Marxist Writers

[Anonymous No.11904635]

Who is the best Marxist author? Have you been reading any lately?

[Anonymous No.11904645]

probably Tylo B. Chillin

[Anonymous No.11904647]

>>11904635
Joyce is unequivocally the most Marxist writer since Marx and also one of the best. I’ve been reading tons of Joyce alongside Capital. Ulysses basically functions as a direct commentary on and companion to Capital anyways

[Anonymous No.11904648]

Why are you attempting to compare Marx to Joyce? And was Nietzsche even a Marxist? This is retarded

[Anonymous No.11904651]

Kobo Abe

[Anonymous No.11904655]

>>11904648
Read literally any French post war interpretation of Nietzsche and you will see how leftist he really is.

[Anonymous No.11904666]

>>11904635
Fucking Jan Hus and his Hussites.

[Anonymous No.11904670]

>>11904655
Literally only Foucault,and Foucault is not a Marxist, and he believes a neoliberal form of fascism is true leftism so uh

[Anonymous No.11904676]

>>11904647
If you knew anything about Joyce’s actual themes you’d know this isn’t true, Marx has had as much of an impression Joyce as Ezra pound a raving Nazi convicted of treason.

[Anonymous No.11904679]

>>11904670
Foucault, Bataille, Derrida, Deleuze were all pretty leftist and heavily influenced by Nietzsche. Foucault's neoliberal turn is just propaganda.

[Anonymous No.11904681]

>Nietzche is a marxist

[Anonymous No.11904687]

>>11904676
You have no idea what you’re talking about. Joyce was deeply influenced by Marxist thought and was himself a Marxist. The story “the dead” is about Marxist history. His line “history is a nightmare” is a paraphrase of Marx. There are quotes from Marx all throughout Dubliners.

[Anonymous No.11904688]

>>11904679
There were also the Italian Marxists who took after Nietzsche. Gramsci and Adorno

>>11904681
Yeah, he was easily a Marxist. He supported the working class standing up for themselves.

[Anonymous No.11904689]

>>11904679
How deluded do u have to be to think Derrida and Foucault are Marxist and not socdems

[Anonymous No.11904690]

>>11904679
They all suffered from exactly the problems Nieztche predicted a world without an objective source of truth would suffer from, a flight to extreme politics as a way to replace the hole left by religion and find objective moral compass. They didnt understand Nietzche at all.

[Anonymous No.11904692]

>>11904689
You don't have to accept communism fully to be influenced by Marx you know

[Anonymous No.11904694]

>>11904688
Heraclitus and Nietzsche did not like the working class lol, if Nietzsche was a Marxist or leftist he would’ve made admittance in his own works, Nietzsche literally talks about how nationalism and racism is imperative in Nietzsche contra Wagner and that he wasn’t criticizing Wagner on those terms

[Anonymous No.11904695]

>>11904690
have you tried reading Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.11904698]

>>11904690
How is Nietzsche himself not "extreme politics"? They had a similar end goal as Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.11904699]

>>11904635
Oh look! It's another blind retard trying to impose his particular insert ideology on every writer that he likes in order to validate the poorly constructed dichotomy that keeps him from ending it all.

[Anonymous No.11904700]

>>11904688
It wasnt about "the working class". The whole idea of "the working class" and the oppressed group identity is at odds with Nietzches critiques of master/slave morality

[Anonymous No.11904704]

>>11904635
Friedrich Engels is the Philosopher-King of Marxism.

[Anonymous No.11904706]

>>11904694
He didn't like the working class because they wouldn't stand up for themselves, that doesn't mean he didn't want to see it happen.

[Anonymous No.11904707]

>>11904692
Yes because everything marx believes influenced is influenced by him because of descriptivism I get it now, still not bring anything to the table here about historical influences (only materialism which doesn’t count )

[Anonymous No.11904708]

>>11904698
Nietzsche didn't have an expressed "end goal" his whole schtick was about moving beyond petty moralizing and being responsible for yourself

[Anonymous No.11904713]

>>11904699
Reality is Marxist

[Anonymous No.11904715]

>>11904713
Exactly true. Modernity especially.

