/jew/ general

[Anonymous No.12001292]

Thought we could have a running thread devoted to the literary accomplishments of the highest IQ and most persecuted/envied racial group on the planet

It's hard to deny that they are the most /lit/ people who ever lived. I mean they wrote the BIBLE, the foundation of Western civilization

[Anonymous No.12001307]

>>12001292
>most persecuted
Nah, we ain't got shit on our melatonin enriched friends.

[Anonymous No.12001323]

The Old Testament was written by Jews for devout Jews.
The New Testament is universalist.
There is not one Bible, but there are instead two. Even interpretations of any given book from the Old Testament (which is what is common to both) vary greatly between Jewish theologians and Christian theologians. See for example, the gap between Maimonides and Aquinas' commentary on the Book of Job.
Jews live at God's mercy, and with profound piety bow before none but Him, whereas Christians live with hope, joy, and feel grateful for what they have, doing good acts in hope of having an even greater reward in the Afterlife.

[Anonymous No.12001339]

>>12001323
just in time to join the livestrean anon
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h-9ivNL2D20&ebc=ANyPxKrYDdgoKgyGFEFPmKG-Vuh0aUqLwoE0A9Kec7Nm2taXSCBtX43_QJ160L4S0hvCFp2QWNLiqLB7QdSfQFDGTisri304qA

[Anonymous No.12001348]

patrick modiano is my favorite /jew/ writer. his best books though are the ones that have nothing to do with his Jewry. just like the conniving jew that he is, he was smart enough to keep his real literature separate from his holocaust pandering. it worked so well that he won a nobel prize lmao.

>Anissimov described the young Modiano’s obsessions as a kind of mania. “When I met him,” she recalled, “he looked like a disturbed person. We wandered the city all night. He wanted to show me all the places where the Germans tortured people, the Gestapo places. And when he came to the house, he would start speaking German and calling out, ‘Heil Hitler!’ ”

he would've been a /pol/tard too

[Anonymous No.12001367]

I just realized I don't really know any Jewish writers other than Wittgenstein and he wasn't practicing. Whom I missing out on?

[Anonymous No.12001376]

>>12001367
he was not jewish, he just had some jewish ancestry

[Anonymous No.12001384]

>>12001367
marx and every post-modern writer except that gay guy with aids who was catholic

[Anonymous No.12001417]

>>12001292
I love jews

[Anonymous No.12001418]

For a supposedly super duper intelligent people, they have surprisingly few top tier writers. Ok, there's Kafka, but apart from that? There's a looong fucking way from Saul Bellow and Philip Roth to the peaks of the western tradition..

[Anonymous No.12001425]

>>12001417
Jews rock!

[Anonymous No.12001430]

>>12001307
>>12001376
>>12001418
t. antisemitic Hitlerites

[Anonymous No.12001432]

>>12001418
They've had some decent philosophers, overwhelmingly Sephardic ancestry

[Anonymous No.12001441]

>>12001367
Please leave that stupid ignorant Witty away from my people. He doesn't have any remote part of jewish genius. What a fucking cuck.

[Anonymous No.12001448]

Genuinely find it hard to know which writers ive read that are jewish as they change their surnames so often. Is there a chart for this? Who should I start with?

[Anonymous No.12001466]

>>12001441
I can't believe you would say that, Frank wasn't a cuck.

[Anonymous No.12001475]

I have been trying to solve the jew question for quite some time.
I think their brain power and awareness comes sexuality(read old testament, zohar, tree of life), they know the male seed not only gives life to a new human being but to the host too.

Woman's lifeforce is of a totally different kind so never will reach the same peak as a man.

They cultivate their sexuality to gain power and they don't waste the precious seed. With circumcision they reduce the pleasure enough to prevent ejaculation and stimulate the sexual energy.

That's also why nofap fag are fucked, they practically castrate themselves kek.

trld; start with the jews

[Anonymous No.12001492]

>>12001292
>>12001323
If the Old Testament forms the bloodstream of western civilisation, then the bones and the marrow of the western world would be cuneiform. The Old Testament occurred at the halfway point of Earth's literary canon, and owes an enormous debt to the writings of Sumer and Akkad, Babylon and Canaan. Only recently with the rise of historical archaeology in the Near East has the debt we owe to clay brick writing become known.

[Anonymous No.12001520]

>>12001432
um wittgenstein was ashkenazi sweetie

[Anonymous No.12001523]

how is that book about the guy who jacks off all the time not a meme

[Anonymous No.12001541]

>>12001520
I said overwhelmingly, not 100%.

