/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11978392]

how do i get into muslim literature?

[Anonymous No.11978395]

>>11978392
Start by burning all the other literature you own

[Anonymous No.11978401]

>>11978392
Get a solid review of Islamic history, and then work the bibliography/endnotes over like a whore on your birthday

>>11978395
also this

[Anonymous No.11978473]

>>11978395
Because it's so good that you won't need other literature or because it's so incompatible with other literature that you become forced to choose one or the other?

[Anonymous No.11978648]

Qommence with the Quran.
Then this >>11978401
Many of Islamic world's most important poets (Rumi, Omar Khayyam, Ferdowsi) came from Persia/Iran, which is why you might want to pay special attention to the history of the successive Persian empires.

[Anonymous No.11978685]

>>11978473
it's not that incompatible with Western or Chinese literature. after all, they started with the Greeks (Avicenna and most of the other Muslim philosophers were Aristotleans and considered themselves the heirs of Greek philosophy), and Journey to the West is literally about a pilgrimage through Central Asia to get Buddhist texts (pre-Islam, but my point is that the European, Middle Eastern, and Eastern territories were in constant contact, that's literally the point of the Silk Road). after Ghazali they dip hard into esotericism, faith, and non-rational philosophy, but the West had the same strands
fp was probably just making a 'lmao muslims burn books' joke tho

[Anonymous No.11978734]

>>11978685
I figured he was making a qualitative assessment.
I understand that one ought to begin with the Greeks, then move to Christian literature in the late antiquity/middle ages and then transition into the enlightenment. Where should I insert Islamic literature into this order and which are the essential Islamic philosophers and fiction works I should read? I'd be particularly interested in anything esoteric or mystical as well as some epic poetry.

[Anonymous No.11978879]

>>11978734
if you're gonna read chronologically then slot them in chronologically. like I said, Muslim philosophers considered themselves the heirs to Greek philosophy. Al-Kindi introduces Hellenism into the Muslim world. Ibn Sina/Avicenna takes it the furthest (his Book of Healing was the primary medical text until...maybe the 16th century?). Al Ghazali wrote a response that anally destroyed the concept of applying Greek rationality to Islam (The Incoherence of the Philosophers). Ibn Rushd/Averroes then anally destroyed Al Ghazali with The Incoherence of the Incoherence, and also reintroduced Hellenism into Europe. Aquinas directly addressed Averroes, so that should tell you how much medieval Muslim and Christians were in contact.

there's so many others but if you read any history of the region then you'll learn their names. Ibn Arabi, Al-Farabi, Rumi, Ibn Khaldoon, etc.

contrary to most advice, I'm gonna say not to read any kind of ..."interpretation" of the Quran. unless you're really interested in the autistic detail that they go into for their laws, in which case you'll want to read a tafsir alongside it. you'll probably most enjoy the shorter, more poetic chapters near the end. the long ones are fairly dry

for fiction then Thousand and One Nights (fable/myth collection from almost everywhere), Kalila va Dimna/Panchatantra (animal fable from India), Shahname (epic), Conference of the Birds (Sufi mystic poem, I'd compare it to the Divine Comedy) are the most stand-out single works.
for Sufi-ism, read Rumi and Jami

[Anonymous No.11978884]

>>11978392
>how do i get into muslim literature?
Start with the Germans

[Anonymous No.11978948]

>>11978392
set about with the salafists

[Anonymous No.11978966]

>>11978395
FPBP
>>11978884
jej
>>11978392
What the fuck do you mean by that? "Where to start"? Easy, read the oldest shit first then work your way up.

[Anonymous No.11979506]

>>11978879
Screenshotted. Thank you, anon. I will look into the authors and texts you've mentioned.

[Anonymous No.11979574]

>>11978879
This. Good post.

There's a peculiar gap in most western education, between ancient history and modern history

[Anonymous No.11979633]

>>11978401
Thanks for this recc. This sounds perfect. Not OP by the way, but I'm also interested in Islamic literature.

