/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11958937]

He's got a point, you know.

[Anonymous No.11958944]

>>11958937
>my life isn't absolute euphoria therefore it's not worth living
fuck off

[Anonymous No.11958948]

Not a single refutation to be found either.
I love Benatar and although I was pessimistic about children before reading him I am very intentional about never willingly bringing a child into this world.

[Anonymous No.11959270]

>>11958937
>utilitarian ethics is shit
>suffering isn't inherently "bad"

>>11958948
Don't worry, the barely sentient masses of Africa and South America will reproduce wildly and no meme philosophy will dissuade them.
I'm sure they'll take very nice care of you in the nursing home.

[Anonymous No.11959309]

Natalism is such a fucking boring topic. You're already alive bucko, too late.

[Anonymous No.11959552]

>>11959270
>muh ebil third-world hordes
one day you're going to grow up and be supremely embarrassed by all the time you sunk into believing /pol/ infographics, kiddo

[Anonymous No.11959561]

>>11959309
i have to agree. if you want to write about it, make sure you kill yourself afterwords. otherwise you're full of shit.

[Anonymous No.11959574]

>>11959552
>he believes 3rd world population growth is a /pol/ meme

[Anonymous No.11959576]

>>11959561
>if you want to write about it, make sure you kill yourself afterwords. otherwise you're full of shit.
>j-just kill yourself or you can't be right!
I love how terrified "people" are of this topic. Really sorts the men from the apes.

[Anonymous No.11959595]

>>11959576
I'm pretty sure it was Kant who said this question is basically incoherent in the first place, since it can only be asked and judged by an already existing person. It's not that people are "afraid of the question", but that the question hardly makes any sense.

[Anonymous No.11959609]

>>11959595
Killing yourself would just bring more suffering to the world how would your mom feel

[Anonymous No.11959611]

>>11959574
>science
>races exist
pick one

the concept of races existing as a scientifically definable thing was only perpetuated by the colonial hierarchies that sought to dehumanize the minorities they were raping of culture and resources.

post-colonial studies have completely deconstructed that bunk and your insistence to still cling to it proves a multitude of prejudices that you really ought to try and sort out before you try to post any more "clever" meme strawman comics. ok kid?

[Anonymous No.11959618]

better never to have been OP
the harm of being a faggot

[Anonymous No.11959624]

>>11959618

[Anonymous No.11959629]

>>11959611
nice bait

[Anonymous No.11959630]

>>11959574
IQ differences between races aren't a thing. You know, psychologists started to adjust it to the target culture, and then they didn't find any difference.

and one day we will smart enough to forget those retarded tests

[Anonymous No.11959652]

>>11959630
>have to adjust test for culture
>there is no difference between races
pick one

[Anonymous No.11959653]

>>11959630
I would also wish this to be true if I was black, so I can empathize with your perspective to a certain degree.

[Anonymous No.11959655]

>>11959552
Would you believe the UN? Personally, I think that the UN are a bunch of liberal pussies but you people tend to put a lot of stock in their pronouncements.

[Anonymous No.11959668]

>>11959630
>adjust it to the target culture

[Anonymous No.11959682]

>>11959574
Peer reviewed my hairy asshole, you people still swing around culture of critique even though it's been discredited by any reputable psychologist AND Historian. What makes you think i'll believe you have a peer reviewed study of one of your race IQ differences? last time i clicked on one of your "infographic" it was a source so biased that it made my eyes bleed, the url had jq in the fucking title. fuck off with these "studies" from 1912 when they didn't even have microchips.

[Anonymous No.11959692]

>>11959682

[Anonymous No.11959702]

>>11959692
Well then post these so called studies nigga. I got all day to read them, lets see if you're full of shit or not.

[Anonymous No.11959707]

>the original anti-natalist

[Anonymous No.11959710]

>>11958944
This is probably the best refutation of Benatard's main thesis. Life is both pain and pleasure and I'd rather have the chance to experience pleasure than to never experience it.

[Anonymous No.11959716]

>>11959702
>nigga
What an earth would you know to begin with data?

[Anonymous No.11959726]

>>11959707
you'd still be born on a hellish realm or on a heavenly one, there's no escape from the wheel until you reach awakening

[Anonymous No.11959727]

>>11959611
Races are best-fit microsatellite clusters (tang et al).

