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11900029 No.11900029 [Reply] [Original]

Writers who knew how bad things really are?

>> No.11900064

what a faggot that guy

>until evil is extinct, until the death of death

death is not evil. death is a fact of life and part of a dichotomy. you cannot have life without death, and cannot have good without evil. to wish for it to be any other way, is like having a stick and you say, break off the left side so it goes away! then what do you have? a smaller stick with a new left side

>> No.11900584

>>11900029
He's not wrong but he's ignoring that it is a miracle that anything good exists in the first place

>> No.11901381

>>11900029
This is going to be cliche, but George Orwell. He didn't "predict" anything, he simply described the schema of the control mechanisms that were already in place and were going to come in the near future.

>> No.11901400

>>11900064
insipid reddit post

>> No.11901548

>>11900029
Always felt like this quote could come straight out of Blood Meridian if it were written in 1800.

>> No.11901580

>>11900064
literal brainlet post, go actually read de maistre

>>11900584
he doesn't ignore that if you actually read his stuff

>> No.11901587

pynchon

celine

virilio

>> No.11901603

>>11900029
Things are always bad when you're on the wrong side of history, and someone always is.

>> No.11901642

>>11901580
in this quote he is ignoring it, im not shitting on de Maistre, he was a genius tier writer. His defense of the Spanish Inquisition is always worth reading for a chuckle, but i secretly sort of agree with him

>> No.11901674

>>11900029
Guenon

>> No.11901691
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This boy right here

>> No.11901713
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>[Wageslaves] share poverties and humiliations from all the past systems of exploitation without sharing in the revolts against those systems. [...] They are herded into cramped habitations that are gloomy, ugly and unhealthy; ill-nourished with tasteless and adulterated food; poorly treated for their constantly recurring illnesses; under constant petty surveillance; and maintained in the modernized illiteracy and spectacular superstitions that reinforce the power of their masters. For the convenience of present-day industry they are transplanted far from their own neighborhoods or regions and concentrated into new and hostile environments. They are nothing but numbers on charts drawn up by idiots.

>They die in droves on the freeways, and in each flu epidemic and each heat wave, and with each mistake of those who adulterate their food, and each technical innovation profitable to the numerous entrepreneurs for whose environmental developments they serve as guinea pigs. Their nerve-racking conditions of existence produce physical, intellectual, and psychological degeneration. They are always spoken to like obedient children — always willing to do what they’re told as long as they’re told that they “must” do it. But above all they are treated like retarded children, forced to accept the delirious gibberish of dozens of recently concocted paternalistic specializations, which one day tell them one thing and the next day perhaps the very opposite.

>Separated from each other by the general loss of any language capable of describing reality (a loss which prevents any real dialogue), separated by their relentless competition in the conspicuous consumption of nothingness and thus by the most groundless and eternally frustrated envy, they are even separated from their own children, who in previous eras were the only property of those possessing nothing. Control of these children is taken from them at an early age — these children who are already their rivals, who laugh at their parents’ blatant failure and no longer listen to their simple-minded opinions.
>Understandably despising their origin, they feel more like offspring of the reigning spectacle than of the particular servants of the spectacle who happen to have begotten them, and think of themselves as only half-castes of such slaves. Behind the façade of simulated rapture among these couples and their progeny there is nothing but looks of hatred.

>They have to hire themselves out on an open market without owning the instruments of their labor. They need money to buy commodities, because things have been so arranged that they have no enduring access to anything that has not been commodified.

>> No.11901736

>>11901713
Commentary on the Society of Spectacle is good. Society of Spectacle is cucked but not without value.

>> No.11901776

>>11901736
>cucked
I already feel regret at asking this but what are you talking about

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>>11900029
Kierkegaard

>> No.11902024

Céline
Debord
Pasolini

>> No.11902061

>>11900029
t. Dumb American Trumptard

>> No.11902205

>>11902061
I don't understand how you would infer that about me from my post, can you explain?

>> No.11902221

>>11900029
LMAO suck my dick bitch.

>> No.11902459

>>11901400
It's true though. The quote is just pessimistic romanticism based on nonsense.

>> No.11902463

Houellebecq.

>> No.11902471

>>11902459
Transcending life means transcending death, and vice versa.

>> No.11902473

>>11901381
Huxley is better. He foresaw the future as suffering from an excess of positivity rather than negativity. Modern people like Byung-Chul Han are famous for essentially saying the same thing, but with more esoteric language.