[Anonymous No.11979637]

>>11978392
Only read the Sufis

[Anonymous No.11979840]

>easternshit
>ever
newfags have to go back.

[Anonymous No.11980149]

>>11978401
This. More History and non-fiction on Islam.

[Anonymous No.11980172]

>>11978392
there is no "muslim" literature. you can get into specific countries' literatures.

[Anonymous No.11980204]

>>11980172
What country is the korean from then?

[Anonymous No.11980246]

1001 Arabian Nights
Seriously. Classic lit.

[Anonymous No.11980265]

>>11979840
This book influenced the whole of European philosophers/scientists, including Descartes

[Anonymous No.11980277]

>>11978392
lolicon hentai

[Anonymous No.11980298]

>>11980204
From south korea obviously.

[Anonymous No.11980338]

>>11980265
based classical natural sciences poster. have you read Khwarizmi yet?

[Anonymous No.11981127]

>>11980338
Already have. Abu Kamil >>>>>>> Al-Khwarizmi

[Anonymous No.11981141]

>>11978392
take your brain out and throw it against the fucking wall

[Anonymous No.11981144]

>>11981141
Cringe racist poster

[Anonymous No.11981206]

>>11981144
You’re clearly not a serious thinker. I’m a serious bait taker though.

[Anonymous No.11981214]

>>11981206
CRINGE 2 THE MAX

[Anonymous No.11981577]

>>11979633
>>11980149
there's also Lost Enlightenment. there's a section where in that where the author traces the network of scholars working across the Arabic-speaking world from Andalus to Transoxiana. and it gives context for why scholarship fell away from the Central Asian cities (hint: it was the Mongols)

[Anonymous No.11981610]

>>11981144
>>11981214

What do you think 'Muslim literature' is?
Why not ask 'Iranian literature', 'Arabic literature', etc.?
Fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.11981620]

>>11981610
Because it's not filled with Christian ideals like turning your cheek and shit.
It was inspired by Islam and has ideas that Islam would approve of.

[Anonymous No.11981689]

>>11981620

>It was inspired by Islam and has ideas that Islam would approve of

You're a dumb cunt. If you can read French then there's a translation of the Danishmendname available for more money than a dumb cunt is prepared to spend.
It's a story about a ghazi. Not as orthodox as you would think.
On the other hand you could get a cheap copy of the Arabian Nights.

[Anonymous No.11981721]

>>11978948
Qutb wasn't a Salafist in the sense most Salafists would themselves such. He was Ash'ari in creed and Shafi'i in madhhab. The reason I think people define him as Salafi is that he was political, but that's not really he's movement. He wasn't Ikhwaani (Muslim brotherhood) either. He was involved in the movement but after Milestones and his death sentence the Brotherhood distanced themselves from him and denounced his ideas. Great thinker though.

[Anonymous No.11981733]

>>11978392
I'm not surprised no one has posted this, but you should check out Risale-i Nur by Said Nursi. It's a massive tome but you can take some of the smaller books like 'Guide for Youth' or something like that. Its a modern day interperation of faith (iman) and spirituality (ruhaniyyat).

[Anonymous No.11981965]

>>11981733
>modern day interperation
based

[Anonymous No.11982379]

>>11978392
Ibn Tufail's "Hayy Ibn Yaqzan" also known as "Philosophus Autodidactus," "The Self-Taught Philosopher" and "The Improvement of Human Reason." Ibn Tufail responds to Al Ghazali's faith centred refutation of Hellenic soul ascent via the development of human reason. Ibn Tufail outlines a Hellenic ascent of the soul to true knowledge/ sublime union with the divine, by way of a castaway child on an uninhabited island that uses his faculties, unsullied by societal habituation, to ascend in seven stages to sophia (It's likely that Defoe copped the castaway trope from this book given it's multiple translations and popularity in 18th century Europe). Near the end, Ibn Tufail writes that a capable person can reach and even transcend the dumbded down conclusions of textual Islam, given that the mystics truth is an experience of the ineffable and thus the textual means of transmission will always be lacking and cater to the lowest common demonstrator with trite parables and even some extra judicial injection of contingent social laws. He concludes that while religion is necessary, it's only necessary for the plebs while the few capable can foretaste the sublime through the development of reason and ascetic purification practices, all of which he outlines.

