/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11902078]

Why don't fellow Americans get pissed-off when Brits try to claim Eliot as British.

He was born and raised American.

Eliot even says that America provided the "Sources and emotional springs..." of his poems.


Fuck off Bongs.....he's ours.

[Anonymous No.11902084]

>Tommy Slut Eliot
yeah nah bongistan can keep him

[Anonymous No.11902090]

[Anonymous No.11902096]

>>11902078
they can have him. lets trade him in for someone good like shelley.

[Anonymous No.11902102]

Everytime I see T.S. Eliot's name I can't help but think that it's an anagram for "toilets." Fuck you Nabokov.

[Anonymous No.11902113]

>>11902090
>Bureaucracy

You think all those brown people with western passports think themselves as a person of their residing country.

Eliot is like a mexican claiming to be an american

[Anonymous No.11902130]

>>11902113
Eliot was British by ethnicity though, his family were Boston Brahmins.
>Descendants of the earliest English colonists, such as those who came to America on the Mayflower or the Arbella, are often considered to be the most representative of the Boston Brahmins.

[Anonymous No.11902154]

>>11902130
He's american

[Anonymous No.11902158]

>>11902078
I took a British Victorian and Modern Lit. course last year, and Eliot was considered an English poet, despite the fact that he was born in Missouri and has degrees from Harvard. He's probably considered a British subject because he renounced his American citizenship, attended Oxford, and wrote most of what he's know for today while in Europe.

[Anonymous No.11902161]

>>11902078
He’s like Henry James. He was such a bootlicker to the bongs that Americans can’t help but be disgusted by him

[Anonymous No.11902187]

because he's a shitty writer and would never have been propped up had the bongs not been desperate for someone above the level of a brooke or a forster

[Anonymous No.11902194]

>>11902130
>Eliot was British by ethnicity
Meaningless statement, so was Mark Twain (who was born not far form Eliot)

and so is George Bush

[Anonymous No.11902229]

>>11902194
I was just responding to the claim that Eliot was only British by bureaucracy as if he were a Mexican or something, when actually he has very clear roots to English ancestry which he talks about a lot in his later poetry.

[Anonymous No.11902317]

>>11902229
>I was just responding to the claim that Eliot was only British by bureaucracy
He is only British by bureaucracy. The man was raised in St Louis, Missourri. You might as well call George Bush a potential bong.

[Anonymous No.11902334]

>>11902317
When George Bush moves to England, lives there for a few decades, becomes a citizen, studies and massively contributes to the English literary and cultural tradition, and marries an English wife like Eliot did then yeah I'll call him a bong.

[Anonymous No.11902338]

>>11902334
Oh and converting to Anglicanism wouldn't hurt his case either.

[Anonymous No.11902342]

>>11902078
OK fine he's American, who gives a shit

[Anonymous No.11902396]

>>11902334
>>11902338
Fucking based

[Anonymous No.11902400]

>>11902334
>When George Bush moves to England, lives there for a few decades, becomes a citizen, studies and massively contributes to the English literary and cultural tradition, and marries an English wife like Eliot did then yeah I'll call him a bong.
And most ppl would call you an imbecile

[Anonymous No.11902413]

>>11902400
You know that Eliot spent more time in England than in America?

[Anonymous No.11902482]

>>11902413
Ahhnuld spent most of his life here. He's austrian just like cheech who is mexican

[Anonymous No.11902492]

>>11902482
Disagree

[Anonymous No.11902501]

>>11902130
>Eliot was British by ethnicity though
>as if this doesn't apply to most americans

[Anonymous No.11902514]

>>11902501
>most americans are WASP stock
if that were true I wouldn't have to deal with mud "white" races so frequently

[Anonymous No.11902521]

>>11902501
Its the combination of his ethnicity along with his lifelong relation to England that makes him British.

[Anonymous No.11902526]

>>11902413
You know that a person's true nationality isn't a function of how long he happens to be standing on a certain patch of dirt?

[Anonymous No.11902527]

>>11902492
eliot was an immigrant

[Anonymous No.11902537]

>>11902526
Are you sure thats all he did? He stood in England for a certain amount of time? He had no extended lifelong engagement with British life, culture, politics, religion, and people? He didn't marry an English woman and volunteer to aid the British war effort in London or publish poetry that directly addressed the issues of modern England?

[Anonymous No.11902569]

>>11902537
>yeah bro ezra pound was also british! and so was gertrude stein! and so was Fitzgerald! and so was Joyce!


yeah bro nobody believes u

[Anonymous No.11902588]

>>11902569
GOOD argument, yanky boy

[Anonymous No.11902599]

>>11902537
It doesn't matter what he did. No amount of time spent in American could make an Englishman capable of Huckelberry Finn. No amount of time in England could make an American produce something like Dickens' novels.