>> No.11902498

>>11902459
erm no

There's logic to it. Life is violent. Living creatures, including man, constitute life. Violence is evil. If evil is to be eradicated, then so must all life.

Makes perfect logical sense

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>>11900064
Death...the progeny of an incestuous relationship between satan and sin

>> No.11902574

>>11900064
You only believe death is normal and natural because you've been recieved by millions of years of evolvituion within an environment that promotes and forces death upon you. You have not truly been born and you will not truly die you simply are from the first moment existence was sparked at the beginning of time.

>> No.11902787

>>11901713
Really good.

>> No.11902855

>>11901776
He still has this revolutionary optimism which in hindsight is very cringe. He made things worse by writing it. Reading Commentary on SoS and he explains all of this, albeit cryptically.

>> No.11902858

>>11902024
What's good by Pasolini?

>> No.11902915

>>11902858
You mean what book?

>> No.11903274

>>11902915
Yeah.

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>>11900029
>Our life is impossibility, absurdity. Everything we want contradicts the conditions or the consequences attached to it, every affirmation we put forward involves a contradictory affirmation, all our feelings are mixed up with their opposites. It is because we are a contradiction—being creatures—being God and infinitely other than God.

>Contradiction alone is the proof that we are not everything. Contradiction is our wretchedness, and the sense of our wretchedness is the sense of reality. For we do not invent our wretchedness. It is true. That is why we have to value it. All the rest is imaginary.

>> No.11903376

>>11902574
No, the law of decay is a constant in all that there is, even the universe itself is destined to die.

>> No.11903742

>>11900064
Based stoic

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>>11900029
Hoppe

>> No.11904923

>>11903301
>We are drawn towards a thing because we believe it is good. We end by being chained to it because it has become necessary.

>Things of the senses are real if they are considered as perceptible things, but unreal if considered as goods.

>Joy is the overflowing consciousness of reality. But to suffer while preserving our consciousness of reality is better. To suffer without being submerged in the nightmare. May the suffering be in one sense purely exterior and in another purely interior. For this to be so it must be situated only in the feelings. Then it is exterior (as it is outside the spiritual part of the soul) and interior (as it is entirely concentrated on ourselves, without being reflected back on to the universe in order to impair it).

>Suffering is nothing, apart from the relationship between the past and the future, but what is more real for man than this relationship? It is reality itself.

>Death is the most precious thing which has been given to man. That is why the supreme impiety is to make a bad use of it. To die amiss. To kill amiss. (But how can we escape at the same time both from suicide and murder?) After death, love. An analogous problem: neither wrong enjoyment nor wrong privation. War and Eros are the two sources of illusion and falsehood among men. Their mixture represents the very greatest impurity.


Simone Weil is one of the greatest minds of the XXth century.

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>>11903301
>>11904923
high iq posts

>The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

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>>11902459
It's true that was an insipid reddit post, yes. I'd explain why but if one is beyond understanding the OP, how could they not be but beyond understanding their being beyond understanding the OP?

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>> No.11905563

>>11901713
>[Wageslaves] share poverties and humiliations from all the past systems of exploitation without sharing in the revolts against those systems. [...] They are herded into cramped habitations that are gloomy, ugly and unhealthy; ill-nourished with tasteless and adulterated food; poorly treated for their constantly recurring illnesses; under constant petty surveillance; and maintained in the modernized illiteracy and spectacular superstitions that reinforce the power of their masters. For the convenience of present-day industry they are transplanted far from their own neighborhoods or regions and concentrated into new and hostile environments. They are nothing but numbers on charts drawn up by idiots.
Consider that whenever there is a revolution, these numbers merely have a different user than the usual. This approximation of 'typical lives' is itself only drawing numbers on charts, usually by idiots.
What makes people look for the algorithm of success? Looking for El Dorado would at least be an adventure, looking for Utopia can only ever be a tragedy.

>>11900029
E. Michael Jones

>> No.11905571

>>11905563
>Consider that whenever there is a revolution, these numbers merely have a different user than the usual.
Heh, the funny part is that this always leads to a new layer of inherited misery and shame.

>> No.11906879

>>11900064
There is no good and evil. There are just things people have told you to like and not like.

Things are just fine.

>> No.11908191

Mark Fisher. Probably why he an hero'd as well

RIP

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