[Anonymous No.11904721]

>>11904708
Exactly. Once the proletariat find out morality is being shaped by the bourgeoisie then they can be more responsible for themselves.

[Anonymous No.11904729]

>>11904706
No he wanted to see the aristocracy refurnish themselves, if you actually read Zarathustra or read the context behind the “tarantulas” passage there, you’d know that what he was constantly talking about was defeating Christian ethics (which unless u like Bakunin has literally nothing to do with Marxism, and Nietzsche read and like Dostoevsky afaik, so I doubt it has anything to do with bakunins criticisms of religion considering that literally all of nietzsches works have basis in oriental religion like Schopenhauer)... also you know Nietzsche was influenced by Schopenhauer right? The predecessor to basically Heideggers neoclassical Nazi thought ?

[Anonymous No.11904731]

>>11904713
Reality has an [INSERT] bias

[Anonymous No.11904732]

>>11904729
Read these authors
>>11904688
>>11904679
And you will see how Nietzsche was Marxist all along

[Anonymous No.11904735]

>>11904679
You know that there is literally a 'left Nietzsche' and a 'right Nietzsche', right?

[Anonymous No.11904736]

>>11904729
You’re an idiot if you don’t think Nietzsche was a Marxist. He was more Marxist arguably than Joyce. The ubermensch is basically a byword for people living under the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Have you seriously not learned any of this? We covered this shit in high school...

[Anonymous No.11904738]

>>11904732
I have and none of them are dialectical materialist lol so Idk how you can call them Marxist, maybe you should actually read the authors Nietzsche was influenced by and I’d have respect for u but obviously have not

[Anonymous No.11904740]

>>11904736
lol, almost got angry for a second u got me

[Anonymous No.11904742]

>>11904738
Dialectical materialism is just one of the paths of Marx's philosophy. There are other basic tenets that are compatible with their thought

[Anonymous No.11904744]

>>11904721
>Once the proletariat find out morality is being shaped by the bourgeoisie

The idea of bourgeoisie is just slave morality, and this attachment to leftist politics is literally just a stand in for religion and all of Nietzsches criticisms about religion also apply to attachment to politics like this. The fact that you can say any of this with a straight face is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.11904746]

>>11904735
right Nietzsche is historically obsolete. Only the left flourished and grew

[Anonymous No.11904747]

>>11904690
Hmmm...

[Anonymous No.11904748]

>>11904742
Ok so ur telling me that ur not just bad at reading Joyce but ur a bad Marxist too ok I gotcha

[Anonymous No.11904749]

>>11904729
Dude think about the “eternal return” and the reproduction of the base via the constriction of the superstructure in Marx. Where do you think N got the idea of eternal return from? Similarly, nietzsche’s take on history/temporality is deeeeeply indebted to Marxian conceptions of history

>>11904736
Close but not quite. the ubermensch theory is actually one difficult piece of the puzzle to reconcile with Marx, as so much of the rest of Nietzsche’s thought overlaps with marx’s so perfectly

[Anonymous No.11904751]

ugh

[Anonymous No.11904752]

>>11904744
It's not slave morality when it's pointing out how the system is working. Other wise you could say Nietzsche was living with slave morality toward Christianity or something. The problem isn't the bourgeoisie themselves but how they control our view of the world.

[Anonymous No.11904753]

>>11904687
Cite sources, I’m interested, but remember that correlation does not equal causation, I’m not educated in this, but neither are you in Nietzsche so I hope this breaches some divide

[Anonymous No.11904755]

>>11904748
There is no such thing as a bad Marxist. You are allowed to agree with some points and disagree on other things. This is some kind of no true Scotsman fallacy

[Anonymous No.11904756]

>>11904749
Nietzsche got the idea of eternal return from Kant buddy, Marx got it from Kant also dummy ever heard of Hegel and schoppy?

[Anonymous No.11904757]

>>11904756
Hegel was highly leftist.

[Anonymous No.11904758]

>>11904755
Dialectical materialism is the basis of Marxism and nothing in Marxism could exist without it, it’s literally Marx’s “arche”, are you serious rn? Read theory.