[Anonymous No.12001558]

>>12001418
Proust isn't too bad.

[Anonymous No.12001562]

>>12001523
w-what book?
asking for myself

[Anonymous No.12001565]

>>12001562
your diary desu

[Anonymous No.12001590]

>>12001558
Half-jew, but I take your point.

[Anonymous No.12001598]

>>12001541
can only think of spinoza atm

[Anonymous No.12001692]

>>12001367
Chomsy, Bar-hillel, Putnam, Tarski, Tversky, Kahnneman, Katz, Fodor, and a bunch of other linguists, Analytic philosophers, and logicians.

[Anonymous No.12001700]

>>12001692
Not really my 'hing

[Anonymous No.12001702]

>>12001367
Asimov? Also the crazy Atlas Shrugged lady.

[Anonymous No.12001706]

>>12001292
The Bible isn't bad

[Anonymous No.12001707]

>>12001598
off the top of my head without even googling it:
ibn gabirol
ibn ezra
maimonides
del medigo (two of them)
yehuda halevi

[Anonymous No.12001847]

Any other fellow Jew living in Springfield, Ohio? Its so lonely here. My book club friends keep asking me about the history of the Israelites around Yeshu's time but I can't give them a single resource to look up

Any ideas?

[Anonymous No.12001861]

>>12001847
josephus, and don't say "yeshu" that's a curse. it's yeshua or yehoshua

[Anonymous No.12001877]

>>12001861
Have I strayed away from the community too long that I started calling him that? Oh dear

[Anonymous No.12001907]

>>12001877
no that's what jews always call him. it's a curse. it's a hebrew acronym Yehimakh Shemo (may his name be obliterated) shortens to Yeshu. His actual name is Yeshua in hebrew or Iesous in Greek

[Anonymous No.12001923]

>>12001307
>melatonin

[Anonymous No.12001928]

How many Jews are there in /lit/ anyway?

t. Israeli who lives in Golan

[Anonymous No.12002000]

>>12001928
has posting on 4chan made you into a self-hating jew at all? has it "redpilled" you on the jq?

[Anonymous No.12002031]

>>12001475
What? Retaining sexual power is precisely the point of “nofap”, and succeeds at that for men.

[Anonymous No.12002046]

>>12002000
Not him, but if you actually go over to that particular containment board and try to hold any discourse with the locals, about anything, it's hard work. They're very unconvincing with their arguments regarding this issue in particular.

What I'm wondering though; is if anti-Zionism is always, by jews, considered anti-semitic?

Spinoza is very good btw, and often misunderstood

[Anonymous No.12002050]

>>12002046
>; is

[Anonymous No.12002076]

>>12002046
/pol/ is retarded, but some things are just facts. like the prominence of jews in finance, media, feminism, and dirty politics. these things aren't talked about openly in public, so im wondering if his exposure to these facts on this site has influenced him at all

[Anonymous No.12002092]

>>12002076
>>12002000

It has made me curious, I find no reason to be a self hating jew, I'm actually quite flattered that the morons of /pol/ think we hold that much power

[Anonymous No.12002097]

>>12002000
fuck off, /pol/tard. jews just need to let go of the chosen people meme, embrace the philosophical core of the christian tradition, and they're fine.

[Anonymous No.12002105]

>>12002097
why do your think im a "/pol/tard", i dont hate jews
>>12002092
jews (or rather a jewish elite, not all) do have a lot of power

[Anonymous No.12002115]

>>12002050
I edited it grammatically before posting, so yeah, fun game; ask the same question but beginning with "is"

[Anonymous No.12002116]

>>12002105
True but the radicals at /pol/ think that everyone Jewish is out to get them lol

[Anonymous No.12002121]

>>12002105
the impression that the self-hating jew is mostly a /pol/ meme, you know, an admission of guilt, straight out of the horses mouth. assumed you were fishing for a response that would validate that kind of worldview.

[Anonymous No.12002129]

>>12002121
there is such a thing as self hating jew. gilad atzmon, israel shamir, david cole etc for example.

