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what books can I read to develop patrician taste in film?

>> No.11855194

>>11855190
Just watch all the patrician films...

>> No.11855199

have a 10 min conversation with a film studies student, realize how hollow of a shell "patrician" films are, and move on.

>> No.11855288

2001 is so bad I had to stop watching it 40 minutes in

>> No.11855301

>>11855190
Kubrick is the definition of pleb tier 'good' cinema, pleb.

You gonna post pulp fiction next faggot?

>> No.11855304

>>11855288
>>11855301
Shut the fuck up 2001 is literally the best thing Hollywood has ever produced

>> No.11855313

>>11855304
2001 is cringe-tier advertisement for NASA.

>> No.11855315

Terrence Malick post-Days Of Heaven is shit. Shit themes, shit performances, shit philosophy, shit direction, but beautiful cinematography and locations.

Fucking fight me.

>> No.11855323

>>11855304
Nice trip /mu/man

>> No.11855327

>>11855315
Tree of life touched my soul desu

>> No.11855332

>>11855327
I liked it too but abit too arty farty. The one with scarlett johanson and the fella off ghost busters was much better. My favourite Kubrik film is Barry Lyndon.

>> No.11855334

>>11855190
You don't necessarily need to read books to appreciate films. Consider your favourite filmmakers and go research what their favourite films are (sometimes you'll find long lists of films they love). Even filmmakers you might not be too keen on have some interesting favourites - Edgar Wright has a list of his favourite 1000 films and Guillermo Del Toro has a list of his favourite horror films which includes some great classics like Haxan, Vampyr, Nosferatu, the sort of stuff you'd expect from a big fat goth, but also some more interesting choices like giallo films and that Rock Hudson film Seconds.

Watch as much as you can, my dude. If you still want some books on film though, I'd recommend:

Tarkovsky's Sculpting in Time followed by watching his films;
Hitchcock/Truffaut followed by watching a mixture of their best films (Psycho, Rope, Shoot The Pianist, Day For Night, Stolen Kisses);
Donald Richie's The Films of Akira Kurosawa (followed by Kurosawa's greats: Red Beard, Dreams, I Live In Fear, Sanjuro, Yojimbo, Seven Samurai, etc);
Jonathan Clements' Anime: A History (a genuine in-depth look at early Japanese animation, pre-war and post-war, why anime became what it is, the impact of its merchandise culture and where it is today - watch some Satoshi Kon films like Paprika, Millennium Actress and Perfect Blue);
Robert Bresson's Notes on the Cinematograph (and watch some Bresson - A Man Escaped is my favourite but Au Hasard Balthasar is beautiful and so is Pickpocket)

>> No.11855336

>>11855332
Massively underrated Kubrick. Such a great flick.

>> No.11855339

>>11855315
they might as well be luzbeki directed films he did for some vimeo experimental showreel because Terrence malick was probably asleep lmao

>> No.11855346
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Barry Lyndon is most /lit/ film of all time.

>> No.11855355

>>11855332
>>11855346
I really need to see Barry Lyndon sometime.

>> No.11855360

>>11855355
The classic spoof is “Jerry Lyndon” by Amoroni. If you ever want to spend an afternoon literally rolling in your own excitement from laughing so uncontrollably, check it out.

>> No.11855367
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>>11855355
Its genuinely the most breath taking film of all time.

>> No.11855370

>>11855313
I can't think of another movie that's as sophisticated in its presentation of the symbiotic relationship between technology and natural selection. It's legit smart, and it's the only high budget art film Hollywood ever managed to produce.

>> No.11855375

>>11855315
>shit themes
Subjective, but at least the work is sincere and not just hackneyed nihilism or existentialism like every other Western art film
>shit direction
Nah. Tree of Life's use of film language to represent memory was pretty kino

>> No.11855394

>>11855336
I don't even like the plot but it just looks and feels beautiful. Just well made. Its like having a burger from a good restaurant. Very well made. Sure the one from your chippy is just as satisfying, maybe more so on a night out or somin or when hungover, but this one was a well made tasty burger. Not just fat and cheese. Craft.

>> No.11855406

>>11855394
The plot is pretty fun nevertheless

>> No.11855407

>>11855334
I would also give a casual recommendation to Akira Kurosawa's Something Like An Autobiography. Although it's not all focused on his filmmaking - there's many stories of his childhood, his brother's struggle with depression, etc - there's plenty on offer regarding his early days at Toho studios, his experience with the censors in Japan at the time, his experiences working on his early films, and even a very long, extensive list of the films he saw when he was a child (basically any god-tier silent film and noir he saw it).

