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Anonymous Sun Sep 30 10:29:18 2018 No.11865970 [Reply] [Original]

I've got an ethical dilemma for you /lit/, based on real life events.
There was a car accident in which a car hit a pedestrian, who then died. In car there were two brothers, both intoxicated. But before police arrived at the scene, the brothers exited the vehicle.
In the course of investigation the police was not able to determine which brother was driving. Neither admits the guilt, they both say it was the other one.
The punishment for killing a person when DUI is very heavy, up to 20 years. But a passanger could be charged at best with failure to administer first aid, a minor offence.
What should police do in this situation? What should the courts do, if anything? Should both brothers be charged with causing the accident, even if it logically impossible? Should both brothers be let go, because there is no conclusive evidence? Would it send a message to society that it's okay to DUI and lie since police can't prove a thing? What is the desired moral outcome?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 10:32:46 2018 No.11865991 >>11865970 If God wanted the man to live, He would have intervened. Clearly, it was God's will that he should die. I say release 'em.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 10:33:06 2018 No.11865992 >was not able to determine which brother was driving then at least one of them is a liar charge one on perjury, the other on dui but give the same sentence doesn't matter which is which

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 11:07:17 2018 No.11866110 >>11865992 No. The one who is the murderer is also comitting perjury. The passenger has committed no crime as he is telling the truth.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 11:10:41 2018 No.11866124 Split the difference. Give them both a sentence that is halfway between failing to render aid and the DUI manslaughter charge.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 11:21:06 2018 No.11866173 "If none of you confess you both get the death penalty, if one confesses the other goes free and both gets 1000 bucks, if both confesses you get double the sentence."

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Anonymous Sun Sep 30 11:23:29 2018 No.11866181

>>11865970
One of the brothers (or both) is the one causing all this trouble by acting unethically. We can't demand that the police be omniscient and omnipotent in investigation.

Say I murder someone. Now the damage is done and no one stopped me, even though that would have been the right things to do had they been able to. But that's the key here, you can fault the police for not doing something that they aren't able to. The only message this sends is "you get away with a a crime if you get away with it" which is tautologically true and doesn't change anything for anyone.

If I were you I'd ask a lawayer about this instead. I'm actually a bit curious how this would be dealt with.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 11:48:04 2018 No.11866282 >>11865991 now the person killed was your mum.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 11:50:40 2018 No.11866305 File: 27 KB, 461x439, 2EACE83E-81B8-4721-B4CB-403B8101BFC5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Beat a confession out of one of them

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 11:56:00 2018 No.11866332 File: 571 KB, 1491x1491, this man IS kant 4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Stare at this for answers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 11:56:22 2018 No.11866333 >>11865970 People are innocent until proven guilty. Both clearly failed to provide first aid so they should both be charged for that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 11:57:40 2018 No.11866337 >>11866305 Wtf this game is that based?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 12:16:33 2018 No.11866398 >>11866181 OP here. I can tell you that the case is pending, the investigation is still open but the law enforcement is stuck and no one has an idea how to solve this. >>11866332 >>11866305 >>11865991 >shitposting on /lit/

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Anonymous Sun Sep 30 12:23:44 2018 No.11866424
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>>11865970
Fine the family(ies) of both brothers a crippling sum that will take 20 years to pay back. If that makes them disown a brother to avoid the debt, then you've got your offender.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 17:08:32 2018 No.11867605 I guess a lie detector test

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 20:44:27 2018 No.11868489 File: 1.36 MB, 320x200, 6b0024bf83b1aa445829d02ba271d6a996d01b683567a75d206f178656dfd9a6.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Imprison both. It is better than the guilty are punished than they walk freely.

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Anonymous Sun Sep 30 20:48:43 2018 No.11868506

>>11865970
Isnt there also a sentence for obstructing investigation? I say if both refuse to blame the other or to take the blame, both should get fucked with the full sentence.
I think that the police should be able to find out who drove the car anyway though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 20:56:00 2018 No.11868537 >>11865970 >But before police arrived at the scene, [the unrelated professional hitmen removed their DNA from the vehicle]. Well, shit. Flip the lever and punch the sixth guy to death.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 21:01:16 2018 No.11868561 >>11865992 >then at least one of them is a liar Yeah the one who did it you fucking retard

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 21:04:03 2018 No.11868572 >>11865970 This is clearly fake. All of the police I know would find the nearest black man and arrest him. Now if both of the people in the car were black they would just both get life sentences.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 21:05:22 2018 No.11868577 >>11868572 Epic reddit

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 1 05:55:04 2018 No.11870014 >>11868572 Oh boy, LMFAO, thanks anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 1 06:04:37 2018 No.11870033 >>11865970 Both are entitled to remain silent. Impossible guilt verdict unless both confess. They walk. Simple. Law, not morals.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 1 10:12:37 2018 No.11870590 >>11865970 The car is registered in only one brother's name. Charge the owner of the car as the driver, and charge the other with leaving the scene.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 1 12:19:03 2018 No.11871005 >>11866282 in this case I'm now a rich man so be it

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 1 12:20:14 2018 No.11871011 >>11865991 fpbp

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 1 12:23:50 2018 No.11871028 >>11865970 >Neither admits the guilt, they both say it was the other one. They shall have trial by combat. Whoever loses was the guilty party and their sentence has been served. Whoever won has had their case proven by God.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 1 12:25:52 2018 No.11871035 ask CSI to check for fingerprints on the steering wheel and shit also, who's car is it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 1 12:54:10 2018 No.11871148 >>11871028 Damn anons, I am the one who said "they, walk". I MISSED that line! In THAT case the idiots hang themselves. Both get perjury charges unless one confesses.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 1 12:55:23 2018 No.11871156 >>11865970 :Put passenger in bag.

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Anonymous Mon Oct 1 15:29:11 2018 No.11871755

>>11865970
Both brothers were intoxicated so they both knew that neither of them should drive yet one of them had to have been driving, but we cannot know who was and who wasn't. The brothers both have a right to due process and protection under the law until proven guilty. So, while we cannot give the sentence to the brother who was driving since we don't know which one it was, it shouldn't be that the brothers don't have to undergo some sort of restorative punishment because at the minimum one of them knew about the other brother driving under the influence. I believe the answer would probably be to undergo financial payments to the victim's family, but this is completely normative

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 1 15:33:15 2018 No.11871777 >>11865991 >implying God intervenes

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 1 15:44:51 2018 No.11871830 >>11865992 Jesus christ I share this board with absolute mongoloids