Any books on a man becoming something akin to a /pol/tard ( irrational, hateful, racist, etc, etc) and then undergoing a metamorphosis to achieve self actualization?

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Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:20:58 2018 No.11936778 [Reply] [Original]

Any books on a man becoming something akin to a /pol/tard ( irrational, hateful, racist, etc, etc) and then undergoing a metamorphosis to achieve self actualization?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:23:53 2018 No.11936784 >>11936778 >irrational, hateful, racist sounds based

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:24:34 2018 No.11936788 >>11936778 >comparing a boolean to true suck my yeast infection you little comp sci 101 bitch

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:38:16 2018 No.11936836 >>11936778 Is there anything actually irrational about being racist/tribalistic? Collectivism along racial lines clearly seems to work.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:45:41 2018 No.11936860 >>11936836 racial lines are arbitrary. They are a crutch in the development of true human fraternity.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:50:10 2018 No.11936874

>>11936860
"True human fraternity" will never exist without creating either global homogeneity or defined borders, and even both of those will only exist in temporary civilizational cycles. Your worldview lacks the ability to deal with scarcity and you are in complete denial about the way that diverging selection pressures have specialized different human populations over time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:51:58 2018 No.11936879 >>11936778 My novel once it comes out in 10 to 20 years.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:53:49 2018 No.11936883

>>11936874
I think anytime I read somebody claiming on the internet that something "will never happen" as though they really knew the future, or knew so much about the world that they can make that prediction with any degree of certainty, my brain blocks it out and I just hear wind chimes in my head.

and the solution to scarcity is automation, in case you really don't know.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:56:21 2018 No.11936894

>>11936883
How do not see that you as well claim to know the future when you suggest that automation will eliminate scarcity and allow for true human fraternity?

Also, automation is a terrible solution to material scarcity and will only further deplete the earth of the relatively scarce resources present here in comparison to the prospect of near endless population growth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:06:10 2018 No.11936921 >>11936860 >True human fraternity

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:07:15 2018 No.11936927

>>11936894
I don't know the future either, you're right. there's that one Clarke quote,
>If an elderly but distinguished scientist says that something is possible, he is almost certainly right; but if he says that it is impossible, he is very probably wrong.

I guess what I'm saying is that I try to stay an optimist and see possibilities.
for example,
>automation (...) will only further deplete the earth
this is a baseless pessimistic assumption! Why can't we build automated systems which take the earth's resource limitations and replenishment rates into account?
and as for human fraternity, look at how far we've come!
Historians tell us we live in the most peaceful time since the agricultural revolution. With each passing century man is more accepting of people from different cultures. This little wave of the far-right will crash on the shore as always, utterly shameful and ineffectual, it cannot be otherwise.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:12:11 2018 No.11936947
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>>11936883
>11936927
>the solution to scarcity is automation
>this is a baseless pessimistic assumption! Why can't we build automated systems which take the earth's resource limitations and replenishment rates into account?
The abyss of human stupidity. Hint: current production levels far, far, far outpace "replenishment" rates.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:14:04 2018 No.11936955 >>11936947 >current production levels far, far, far outpace "replenishment" rates. because of capitalism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:16:42 2018 No.11936968 >>11936955 Sure, but so what? What you want seems to be the increase of consumption levels, which necessitates more production, and current levels of production are already a road to disaster.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:18:07 2018 No.11936974 >>11936836 Yes, because in our days we can't have a clear tribe. Is it the family? The city? The country? The race?

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:19:11 2018 No.11936977

>>11936927
I can tell you with near 100% certainty that continuing to subsidize the population growth of the African continent as we have done for the past 30 years, will bring very little of value to anyone, and will bring significant increases in pain turmoil and suffering for those who need to economically support that expanded population and suffer the consequences of their consumption and behavioral patterns.

Automation presents significant issues beyond just resource management, in fact it calls into question the very bedrock of the labor theory of value. We will need a fundamentally different method of handling questions of economy from either communism, capitalism, or corporatism, as the human worth will continue to degrade as we become increasingly obsolete (as many populations like most of African descent already effectively are). You can remain what you call "optimistic" if you'd like, but do not be surprised if your hedonistic dildo paradise does not turn out as you believe it will. Also, as far as the question of creating automated systems which can work based on evaluating resources, you're counting on large multinational corporations who feel no loyalty toward you to make responsible decisions when it comes to the environment. To call that naïve would be an understatement.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:22:55 2018 No.11936992 >>11936977 Based and redpilled

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:23:34 2018 No.11936993 >>11936992 • ᠌ ᠌ • ⎳ ᠌ ▬

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:25:02 2018 No.11936996

>>11936974
It works pretty well for every other racial group. It's really straightforward actually, and this can be observed all over the world and even in the west with certain ethnic enclaves.

Loyalty belongs first to family, then to extended kin, then to extended ethnic group, then to overarching racial group. This is the way it was for the majority of the world for nearly all of civilizational history and really only came to a halt post-WW2, in which the new era of globalized egalitarianism really began to take hold morally within white societies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:27:58 2018 No.11937007 >>11936996 >lets go back to the conditions that led to world war 2

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:30:58 2018 No.11937015

>>11937007
You should probably read some actual history about WW1 and WW2. It was expansionary internationalism and centralized management of global finances which caused both WW1 and WW2. Try some primary sources from the 30s if you want to actually get the pulse on Europe prior to WW2.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:31:44 2018 No.11937018 >>11936996 >racial separation is good It unironically doesn’t matter what your heritage is, and if you literally care about it, I and many others will respect you less

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:33:35 2018 No.11937027

>>11936996
The conditions post WW2 were the most peaceful time in history. Why revert back? We are clearly doing something right.
>>11937015
>centralized management of global finances
Is this the jooos? Or you some commie who hates banks? Explain what you meant by this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:34:08 2018 No.11937030 >>11937015 Why don't you just admit that you believe it was caused by da joooooos? Also admit that you believe Hitler didn't want to exterminate "inferior races", which included other Europeans. You're not fooling me, /pol/tard.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:38:00 2018 No.11937036
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>>11937030
ummmmm no anon. You just haven't read a super select amount of books that have been disproven or read a huge amount of infographs. You see us non-npcs/redpillers/kekistani army are the only ones to understand real history. Every historian but me is wrong. Deal with it redditor

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:38:03 2018 No.11937037 [DELETED]

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>>11936778
The hidden /pol/ discord is pxmFPxj we have over 5000 members and are growing.

It has to stay hidden or (((discord))) will shut it down. As far as discord knows its a Minecraft discord.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:39:22 2018 No.11937043 >>11937037 No one over the age of 16 uses discord apart from man children who play video games. Go back to wherever you came from. Actually no, just read a book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:39:43 2018 No.11937046 >>11937037 reported

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:40:26 2018 No.11937048

>>11936996
>loyalty belongs to the extended ethnic group and the overarching racial group
Bullshit. People care about those groups if they feel themselves and their kin to be at danger. This is why every country during a war is full of propaganda and fearmongering.
In a small tribe you all fight for survival and prosperity. The dangers and the gains are obvious enough. But the larger this tribe gets, the more sub-tribes have to form, each one with its own interests. So if you want to remain loyal to the whole tribe, what guarantee do you have that one of the sub-tribes isn't actually profiting off of you?
The reason everything has changed after WW2 is that people finally realized that sacrificing so much for an abstract concept (the country) because a bunch of people want you to is not worth it at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:41:42 2018 No.11937053 >>11937043 Which book?

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:43:03 2018 No.11937057

>>11936860
ethnically replacing first worlders with third worlders would be a far greater handicap to humanity in general than ethnocentrism, which is a beneficial cultural trait. most people consider racism to be an unquestionable evil and build their views on this rather than any actual deliberation on the outcomes of these decisions.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:43:59 2018 No.11937058 File: 222 KB, 822x844, uuy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937053 Gravity's Rainbow

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:44:09 2018 No.11937061 >>11936778 >the left can't meme nor program yikes

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:44:28 2018 No.11937063 >>11937037 find.NPC If == true then run discord.exe If == false then print.”which book?”

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:44:42 2018 No.11937067

>>11937027
I'm not sure what you are getting on about but there has been near nonstop neo-colonialist expansion in the Middle East and Africa for the last 30 years. "Why revert back" is fairly simple, we are creating a completely unhealthy and non-functional world beyond a certain amount of inertia. Our hyper-consumerism and hyper-individualism has created a world in which we are under unsustainable amounts of debt, where our civilizational infrastructure is incapable of paying back what it has borrowed in the past, and you are looking to continue borrow more in the future. For God's sake our civilizational religion is so fragile that if a single professor at one of thousands of universities bucks the moral pieties of our universalist egalitarianism the fucking world stops for a second. We can't even have basic conversations about biological reality without the enforcers of the status quo having a god damn aneurism and you're expecting me to believe this is sustainable long term?

Also, there were quite a few Jews involved in international finance, as well as Swiss, and Anglos. Prominent Jewish families like the Rothschild's did make themselves central to much of the banking system but they didn't act alone by any means.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:45:02 2018 No.11937068 >>11937057 Racism is unquestionably evil though

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:46:09 2018 No.11937069 File: 49 KB, 655x527, 02f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937067 Oh look it's an idiot

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:48:22 2018 No.11937078 >>11936778 >/pol/ >achieving self actualization lmao nigga. There's more chance of women becoming enlightened ubermensch(who are supposed to be fucking unicorn) than /pol/tards achieving that.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:48:55 2018 No.11937080
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unironically the book of dave by will self.

London cab driver gradually turns into a hateful racist, irrational....well...typical london cabbie.
His wife divorces him so he completely goes off his nut. During this episode he writes a book of fatherly advice to his estranged son.
Dave gets better and gradually becomes at one with himself and his surroundings.

In a future post apocalyptic Britain the remaining civilisation discovers Dave's book to his son and adopts it as a sacred religious text.