[Anonymous No.11904759]

>>11904753
This conversation is a great place to get started:

>>11903527

[Anonymous No.11904762]

>>11904757
LOL, I don’t even care about Hegel and I think he’s a dumbass obscurantist but you’re just deluded at this point

[Anonymous No.11904763]

>>11904756
Kant was one of the earliest European marxists

[Anonymous No.11904764]

>>11904763
Epic style lmao

[Anonymous No.11904766]

>>11904759
A 4chan thread isn’t good for you to prove to me that you’re not just free associating anon... give me something scholarly (even if it’s written by a Marxist I don’t care as long as it’s good and biographical and provides primary evidence of Joyce’s intention.)

[Anonymous No.11904768]

>>11904758
How can publicly owned capital not work under different systems? This isn't considered Marxism to you just because someone might be an idealist or whatever?

[Anonymous No.11904770]

>>11904752
>It's not slave morality when it's pointing out how the system is working.

It doesnt point out how the system works at all though, this "proletariat" vs "bourgeois" is abstract and arbitrary moral reasoning, where essentially anyone you don't agree with is bourgeois and there for guilty of "sin", its the exact same linguistic game that posers believers vs non believers against each other in religion.

You're only upset with their actions because the "bourgeois" are the ones on top and you are not, and that slight of hand with moral language is how you moralize and justify your thirst for violent action. Its how you paint yourself as a moral crusader and them as the heretics. Its just self delusion, stop being angry at the "bourgeois" and sort yourself out you conceited fuck

[Anonymous No.11904771]

>>11904688
Nietzsche's idea of the Ubermensch idea is at odds with how Marx thought Socialism would liberate all humanity.

[Anonymous No.11904774]

>>11904770
poses*

[Anonymous No.11904775]

>>11904768
State socialism wasn’t invented by Marx anon... read Proudhon and George’s sorel

[Anonymous No.11904776]

>>11904770
Most of the Marxists we are talking about are the bourgeois. Are you claiming they are living in slave morality toward themselves?

[Anonymous No.11904778]

>>11904771
How so? So long as the ubermensch isn't owning any capital or belonging to a separate class it isn't a problem. The ubermensch isn't even what Nietzsche wanted everyone to be

[Anonymous No.11904782]

>>11904776
This is what I meant when I said the label was arbitrary, and that they're engaging in self-delusion, even though they are hypocritically "bourgeois" by their own standards, their standards are arbitrarily applied to people, just like the label of "heretic" is by religious figures, think of how many religious people are themselves heretics by their own standards, but yet simply by virtue of belonging to the faith they seem themselves as moral crusaders.

[Anonymous No.11904784]

Jeff Mangum is a pretty great Marxist writer.

[Anonymous No.11904799]

>>11904766
There are tons of citations scattered throughout that convo just go read through it. There’s one idiot trying to argue Joyce wasn’t a Marxist and he gets absolutely btfo by facts. Legit worth reading

[Anonymous No.11904806]

Camatte is the only marxist you should read. If you don't understand generalised lunacy, you're in a racket.

[Anonymous No.11904845]

>>11904635
I love this bait. It's so ridiculous and yet people will eat it. I can die happy now

[Anonymous No.11904858]

>>11904845
>I can't accept it's true so it's bait!

[Anonymous No.11904859]

>>11904655

>radical aristocracy
>far left

Is there a gas leak in here?

[Anonymous No.11904869]

>>11904859
If there is you’d better watch out for poorly fitted wooden doors—apparently they keep gas in better than sealed metal doors, and too much gas can lead to the death of up to 6 gorillian people

[Anonymous No.11904895]

Unironically Stalin
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm

[Anonymous No.11904896]

>>11904859
Yeah?

[Anonymous No.11905082]

Dostoevsky had a violent loathing for socialism. Why is he there?

