

>>12030211
>Robespierrean brocialism
Sounds based as fuck

>>12030341
You do know that the brosocialism label is used to insult the very same leftists you are projecting on right?

[Anonymous No.12030389]

>>12030347
>the funny things is that "bro" is never applied to anybody who conforms to traditional masculinity in any sense
granted but it belies the psycho-sexual pathology at work in the left as plainly as the use of cuck does on the right
>>12030360
>You do know that the brosocialism label is used to insult the very same leftists you are projecting on right?
well obviously its an ingroup insult. My point is the absolute worst thing you people can imagine someone being is a meathead jock which is kinda revealing really

[Anonymous No.12030399]

>>12030389
>granted but it belies the psycho-sexual pathology at work in the left as plainly as the use of cuck does on the right
wasn't there a recent study where most democrats in the US had rape fantasies and most republicans getting cucked stuff

[Anonymous No.12030405]

>>12030399
a lot of vehement hatred is to compensate for repressed desire
classic example larry craig republicans, alex jones jerking it to trannies, /pol/ watching trap porn, etc

[Anonymous No.12030409]

>>12030389
>well obviously its an ingroup insult.
But it explicitly isn't? Do you even know who uses it or is this thread the first time you come across the phrase?

[Anonymous No.12030413]

>>12027824
Watch this:

https://youtu.be/_OAWRinR6GM

[Anonymous No.12030416]

>>12030409
Left wing politics are a spectrum. Bernie voters are left wing, just not as left wing as the type of person who thinks brocialist is an insult.

[Anonymous No.12030420]

>>12030416
>it's another american who thinks idpol = leftist
yikes

[Anonymous No.12030421]

>>12030399
>most democrats in the US had rape fantasies and most republicans getting cucked stuff
I think the rape fantasy thing skews female hard irrespective of politics. But yeah look anime nazis are the only reason I know what the fuck BLACKED is so if thats what the study said I wouldn't doubt lmao. Totally anecdotal but there is prominent feminist postgrad at the University of Sydney who I fucked several times not in spite of but because I was a muscular "far rightist" or whatever you want to say. "Conservative boys are her kink" in her words. Sexual psychology is just a total mess but broadly speaking the left (especially the women) are begging for a strong hand. The right on the other hand, both wants to be the strong hand and be subject to one. Weird shit but its more often true than not.
>>12030409
Ok its not ingroup from your perspective because of some arcane disagreement over taxes or 19th century theory. But from everyone else's view you're just squabbling among yourselves over trivial shit and "brocialist" is how you name call.

[Anonymous No.12030424]

>>12030416
>Left wing politics are a spectrum. Bernie voters are left wing, just not as left wing as the type of person who thinks brocialist is an insult.
that's not so clear
http://jmrphy.net/blog/2018/02/16/who-is-afraid-of-free-speech/
>The same pattern appears to hold. It’s not those who identify with the “far left” or “radical left” who are the most notably opposed to racist speakers. It’s those who place themselves as a 4 on a left-right scale from 0-10.

[Anonymous No.12030425]

>>12030424
interesting, so maybe this confirms the neolibs are the real problem

[Anonymous No.12030428]

>>12030416
>just not as left wing as the type of person who thinks brocialist is an insult.
Thats not the insult hard leftists uses for berniebros though. 'Brosocialist' is explicitly used by idpol SJWs against anti-idpol leftists to denounce their fixation on class. It is an outgroup insult.

Spare me your psychoanalysis based on flawed preceptions

[Anonymous No.12030432]

>>12030428
>>12030425
>>12030420
Where would you place idpol SJWs on the political spectrum?

[Anonymous No.12030435]

>>12030421
>Okay you are right based on your terms but no on mine
The people browbeating others with that term don't even think themselves as leftists

[Anonymous No.12030439]

>>12030432
Centrism

[Anonymous No.12030443]

>>12030432
they're still capitalists at the end of the day

[Anonymous No.12030447]

>>12030425
i mean adopting leftism in the current year is something top CEOs and elite journalists do, it's a completely neutralized ideology and doesn't serve for anything more than elite power games

on the other side one could argue that leftism was never anything else than that, an aristocratic elite playing power games and social engineering games with the masses

[Anonymous No.12030448]

>>12030435
Are you telling me that liberals are the exclusive users of the word brocialist? I promise you not a single Ellen show viewer knows what the fuck that means or is. Leftists shitting on leftists are the overwhelming users of that term

[Anonymous No.12030456]

>>12030439
radical centrism?

[Anonymous No.12030457]

>>12030243
>being so much of an incel that you turn to philosophy for fun
please kill yourself

[Anonymous No.12030462]

>>12030243
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A

[Anonymous No.12030466]

>>12030448
Yes, you retard.

> I promise you not a single Ellen show viewer knows what the fuck that means or is.
What kind of non-sequitur is that? Not all liberals watch Ellen and not all Ellen watchers are liberals. The people that do use it are the ones who are more involved in intersectionality than fucking television shows.