Looks like I'm the first person to recommend a book ITT.
You bunch of fannies.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:49:09 2018 No.11937083

>>11937067
>our civilizational religion is so fragile that if a single professor at one of thousands of universities bucks the moral pieties of our universalist egalitarianism the fucking world stops for a second
No, the world on the Internet and the media stops. You should go outside, get a gf, watch a movie and enjoy the fact that you don't have to get gassed inside a trench instead. Tell us then how bad things really are.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:50:18 2018 No.11937087

>>11937030
Hitler did want to remove the Jews from his society, and probably wanted to exterminate those within his reach sure. I think Hitler was wrong about Slavics, and a few other things as well, but Jews played no small part in the causal chain of WW2. Lebensraum into France and Poland actually didn't have very much to do with Jews so if you're going with the line of thinking in which WW2 was caused by Hitler invading France rather than as a reaction to Hitler invading France, his motivations surrounding Jews were not particularly central to that.

I know you're actually not interested in a real conversation about the world we live in today and the future we will collectively forge tomorrow, but for the sane people who may be reading it might have been worth the response.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:50:34 2018 No.11937088

>>11937068
>spotted the slave moralist
anti-racism causes a tremendous decrease in overall quality of life as well as intellectual aptitude since it causes traits of these things to overwrite traits for the inverses, racemixing destroys diversity on the global scale and removes the ability for cultures and people to be varied and learn from each other's uniqueness. the polar opposite of racism is far worse for humanity in general and simply isnt the unquestionable ethically superior position that people assume it is. it is not an absolute evil to the extent that its opposite must be an absolute good, i would argue that no things fit into that category but certainly not ethnocentrism. humanity is better of with this naturally occurring meme than without it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:52:22 2018 No.11937095 >>11937088 Prove it

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:54:06 2018 No.11937101 File: 341 KB, 500x375, constansa.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937095 >hates /pol/ but has never seen the first facts /pol/ will show you so much for open mindedness huh

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:54:19 2018 No.11937102 >>11937067 can we just kill idiots. People who type this shit are wasting resources.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:57:19 2018 No.11937112

>>11936968
>What you want seems to be the increase of consumption levels
????
>>11936977
>I can tell you with near 100% certainty that continuing to subsidize the population growth of the African continent
?????????
> We will need a fundamentally different method of handling questions of economy from either communism
I would ask "in what way is communism inappropriate for handling the rise of automation", but then we would have to get our definitions of communism straight, and I'm already having this conversation in another thread.
> you're counting on large multinational corporations who feel no loyalty toward you
I'm not?? people make technology, not corporations.
>>11937057
>ethnically replacing first worlders with third worlders
who's talking of replacing one or the other?
We know that increasing the material conditions of living (i.e., giving people other things to do besides fucking) decreases the birth rate, so... let's do that!

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 11:58:43 2018 No.11937119

>>11937083
72000 people died of opioid overdoses last year subsidized by our government, most of which are of my people. We have been engaged in non-stop war for 30 years in countries that most of the citizenry cannot find on a map. We cannot honestly discuss basic aspects of reality in public for fear of being attacked by those who feel the need to violently suppress descent against the state religion. My people are losing our sovereignty in this country which my family has inhabited and built for nearly 300 years, and those who are brought in to replace us are not only not capable of maintaining the society they are coming into, but they are uninterested in doing so as well. Our economy and our capitalist system has been running on a ponze scheme (fractional reserve banking) and even uninformed people are beginning to lose faith in the ability of system to fulfill it's own debts. Liberalism as an ideological framework has effectively failed, and has brought about a system in which most are uninterested in propagation of any kind of society beyond creation of convenience and hedonistic pleasure. We teach a montra of equality which is not only functionally impossible (in the sense that it can never be achieved) but logically incoherent (in that we cannot even establish what equality means given that universal equivalency is functionally impossible). Yes we're not in all out total war, but to sit in this house that is on fire and pretend everything is fine, is a certain kind of delusion I cannot support.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:00:13 2018 No.11937123 >>11937112 >who's talking of replacing one or the other? progressivism as an ideology, the majority of NPCs in western europe, the british government, the french, the swedish, the german and so on.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:00:59 2018 No.11937128

>>11937112
I can tell you have never actually worked on any real project of societal importance. People individually work on one very small aspect of a larger overall project one inch at a time. Corporations effectively manage the paint drops into a painting that the individuals could not create in a decentralized fashion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:02:04 2018 No.11937132 File: 5 KB, 352x256, 1539031123067.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937101 Infographics of misrepresented and outmoded scientific data isn't facts, idiot. I've read Gravity's Rainbow, don't fuck with me

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:02:22 2018 No.11937133 >>11937102 I'd be happy to start with you friend if you're volunteering. If it is such idiocy, why don't you actually wager a response given apparently a simple one will do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:05:55 2018 No.11937144 >>11937119 And what exactly is your solution for it? And how can you be sure that it will not make things worse?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:09:32 2018 No.11937153 File: 9 KB, 220x207, leader.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937119 I'll be the leader :)

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:11:30 2018 No.11937157

>>11937144
Firstly we need to begin being willing to engage with reality. The first step is accepting that many problems will not be solved, and the best we can hope for is effectively managing them. We need to accept that we are organic creatures and the products of evolution, and that equality will never happen. We need to strive for "complementary" as ideal rather than "equivalent". As far as effective political strategies, I'm not able to predict that with any kind of certainty, but if we have any hope of getting out of the next 100 years alive we need to ditch this nonsense in favor of an honest interaction of the world as it is.

Ideally I would like a republic with a certain kind of freedom of choice available, but I don't think we are the point where that is a viable solution at the moment.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:13:12 2018 No.11937160 >>11937153 Moldbug isn't so bad, I honestly haven't read that much of him and would read more if it was easier to get his work in print rather than just individual blog posts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:13:42 2018 No.11937163 what fucking language is this supposed to be? >Python import statements >C syntax >improper print statements for it to be Java also >while(condition==True) >>11936879 same

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:13:47 2018 No.11937164 >>11937088 >as well as intellectual aptitude since it causes traits of these things to overwrite traits for the inverses that's so redpilled - fuck rules and christian values too, they're unnatural

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:14:24 2018 No.11937167 File: 87 KB, 900x900, 1466023553445.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937157 >scarcity exists therefore equality is unreachable OK

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:14:50 2018 No.11937168 >>11937123 >the majority of NPCs Could you please elaborate on what exactly makes you unique compared to all those NPCs?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:15:25 2018 No.11937169 >>11937160 You haven't read that much of him NRx is fundamentally retarded

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:15:58 2018 No.11937172 >>11937168 browse /lit/ for a short while and you will understand the NPC meme

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:18:13 2018 No.11937177 >>11937167 Equality is unachievable because it is biologically incoherent. Sans homogenizing the world population genetically, there will always be variation in fitness and capability within and across populations.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:18:20 2018 No.11937178 >>11937172 >>11937123 t. Retard that takes misrepresentations of poorly conducted scientific experiments from r9k unironically. End yourself, please

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:20:09 2018 No.11937185 >>11937177 That's a good point, but that doesn't mean liberalism is bad. Though I don't think biological coherence is a thing...

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:23:59 2018 No.11937202 >>11937185 You can have something that is coherent with respect to biology, sure. Acceptance of variation of fitness to the environment is "biologically coherent" in the sense that it accepts the limits natural reality imposes on biological creatures.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:24:04 2018 No.11937203 >Fully automated gay space communism Yikes is this what lefties actually want or think will happen?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:25:59 2018 No.11937209 >>11937202 Oh, appeal to nature fallacy

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:27:06 2018 No.11937214 >>11937209 Lmao. What are you a hall monitor? Accepting that there are limitations to natural reality and those limitations have shaped us as a species is a fallacy in your eyes?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:28:30 2018 No.11937222 >>11937214 You seem to put a lot of stock in these supposed limitations.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:28:40 2018 No.11937223 >>11937203 Unfortunately yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:28:55 2018 No.11937227 >>11936860 color lines are arbitrary there's only one color

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:30:22 2018 No.11937236 redpill me on the stinky balls question lads

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:30:34 2018 No.11937237 File: 218 KB, 491x507, 1512179189103.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937209 >fallacy fallacy

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:31:09 2018 No.11937240

>>11937222
Do you have any sort of alternative that isn't Gay Space Communism™ (Brought to you by Alphabet inc. in cooperation with Amazon and Unicorn Riot Productions)?

In all seriousness, you're suggesting that honestly examining the world for what it is rather than what we wish it to be is bad. How do you expect me to take you seriously?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:31:10 2018 No.11937241 >>11936860 Now tell someone that isnt white about how arbitrary their racial identity is. Doubt many will agree

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:31:18 2018 No.11937242 >>11937237 I'm not the one making an argument

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:32:02 2018 No.11937245 >>11937119 >logically incoherent (in that we cannot even establish what equality means given that universal equivalency is functionally impossible). congrats on watching a jordan peterson lecture. Now go read a book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:32:24 2018 No.11937247 >>11937240 >I don't get it so nobody can lol get over yourself

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:32:54 2018 No.11937252 >>11937241 some will some won't! did you have an argument, or...?

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:33:16 2018 No.11937254

>>11937133
>If it is such idiocy, why don't you actually wager a response given apparently a simple one will do.
Do you expect me to explain everything to every idiot? I wouldn't have time to read or anything else. You have no interest in learning. Why would I waste time. Some people are idiots. That's it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:33:25 2018 No.11937256 >>11937240 >you're suggesting that honestly examining the world for what it is rather than what we wish it to be is bad. And where did I say that?

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:34:07 2018 No.11937258

>>11937095
It's a historically accurate point. See the actual living situation of blacks before slavery versus after, before the Civil rights movements of the 1960s versus after, the state of the native Americans today. Compare that to the state of the Chinese immigrants to America versus their situation 10, 50, 100 years later, and do the same for the Irish and Italians.