[Anonymous No.12002132]

>>12002121
the self hating jew is a real, if rather rare, phenomenon. Obviously Weininger is the classic example

Ryan Gosling actually stars in a movie about a jewish neonazi which is very well done

[Anonymous No.12002133]

>>12002121
>>12002129
anyway, self hating jew is not a /pol/ meme, the term is mostly used by jews against other jews when they dont go along with jewish interests. so anti-zionist jews are often accused by other jews of being self hating, for example

[Anonymous No.12002146]

>>12001367
Sholem Aleichem, Saul Bellow, Philip Roth, Norman Mailer, and Isaac Singer are good writers. Ginsberg's early material was great, but he became a caricature of himself as time went on; overall he's probably the weakest of the Beats. Heinrich Heine left the religion, but his writings have a Jewish quality (especially in the humor) to them. Susan Sontag and Cynthia Ozick are good essayists, and Harold Bloom should go without saying here. He's probably the greatest Jewish poet to have ever lived. As far as philosophers go there's Isaiah Berlin, Hilary Putnam, and Saul Kripke are great thinkers. On the continental side there's a number of Marxists (Marx himself, Adorno, Horkheimer, etc.), Husserl, and, though I'm not particularly interested in his work, Derrida.

[Anonymous No.12002157]

>>12002105
The communist party of China, Arab oil sheikhs, the old money elite in Europe, the so-called Church of Scientology, etc. These also have power, and aren't Jewish.

I feel like, and maybe I shouldn't put the idea out, the powerful jews could do more against their declared enemies if they wanted too. Perhaps it's like a wasp in your room, one is not really a problem until they build a nest and swarm.

What I don't like, is how pretty much any thread regarding jews becomes derailed by anti-semitism. I wonder if there is an Irish literature appreciate thread, or a German philosophy appreciation thread, or anything else regarding any other kind of people (possibly with the exception of Niggers), does this occur. Really, if you're not racist it's impossible to be an actual anti-semite, and race is for psueds

[Anonymous No.12002163]

>>12002146
>Susan Sontag
you know she says stuff like this?

> The white race is the cancer of human history; it is the white race and it alone—its ideologies and inventions—which eradicates autonomous civilizations wherever it spreads, which has upset the ecological balance of the planet, which now threatens the very existence of life itself

Why is this allowd but if we merely point out that Jews do some bad things we are told to go back to pol

[Anonymous No.12002165]

>>12002157
i didn't say jews were the only ones with power. like i said, im not /pol/

[Anonymous No.12002173]

>>12002133
self hating jew is kind of the Jewish version of an Uncle Tom, thematically.
Self hating is not exclusively Jewish either

[Anonymous No.12002184]

>>12002165
Ok, but apply that line of questioning to all people who are of a kind with people in power. It's as dumb as meeting an Englishman and saying some shit like "are you redpilled on the power of the queen, who is also english, and all the bad guy stuff the british empire did?"

[Anonymous No.12002188]

>>12002129
Sure, it doesn't prove anything though. there are self-hating whites, self-hating guys, self-hating straight people, etc. if there's enough criticism leveled against a given group, some individuals within that group will side with the critics to escape judgement, to come off as allies, maybe they just had a bad life and this gives them something to blame it on.
>>12002133
An anti-zionist Jew isn't a self-hating Jew, they're a Jew who has an identity outside of and above their group identity. I don't care about racial purity as such, but that isn't the same as hating my race (the real borders a society should be worried about protecting aren't primarily genetic, they're cultural, temperamental and hierarchical).

[Anonymous No.12002190]

>>12002184
But that is exactly what everybody does when talking about the English, imperialism this, postcolonialism that.

[Anonymous No.12002191]

>>12002163
Because she's written other works that are worth reading even if she made a dumb comment. Also, if you read the full quote,she claims that Marx is white, which would imply she believed Jews (or at the very least western Jews), to be white.

Even then, do the things you point out meaningfully relate to literature in anyway? Some great writers were horrible antisemites, but I don't think anyone would tell you to go back to /pol/ if you were merely discussing Pound or Celine's works.

[Anonymous No.12002197]

>>12002190
and that's a good thing?

[Anonymous No.12002202]

>>12001292
Discussions of race are for those sad individuals who have so few virtues of their own to extol that they have to rely on the perceived traits that they share with so many millions of their brethren.

[Anonymous No.12002211]

>>12002202
Very jewish post that only jews will get

[Anonymous No.12002213]

>>12002202
what about discussions of culture/religious tradition?

[Anonymous No.12002215]

>>12002184
no, jews have power well out of proportion to their size. they are definitely a unique case, and they also have an agressive and nuclear armed state. it's not meaningless to analyze jewis power, but it is pretty dumb to think they are the only power holders like /pol/ does
>it doesn't prove anything though
I wasn't exactly trying to prove anything, i was just contending that it is a meaningful term, and i was asking anon if he identified with it
>An anti-zionist Jew isn't a self-hating Jew
that's a fine opinion to have, i was just pointing out that jews who are antizionist are frequently accused of being self hating. you can debate whether that's a fair label or not, but that's a separate question and i have no horse in that race

[Anonymous No.12002225]

>>12002215
this is also replying to
>>12002188

[Anonymous No.12002301]

>>12002213
Discussions of culture and religion are different, because they're not as entwined with the self as race. I have less of a problem with individuals extolling their culture and religion over all others, as I feel it has less of a desperate grasp towards personal relevancy.