[Anonymous No.11905448]

>these postmodernist skeptics were influenced by N so he must have been Marxist
>even though Hitler and Mussolini were also influenced by N
>even though N outlines a caste system in The Antichrist (not necessarily as a new political system, but as a hierarchy of the spirit, like Plato)
>even though N predicted the nihilism of the postmodernist skeptics and had already resolved most of the issues they supposedly were dealing with, since he was not a nihilist himself

[Anonymous No.11905955]

>>11904770
>You're only upset with their actions because the "bourgeois" are the ones on top and you are not
I have no problem with that. Marx literally said that the proletariat needs the become the ruling class and oppress the bourgeoisie

[Anonymous No.11905977]

>>11904635
Weak opening bait but was able to get shit flying in the replies 8/10

[Anonymous No.11906026]

ITT : retarded amerimutts who have never read European texts

[Anonymous No.11906885]

[Anonymous No.11906914]

Kropotkin and Proudhon.

[Anonymous No.11907055]

>>11905082
He was definitely far leftist. His "hatred" for socialism only showed how familiar with it he was.

[Anonymous No.11907191]

>>11904635
The Marxist-Hegelian motor of history is faulty since everything that can be used for accumulation will be used for accumulation, even if it's on the name of a "socialist construction. Speak not its name. Capital. The tower has been compromised (by Capital). All will change in these days as it was changed in those for with by the magic word Capital a great rebellion rose up and pulled down the towers, and blood fell like dew from the upper wards down to the lowest pits, where the slaves with maniacal faces took chains and teeth to their jailers and all hope was brush-fire.

[Anonymous No.11907200]

>>11904670
>he believes a neoliberal form of fascism is true leftism

Is this even true, and if it is, where can I read more?

[Anonymous No.11907208]

>>11907191
stop talking about capitalism like its a lovecraft character this is so fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.11907455]

>>11904647
All English majors should hang.

[Anonymous No.11907494]

>>11907208
Capital is a headless lurch into the abyss, an acephalic catastrophe

[Anonymous No.11907496]

>>11907455
>t. poor pseud envious of the educated

[Anonymous No.11907504]

>>11907496
>t. poor pseud envious of the indoctrinated
ftfy

[Anonymous No.11907523]

>>11907504
Education is indoctrination.

> t. unemployed stoner uncle

[Anonymous No.11907527]

>>11904647
someone should lynch you.

[Anonymous No.11907544]

>>11907527
Your intellectual inferiority bugs you to the point of becoming homocidal against the intelligent. Pretty sad desu

[Anonymous No.11907554]

>>11907544

[Anonymous No.11907560]

>>11907554
>and he draws from the boundless well of his creativity a stake and predictable meme

Use your words big guy

[Anonymous No.11907573]

>>11907544
you're a retarded, witless nobody. no girl has ever found you attractive. your thought does not even approach rupi kaur levels of merit. i am lmaoing at your life.

[Anonymous No.11907574]

>>11907544
Literally the most undergraduate pseud post ever written.

[Anonymous No.11907576]

>>11904635
>calling Marx a Marxist
Blatant mislabeling. He advocated democratic socialism Drmpftard

[Anonymous No.11907579]

>>11907560
8===D~ O: <- you

[Anonymous No.11907597]

>>11907523
>the absolute state of the humanities.

[Anonymous No.11907628]

>>11907576
>Marx
that's a funny way of spelling Engels.

[Anonymous No.11907632]

>>11907200
discipline and punish

[Anonymous No.11907652]

>>11907544

[Anonymous No.11907662]

>>11907573
I guess meme phrases are a (slight) step above meme images

>>11907574
>>11907579
>>11907597
The lack of creativity in this board is depressing, because I would like some peers in cleverness, knowledge and writing capacity, yet inflating, because it’s nice to be so indisputably superior to everyone around you

[Anonymous No.11907700]

>>11907662
Why are you so triggered bitch faggot

Go to your mom, she'd love to hear more about the literary theories of her little boy

[Anonymous No.11907728]

>>11907700
I’m the triggered one...with four posters simultaneously posting completely predictable and pedestrian butt hurt replies to my posts. It’s just pathetic.

Nice “mom joke” though. Brings me back to my elementary school days, when the fourth graders from the poor school would make “mom jokes” and my friends and I would just smirk knowingly at one another and pretend to be offended. We didn’t want to hurt their feelings by pointing out their immaturity.

[Anonymous No.11907910]

>>11907728
Your underage is showing and you don’t even know it