Policy determined to end racial prejudice has a invariable unexpected consequence of stoking the flames and producing the polar opposite result than what was intended

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:34:21 2018 No.11937261 >>11937128 corporation don't have a monopoly on high-order coordination and cooperation. That fact you would even think such a thing shows how deeply you've been cucked by capitalism

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:36:12 2018 No.11937270

>>11937157
>and that equality will never happen
Imagine believing the biggest issue facing the west is the idea of equality. You just read like a youtube commentator. No one worth anything is fighting for equlaity of outcome. You just see too much /pol/. In reality your enemy wants it so Goldstein's kids don't have a free ride while people die due to lack of healthcare. They want women to work and not fear being raped.. etc. These are not crazy ideals.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:38:17 2018 No.11937278

>>11937240
>Do you have any sort of alternative that isn't Gay Space Communism™ (Brought to you by Alphabet inc. in cooperation with Amazon and Unicorn Riot Productions)?
Yes anon the biggest threat to capitalism is capitalists themselves. Google saying liberal shit is actually communism. Communists hate google and all those com[anies. All your showing is that you have never engaged with your enemy

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:41:46 2018 No.11937287

>>11937270
>No one worth anything is fighting for equlaity of outcome
This is a major issue in the United States at least as evidenced by countless policies such as affirmative action, workplace discrimination laws, California for example just passed a law requiring a woman in every public company's board of directors.

It is a much bigger issue than women being raped at work, one talked about far more and implemented far more than rape laws...

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:44:23 2018 No.11937303

>>11936836
Tribalism=/=Nationalism
Tribalism is based on local kinship bonds, residing in our primeval selves, Nationalism is based on relatively modern ideologies.
Don't confuse a healthy distrust of the Other, the kind we all have, with the possessed determination for cultural/racial purity. One is natural, the other is not.

>>11936996
>Loyalty belongs first to family, then to extended kin, then to extended ethnic group, then to overarching racial group. This is the way it was for the majority of the world for nearly all of civilizational history
Nations used to be understood by the language one spoke, which is cultural, not ethnic in nature. Your ideas of a nation are actually very recent.
Loyalty ends abruptly after extended kin. For a pre-modern man, there are a very small number of people you can actually care for and it's going to be your extended family and friends. Any further loyalty is a product of ideology, not the human nature meme ethnonationalists like to espouse.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:46:07 2018 No.11937308

>>11937209
We have a nature and going against that isn't good for us. Doesn't matter if you're talking our physical, biological, chemical, social, religious, psychological, philosophical, moral, creative etc. nature. To oppose such is madness and self-destructive- so long as you are a human.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:48:35 2018 No.11937321

>>11937287
The reason they do this is because of established networks. White men had decades to establish their foot in the industry and white tend to hire whites. Ny giving positions to women and minorities it gives new opportunities. The idea that people get the job because they deserve it is bullshit, this bypasses networking and creates a more equal outcome.

Granted I disagree with affirmative action but you should atleast read about something before talking about it. Mind you I barely scratched the surface here.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:49:21 2018 No.11937327

Commies are aware their social view are very liberal right? Its why capitalism works so well in the social sphere. Why are they so shit at coming up with an alternative? Would they have to come face to face with that which they hate most which could be a decent amount of conservative values in the social and family sphere?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:50:38 2018 No.11937332 >>11937308 why not?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:52:37 2018 No.11937340 >gibs me a book that reinforces my prejudices instead of one that challenges them!

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:52:49 2018 No.11937341

>>11937088
>learn from each other's uniqueness
>but don't actually try to put lessons into practice because muh token diversity
This is some superficial art hoe shit
>implying everyone alive today isn't the product of now-extinct nations mixing to become new ones
Casual racism (not the obsession with racial purity) is natural, sure, but you're an idiot.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:53:24 2018 No.11937347

>>11937278
Communists may claim they hate Google and all those companies, yet Marxism is fairly commonplace within the belief structure of most employees of those companies. Communism and capitalism may believe each other to be at odds, but I don't see antifa or DSA getting particularly animated about global finance the way they did in the beginnings of occupy wallstreet. For fucks sake, Chapo Traphouse had their book pimped by every mall in America and they paid to have it featured in an NPR/Pro Publica piece (Despite the advising board of Pro Publica being almost entirely wall street finance capitalists). They're more interested in policing political and moral beliefs of the proletariat than actually engaging in fighting capitalism in any meaningful way. The tankies are the few remaining leftists that still actually seem to have real convictions against capitalism, and they are pretty consistently bleeding into the NazBolGang wing of right wing politics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:54:11 2018 No.11937350 >>11937270 >1960s: We want sexual liberation! >2010s: We have a rape crisis! Gee, I wonder if there might be some sort of connection?

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:54:17 2018 No.11937352

>>11937321
>Granted I disagree with affirmative action but you should atleast read about something before talking about it.
What are you talking about? You're the person that said that equality of outcome is not a pressing issue in the politics of today, and that nobody worth anything is fighting for it. As far as I'm concerned you just backpedaled.

Now consider how affirmative action, such as that in universities, unfairly discriminates against Asians. A prime example of the cure being as bad as the sickness.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:56:32 2018 No.11937356 >>11937352 Asians are productive members of society, therefore they're as bad as whites.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:56:40 2018 No.11937358 >>11937258 You can thank instutionalized racism for that

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:57:27 2018 No.11937361

>>11937261
>>>11937128 (You)
>corporation don't have a monopoly on high-order coordination and cooperation.
>That fact you would even think such a thing shows how deeply you've been cucked by capitalism

I'd like to believe you're right, but unfortunately it does seem to be that way. The only institutions I can think of that are competitive with corporations in the coordination sense are the academy, but even then, most of them essentially borrow a corporate model and are entirely reliant upon corporate cooperation in order to function. The state could potentially be effective in comparison, but in order to make them effective would require them to deal with reality as it is rather than this never ending HR egalitarianism/jobs program mentality that seems to be present throughout the state.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:57:45 2018 No.11937363 File: 114 KB, 416x435, 86s1610ntjm11.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937332 >trust me, it's human nature

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:59:13 2018 No.11937371 File: 77 KB, 188x264, 1514260526248.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937350 That's why I always say women should just shut up and stay in the kitchen :)

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 12:59:51 2018 No.11937375

>>11937347
>Communists may claim they hate Google and all those companies, yet Marxism is fairly commonplace within the belief structure of most employees of those companies
Congrats on watching a jordan peterson lecture. From my perspective I've had this argument 100 times with the same person. The same repeated points. Everytime. This isn't your opinion, it can't possibly be your own opinion. Unless you're stalking me and you are in fact the same person.

I'll quickly adress your points I've got time to kill before work. Antifa=anti fascist. The banking elite aren't fascist. You're pretty much asking why heart disease organisations onyl focus on heart disease. Why do you think?

>>11937350
What is the connection? How hard is to not rape a woman?

>>11937352
>>11937356
Soros said to stop saying that. If you keep saying that they wont pay me today

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:02:50 2018 No.11937387

>>11937358
People are racist, not institutions. Why not Italians then? Why not Chinese? Why not Japanese?

Imposing the will of others on a group of people will often lead to a reactionary result. The racism for the groups I listed was allowed to diffuse naturally and so it is virtually non-existant today when compared to that of, for example, blacks.

Big brother stepping to solve problems is exactly what makes those problems worse. Why are blacks as a collective so much worse off compared to whites than they were 50 years ago, before the Civil rights movements of the 1960s?

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:03:13 2018 No.11937390

>>11937358
Well now you are just trying to apply contemporary moral standards on older generations. You are always going to feel the shockwave from racism of the past and letting go of it or finally deciding "when" things are actually equal dont seem to be happening anytime soon. Of course there is still a share of it now but thats just capitialism saying these people arent worth much to me despite whatever has happend to them in the past so im just losing out if I give them a chance (which is often true but doesnt make it "right")

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:05:47 2018 No.11937400 >>11937371 >>11937375 When you're running around naked, fucking in the bushes you can't really expect every man to be a perfect gentleman. If you jettison all restraint, you're going to see people at their worst.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:06:17 2018 No.11937404
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>"violence is always wrong"
>"you have to consider the socioeconomic factors"
>"immigrants only take jobs Americans don't want to do"
>"if you do your math homework now, you'll suffer less later"
>"a child can't give consent"
>"showering regularly is healthy and hygienic"

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:07:43 2018 No.11937409

>>11937057
All racism, and chuavanism for that matter do is make it harder for people to get along. So different people don't get along well to begin with you say? Well the only thing that dwelling on that does is make it harder. But racists and chavunists don't just contend that people are different, they contend that they are better than people different than them. That's what's despicable about them. Then they use psuedoscientific arguments in a pathetic attempt to justify their FEELING of superiority. Racism isn't evil, it's retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:07:58 2018 No.11937410 File: 27 KB, 504x415, hiu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937387 you don't know what instutionalized means

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:08:09 2018 No.11937411

>>11937375
What other organizations leftwing organizations besides antifa/blackbloc even matter? IWW hasn't mattered since the 60s, and most of the leftist groups of the 90s are too busy turning themselves into trannies and hanging themselves in closets.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:08:54 2018 No.11937417 >>11937400 >When you're running around naked, fucking in the bushes you can't really expect every man to be a perfect gentleman. where the fuck do you live anon. Somalia?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:09:21 2018 No.11937420 File: 39 KB, 286x365, cawdo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937410 haha probably because I can't spell lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:09:37 2018 No.11937421 >>11936955 capitalism just processes resources more efficiently then other methods of economic organization, what we need to do is to mine resources from asteroids and replenish the earths supply, automation can't reduce scarcity

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:09:44 2018 No.11937422 >>11937409 But a /pol/tard will retort that their feelings of superiority are based on facts, data, and observation (IQ scores, eductional/finacial attainment, crime rates, etc).

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:10:41 2018 No.11937426

>>11937409
You're deliberately conflating disdain with hatred. I don't "hate" Negroes any more than I "hate" mosquitoes or taxes. They're just another one of life's irritations that nobody can really do anything about, so do your best not to think about them more than necessary.