There's also some very good advice at the end of the book about screenwriting and filmmaking if you're interested.

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Does /lit/ like The Criterion Collection? I feel a little embarrassed to mention them because /tv/ says it's for pseuds and I get a lot of it is film school hipster-core, but I do love the variety of films they've put out. I don't want everything they release, but their Zatoichi boxset is amazing, as is their Lone Wolf and Cub set, and I love their releases of Orson Welles, Bergman and John Waters too. Their editions are so nicely put together with plenty of features and some essays, I'm just a sucker for them.

I hope one day I'm one of those people they invite to the Criterion closet to take any of the DVDs and blu-rays home with me because I would honestly be greedy and take as much as I can

>> No.11855587

>>11855581
They have made a lot of moderately obscure things readily available, which is great.

/tv/ are complete morons when it comes to film

>> No.11855595

>>11855581
dude fuck /tv/, I'm fucking ecstatic criterion came to the uk finally. i'm always checking what they're putting out each month. I really want that Olympics boxset they have even if I can't honestly afford it

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What kino has /lit/ watched recently?

Pic related. It's wonderful and It'll ruin your afternoon.

>> No.11855611

If you got bored at the apes part of 2001 it means you are a pleb.

>> No.11855615

>>11855581
I hate that they don't have any Griffith films in the collection for political reasons. I do think their releases of films I like are very nice to own though.

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>>11855605
EHH BLONDIEE... HIJO DE UNA GRAN PUTA!!!!!!!

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>>11855605

>> No.11855622

>>11855615
I didn't know that. That's a shame, I think Birth of a Nation and Intolerance would be a cool double-feature release. In the UK we have Birth of a Nation released through both the British Film Institute and Eureka. Tempted to spend £10 more on the BFI edition because it's full of special features.

>> No.11855625

>>11855605
I saw High Noon with Gary Cooper recently. Also watched Ace in the Hole with Kirk Douglas which was amazing too. Kirk is such a fucking asshole in that film and he only realises when it's too late that everything has gotten too out of hand. A great cautionary tale to not get too selfish.

>> No.11855627 [DELETED] 

>>11855622
Racisst nigger cunt.

>> No.11855639
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Y'all niggas never laughed, cried, winced and popped a boner all at the same movie before, have you?

> a literal ramen Western
> some foodie gangster has sex with his girl and uses a live lobster for foreplay, he kisses her while passing a raw egg between their mouths and pops the yolk with his tongue
> homeless people know exactly how to cook the perfect omelette
> Tampopo is perfect ramen waifu

>> No.11855646

>>11855627
Calm down, Birth of a Nation is a historically important film technically as it's one of the films that popularised many techniques that are frequently used today. DW Griffith might have been racist, but he was eager to try and dismiss it which is why he made Intolerance which is a film that explores intolerance in different ages and why it's wrong.

A bit of an odd contradiction to call someone racist followed by "nigger," anon. Calm down.

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>>11855639
HIJO DE UNA GRAN PUTA!!! BLONDIE, BLONDIE!!!

>> No.11855650

>>11855190
Watch... films?

>> No.11855657

>>11855646
Stop overglorifying innovation. Someone would have done it had Birh of a Nation not been produced. Innovations like that are never in isolation. Just a coincidence one guy did it first.

So fuck yourself/

>> No.11855659

>>11855639
My Japanese literature professor recommended this film to me. It truly was a wild ride.

>> No.11855680

>>11855622
Yeah, I own the Eureka releases of both, but given Griffith's importance to the foundation of cinematic language, it should be a given that his films belong in the Criterion Collection.
>>11855657
Intolerance is one of the greatest achievements in cinematic history.

>> No.11855773

>>11855657
Why are you so aggressive about people talking about DW Griffith? I openly oppose the Klan's depiction in Birth of a Nation but I can still appreciate it as a film. If you've ever seen Intolerance you would realise it took a stance against prejudice and hate.

You're getting all high and mighty over things you clearly don't understand, so fuck off, you absolute cunt.

>> No.11855776

>>11855657
yknow I have a black friend who's a real cinephile and he's the one who told me to watch birth of a nation because he said it was a powerful film.

>> No.11855781

>>11855657
> stop overglorifying innovation
> stop appreciating things that were before their time, someone would have done it anyway much later on, i'm such a retard boing boing!