[Anonymous No.11902609]

>>11902599
>an American
>an Englishman
These were exactly these terms we were arguing about. You've said nothing.

[Anonymous No.11902615]

>>11902609

[Anonymous No.11902623]

>>11902615
Don't worry, I have no doubt that you are definitely an American

[Anonymous No.11902643]

>>11902623
according to you it could be indefinitely

[Anonymous No.11902665]

>>11902643
Yeah and that’s wrong because there is such an ENORMOUS chasm between British and American nationality and culture? lmao

[Anonymous No.11902674]

>>11902665
You're one claiming someone born and raised in England could write a work like Huckleberry Finn after enough time in the states.

[Anonymous No.11902682]

I don't see why we can't both claim him, but maybe that's just the Anglophile in me.

[Anonymous No.11902691]

>>11902674
With enough engagement and time spent with American culture then yeah, why not? Or do think that American identity just exists in the air that you breathe and is passed on through genetics?

[Anonymous No.11902703]

>>11902691
It's almost like development in early childhood has lasting effects and can't be undone by larping. Eliot himself said that he must remain American in sentiment.

[Anonymous No.11902722]

>>11902703
And what exactly was so indelibly American about Eliot’s upbringing? He was raised in a WASP family.

[Anonymous No.11902728]

>>11902722
Given that WASPs ruled culture all the way from our founding up until the 1950s/60s, that makes him all the more American.

[Anonymous No.11902739]

>>11902130
Our forefathers forsook our British haritage, my grandfather's last name was Ashley. And my father's mother's name was Crabtree, and I'm mostly WASP but I have german ancestry but I'm not of British and neither was eliot.

[Anonymous No.11902741]

>>11902728
You mean the founding by Eliot’s British ancestors that handed on their culture and literature to that WASP minority? The yank-bong chasm really isn’t very wide.

[Anonymous No.11902751]

>>11902739
Yes that’s why I said it isn’t all about ethnicity, it’s the combination of factors in Eliot’s life.

[Anonymous No.11902775]

>>11902722
>And what exactly was so indelibly American about Eliot’s upbringing? He was raised in a WASP family.
I don't even see what point you're trying to make here. You might as well ask what was so typically American about Mark Twain.

Honestly one of the dumbest conversations I've ever had (excluding other ones with bongs).

[Anonymous No.11902783]

>>11902775
It’s especially hard to make points when all you’ve said is: he’s American because he’s American and that means he was American because he’s American. Yeah I get it, upbringing is important but it isn’t the be all and end all of nationality.

[Anonymous No.11902808]

Look, britain is not like america... You can't just proclaim allegiance to the flag and pay taxes then expect to be british. There's more to it. Eliot knew this and the tension from this was in his poetry.

>Mehgan Markle
not british and she's part of the royal family

[Anonymous No.11902817]

>be scottish
>go to america
>lose count of the ammount of Americans who claim to be Scottish because "my grandmother sat on a thistle"

Seriously, you're American

[Anonymous No.11902824]

>>11902808
T. S. Eliot was a WASP, his claim to Britishness is very different to Megan Markle’s.

[Anonymous No.11902833]

>>11902808
>You can't just proclaim allegiance to the flag and pay taxes then expect to be british

[Anonymous No.11902844]

>>11902833
Why does she look like bad CGI

[Anonymous No.11902916]

>>11902824
was he born in britain or borne of its colonies?

you dumb fuck

[Anonymous No.11902928]

>>11902916
jfsdjdsifsdfsfdnfj sfhfhdshshshshsssgsss

[Anonymous No.11902943]

>>11902078
I care less about nation, and more about the language of the writer.

[Anonymous No.11902945]

>>11902817
I don't think they were talking about thistles, maccretin

[Anonymous No.11902960]

>>11902945
I don't care if they sat on my grandfather's erect penis. They're american like eliot

[Anonymous No.11903031]

All talented American writers were either WASPs or massive anglophiles 2bh

The English perfected the English language. This is not debatable. English literature represents one of the highest registers of speech ever developed in the history of the planet, perhaps the highest. Shakespeare is the single greatest writer who ever lived

Make peace with these facts and you'll be happier for it.

[Anonymous No.11903864]

>>11903031
>All talented American writers were either WASPs or massive anglophiles 2bh
>all talented american writers belonged to the largest american ethnic group
wow rly great observation, maybe you'll tell us why you need to beg for fag Eliot and haven't produced anything in over a century