The trouble is, managerial liberalism has a vested interest in making sure they take up as much of my attention as possible. Cultural authorities, and their captive and less intelligent audiences, use their considerable power to promote Negroes and other assorted mystery meats at every available opportunity. They use their false prestige and full spectrum media dominance to prop up affirmative action mediocrities and insist that I award them my admiration and praise, as is in accordance with their social goals.

When I express my refusal to do so, when I encourage others to do the same and question those who don't, suddenly I've committed "hate," egalitarianism's greatest sin.

Narcissistic and sensitive people (schizophrenics fall under this category, as do whiny or sullen brown bitches) are of course very glad of the opportunity to see themselves as persecuted. Inflating perceived slights to mythological levels helps them better imagine themselves as dignified martyrs, innocent victims of evil and active conspiracies of oppression. They're the grievance caste, and the grievance caste cannot maintain its grip on the Western world without their innumerable grievances to forever complain about. But the terrifying truth you folks don't want realize is that I sincerely have no hatred for you in my heart: I merely deny you my respect, which is so much worse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:10:49 2018 No.11937428 File: 99 KB, 1600x900, aintdvj.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937387 Realizing what you are doing is wrong doesn't erase the negative impact done already doing it...

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:11:30 2018 No.11937433 >>11937410 You know that to normal people,"institutionalized racism" sounds like a retarded conspiracy, right? You're basically like a left-wing version of /pol/, except less entertaining.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:11:57 2018 No.11937435 >>11937421 >capitalism just processes resources more efficiently then other methods of economic organization sure it does, baby boy

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:12:09 2018 No.11937436

>>11937404
>>"immigrants only take jobs Americans don't want to do"
This is partially true. I work on and off in landscape contacting. The only people that want the job are Mexicans. Americans, even American Mexicans do not want to generally. When they do they do not work anywhere near as hard. The Mexican work ethic and raw capacity for hard labor, especially in rural places, is something thats dying today even in Mexico and our American counterpart died out years ago.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:12:28 2018 No.11937438
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>>11937411
>What other organizations leftwing organizations besides antifa/blackbloc even matter? IWW hasn't mattered since the 60s, and most of the leftist groups of the 90s are too busy turning themselves into trannies and hanging themselves in closets.
I agree. It's why this "marxists are taking over the world" is bullshit. leftist movements died and have been dead for decades. They moved away from class struggle to identity politics. The right won. Both parties are right wing, however one is slightly, 1mm to the left. There are no leftists in Government. The overton window has shifted further and further right for decades. Any leftist movements overseas has been destroyed by the cia. YET SOMEHOW THEY'RE TAKING OVER. FUCK ME.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:12:58 2018 No.11937442 File: 36 KB, 600x300, Peter-Hines[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937404 >"if you do your math homework now, you'll suffer less later" Yeah because taking your GED at 28 sure is a blast

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:14:44 2018 No.11937454 File: 38 KB, 381x353, 1526748704316.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937426 >buy game >type four letters >$60 stolen

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:14:56 2018 No.11937458

>>11937436
Americans will take any job, they just expect to be paid a fair wage. Most sewer workers are American, but they're also unionized and well paid. I realize that Republicans are just as responsible for the current mess as democrats, but it still pisses me off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:16:00 2018 No.11937465 >>11937404 but how many layers of sarcasm, though?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:16:01 2018 No.11937466 >>11936836 North korea, east Germany.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:16:01 2018 No.11937467

>>11937048
I can tell you have little experience dealing with non-western majority areas/countries. Even national groups who don't have a separate country like Puerto Ricans are very often highly proud of their group and prominently display their allegiance to that national/ethnic group whenever possible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:16:07 2018 No.11937468 File: 68 KB, 923x713, 1532706181597.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11936778 >irrational >hateful, racist You can't pick both. Racism and hate are normal human emotions. You should allow yourself to embrace them. It's not wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:16:26 2018 No.11937469 File: 12 KB, 249x249, cute.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937433 >institutionalized racism doesn't exist and nobody believes in it outside of the fringe were you unironically born yesterday?

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:16:43 2018 No.11937472
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Why are there so many fucking idiots on this board? I don't care about your political leanings, but if your arguments are just summed up to ad hominem and misportrayed facts then shut up and read more.

To answer the Op's post, catcher in the rye kinda works as it is a smug young man finally becoming humble in the end. You also have the adventures of huckleberry finn where he travels with jim.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:16:52 2018 No.11937474 >>11937468 Emotions are very often irrational.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:17:37 2018 No.11937480

>>11937068
Lmao. What does racism even mean to you? If I prioritize the prosperity of my people over the prosperity of another people is that racism to you? Does in group preference and natural tendencies towards comfort with similar people count as racism?

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:18:07 2018 No.11937484

>>11937436
so you're saying that employers will have to...

Make those jobs more appealing to native workers?

Maybe...

Raise wages?
Perhaps even...
Raise wages to keep pace with cost of living increases?
Offer more reasonable hours?
Offer better working conditions?

wtf! Those greedy, selfish, lazy Americans! Why don't THEY compete for scraps like our noble Mexicans slav--er, I mean, people of color

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:18:42 2018 No.11937489
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>>11937468
There is no solid grounding in racism. if you question a racist on why they actually hate a group you learn that it is not from fact but rather just an idea that they constructed about the said group.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:18:44 2018 No.11937491 >>11937474 Sure but it's not irrational to have them. It's irrational to feel guilty about hating someone or feeling disgusted by someone else. It's not your fault that they provoke a reaction in you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:19:11 2018 No.11937496 >>11937435 well then, what system is better

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:19:12 2018 No.11937497 File: 19 KB, 500x365, all is lost.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This thread is why 4chinz isn't great anymore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:19:32 2018 No.11937499 >>11937466 It seems to me that there are some other factors that are pretty important to understanding both of those. Are you also going to say "inb4 Venezuela" when someone on the right talks about how poor socialism works economically?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:20:09 2018 No.11937503 >>11937491 if you want to scream into your pillow then do it in your room

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:20:25 2018 No.11937505

>>11937410
Enlighten me, because I'm inclined to agree with that anon that said it sounds like a retarded conspiracy, and that's the definition I'm used to dealing with. Alternatively answer the questions I made in the post.

>>11937428
You're right, and I never said it did. The facts that we've seen historically and that fit logically, however, say that forcing an end to discriminatory practices and treatment from the outside (ie via laws or social ostracization, etc) generally produces an adverse effect. Yet we still try to do it very often.

It's obviously not a socially palatable proposition or course of action (to do nothing), but it's probably the only course of action that can actually heal the wounds. All these policies have proven to do nothing but stoke the racial fire for all parties involved, to the detriment of everybody, especially those that the policy was meant to help.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:20:57 2018 No.11937508 >>11937458 Dunno, bro. I live in Australia where the minimum wage is insanely high but they still need Euro backpackers to pick fruit because no Aussie is gonna do it.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:21:35 2018 No.11937513

>>11937489
I can explain to you 6 ways to Sunday why I don't particularly like the concept of living around people of African descent, most of which has to do with observations of their behavioral tendencies. You still likely would consider that illegitimate because of the tired and unsupported "race is just skin color" line.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:22:00 2018 No.11937515 File: 11 KB, 203x249, images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937497 Anon it was never great.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:22:10 2018 No.11937516 >>11937505 >forcing an end to Jim Crow laws is social ostracization nigger, what?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:22:52 2018 No.11937518 >>11937508 What steps have Australian fruit companies taken to make those jobs more appealing to Australians?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:23:12 2018 No.11937520 >>11937491 /lit/ has dropped in quality immensely if people are unironically making comments like these. Delete your apu pics. He doesn't deserve to be dragged into this mess.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:24:17 2018 No.11937525 >>11937489 Black social failure is a lot easier to prove than disprove IMO

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:24:31 2018 No.11937526
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>>11937513
No, i get that the cultural divide is there. However, it's still not a reason to hate a said group. Sure you may not like their music or fashion but saying it is inferior is just incorrect, you're simply coming from an emotional view.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:24:45 2018 No.11937528
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>>11937489
My ex lived in the Middle East and Central Asia for several years because her dad worked for the State Department. She came away with a pretty bad impression of Muslims, which is the opposite of what you'd expect if you listened to the tolerance and equality people. That's just my personal experience, but I've also read that the most dedicated Enoch Powell supporters came from neighborhoods that had recently received an influx of non-white immigrants. It's pretty hard to like unlikable people.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:25:01 2018 No.11937530

>>11937516
I'm not the guy you're responding to, but your reading comprehension is pretty poor and you should probably consider re-reading things before you respond to them. Ending Jim Crow and providing a legal infrastructure to sue those who you feel "discriminate" provided significant social incentive to ostracize those who behave in ways which risk those legal penalties.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:26:37 2018 No.11937538 File: 114 KB, 492x218, Screen Shot 2018-05-20 at 9.36.14 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937530 >They made lynching niggers illegal and now I have nothing to do on Friday night lol

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:27:08 2018 No.11937540
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>>11937489
So you're not supposed to construct ideas about groups? You can stop pretending you don't have prejudices now. It's stupid. It would be impossible to think without bias. In fact it's a valuable tool and the only reason not to seemingly prejudge people is out of politeness. If you're in a certain group and I've precieved certain properties that the people in that group generally have then I'm going to assume you have the same properties. Right now I assume I'm talking with a retard for example.
>>11937503
>>11937520
These are arguments now? Yikes!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:27:35 2018 No.11937543 >>11937516 Uh yeah youre always going to harbor a hate for the people that did that to you. Justified but will it ever create actual social cohesion? Arguable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:27:41 2018 No.11937544 File: 56 KB, 634x600, 1506757589214.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937526 >not wanting to play the Knock Out Game is emotional

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:28:34 2018 No.11937551 >>11937540 it's an analogy, silly frogposter

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:29:01 2018 No.11937552 Racists just end arguing over who is more white. Their ethnostate would never work because when it comes down to it "whiteness" is a broad concept.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:29:36 2018 No.11937554

>>11937458
>>11937484
You have no idea the costs involved in hiring each worker. For example, the cost to insure each worker is a high proportion of their pay (anywhere from 60% to over 100%). Accidents happen, and each one raises the insurance on every worker employed. If I employ a worker for $18/hr and charge him out at $50/hr, I am barely make enough to cover my costs.