[Anonymous No.11982581]

>>11980246
Indeed. Begin here.

[Anonymous No.11982623]

Why is Muslim literature the best literature?

[Anonymous No.11984071]

>>11978401
Bump for more like this

[Anonymous No.11984309]

The whole Arab speaking world produces fewer books yearly than little Belgium. Islam is a cancer of the mind. And no the Islamic golden age doesn't make up for his shitty the post 13th century Arab speaking world is literary.

[Anonymous No.11985026]

>>11984309
>Quantity=quality

[Anonymous No.11985738]

>>11984309
This is hardly surprising as nearly all of the great islamic writers were non-Arabs (Persian, Berber, Andalusian, etc)

[Anonymous No.11985790]

>>11984071
The Great Arab Conquests by Kennedy was very good. Empires of the Sea is a decent book on the Mediterranean Islamic threat to Europe.
A History of the Muslim World to 1405 by Egger was a nice entry level book from my college days.
The Adventures of Ibn Battuta: A Muslim Traveler of the Fourteenth Century, Revised Edition by Dunn was a great critical read of the travelogues.
History of the Ottoman Empire by Shaw was a really complicated long work but useful.

[Anonymous No.11985828]

>>11984309
>the Islamic golden age
The Islamic 'golden age' never existed. It was the remnants of Persian culture trying to be unislamic.

[Anonymous No.11985848]

Bumping for interesting thread, I would also like to know more about Islamic/Middle-eastern/Persian/Arabic literature.

[Anonymous No.11985898]

>>11985848
>They do something bad
>Their entire religion is blamed

>They do something good
>Their religion is excluded
Lmao

[Anonymous No.11985918]

>>11985828
Absolutely not. Almost every single author I’ve read from the ‘Islamic Golden Age’ was a genuine Muslim praising God. Abu Kamil, Al-Khwarizmi, Ibn Al-Haytham, they all praised Allah. As they should.

So what is the reason for this kind of retardation here? Why would you be this willfully ignorant of reality?

[Anonymous No.11985933]

>>11985898
Why did you quote my post for that?

[Anonymous No.11985948]

>only one mention of Omar Khayyam

The Rubaiyyat reminds you that scholarship is important, but sitting around with young houris sipping imported wine is nestled in the meaning of life

[Anonymous No.11985958]

>>11984309
Thats the case with every third world region, and most of the shit belgium produces is YA fiction that has become the norm in the west, literally name one relevant contemporary Belgian author.
I mean even the average kindle mass produced garbage is counted in these studies, if I were to filter through all of them nothing would be left

[Anonymous No.11985966]

>>11985933
Sorry
Meant to reply to >>11985828

[Anonymous No.11986007]

>>11978392
just stay away from islamic books written by "white people" or non muslims

[Anonymous No.11986361]

>>11985738
>>11978392

[Anonymous No.11986566]

>>11986361
>OP asks about muslim literature
>hurr durr arabs
is this some new meme I'm not aware of?

[Anonymous No.11986663]

>>11986007
>avoid international scholarship, only read those who are self interested!

[Anonymous No.11986666]

>>11978395
based

[Anonymous No.11986716]

>>11978392
In some muslim countries embassy?

[Anonymous No.11986946]

>>11986716
try the Saudi embassy in Istanbul, it comes highly recommend, cutting edge even.

[Anonymous No.11988025]

>>11986946
Based.

[Anonymous No.11988228]

>>11978395
wow
based AND redpilled

[Anonymous No.11989176]

The younger Pipes, Daniel I think?

[Anonymous No.11989190]

>>11986663
It's the self-interested non-muslims that one must be wary off. It's not analogous to reading a cancer study funded by big tobacco

[Anonymous No.11989245]

>>11980265
yeah bud thats not a good thing

[Anonymous No.11989254]

>>11982379
interesting