[Anonymous No.12002330]

>>12002211
I get it, but I'm a muslim. That sense of belonging to a group is from the animal self, it gives rise to things like nationalism if unchecked

[Anonymous No.12002342]

>>12002330
My post rather was more of 'The only people who hate Jews more than Nazis are other Jews' highlighting the rise of individualism among Jewish circles

[Anonymous No.12002370]

>>12002215
I can recommend this pic related, it's a bit dense possibly if you're not overly familiar with Christian eschatology and millennialism. I think the author was, or is, a rabbi and chair of Jewish studies at iirc Cardiff University.

The power is backed up by power, and the vast majority of Zionists in the world are Christians

[Anonymous No.12003573]

>>12001928
Half Jew living in Germany.

>>12002000
The whole /pol/ stuff is more likely to turn someone into Jew supremacist given how it's basically "a superior race controlling inferior ones". It's a shame that race is an outdated meme.

[Anonymous No.12003701]

>>12001928
Israeli Jew, grew up around Jerusalem, not really living anywhere, planning my escape

[Anonymous No.12003757]

>>12001292

[Anonymous No.12003872]

>>12001590
It was from his mother, which makes him Jewish.

[Anonymous No.12004034]

>>12001928
sephardic jew who lives in south america

[Anonymous No.12004069]

Shalom, /lit/

I am deeply sorry to report that we Jews, through no fault of our own, have--yet again--been persecuted

Yes... it is true.

We are victims

I take no pleasure in being an innocent Hebrew who has been pogromed by a big strong goy. This position of immense cultural and moral and legal authority is not one I enjoy being in. That hateful goy was likely jealous of our admittedly massive brains and gigantic two inch penises (reluctant though I am to admit it)

In these trying times, are there any talented Jewish voices who can speak to me in my darkness?

We Jews are no strangers to suffering. My grandfather was once denied admission to Harvard and forced to attend Princeton, a school only 25% Jewish. When he became a movie star, he was refused sex by his shiksa costar and forced to settle for a much older (practically geriatric) middle schooler.

In his pain, he found solace in the writings of talented and intelligent Jewish writers who are talented geniuses deserving of their stature. Talented and cruelly under-discussed geniuses like Roth, Sontag, Arendt, Ginsberg, Bellow, Freud, Mailer and Franco. Great pillars of literature, who are sincerely deserving of their fame and stature.

Now that I must suffer to watch Jews get murdered on my television screen (a fate more fit to Palestinian babies), I ask merely for the comfort that my grandfather took when wasn't allowed to join a country club or get 15% off on 2 6oz cans of Heinz Baked Beans. Cans that were clearly marked 15% off in the aisle he took them from.

Indeed, I ask for that great fount from which we Jews have often drunk, that noblest and most envied trait of ours: genius.

[Anonymous No.12004119]

>>12001475
Then way the dominance of circumcision in unitedstatian culture as a whole, why give the gentile the secret weapon ?

[Anonymous No.12004355]

>>12004069
>when wasn't allowed to get 15% off on 2 6oz cans of Heinz Baked Beans
This made me cry, man. How can the world be so cruel?

[Anonymous No.12005262]

>>12001292
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKEKiILJSEs

NEVER SHOULD HAVE COME HERE

[Anonymous No.12005333]

>>12002092
Circumcision is cattle-branding humans for spiritual entities. Jews are the first slaves and spread it further.

[Anonymous No.12005355]

>>12003872
Wrong. It makes him exactly half Jewish. There's a non-negotiable difference between dogma and biological reality.

[Anonymous No.12005365]

>>12001692
>Chomsky

[Anonymous No.12005399]

>>12005355
Enough for the chambers is surely enough for jew cred.

[Anonymous No.12005421]

>>12001432
What about Husserl, Bergson, Wittgenstein, Adorno, Benjamin, Shestov, Lévi-Strauss, Aron, Levinas or Buber you fucking pseud?

[Anonymous No.12005422]

The best jewish writers are tv writers

[Anonymous No.12005474]

>>12005355
>>12005399

I love how there's no definition of Jews, yet some people seem to think Jews are an issue.

[Anonymous No.12005820]

>>12005421
>Lévi-Strauss
The jeans guy?