I think it's pretty ridiculous to assume how we treat our employees. They work 40 hour weeks with ample breaks, occasionally half days Saturday for full day pay, often take trips back to Mexico because they are all building houses there and have family there. Its a very small business as it is, but my employees are very happy and we are all friends. They invite me to their kids quincineras and we throw a party for them a couple times a year. I'm Mexican by blood too, so maybe I'm racist, but I've never seen any human being that wasn't an Olympic athlete work as hard as those guys do. To hire Americans is a joke.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:30:11 2018 No.11937556 >>11937543 Well that depends on what you mean by social cohesion

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:31:16 2018 No.11937561 >>11937544 arguing on anecdote sure is emotional

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:32:12 2018 No.11937565 >>11937554 Fuck you capitalist scum. Stop stealing from your workers.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:32:13 2018 No.11937566

>>11937526
The average black American IQ (the highest of any black population in the world btw) is a whole standard deviation lower than the average white population. Black men between 14-35 are 3.4% of the US population yet they commit on average half of the murder in the US year over year, and a majority of violent crime. A black male is 27 times more likely to murder an unarmed white male, and they make up a majority of all home invasions where the victim did not know the perpetrator. There's plenty of non-emotional reasons to not want to live near black people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:34:32 2018 No.11937578 File: 94 KB, 547x433, 1526918236946.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937566 No, there's plenty of non-emotional reasons to not live near the ghetto

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:35:08 2018 No.11937580

>>11937540
>So you're not supposed to construct ideas about groups
As long as they are ideas regarding general characteristics and nothing that will existentially harm them, hats fine. When you start ranking races based on people being stupider or smarter, then we’ve got an issue. If it’s a linear, rankable characteristic then it’s obvious that this characteristic is going to divide races negatively. I would rather think of the positive characteristics of everyone and none of the negative. Chances are, if it’s positive for some and negative for others, it’s not a good metric to be thinking about in general anyway

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:35:36 2018 No.11937582 >>11937561 Just curious, are you expecting people to not be emotional about a violent belligerent subpopulation who provides no economic/social benefit and commit a majority of violent crime? Your supposed "rationality" is a total circle jerk.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:36:24 2018 No.11937586 >>11937554 >I hate Americans and won't hire them >but I live and work in America This is why people want to send you back, Pedro.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:36:48 2018 No.11937587 >>11937582 the problem is you extrapolate too much

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:37:02 2018 No.11937588

>>11937554
Agreed, Mexicans make for good disposable scabs and they don't talk back or get uppity ideas about unions or benefits. They're dumb mules who work cheap and hard and since I'm not an American and have no sense of loyalty to the country and people I leech off, I have no qualms about disrupting local economies or plunging us forward into our mystery meat favela future. Excelsior!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:37:19 2018 No.11937590 >>11937578 >In the ghetto You mean the conditions that blacks/hispanics create whenever they are a substantial percentage of the population in an area.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:37:30 2018 No.11937592 >>11936778 How the fuck do people make disguised political threads this shamelessly, what are the fucking mods doing

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:37:31 2018 No.11937593
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>>11937525
Read up on the mali empire, it's africa's equivalent to rome
>>11937528
As i said, not liking the culture doesn't mean it is right to hate the people who made it. I'm not a fan of christianity but i don't hate white people.
>>11937540
Constructing a group primarily on the negative actions of people from the group will always make monstrosities. If i took all of the bad examples of white people and used them as the basis of what the entire race was like then they would seem like violent hunger psychopaths that will kill to the last man.
>>11937544
an extreme example isn't an accurate representation of how everyone in the group will act. If i go to the rural south of the US i'm not going to assume i'm going to be lynched.
>>11937566
Ah, the old statistics game. if we just put up numbers then of course you can make anything look bad. You have to also put context to said statistics. Most crime happens in low income areas and black are most likely going to reside there. But it's not the race that causes the violence, but simply the desperation of the situation. Areas with "white trash" also have high crime rates.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:37:53 2018 No.11937596

>>11937516
That's the entire point. The situation is immensely complicated and one has to draw a line in the sand on when to step in and stop things and when to just let them fizzle out.

Violence seems like a decent enough measure, but as we know violence and racism did not stop with the end of Jim Crow.

I will not advocate that blacks should have remained enslaved, and I do not believe that, but the difference in their treatment under slavery versus their treatment as freedmen is a good if not inflammatory historical example.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:38:46 2018 No.11937600 >>11937587 The problem is that you refuse to interact with reality as it is, and your "rational world view" doesn't allow for a racial heuristic even when it's the best predictor of certain social/political conditions.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:38:58 2018 No.11937601

>>11937422
These are all psuedoscientific. Making value judgements about facts, how you feel about facts are all grounded in sentimentality. Though value judgements like this are important they have nothing to do with matters of fact, which are universally true amoungst human understanding.
The same sort of argument could be used to claim that humans are superior to insects, because we are more complex animals, as is quantifiable by bits of information stored in genetic and epigenetic signs. Such a judgement is very far from a scientific explanation, such an argument is absurd to anyone familiar with science.
Such feelings about facts are not facts themselves and will always be psuedoscientific, that's ignoring the pathetically biased flaws they have in their methodology to establish those supposed "facts" about racial differences in IQ, crime stats, ect.
So those feelings of superiority are not applicable to a scientific explanation to begin with, and the psuedoscientific explanations are horribly flawed in method and in deduction. It's not even wrong Popper would say.
Racism, especially "scientific" racism is super retarded.
The only sound argument for racism, is an evil one. That one people being privileged over another is good because they get to enjoy the privileges. That selfish, immoral argument is the one used by Ben Peirce and his son Charles Peirce-the greatest to ever grace us in logic, scientific methodology, and epistomology- used to justify slavery. Evil as that argument may be, it is at least respectable because it doesn't make retarded leaps of faith in claiming it is a scientific one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:40:04 2018 No.11937606 File: 407 KB, 1200x630, tsr.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937590 and forced there through economic and systemic oppression, yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:40:07 2018 No.11937608 >>11937601 >lalala I can't heaaaar you, lalala

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:41:07 2018 No.11937612 File: 82 KB, 380x264, 1498552646644.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937596 >the entire point is to misread statistics ya ok

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:41:43 2018 No.11937615 >>11937608 t. You when you read my post.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:43:18 2018 No.11937620

>>11937580
Wait wait ayoo hol up
>nothing that will ecistentially harm them
So why shouldn't a group be harmed? What if it's an abhorrent group? Or are you claiming all groups, thus everything is equal. That's a definite YIKES from me lad!
>I would rather think of the positive charasteristics of everyone
Ok you do that and pretend to live in your fantasy world and see how that works out for you. I'm gonna choose to live reality instead.
>>11937593
>primarily on the negative actions
But I never said that's what I'm doing. Over all I consider my self pretty understanding of the motivations of people. That's what I try to figure out first if their behavior doesn't make sense to me. Maybe for stupid people your advice is better suited. Like the guy I replied to above

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:43:24 2018 No.11937621 >>11937435 Read some economics, faggot

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:43:34 2018 No.11937622

>>11937593
Blacks are more likely to live in "low income areas" because blacks are significantly less intelligent on average. Again, the average black IQ is a whole standard deviation below the average white IQ. The average white person is more intelligent than 85% of black people, and the jobs that blacks are capable of being competitive for are becoming automated and "immigrated" towards becoming a non-useful income. Blacks cause most of the conditions they live in, just as poor whites in Appalachia cause most of the conditions they live in.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:45:13 2018 No.11937627

>>11937565
Stealing what?

>>11937586
I don't hate Americans, just from a business standpoint hiring Americans would mean increasing my prices and decreasing the value of the work.

>>11937588
All except a couple of my workers are legal residents. As for benefits, I couldn't possibly provide them and remain competitive, but it's really not a problem. I live close to the border and the vast majority of things benefits would provide are cheaper for a minimal difference in quality. I get my dentistry work done in Tijuana. As for Healthcare, I work with the guy on it on a case by case basis. It's never been a problem for me. They all have medical insurance except for maybe the illegals.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:45:29 2018 No.11937628 >>11937620 abhorrent by who's standards?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:45:43 2018 No.11937633 >>11937606 Yeah, sure bud. Whatever lets you sleep at night. It's the area that's bad right? Not the people who live in it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:46:55 2018 No.11937638 >>11937633 that's not what I said :)

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:47:00 2018 No.11937639

>>11936778
It is literally surreal to me that racism is considered irrational hatred bred by fear and idiocy. Racism is just so obviously true, literally all the data we have ever collected, all of history, and basic common sense indicates that racism is true.