>Leftists shitting on leftists are the overwhelming users of that term
Oh trust me, I don't deny that accusations and labels are thrown around like free candy within the Left. It is just that brosocialism sure as shit isn't one of them.

[Anonymous No.12030477]

>>12030456
Yes

[Anonymous No.12030478]

>>12030432
Americans.

Wasted nearly 20 years of goodwill and completely ignored the 2008 financial collapse in favor of their obsession with gays getting married. Incapable of imagining a less consumerist world, only one in which every mudhutterite has the latest iphone. Ignored ecology for the international global warming shell game. Gutted unions by importing a third world peasant class so they could enjoy mexican food made by central americans and posture as !not racist. Brains shrunken by lack of exercise and advertising.

>t. Texan

[Anonymous No.12030488]

>>12030432
Useful idiots for the status quo, easy base for the Democrats to placate with empty #resist anti racist rhetoric while they continue big business crony capitalism. As long as they do that and do photo ops with Katy Perry and Beyonce, the base will be fine with it.

[Anonymous No.12030503]

>>12030466
/r/socialism and /r/anarchism often threw that accusation at /leftypol/ back when they were relevant.
Now of course you are going to tell me they are red liberals and you are right. I can't imagine the severity of their cognitive dissonance when they learn about that Marx letter where he calls Lassalle a "jewish nigger".

[Anonymous No.12030507]

>>12030432
in the same spot as the bankers

[Anonymous No.12030537]

>>12027824

Where is the connection to Bartleby? Idgi

[Anonymous No.12030599]

>>12030503
>posting a pic that has no mention of brosocialism
I was thinking more of the accusations thrown at Mark Fisher back when he was still alive. Idk what r/socialism or r/anarchism are up to, since Reddit of any forms are cancer

>Marx letter where he calls Lassalle a "jewish nigger".
>it is another people back then were kinda racist for their time therefore we disavow whatever they say episode
People who operate on that or those who assume others (like you) should unironically kill themselves

[Anonymous No.12030838]

>>12030599
>>posting a pic that has no mention of brosocialism
>I was thinking more of the accusations thrown at Mark Fisher back when he was still alive. Idk what r/socialism or r/anarchism are up to, since Reddit of any forms are cancer
My point was that self-professed socialists and anarchists who heavily prioritize idpol over class conflict do exist, they can even be moderators of socialist forums. These are the same people who call old-school socialists "brocialists" and who were mad when Mark Fisher exposed their imposture.
Therefore, "brocialist" is more an ingroup insult than an outgroup thing, even if the people who tend to use it are mostly radlibs with red aesthetics.
Moreover, virtue-signalling here about ">muh reddit" won't change that most leftists are moral narcissists who don't read Marx. There is barely any difference between reddit leftists and IRL leftists.

>>it is another people back then were kinda racist for their time therefore we disavow whatever they say episode
>People who operate on that or those who assume others (like you) should unironically kill themselves
>or those who assume others (like you)
What did you mean by this? You are naive if you think plebs don't do so. Redlibs don't disavow Marx because they would come across as ridiculous, but it's a standard practice nowadays to dig up some "problematic" thing someone said once to demonize them.

[Anonymous No.12030931]

>>12030838
>they can even be moderators of socialist forums. These are the same people who call old-school socialists "brocialists" and who were mad when Mark Fisher exposed their imposture
Man this is yet another string of projections and assumptions that you have made up just so you can browbeat leftists ITT that you have yet to prove or back up this whole thread.

>What did you mean by this?
It is stupid to do so and stupid to assume other people are stupid so you can feel smug about it

[Anonymous No.12031022]

>>12028029
im not that faggot but would argue its the people making those shitpost pro western and white race propoganda posts that shit up this site
its not fun anymore and definatly not anything inspired
its just insecurities of people who will never achieve anything along the lines of "saving" western civilization and will most likely end up doing allot of those things they are so desperatly against later down in theri lives , maybe even some of those things they'll do unconsciously

[Anonymous No.12031025]

>>12030456
this image is funny
its both making fun of the journalists and the retard who made this image because he didnt understand the original quote and its context

[Anonymous No.12031216]

He is spooky.

[Anonymous No.12031239]

>>12030931
>muh projections
Just google "site:reddit.com brocialist"
Just go outside your house and meet up with socialists and anarchists IRL
I'm not trying to browbeat anyone, I'm only disenchanted by the state of the modern left. Instead of pushing for the abolishment of wage slavery and a reduction of work hours, the average leftist either squabble over idpol or LARP as a Bolshevik. This is a sad state of affairs, and coincidentally doesn't bother the upper-class very much.

>It is stupid to assume other people are stupid so you can feel smug about it
I guess Zizek is stupid then.

[Anonymous No.12031398]

>>12031239
What is this, the fourth or fifth post that you made without providing any evidence for your assertions yet again? You just playing up to people's assumptions and preconceptions as proof which is empty rhetoric at best, weasel words at worst.