[Anonymous No.12005826]

>>12005820
no anon the French one

[Anonymous No.12005842]

>>12003573
>super-duper intelligent jew
>race is a meme
pick one faggot

[Anonymous No.12005860]

>How odd of God
>To choose the Jews

[Anonymous No.12005905]

>>12005826
>French
>Jew
Pick one, Schlomo

[Anonymous No.12005958]

>>12005842
>member of the superior race tells you that race is a meme
Quite the dilemma you got now, goym.

[Anonymous No.12006034]

>>12005262
>Sure those Weinsteins at the top are nepotistic and hateful creeps, but most Jews are reasonable, normal people just like you and m--

[Anonymous No.12006063]

>>12005422
I don't know why they're so attached to this myth that they're good at storytelling, honestly they kind of suck at it relative to other arts. Pop music, comedy, movies, okay, but there's only like three truly great Jewish writers and most of them made a point of rejecting their Jewishness.

[Anonymous No.12006072]

>>12006034
Why only judging the Juice on their elite scumbags? Are all crackers like the Koch bros?

>>12006063
Almost every decent writer did reject the organised form of their religion. Just some did it in more subtle ways due living in times where it'd be deadly to question it too openly.

[Anonymous No.12006130]

Is isaac babel any good?

[Anonymous No.12006134]

>>12005474
Almost as stupid as the fools who believe that they are jews themselves.

[Anonymous No.12006521]

>>12005905
Va niquer ta mère petit anglo de mes couilles, les Juifs défendaient la Patrie dans le sang et les larmes que ta grand-mère la pute ne s'était pas encore faite sauter par tout le 43e dragons.

[Anonymous No.12006590]

>>12001367
Yeah, it's pretty remarkable given that there's a meme that Jews are great writers. Then you take a look and realize that the better writer he is, the more likely he is to have a good deal of gentile blood.

Kafka and Weininger are pretty good. Can't really think of any other good Jewish writers, much less great. Asimov and the like are writers of genre fiction.

The Old Testament is great, but it was composed by a people as distant from modern Jews as the English are from modern Russians.

[Anonymous No.12006594]

>>12003872
>It was from his mother, which makes him Jewish.
According to your law, but not objectively, no. It makes him mixed.

[Anonymous No.12006626]

>>12006590
>The Old Testament is great, but it was composed by a people as distant from modern Jews as the English are from modern Russians.
get a load of this goy. Don't be jealous that our forefathers wrote the two best books ever (OT&NT)

[Anonymous No.12006745]

>>12006590
Proust and Spinoza are the only Jews besides Kafka who can be considered elite geniuses

Gertrude Stein, Salinger, Bruno Schulz, and Primo Levi are great entertainers, but not elite

Marx and Freud are propagandists

Roth, Mailer, Bellow, and Singer are affirmative action recipients. Decent writers who owe their undeserved fame and prestige more to the Jewish practice of rewarding fellow Jews for being Jewish than their talent (although I do admit they all have talent, talent which has been massively overexaggerated)

Can't really think of any others worth mentioning.

All in all, I would say that the Jews have absolutely nothing on the major European and Asian literatures. Jack diddly squat. There's no Jew who can seriously be compared to Shakespeare or Goethe or Dante or Cervantes, for example. Not even a Milton. Kafka, nervous demented Kafka, comes the closest, but I've only been grazed by awe in Kafka, not overwhelmed by it. They also have surprisingly little on relatively small but impressive European literatures like Irish and Norwegian literature.

The way they give themselves prizes you would think they were comparable to the Russians. They are barely even at the level of the Dutch!

[Anonymous No.12006874]

>>12006626
>our forefathers
Lol
>>12006745
Proust was half gentile
>asian literature
>good

[Anonymous No.12007199]

>>12002202
Thanks Mr. Peterson

[Anonymous No.12007209]

>>12001292
>not realizing that the greeks played a larger role in the biblical story than the jews

[Anonymous No.12007243]

>>12006521
hon hon hon omelette du fromage oui oui.

[Anonymous No.12007407]

>>12002330

salam brother, why are you disregarding the importance of community when we emphasize so greatly the value of the ummah?

[Anonymous No.12007456]

>>12002157
>one is not really a problem until they build a nest and swarm.
literally israel

[Anonymous No.12008542]

>>12006521
>défendaient la Patrie
>Patrie
>Gueuse
choisissez une, Moishe

[Anonymous No.12009179]

>>12002092
you're retared, literally no one gives a shit about ordinary jews except mentally ill larping fagots.
What people care about is the tribalism and nepotism everpresent in the jewish elite.