The fact that our society not only doesnt believe this but has made anti-racism the crux of its religion makes me doubt everything I have ever been told by any authorities that isn't directly backed up by technological applications that make its veracity undoubtable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:48:29 2018 No.11937645 File: 103 KB, 960x955, DpQzIVgW0AEQoRG[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw the racists won the thread >again Nice work everybody and gg I know it ain't always easy owning these libtards, but it is always fun

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:49:18 2018 No.11937647

>>11937612
What do you mean? What statistics are you referring to? I'm just saying it's a hard decision. But there are other decisions that are not hard. Certainly the reforms aimed at helping blacks in the past 60 years or so have not had any practical positive effects and more than a few negatives considering the state of the majority of blacks today versus 60 years ago. And the sad part is that that is not only in comparison to other races during that same time frame but even just nominally.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:49:58 2018 No.11937648
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>>11937620
Well good for you man, however as you can probably see most people on 4chan will just take anything they hear that supports their world view and run to the hills with it. Obviously you construct opinions of a person or idea, but most of the racists (mainly on this site) will just eat up anything negative and turn a blind eye to the positive qualities
>>11937622
Tell me, do you understand how IQ works? It can in fact increase in adolescents with education, however low income areas do not have schools on the same level as areas of middle or high income. This levels people in a purgatory that is very hard to get out of.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:50:31 2018 No.11937650 File: 326 KB, 689x720, 1407684903383.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937647 misquote, my bad

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:50:36 2018 No.11937651

>>11937556
In current society being able to vote to that which will maximize benefit to everyone and not have a "got mines" and "denied yours" mentality ever prevalent in american society. Equality is probably actually impossible in america tbqh. Euros have a better idea but its in their nature almost to squander nice things on that cursed continent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:51:00 2018 No.11937652 >>11937648 >levels Leaves* I really need some lunch

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:53:16 2018 No.11937662 File: 18 KB, 789x750, 1534675849990.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937651 >being able to vote to that which will maximize benefit to everyone this doesn't make any sense

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:54:30 2018 No.11937664 >>11937645 No one on /lit/ is a racist

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:55:49 2018 No.11937669 >>11937628 Umm, mine. The only standards I can follow

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:56:09 2018 No.11937672

>>11937664
We’re conservative, but not racist.

We don’t take a historical approach to race or gender. The new ideologies forming in Europe are similar to those at the inception of WWII: thinking that intelligence is somehow rankable or determined at birth

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:57:04 2018 No.11937674 File: 111 KB, 256x256, jKn8d.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937669 That's not true, haven't you heard of a little thing called, oh I don't know, the Food Pyramid?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:57:11 2018 No.11937675 >>11937672 Have you not read the IQ literature? This shit was very clear decades ago

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 13:58:54 2018 No.11937681 >>11937675 HAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHHAAHHAA >actually having these views

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:00:34 2018 No.11937688 >>11937681 you haven't read it then Im guessing, you were just told by someone, likely a sociologist who hasn't read it either, that it was somehow flawed. I recommend reading it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:01:12 2018 No.11937692 >>11937675 >the IQ literature

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:02:35 2018 No.11937694

>>11937688
>he recommends reading the Bell Curve
HAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHHAAHHAA
>unironically
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHHAAHHAA

That book gets shit on every time it’s posted here

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:04:20 2018 No.11937702

>>11937694
You can just read the papers themselves, if you don't like the Bell curve.

IQ predicts well for outcomes, IQ is largely heritable, and IQ is not distributed equally between ethnicities. All of this is well established and uncontroversial to those who study it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:04:25 2018 No.11937703 >>11937681 >>11937694 Isn't it kind of just common sense that different groups that demonstrate different physical traits would have different non-physical traits as well? That doesn't seem like a huge leap in logic to me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:05:09 2018 No.11937707 >>11937703 That’s right, but those differences aren’t rankable. That’s the important difference

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:05:19 2018 No.11937710

>>11937648
You seem to know very little about the conversation surrounding race and IQ. Yes, adolescent IQ does have more variance given environmental factors like literacy in the home and quality of the learning environment, though by the age of 30 over 80% of the variance in IQ is heritable. If you're interested in the conversation surrounding heritability of aspects of cognition The Blank Slate by Steven Pinker is a fairly politically neutral (if vaguely liberal) look at the conversation. Black schools are of poor quality because black people are of poor quality. Blacks who get moved into white neighborhoods do not magically score significantly higher than their parents, and the few examples leftists usually point to tend to have parents in the top 10% of black IQ which is above the white mean anyways.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:06:44 2018 No.11937718 >>11937707 You haven't read the bell curve, nor any of the works in the same genre. You wouldn't think they make that argument if you had.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:08:27 2018 No.11937722 >>11937718 No of course not. Assigning everyone a ‘number’ isn’t inherently rankable at all. I would never say someone who had a higher IQ number than someone else has a ‘higher score’ than that person. That would be ridiculous.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:11:01 2018 No.11937726
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>>11937710
A child's education doesn't start and end at school. If the environment he is raised in is still unsupportive of fostering intelligence then it will not foster unless the individual is determined. This is a classic question of nature vs nurture. It's an entire can of worms to open and frankly i don't have have the time to discuss it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:11:13 2018 No.11937727 >>11937664 I have bad news for you anon

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:12:04 2018 No.11937731

>>11937722
IQ correlates very well with economic/social success, and people with higher IQ have certain behavioral tendencies on the average. Nobody serious is arguing hard racial determinism on a personal level, but most people you interact with on a daily basis you don't have the experience of knowing on a personal level. These overarching patterns matter can be learned and understood. That's basically the argument they make.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:12:17 2018 No.11937734 >>11937674 I dont understand

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:12:46 2018 No.11937736

>>11936778
>while (condition == true) { ... }
Don't do that. Not all languages have a proper boolean type.
For example C uses integers and any non-zero value stands for true. So 'condition' could be equal to 2 (which is true) and your loop wouldn't work.
Just write:
>while (condition) { ... }

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:13:21 2018 No.11937737

>>11937707
Can I ask why not? I don't mean to suggest one should draw the conclusion that group is superior or inferior to another, but it might be easy to rank, for example, predilection for physical ability, or analytical prowess, etc etc. Basically, if these differences exist, and they are measurable, then why aren't they rankable?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:13:37 2018 No.11937739 >>11937734 We live in a society

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:13:39 2018 No.11937740 >>11937726 You also don't have the background knowledge on top of the time, and that's very obvious. Have fun watching your anime and patiently waiting for a world that will never come.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:13:51 2018 No.11937742 >>11937731 Ah I see so having a higher score determined by scientists within academia makes you more successful at... science. Doesn’t sound recursive or insular at all

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:17:45 2018 No.11937753 >>11937740 well aren't' you a sassy one? tell me, what makes you think the grade of a person's IQ is a jude of their character? You remarked here >>11937710 that their low IQ results in the poor environment they live in.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:18:04 2018 No.11937754

>>11937737
I don’t even think your predisposition of physical ability can be accurately measured. Depends on the physical activity. If it requires any degree of perserverence then the moral aptitude and determination of the individual come into question. And these, much like other divine attributes, can never, and should never be measured, only judged. A tendency to computerize behavior and turn it into a single variable lends it quite easily to the assumption that we can slowly become robots, and eventually replace our eyes, ears and other bodily functions with technological enhancements. And this is just not the case. The transhumanists are just trying to rationalize existence without faith in God. They feel some sunken costs for the life they’ve lived so far, and how they were treated negatively by others so now they want to be compensated for how much of nerds they have been.

Get a real job and experience the races the way they were meant to be experienced: socially

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:19:36 2018 No.11937760 >>11937754 >Get a real job and experience the races the way they were meant to be experienced: socially If your job happens to be somethign like a police officer or lawyer this is not going to make you antiracist

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:20:23 2018 No.11937763 >>11937087 >but Jews played no small part in the causal chain of WW2 Ah yes, there it is. If your moral positions allow you to simply hand waive away racial genocide then I will have to pass.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:20:45 2018 No.11937765 >>11937760 Absolutely false, working in a police station, you experience a LOT of black and white cops working together. And you also see a good portion of black lawyers as well. Get out more

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:21:48 2018 No.11937768
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Leftism is truly the epitome of slave morality. Every leftist meme is a reskin of a rightist one to the effect of "no u". It's uncharitable to say "the left can't meme", because it clearly can, but only with the memetic capital of others.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:23:28 2018 No.11937773

>>11937765
Nobody is saying there arent black lawyers or cops anon. Nobody is saying the races can't be more or less harmonious. Working in the judicial system will inevitably open your eyes to shall we say 'average differences'. Most people just repress this because racism=heresy but it's not very subtle.

Working in the public education system is arguably even more eye-opening but the types of people who choose that career path are nearly all zealous equalists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:24:40 2018 No.11937777 >>11937773 Oh I never said the races aren’t different, they just don’t have valid rankable differences, they should all individually be judged

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:26:58 2018 No.11937789

>>11937768
> Hi, me and my peers own the means of production. We decide for ourselves what we produce, how and when, We are slaves!
> Hi, I don't own anything but my own labor. Boss gets to decide what I do, how I do it, and for how many hours. I am free!

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:27:41 2018 No.11937792

>the left can't meme
They can. Their memes are at academic and political levels, not on the internet. Their memes spread at the top and affect culture top down, while right memes are image macros and silly things that spread through social website. The effectiveness of the right's memes are debatable, while the left's memes are pervasive through academia and higher strata of culture.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:29:12 2018 No.11937803

>>11937754
>A tendency to computerize behavior and turn it into a single variable lends it quite easily to the assumption that we can slowly become robots, and eventually replace our eyes, ears and other bodily functions with technological enhancements.
this is just statistics anon it's how many people make many valid assessments about every possible thing you can imagine.

I am a small business owner and contractor, I meet plenty of people from all races, both as customers and as other contractors and employees. I do not judge individuals based on their race.

But that does not mean there is not something valuable to be learned in understanding races as collectives instead. I am not advocating for inferiority or superiority. I am not advocating that an individual should be judged on the predilections and characteristics of his race, as that is only one facet of the individual. Just that what we could potentially learn might reveal things we've been doing poorly so that we might correct them and make a better future for everyone.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:30:12 2018 No.11937808

>>11937792
The Left didnt take over academia by having better memes, they violently suppressed anything that went against their dogma. They literally stormed through the univserities in the 60s. Not to mention the American revolution was itself leftist violence, the entire country is an incubator for anti-monarchical, that is to say anti-Rightist, ideology.