[Anonymous No.11959732]

>>11959716
Are you going to post these studies or are you just going to piss about criticizing my post?

[Anonymous No.11959741]

>>11959710
>oh that cyst up your ass? that's just the price for experiencing pleasure bro don't worry you'll do just fine bedridden with an open wound at your arse for 30 days

It far outweighed any pleasure I had in life and I don't buy that argument

[Anonymous No.11959756]

>>11959741
> wow my hemroids are so bad that the sight of seeing my first born or the beauty of love is nothing compared to having a hard time sitting down and pooping.
Yeah you have your priorities in order

[Anonymous No.11959770]

>>11959741

[Anonymous No.11959782]

>>11959732

The Black-White IQ gap exists even when both races are raised in identical environments.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/016028969290028P

The Totality of Available Evidence Shows the Race IQ GapStill Remains
https://archive.is/6DrIo

Racial and ethnic differences in psychopathic personality
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886901000290

>inb4 it's not real

[Anonymous No.11959797]

>>11958937
If the author really believed this then he would have killed himself immediately after this book was published. Shame he and his followers don't fully commit to their beliefs.

[Anonymous No.11959810]

>>11959682
I would be very surprised if all human populations were equally intelligent. I mean, if we lived apart long enough for physical differences to develop why wouldn't there also be mental differences? But, there hasn't really been enough research done to unequivocally settle the issue one way or another. It would help if people didn't immediately start screeching and having a tantrum about "racism" whenever the topic was brought up, it would be nice to be able to look at things objectively, which is what science is supposed to be all about. It must have been very hard for people in the nineteenth century to accept that we weren't all made by God six thousand years ago, but in the end they had to accept it, even though it made them upset and offended their sensibilities.

[Anonymous No.11959811]

>>11959782
I can't get access to the first and last one, you have the pdfs somewhere?

[Anonymous No.11959814]

>>11959782
>identical environments
Oh, so the white kid had to face systemic racism too?

[Anonymous No.11959818]

what about milk
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/18/insider/science-genetics-white-supremacy.html

[Anonymous No.11959822]

>>11959782
Gotchu anon, just wait until they start pretending they don't see the connection or can't open the file lmao.
>Emotional Intelligence among Black and White Job Applicants: Examining differences in test performance and test reactions
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/ijsa.12069

>The Black-White IQ gap is mostly heritable.
https://benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOPSYJ/TOPSYJ-3-9.pdf

>The White-Black gap in SAT scores, a proxy for IQ, is increasing.
https://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html

>Black children raised in White households have similar IQ scores to Black children in Black households.
https://archive.is/oNKYp

[Anonymous No.11959852]

>>11959818
>But another reason some scientists avoid engaging on this topic, I came to understand, was that they do not have definitive answers about whether there are average differences in biological traits across populations. And they have increasingly powerful tools to try to detect how natural selection may have acted differently on the genes that contribute to assorted traits in various populations.
uh oh

[Anonymous No.11959863]

>>11959852

[Anonymous No.11959865]

>>11959822
>SAT scores, a proxy for IQ
my SIDES

[Anonymous No.11959886]

>>11959865
what do you think an iq test is

[Anonymous No.11959900]

>>11958937
He does, but you're not going to convice normies so it doesn't really matter.

Ethical propositions only really become interesting when they're capable of being implemented, otherwise it's just mental masturbation.

[Anonymous No.11959901]

