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I think Quine is pretty underappreciated. his essay that shits on logical positivism is pretty funny.

>> No.11973427

nigga be looking like Jacob Rothschild

>> No.11973429

has anyone here read his mathematical logic book?

>> No.11973435

plutarch

>> No.11973441

David Lewis
Rudolph Carnap
Eric Hoffer

>> No.11973448

Peirce

>> No.11973460

Quine underrated? By contis maybe, but he's one of the main big analytic autists (probably not that autistic, he, now that I think about it)…

>> No.11973462

>>11973448
peircefag never sleeps!

>>11973420
I can name a gagillion underappreciated philosophers of science and analytic metaphysicians. Quine is pretty well-know desu

>> No.11973474

Heraclitus

>> No.11973489

>>11973448
THIS

For some reason James gets all the fandom when he is the obvious disciple of Peirce. Granted James was the better writer and speaker, if not the better thinker in his own right.

>> No.11973499

Étienne Souriau

>> No.11973526

>>11973489
The thing about Willy James is that he pioneered in two fields, not just one. Modern scientific psychology owes him a tremendous debt, to say nothing of his contributions to philosophy, religion studies, and so on.

Peirce in contrast was a incredible logician and philosopher but he considered those to be the same.

>> No.11973548

>>11973526
>Modern scientific psychology
Wundt took the mind to the lab first. Nobody fucking knows him as a psychologist, let alone as a philosopher so that answers the question, lol.

>> No.11973571

>>11973548
It's true that many German and Central European thinkers had their finger on the pulse contemporaneously with James. They were colleagues and followed each other's work closely.

But James was the first one to attempt to put it all together with his monumental treaties/textbook Principles of Psychology. Ideas from this book survive to this day, including most famously the notion of stream of consciousness.

>> No.11973589

>>11973571
>>11973548
Didn't know /lit/ liked psychology so much

>> No.11973602

>>11973526
He considered logic phenomenology and metaphysics to be the same. He considered logic to be formalized semiotics. So those are two separate fields he pioneered and one founded. The only thing that underlapped everything for Peirce was phenomenonology.
https://www.iep.utm.edu/peircear/#H1
He is also a big figure in many contemporary fields of science. I think he has more contemporary influence in the fields he pioneered than James. James wins the popularity contest but Peirce has more industrial uses. Seems disproportionate to me. For what they offer, Peirce's phenomenology, semiotics and metaphysics are underappreciated in acedemia. He gets most of his attention for his pragmatism, and I think that might have to do to the Jamesian/analytic vantage from where attention to Peirce is paid.

>> No.11973605

>>11973420
brb reading
anyone who shits on logical positivists is a friend of mine

>> No.11973619

>>11973602
O believe me I know Peirce is kang. I haven't even begun to study his work as much as I should. I flirted with it in college and then reread a few essays afterwards.

James prevails in the popularity contest because he was more articulate. He deliberately expended effort to promulgate and propagate his teachings more widely to the public than mister Peirce saw fit.

Peirce's notion of abduction has always fascinated me as someone with a cognitive science background. It is similar to Hofstadter's work with analogy, and Gentner's structure mapping framework. Analogy is tremendously important.

>> No.11973634

>>11973441
>David Lewis
Agree. Mindblowing stuff. I love thinking about possibility and what it might mean and this guy laid the groundwork

>Carnap
Love it. Read his big attempt to establish logical positivism definitively The Logical Structure of the World and was absolutely mindblown.
>Eric Hoffer
Very good but not world changing. More limited to just social philosophy and how masses of people behave under various social and psychological pressures. Very useful and well deserving of the Presidential Medal of Freedom by Reagan. Had an absolutely transparent understanding of the sociological pressures of extremism, whether religious, fascist, or communist.

>> No.11973649

>>11973605
uhm sweetie, it's logical EMPIRICISTS to you. and Quine's understanding of them and the holes he finds in their thinking will not be what you'd expect. gabish?

>> No.11973707

Sam Harris

>> No.11973750

>>11973420
Friedrich Kittler for seriously considering the implications of modern technology about human thought.

>> No.11973817

>>11973605
>>11973649
Dis nigga doesn’t know that Quine was the lord of empiricists

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>>11973420
>>11973420
Me.

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