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Need recommendations for a good overview of Hegel's logic.

I'm reading a lot of Marx and Adorno and struggling to give a precise meaning to all the different uses of concrete/abstract, mediated/immediate, subjective/objective etc.

Pls no 'read Giovanni Gentile', 'Mohammad bin Salman has completed the system of German idealism', 'more like ob-jew-ctive Spirit' etc

Thx xx

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Just know that hegels logic, moves from the relationship of being to nothing and being again. This does give a quantative account of metaphysical dynamics. However what hegel missed is that the movement to nothingness, which is really the movement of being to something that it is not, is not actually the movement of being to something it is not, it is the movement of being to what being has the potential to be, what being is not-yet. Doing this, hegels triadism is a relationship of [1,0,3] which breaks continuty between potential-actual, forfeiting a sound logic of relation, and yields a metaphysic that gives ontological primacy to process over relation. So what hegels metaphysic does do is exspose a universe unfolding in constant (though not continuous) growth. Which-if anything-is the secret to hegel. What hegel does not, and fundamentally can not, do is give a qualitative account of metaphysical evolution.
Dialetical materialism, and critical theory adopt this flawed logic and all the untenable metaphysics that come with it, even continental cultural theorists who like to think that they have moved past Hegel and Marx still give process ontological primacy before relation, a process-producing it's own relation. I don't recommend reading hegel, I certainly haven't. After you understand why he is wrong the only real value reading hegel, Marx, Adorno, etc. Has is for a historical understanding of how these flawed theories came about. If you want to read your cultural theorists, do so after you read Peirce/Whitehead so you can go about understanding it in the context of geniune process metaphysics and the logic of relation. Only then can you understand how bad things really are, start where you are at and next thing you know you are going to find yourself in a post-modern accelerationist death-cult.

>> No.11953470

>>11953318
http://philosophyfaculty.ucsd.edu/faculty/ewatkins/Phil107S13/Hegel-Glossary.pdf

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/help/diagrams.htm

>> No.11953593

>>11953470
Thanks bud

>>11953437
Some great points

>> No.11953595

>>11953318
Hegel is shit, you are wasting your time reading him, unless your job requires you to pretend that you understand and give a shit about what hegel had to say.

>> No.11953605

>>11953437
šiptar

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>>11953318
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hegel-dialectics/

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hegel-dialectics/#HegeDialMethLogi

>“[T]he important point to make here, and again and again”, Robert C. Solomon writes, for instance,

>is that the transition from the first form to the second, or the transition from the first form of the Phenomenology all the way to the last, is not in any way a deductive necessity. The connections are anything but entailments, and the Phenomenology could always take another route and other starting points. (Solomon 1983: 230)

>In a footnote to this passage, Solomon adds “that a formalization of Hegel’s logic, however ingenious, is impossible” (Solomon 1983: 230).

In other words, its shit

>> No.11955909

bump

>> No.11955914

>>11955909
its all obscurantism anon, like any of the kantian excrements
you would be better off reading real philosophy

>> No.11956459

>>11953437
>post-modern accelerationist death-cult
Alternatives to this?