>>11959782
>>11959822
Well, on the 2 that i could read (The Totality of Available Evidence Shows the Race IQ Gap Still Remains and The Black-White IQ gap is mostly heritable.) all was well and good, the rest required me to purchase them and i don't have money to spend on that . However, i realized that both of these articles were written by the same 2 people, so upon researching these 2 individuals i learned that both have been critisized for the quality of their research.
>in relation to J. Philippe Rushton
Graves, J. L. (2002). "What a tangled web he weaves: Race, reproductive strategies and Rushton's life history theory". Anthropological Theory. 2 (2): 131–154. doi:10.1177/1469962002002002627. ISSN 1463-4996.
Brace, C. Loring (March 1996). "Review: Racialism and Racist Agendas". American Anthropologist. New Series. 98 (1): 176–7. doi:10.1525/aa.1996.98.1.02a00250. JSTOR 682972.
Francisco Gil-White, Resurrecting Racism, Chapter 10
Anderson, Judith L. (1991). "Rushton's racial comparisons: An ecological critique of theory and method". Canadian Psychology/Psychologie canadienne. 32 (1): 51–62. doi:10.1037/h0078956. ISSN 1878-7304.
Douglas Wahlsten (2001) Book Review of Race, Evolution and Behavior
Leslie, Charles (2002). New Horizons in Medical Anthropology. New York: Routledge. p. 17. ISBN 0-415-27793-0.
Kuznar, Lawrence (1997). Reclaiming a Scientific Anthropology. Walnut Creek: AltaMira Press. p. 104. ISBN 0-7619-9114-X.
>in regards to Arthur R. Jensen
Panofsky, Aaron (2014). Misbehaving Science. Controversy and the Development of Behavior Genetics. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. ISBN 978-0-226-05831-3.
The Debunking of Scientific Fossils and Straw Persons
https://web.archive.org/web/20060327023519/http://www.mugu.com/cgi-bin/Upstream/jensen-gould-fossils

I would prefer it if you found articles that didn't require a paywall thank you

[Anonymous No.11959916]

>>11959901
You literally just did what this meme was making light of:
>>11959692

[Anonymous No.11959940]

>>11959916
How, i read your articles and said that while there is some truth to it the researchers themselves were under scrutiny. I'm still reading the black-white heritability article. No study is free of skepticism.

[Anonymous No.11959969]

>>11959811
use sci-hub
>>11959814
Kill yourself
>>11959901
use sci-hub idiot, and most of those are not substantial rebuttals of Rushton, Lynn, Murray, Plomin or anyone else's theses. You don't even know the first thing about genetics and are spamming anth reviews and articles.

[Anonymous No.11960002]

>>11959969
Alright i'll use sci-hub. Also you probably didn't even read all the critiques, because if you did you would have noticed where i fucked up at The Debunking of Scientific Fossils and Straw Persons, as rather than it being a critique it was a response to a critique.
>god damn i'm going to need some coffee to get through all of this

[Anonymous No.11960034]

>>11960002
everything about this picture is perfect

[Anonymous No.11960047]

Brainlet here.

Does philosophy cause more harm than good? Wouldn't we be psychologically better off not questioning our existence?

[Anonymous No.11960059]

>>11960047

What is there to question in the first place. It is a fake question brought on by misuse of language constructs.

[Anonymous No.11960060]

>>11960047
Didn't Marcus Aurelius imply the same thing?

[Anonymous No.11960074]

>>11960047
>Does philosophy cause more harm than good?
only non-quietist philosophy

[Anonymous No.11960080]

>>11960047
No, then were are no better than the animals in farms, just eating and shitting until they die

[Anonymous No.11960213]

>>11959969
well, i read your articles, or at the very least read the abstract, method, and result, and see that while the difference is not as large as some /pol/ posters make it seem it is still there. Its more of a crack rather than a gap, and for the most part is attributed to nurture being a large factor. However, a big problem i have with these articles is that they seem to just quote other articles at times and use that data rather then testing their hypothesis themselves. while this is not something that is irregular it is tedious to go jumping down rabbit holes. These minor differences are not enough to justify some of the actions proposed by the far right however.
Now, while you have convinced me that does not mean you should go swinging these studies around, as most will not give you the chance i gave you.

[Anonymous No.11960229]

>>11960213
>Now, while you have convinced me that does not mean you should go swinging these studies around, as most will not give you the chance i gave you.
>as most will not give you the chance i gave you.
Get over yourself.

[Anonymous No.11960248]

>>11960213
Link to the video pls? <3

[Anonymous No.11960251]

>>11960229
can't, my ego is too big
but the point still stands, you'll probably get the shit kicked out of you if you try and convince people that there is an downside to being black

[Anonymous No.11960260]

>>11960248
https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1539814116245.webm

[Anonymous No.11960275]

>>11960260
Nice, got the full one/source?

[Anonymous No.11960466]

>>11959741
if your threshold is this low then kys. cancerous ppl beg to remain living