Their memes are shit, which is why they have to censor anything that goes against them, whereas the memes of the dissident right flourish in an environment of open warfare of ideas.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:32:59 2018 No.11937823 >>11937792 Must be why their memes arent funny. Punching down has always been funnier tbqh.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:33:09 2018 No.11937824

>>11937803
I agree with your entire post except for this perhaps
> understanding races as collectives instead
This isn’t how you ‘get’ a race. There are collective differences though, I would almost have preferred you said getting to know the races’ traits. Because each race has different traits and personality differences. I think so much less in terms of IQ or intelligence difference thigh, I think ultimately that type of thing was determined by a group of people who may or may not be correct in determining it that way, so I just try to make sense of everything as a social function. All of the different traits from even living in geographical areas or economic situations (whites and blacks) is far more interesting

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:35:39 2018 No.11937834 >>11937739 Bottom text

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:37:12 2018 No.11937842 >>11937742 Nice tactical nihilism friend. Do you have a single study which would demonstrate IQ as being a poor predictor of social/economic success?

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:37:27 2018 No.11937846

>>11937792
Its just that a core tenant of both idelologies is that they are the underdog. Which isnt true for anything left leaning. The right is hilariously underpowered but their memes still punch down which is always funnier than punching up which the left has finally grasped on to which is why so many of their memes are now very ironic and satricial of right memes "le based and redpilled" The problem is its just leftists beating up on some retarded fascist that they forget their ideology in the first place and will fall back into obscurity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:39:33 2018 No.11937852 >>11937792 Imagine having your head so far up your own ass that you actually think this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:40:01 2018 No.11937856 >>11937842 I can cite many that state this and more: that intelligence is something complex and cannot be quantified

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:40:01 2018 No.11937857 >self actualisation wtf does this meme even mean

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:40:08 2018 No.11937858

>>11937753
You really have poor reading comprehension. There's quite a lot associating lower than optimal IQ with certain behavioral patterns, but high IQ is by no means a guarantor of healthy behavior patterns, as much as a reduction in likelihood to engage in certain kinds of anti-social/violent behaviors. If you're interested in looking at the heredity and distribution of certain behavioral tendencies the Blank Slate by Steven Pinker and Why Race Matters by Michael Levin both address those pretty thoroughly and have a substantial amount of of research supporting their ideas.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:41:28 2018 No.11937863 >>11937763 Ah right, because they suffered during the war that means they could have had no hand in the circumstances which resulted in the war. High quality reasoning and scholarship there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:42:49 2018 No.11937869 >>11936993 LOL how do you do that

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:42:56 2018 No.11937870 >>11937777 >they just don’t have valid rankable differences What about the inbred races full of diseases? Jews and Pakis, mostly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:43:33 2018 No.11937873 >>11937856 IQ is an incomplete picture of intelligence, no shit. Nobody is saying that IQ and intelligence are equivalent terms. Do you mind linking to me one of those studies?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:48:53 2018 No.11937891 File: 58 KB, 636x674, 1496071280308.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937857 It means "turn into a ghost and scoff at non-ghosts".

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:49:40 2018 No.11937894 File: 782 KB, 960x718, ..png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937792 >silly things that spread through social circles ie satire >memes at academic and political levels that spread top down ie propaganda

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:50:48 2018 No.11937902 >>11937863 Do jews where the only ones to scheme in pre-war times? And they did it by etnic reasons?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:54:14 2018 No.11937913 File: 195 KB, 840x464, 0e1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11937792 I can't tell if this is a pretentious leftie or a black-pilled right-winger.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:54:16 2018 No.11937914

>>11937824
Poor wording on my part then. The main thing I'm concerned about is that we can use what we learn about groups of people to understand that all facets of society are not necessarily supposed to reflect the demographics that makeup that society. Even if those differences are things that the group did not choose, such as their race or gender and all the baggage that comes alone with that. "Overrepresented" and "Underrepresented" are such dangerous terms because of what they imply. I'm sure we could learn other valuable things as well though.

I don't care about the IQ stuff just because it's not a good metric to base policy on and it's one that is wholly and completely unpalatable.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:55:26 2018 No.11937922

>>11937863
Forgive me for jumping to conclusions but I find the overlap between "people who think the Jews had a sizeable responsibility in causing WW2" and "people who think the Jews got what they deserved in WW2" to be pretty high. If you tell me they didn't deserve it, I will believe you and apologize for my mistake.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:55:51 2018 No.11937927 No but real talk lit, i dont wanna live in a minority white nation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:56:48 2018 No.11937930 >>11937203 >>11937223 It's a meme you daft wanks.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:58:08 2018 No.11937935

>>11937922
I don't think anyone deserves to be exterminated. I do think they share a portion of guilt for bringing about the war, but I don't think genocide is an appropriate response to that and that things could have been handled in a significantly better fashion (though once you dive down the alt-history rabbit hole things get larpy and ridiculous very quickly).

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 14:59:09 2018 No.11937941 >>11937927 this is a perfectly understandable position. homogeneous groups are more harmonious than heterogeneous

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:01:00 2018 No.11937952 >>11937922 Not that guy, but I think it's pretty reasonable for any European student of history to hold the position that Jews deserved everything they got and more.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:01:28 2018 No.11937953

>>11937350
It used to be legal to rape your wife, this has only changed very recently. You can't ignore the real historical situation and just fabricate some alternative reality. Overall levels of rape have been almost constantly decreasing, but rape awareness had drastically increased which is why we have a 'rape crisis'.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:01:53 2018 No.11937957

>>11937902
Your English needs work friend. No, Jews were not the only ones responsible for bringing about WW2, nor were they the only ones who suffered for their roles in it. Germany has been a castrated US vassal state ever since for their involvement and lost nearly 5.3 million young men themselves over what many historians now view as an unnecessary war.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:02:43 2018 No.11937962 >>11936788 This. Written by a literal code monkey.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:03:09 2018 No.11937963 >>11937953 imo married people have a duty to fuck each other and cant be raped

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:03:57 2018 No.11937968 >>11937913 Gender is a spectrum(or, rather, emotional), sex is binary.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:04:20 2018 No.11937970 >>11937792 Imagine being a leftie and unironically believing in Moldbug's Cathedral hypothesis. And being proud of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:04:23 2018 No.11937971 >>11937586 >ree why does capitalism only care about efficiency give up the silly idpol and be a communist already

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:05:42 2018 No.11937977 Yes, Journey to the End of the Night.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:06:44 2018 No.11937982 >>11937935 Pretty sure the Nazis started the war using the Jews as a scapegoat lol

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:06:53 2018 No.11937985

>>11937953
>It used to be legal to rape your wife, this has only changed very recently.
This is not true. It has been illegal as long as rape has been illegal. Social positions have changed as well as the woman as an individual, and so it is no longer viewed the same way it used to be.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:07:45 2018 No.11937987 >>11937941 and there's only one race, the Human race

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:07:54 2018 No.11937988 >>11937953 But you can always tip shit like that into another favor... Your wife has lost her passion and hates your guts? Yep it was rape and its hard to prove otherwise or not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:08:02 2018 No.11937989 >>11937982 This isn't true. The started the war using a manufactured Polish attack.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:08:48 2018 No.11937993 >>11937989 okay fine but still not because of the Jews

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:08:56 2018 No.11937995

>>11937982
the Nazis actually started it by making tenuous claims to sovereignty in the Cezch Republic and Austria

Jews were seen as one of the driving forces behind Bolshevism and related memery, but it wasn't just 'fuck the jews' it was an entire reaction against dominant features of modernity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:10:23 2018 No.11937999 my diary desu

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:10:59 2018 No.11938002 >>11937989 >manufactured How's the weather in Warsaw?

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:11:07 2018 No.11938005

>>11937601
>Such feelings about facts are not facts themselves and will always be psuedoscientific, that's ignoring the pathetically biased flaws they have in their methodology to establish those supposed "facts" about racial differences in IQ, crime stats, ect.

There's nothing biased about racial crime stats. If anything, they underreport how much crime non-whites perpetrate because they often lump in white latinos in with whites.

The fact we can't even have a civil conversation about WHY there such a high percentage of black on black crime in America speaks to the irrationality of the left, not the right.

t. asian

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:12:25 2018 No.11938009 >>11938005 >they often lump in white latinos in with whites. not just 'white' ones, they have full on Mestizos being called white. Like remember when they tried to say fucking George Zimmerman was white and even lightened his picture in the press

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:13:26 2018 No.11938014 File: 936 KB, 644x644, where.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11938005 >crime stats aren't racist, in fact they're racist against white people! does your kind have no shame?

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:13:54 2018 No.11938015

>>11937987
You mean species. The species can be divided and subdivided into many different groups. One such grouping is race which is determined by origin since man migrated to many different areas of the earth. These races generally share the same culture, traditions, language, type of appearance, bone structure, predilections, way of life, etc etc etc. These groups are often more harmonious alone than the collection of these groups in a single space.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:14:27 2018 No.11938018 >>11937426 Good point

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:14:43 2018 No.11938019 File: 158 KB, 1920x1080, the-wire-s3-1920x1080.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11938005 >The fact we can't even have a civil conversation about WHY there such a high percentage of black on black crime in America polshit isn't civil lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:14:53 2018 No.11938022 >>11938014 Crime stats are dramatically underreported. The best measure is the homicide rate, which is very hard to lie about, and it shows the most dramatic difference in crime rates by race.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:15:45 2018 No.11938028 >>11938015 Nope, only the Human race, wake up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:16:04 2018 No.11938029 >>11938002 read about it kurwa

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:17:21 2018 No.11938035

>>11938019
Look up Rushton and tell me he isn't the picture of civility while his detractors are howling ideologues.

Anybody that suggests race differences is accused of being a)irrational, b)uneducated, c)hateful, and d)probably advocating for slavery or genocide.