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>> No.11855783

>>11855659
I genuinely thought it was difficult to watch that guy kill a tortoise for soup but other than that, Tampopo is a real treat. A genuinely fun, unpretentious movie for fans of food, I loved it and howled with laughter at times.

>> No.11855789

>>11855650
Not OP but some people really just don't know where to start with movies, all the movements, new waves, creative innovations, filmmakers, etc can be daunting I guess if you don't know where to start.

>> No.11855791

>>11855657
What's the harm in appreciating the coincidence of the one guy who did it first? You sound like an absolute faggot, mate.

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>>11855605

>> No.11855803

is this /lit/'s film thread?

boy i'm a genuine sucker for the Oscars. I know I shouldn't be but I can't help taking guesses at what'll be nominated.

I'm keeping an eye on Widows, If Beale Street Could Talk, Blindspotting, First Man and Eight Grade.

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Stalker, Gummo, Playtime, Hard to be a God, Andrei Rublev, Ordet, Fanny and Alexander, Come and See, Amour, Possession (1981), Koyaanisqatsi, Even Dwarfs Started Small, Dr. Strangelove, F for Fake, Act of Killing, Land of Silence and Darkness, The Master and Punch Drunk Love are some of my favourite films.

Beckett, Dostoyevsky and Kierkegaard are some of my favorite writers.

What should i watch and read next?

>> No.11855830

The best way to engineer a better understanding and appreciation of film, is to watch more films.

>> No.11855905

>>11855334
Orson Welles often said the key to making good films was The Golden Bowl

>> No.11855915

>>11855776

this doesn't mean anything, don't use the opinion of your one black film to normalize the content of the film at all

>> No.11855935

>>11855367
Every frame in that film could be a painting by some 19th century romantic. Kubrick's autism/genius was a powerful one.

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>>11855605
i saw a few of godards films before and they were not bad, but this film is perfect

>> No.11855998

How was Kurosawa so good? He shat out 3 hour masterpieces like it was nothing to him

>> No.11856219

>>11855821
Watch Samsara, Spring Breakers, Grave of the Fireflies, City of God, Annie Hall, Smultronstället, Porco Rosso, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Christiane F. - Wir Kinder vom Bahnhof Zoo.

Read Lispector, Kafka, Gogol, Hamsun, Dazai, Gorky, Svetlana Alexievich, Fosse, Hasek, Celine, Söderberg, McCarthy.

>> No.11856300

Deleuze wrote a few books about cinema, but I don't know if they have been translated in English.

>> No.11856314

>>11855301
Kubrick is definitely entry level cinema, but his films are by no means "pleb tier". If you think Paths of Glory is what plebs actually like then you should kys.

>> No.11856319

>>11856219
>Fosse
Who?

>> No.11856327

>>11856319
jon fosse. he will get the nobel in a couple of years so get on the hype train early

>> No.11856333

>>11856314
Kubrick's like one of the big classic authors, I feel. He's entry-level because he's well known, and you don't necessarily need to be well-read to understand and appreciate his films for what they are, but they certainly stand up to scrutiny and you're not necessarily reaching a point where you'll put him "behind you", unless you get way into surrealist yugoslav films; but that's less about climbing the proverbial ladder, and more about taking a detour through a swamp in the middle of the night.

>> No.11856342

>>11856319
The bear comic from muppets

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>>11855605
Watching Nip films at the moment

>> No.11856503
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I just saw All That Jazz. It’s the movie 8 1/2 should have been.

>> No.11856508

>>11856327
Any recs?

>> No.11856778

>>11855821
Watch anything you can by Lopushansky
You might appreciate Mekas as well
Griffith is not a meme, watch Intolerance if you haven't.
Read The Faerie Qveene :^)

>> No.11856782

>>11855915
Nobody is normalising the klan when they talk about Birth of a Nation, you thick cunt

>> No.11856790

>>11855605
I watched Inland Empire it was fucked

>> No.11856791

>>11856333
Talking about surreal slavs I saw the Hourglass Sanatorium and fuck me i had no idea what I saw

>> No.11856798

>>11856503
Been meaning to watch some Bob Fosse

>> No.11856903
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Anyone seen Ivan's Childhood? Whenever discussing Tarkovsky I almost never see it mentioned, which is a shame, it's amazing
The well dream sequence is one of the most beautiful and interesting scenes ever

>> No.11857065

>>11855605
The 400 Blows. I'm trying to go through the French New Wave because of it but everything else is shit, especially Godard's films.