>I'm not trying to browbeat anyone, I'm only disenchanted by the state of the modern left.
Oh please spare me the fake tears and concern trolling. Not as if labor organizing and trade unionism isn't fully dead in America, go join a union or IWW instead of caring what internet people are (allegedly) talking about.

>I guess Zizek is stupid then.
He is not making the same level of terrible assumptions you are.

[Anonymous No.12031447]

Zizek meanders a lot, but definitely seems to have the earnest, intellectually obsessed quality that contributes to being a good thinker. I really wish he'd seized on a thinker other than Lacan, who might've said anything to justify one of his theories.

Someone on /lit/ a few weeks ago said that he couldn't think of a better example of intellectual bad faith than citing Lacan. I won't go that far, but he definitely had charlatan qualities.

[Anonymous No.12031454]

>>12027933
hahahaha

[Anonymous No.12031521]

>>12030456
How do I become a based brainchad like Macron?

[Anonymous No.12031549]

becuase like all continentialists
he's just a well read op-ed writer,

the guy lacks a syllogistic analytic backbone.
he doesnt have any novel insights either.
its all been said.

people dont want to listen to him becuase he'll say something "new". people listen to him becuase it what they want to hear.

to be fair- "revolutionaries" are usually labeled as "pseuds" by the people they rebel against.

[Anonymous No.12031576]

>>12027933
>turbo squares

[Anonymous No.12031651]

>>12031521
Just read Habermas
>>12031447
>Someone on /lit/ a few weeks ago said that he couldn't think of a better example of intellectual bad faith than citing Lacan
I can: being Lacan

[Anonymous No.12031679]

>>12031398
>muh proofs
What do you want me to do? Produce a sociological study on how leftist attitudes changed over the span of the last century, just to make a point to an autist on a Nigerian basket-weaving forum? Get your head out of your ass.

You know what, I give up. You are right, the left is striving, everyone is getting along fine, the IWW has hundred of thousands members just like in 1917, proletarian revolution is coming soon and I'm just a stupid defeatist.
>inb4 I never any of implied this
Exactly, you didn't imply anything because you have nothing to say.

[Anonymous No.12031691]

>>12031398 #
>muh proofs
What do you want me to do? Produce a sociological study on how leftist attitudes changed over the span of the last century, just to make a point to an autist on a Nigerian basket-weaving forum? Get your head out of your ass.

You know what, I give up. You are right, the left is striving, everyone is getting along fine, the IWW has hundred of thousands members just like in 1917, proletarian revolution is coming soon and I'm just a stupid defeatist.
>inb4 I never implied any of this
Exactly, you didn't imply anything because you have nothing to say.

[Anonymous No.12031817]

>>12030243
>It's just a game.
Unironically this. As a scientist, I used to respect philosophy until I actually read it. Then I realized it's all inapplicable bullshit that only other philosophers with their heads up each other's recta even give two fucks about. I still think it's fun but I've lost any delusion that it can be considered "important" to educated people in today's day and age.

[Anonymous No.12031822]

>>12031817
coping this hard

[Anonymous No.12031836]

>>12030432
leftypol says idpol is far right, bare in mind nationalism is technically idpol. problem is even the furthest left ideologies have idpol in them, gobbunism has it more than fascism for example

[Anonymous No.12031837]

>>12031822
Coping with what?

[Anonymous No.12031974]

im so glad this thread is here. ihad a dream last night where i was talking to a girl and i name dropped zizek even though i have literally no idea what he's about. she asked me to explain and i realized i literally couldnt and got really nervous and then woke up.

what did my dream mean, bros?

[Anonymous No.12031995]

>>12030243
Thanls for showing socialists are justself centered brats

[Anonymous No.12032013]

>>12031974
You're a pseud

[Anonymous No.12032019]

>>12031837
Your inability to understand ideas outside of your own field of expertise.
I.e., you're a brainlet

[Anonymous No.12032034]

>>12032013
is that why my dreams are always so down to earth and grounded in reality? like are bigbrain dreams the really abstract, fantastical ones?

[Anonymous No.12032049]

>>12031651
Fair. It's not bad faith if it's meant to be intentionally misleading, however.

[Anonymous No.12032065]

>>12031817
>as a scientist
Who gives a shit? I bet you read Sam Harris

[Anonymous No.12032106]

>>12032034
I think dreams are what exactly what you make of them, nothing more or less. Your interpretation is the most valid one.

Your other question is an interesting one. I do think that dreams might reflect the "logical architecture" of your patterns of thought in a way. But I think mostly it's about what you dedicate your day to thinking. If you're preoccupied with social interactions or if your self-worth is based on how intelligent you seem to others then that's what you'll dream about. I do think more intelligent people dream about things removed from their own personal experience because the ability to abstract is a pretty key aspect of intelligence.