Nobody ever responds to the actual arguments they just smear the person who states them. Sometimes they just resort to actual violence

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:17:22 2018 No.11938034 >>11938022 prove this please

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:17:30 2018 No.11938036 >>11938014 The FBI counts hispanics as white by law you idiot. https://www.quora.com/Why-are-latinos-considered-white-in-FBI-crime-statistics

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:18:01 2018 No.11938039 File: 3.55 MB, 350x227, 1538951162157.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11938028 shiggy diggy. you're no better than those /pol/tards and Christian and Islamic fundamentalists you hate so much

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:18:23 2018 No.11938040 >>11938036 okay and?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:19:39 2018 No.11938045 >>11937982 Dude, you really have no idea what you're talking about. Lebensraum had very little to do with the Jews, and the claims of sovereignty of the Sudetenland were almost entirely unrelated to Hitler's desire to remove Jews from Germany.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:19:54 2018 No.11938048

>>11938040
And if you collect actual statistics by race, the crime rates per capita of whites drops significantly.

Now we can talk about the cultural factors of why there are so many crimes among blacks and latinos but it does no good trying to hide the problem with dishonest stats.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:20:13 2018 No.11938049 >>11938035 Because race realism extremists essentially argue that racial tension is stressful therefore we need to tuck tail and turn home. I remember when I was an emotionally sheltered 16 year old boy from the suburbs, too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:21:15 2018 No.11938054 >>11938045 He still used anti-semitism as a way to drum up support for a war, brainlet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:21:35 2018 No.11938056 >>11936860 Culture exists. And there goes your argument

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:21:43 2018 No.11938060 >>11938049 Rushton is literally just documenting evidence of race differences. Find me in Race, Evolution, and Behavior, what you just described

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:22:15 2018 No.11938064 >>11938048 proofs? Minority oppression with all the loss of opportunity that that implies can explain increase in crime rate

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:23:17 2018 No.11938069 >>11938060 So he isn't an idiot, good for him I guess?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:24:39 2018 No.11938073 >>11938028 t. Totally not an NPC who pretends to be #resistance while literally parroting the ideology promoted in nearly every institution with real power

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:25:09 2018 No.11938077 >>11938073 >>>/r9k/

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:27:58 2018 No.11938097

>>11938064
Here's my issue with leftist thinking. Suppose you could run an experiment where black on black crime dropped significantly when a black community adopted stronger family values through Christian morality. Would the left ever accept the results of that experiment?

I think the answer is no. They will outright reject any explanation that goes against their central dogma. This is what I mean by the left is full of bigots and closed-minded idiots. They can't even accept the possibility that their axiomatic beliefs about the world (ie Christian moralists are the REAL evil!) might be wrong. And by constantly pushing a progressive agenda, they might actually be doing more harm than good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:29:54 2018 No.11938110 >>11938097 >muh left/right dichotomy Whatever, dude.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:30:36 2018 No.11938112 >>11938110 >muh "everyone who disagrees with me is a racist"

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:30:59 2018 No.11938114 >>11938112 I didn't say that, but you certainly are.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:31:56 2018 No.11938119

>>11938097
I just want the Left to come up with literally any solution to black dysfunction. The policies theyve implemented since the civil rights era have literally dissolved the black community into fatherless pits of crime.

Now Im not some crusader for black people and it would be dishonest of me to pretend to be, but they claim that they are such crusaders while everything they do seems to make things worse.

It seems pretty much like they just destroyed any shred of black agency and now bribe them with welfare to remain on the Left. Obviously this was easy to do because Republicans are basically racists and everybody know this.

I can't help seeing this as being basically what happened all over Africa as well

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:32:12 2018 No.11938121

>>11938114
I'm a racist for suggesting that CULTURE might be the problem? The fuck?

The only way you could possibly think that is if you unironically believe that culture is related to race. Which would make you logically equivalent to the alt-right (muh blood is soil).

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:32:15 2018 No.11938122 >>11938110 hey, i dont like it either, but the guy is correct if you know who he means when he refers to "the left"

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:33:23 2018 No.11938127 >>11936778 The Tunnel by William Gass is the closest thing I've read to what your asking for.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:34:26 2018 No.11938131 >>11938121 When you consider culture and race interchangeable and inseparable, yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:35:29 2018 No.11938136 >>11938122 And he justifies it with a strawman, way to go...

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:35:36 2018 No.11938137

>>11938119
>Obviously this was easy to do because Republicans are basically racists and everybody know this.
I think you'd find this isn't actually true. It's a lie made up by the left to justify their histrionics. Look at what they did to Kavanaugh. Look at what they're doing to Kanye. They will lie and lie and lie to keep people convinced they're the only good people in the world and everyone who disagrees with them is evil.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:36:31 2018 No.11938144 >>11938137 Kavanaugh deserved it

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:37:31 2018 No.11938150 >>11938137 And everybody on the right is a sane, rational actor, ok kid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:37:52 2018 No.11938154 >>11938137 Republicans basically just don't have the balls to be racist. Im not saying the left are sane, and the Kavanaugh thing was obviously a circus

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:39:06 2018 No.11938162 >>11938136 what should he have said then?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:39:08 2018 No.11938163 File: 54 KB, 600x529, 1539201837072.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >"it's wrong to make sweeping generalizations of people (when you have evidence)" >"oh yeah and all republicans are basically racist"

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:40:13 2018 No.11938165 >>11938162 How about an actual argument

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:40:21 2018 No.11938166 >>11938150 not everyone on the right is sane, but they tend to get called out on their shit WAY more often than the left

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:40:51 2018 No.11938169

>>11938131
My whole point is that they're not. Culture is the software, race is the hardware. Crime stats is a software problem, not a hardware problem.

If you raised any other race in the fatherless households of inner city black youth, they'd probably turn to crime too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:40:53 2018 No.11938170 >>11938165 not him but >muh left/right dichotomy wasn't that great of an argument either

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:41:10 2018 No.11938174

>>11938163
im one of the people itt promoting scientific racism and the Republicans are clearly the part of racism, they are just so emasculated that they cant be honest about it.

Republicans want 'equal opportunity' policies, which in practice is 'disparate impact' which to the left is simply racism. They won't correlate the contents of their thoughts, but that's where the thoughts lead if you let them go to their logical conclusion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:41:34 2018 No.11938176 >>11938166 If you say so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:42:38 2018 No.11938189 >>11938170 I was undermining his

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:43:38 2018 No.11938196 >>11938169 >food analogy

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 15:45:24 2018 No.11938203 >>11936993 based, redpilled.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 16:17:00 2018 No.11938377

>>11938005
What a load of bullshit. All kinds of leftists are advocating criminal reform, gun control, education and work programs ect.
Racists and MAGA-retards using crime stats to justify their bullshit is the only time anyone is offended by the mention of crime stats.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 16:39:32 2018 No.11938493 >>11938377 the unexamined belief is not worth having

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 17:00:32 2018 No.11938591

>>11937341
>everyone alive today is the product of now-extinct nations mixing to become new ones
and every single one attempted to preserve itself and was defeated. in the overcoming of resistance there is right to be earned, this is the predator catching the prey, the stronger taking the place of the weaker, the natural process through which we all improve and that life itself is built on. when people chose not to resist, that is when it becomes dysgenic rather than eugenic and that is when it is loses its right.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 17:08:01 2018 No.11938626

>>11937985
Look it up, just because it wasn't an official law or not doesn't change the reality of what was happening. Women raped by their husbands had no legal protection to turn to.

>>11937988
You're comparing apples and oranges. My cutting off someone's ear and them fabrication a ruse about me cutting their ear off aren't equivalent. One is more 'bad' than the other. It's also irrelevant since both deserve legal protection anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 17:16:54 2018 No.11938669 >>11936778 The truth in this is that you have to go further right before you can achieve self actualisation

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 17:29:01 2018 No.11938736

>>11938377
>Racists and MAGA-retards using crime stats to justify their bullshit is the only time anyone is offended by the mention of crime stats

i have NEVER seen crime stats brought up and someone not get offended about it because they assume that its racist for some reason

theyre fucking stats,how can they be racist

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 17:41:29 2018 No.11938805 File: 1.83 MB, 500x281, tumblr_n8uggosjkN1rb06tgo1_500.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11938736 he didn't say the stats were racist, my dude.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 17:53:19 2018 No.11938862 >>11938805 that last bit wasnt directed at him specifically but ive seen the term "racist stats" more than once

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 17:54:29 2018 No.11938865 >>11938862 okay, but that still goes for the first part too

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 17:54:35 2018 No.11938866

>>11937593
>Read up on the mali empire, it's africa's equivalent to rome
Rome and Mali are in no way comparable.
Rome is one of the greatest empires in human history with an enormous cultural legacy.
Mali is known only to those who look up african civilisations on wikipedia to find something to try and prove that sub-saharan african civilisations are on par with Eurasion ones.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 17:57:13 2018 No.11938881 >I mean, if you pay attention to my confirmation bias it makes a lot of sense!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 18:59:10 2018 No.11939154 >>11936788 >>11937962 It was probably just done to make the meaning abundantly clear to people who don't code.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 19:19:07 2018 No.11939237 File: 32 KB, 688x578, 1471259864202.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11939154 we both know that's not true

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 19:29:56 2018 No.11939297

>>11939237
No, I don't know that's true. I wouldn't expect someone who's never read code before to understand basic flow control structures. If you have literally NEVER seen code before while(whatever) might not be clear, but while(whatever == true) is obvious. Stupid frogposter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 19:46:57 2018 No.11939369 File: 39 KB, 775x1375, npc.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11936993

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 20:21:29 2018 No.11939505 >>11936993 b a s e d

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 20:45:24 2018 No.11939596 >>11936993 • ᠌ ᠌ • ⎳ ▬

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 20:47:09 2018 No.11939603 Leftism does not work.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 20:52:13 2018 No.11939619 >>11938591 don't be mad because some people are winning cultural victories instead of domination

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 21:20:53 2018 No.11939723 >>11939297 I wouldn't expect someone who's never read code before to be worth the effort

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 21:26:05 2018 No.11939743 >>11939723 People have different interests. Don't be so judgmental.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 21:36:18 2018 No.11939781 >>11936778 The autobiography of Malcolm X

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 21:37:03 2018 No.11939785 File: 138 KB, 1280x960, Max Payne (2001).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11939743 >tfw you realize you've been talking to an NPC the whole time

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