Why is /lit/ so Christian compared to other boards?

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Anonymous Mon Sep 24 19:52:43 2018 No.11837003 [Reply] [Original]

Why is /lit/ so Christian compared to other boards?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 19:53:41 2018 No.11837006 >>11837003 reading makes u smart and if ur smart u realize christianity is the right religion

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 19:53:58 2018 No.11837007 >>11837003 because god is good

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 19:56:08 2018 No.11837018 It's just a meme. Just like most of /g/ posts gentoo and hates on apple constantly yet still uses a MBP with a cheap side thinkpad or battlestation to post.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 20:03:44 2018 No.11837048 reads dostoevsky once

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 20:07:55 2018 No.11837063 because if you read enough about the struggles of the soul of men far greater than you, you'll see the only path to meaning is through God

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 20:11:53 2018 No.11837080 >>11837003 It's faux philosophy. You get to pretend to be clever without having to go beyond a priori's.

Anonymous Mon Sep 24 20:16:11 2018 No.11837094

/pol/ reactionaries flooded the board looking for books to confirm their worldviews. There’s that copy pasta about becoming a Catholic after reading some entry level affirmation-of-faith books but rejecting the sitting Pope because he’s progressive. They’re just “DEUS VULT xD” retards

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 20:17:10 2018 No.11837099 >>11837003 Honestly. I feel like christianity has a significantly stronger presence on all the boards than what you'd expect. I'm sure a lot of them are just larpers though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 20:19:26 2018 No.11837109 Christianity is popular metaphysics.

Anonymous Mon Sep 24 20:20:50 2018 No.11837112

>>11837003
it isn't. fuck off with this larping.
it fucking amazes that people still cling to this stuff in this day and age as if they don't even understand the discoveries of the last few centuries
christianity is the ideological equivalent of a renaissance fair

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 20:28:21 2018 No.11837152 >>11837099 >Honestly. I feel like christianity has a significantly stronger presence on all the boards than what you'd expect r/atheism converted 4chan to Christianity

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 20:30:56 2018 No.11837166 This is a Catholic board. Why do you think the pic in the sticky is the Empyrean?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 20:31:50 2018 No.11837172 >>11837018 >>11837080 >>11837094 >>11837112 Absolute faggots. >>11837003 Its because when people are left in an unregulated environment, they tend to lean right and become more religious. It's a natural part of growing up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 20:36:43 2018 No.11837193 >>11837003 Its mostly teenie-bopper LARPing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 20:37:42 2018 No.11837195 File: 37 KB, 650x390, saint augustine.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11837063 well said.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 20:41:59 2018 No.11837211 >>11837193 >>11837172 Congrats, you get added to the faggot list.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 20:44:57 2018 No.11837225 >>11837003 Muh Deus Vult /pol/tards or Anons seeking any form of spiritual meaning and community past 4chan and their dead end lives that are not sated with anime waifus, porn, video games, or Internet browsing.

Anonymous Mon Sep 24 20:46:04 2018 No.11837231

>>11837003
Other boards are full of brainlets, /lit/ is full of high-IQlets
>be brainlet
>want to understand religions
>come to your conclusions through peer pressure and whatever you see in hollywood, reject Christianity cause your only exposure to it is retarded evangelicals

>be high-IQlet
>want to understand religions
>read the scriptures of various faiths as well as the writings of the followers of these faiths. Combine your readings with healthy dosages of history and philosophy. Come to realize that the only man who can bring people to God is Christ the King, and the only true God is the undivided trinity. Worship him in spirit and in truth

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 20:48:41 2018 No.11837246 >>11837225 You say that like it’s a bad thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 20:56:08 2018 No.11837276 >>11837094 >/pol/ is christian >>11837112 >muh progress makes christianity less plausible. yes, the bible is a science textbook! >>11837109 this, hence /his/ is quite christian too

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 21:00:19 2018 No.11837297 >>11837276 lmao try going to an actual smart board like /sci/ sometime they have daily threads that BTFO of any christians or 'muh idealism' tards who happen to wander over there tis quite amusing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 21:03:20 2018 No.11837315 >>11837003 Because Christianity is the backbone of the western literary tradition, especially since they destroyed so many works that didn't fit in their tradition.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 21:03:46 2018 No.11837316 >>11837297 >actual smart board >BTFO >tis quite amusing YHTGB

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 21:05:41 2018 No.11837327 File: 7 KB, 250x241, 1432724756686s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11837297 >reddit spacing Why does he do it

Anonymous Mon Sep 24 21:06:38 2018 No.11837332

>>11837003
Lurker here, I cant speak for the rest of the board, but as a Catholic who grew up playing video games nonstop, there isn't exactly a whole lot of people that are like minded. So of course I end up on /v/, and after being on /v/ for a bit, I eventually came to the conclusion that video games were making it hard for me to function as well as making me generally lazy and nihilistic. But you can't just quit video games, you have to replace it with something better, so I chose reading to get, hopefully, closer to God in the process of acquiring the taste for reading. So naturally the switch to /lit/ just makes sense. Knowing that I'm not special and I'm fairly average, I wouldn't be surprised if many of the lurker anons on this board have similar stories.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 21:30:36 2018 No.11837422 File: 128 KB, 308x308, 1516254856464.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11837112 >current year posting in 2018

Anonymous Mon Sep 24 21:33:57 2018 No.11837428

>>11837422
>When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. 8 If she does not please her master, who has designated her[b] for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed.
>thou shalt not cover their neighbor's ox
yeah, real applicable to modern times

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 21:35:33 2018 No.11837433 >>11837003 this is a literature board. do you realise the significance of the bible as a piece of literature? dumb post, op.

Anonymous Mon Sep 24 21:35:46 2018 No.11837436

>>11837003
religion taken in as a whole is pretty much the highest form of art that has ever existed by far. the fact that people actually think the point of the bible, millenia later, was to let people know about some dude in the sky is testament to its power and beauty

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 21:48:24 2018 No.11837486 File: 1.59 MB, 325x235, 1495664166319.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11837428 >applicable

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 21:51:48 2018 No.11837494 >>11837297 >an actual smart board like /sci/ >Anybody on /sci/ btfo'ing anybody about anything Come now

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 21:56:16 2018 No.11837505 >>11837112 Give five common arguments for evolution, list the three most common objections to each one, and then the most common retorts to each one of these objections.

Anonymous Mon Sep 24 22:14:14 2018 No.11837574

>>11837428
Incredible how ignorant you are. The ceremonial and judicial laws of ancient Israel have never applied to Gentiles such as you and I. The moral laws do.
Even if "thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's ox" was a standalone command, it would still obviously implicate a more general command--do not covet. But it's not a standalone command and you've botched what the verse actually says. Exodus 20:17

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 22:26:48 2018 No.11837617 >>11837112 >Fedora tips down to Earth's molten core

Anonymous Mon Sep 24 22:27:23 2018 No.11837622
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>>11837006
Smart people are prideful and are easily tricked by Satan.
>>11837018
There is no doubt that at least some people are "Christposting" as a meme, but not all.
>>11837094
Christianity does not confirm the worldview of /pol/, which is a racialist worldview directly contradicted by Christianity.
>>11837112
This argument is weak and tired. The discoveries of the last few centuries do not contradict Christianity (the theory of common descent is false).
>>11837152
Probably partially true (for those who are actual converts.
>>11837193
Undoubtedly partially true
>>11837231
This.
>>11837297
/sci/ doesn't know anything and is one of the worst boards on the entire site.
>>11837428
Extending the logic of this argument would mean that any specific instance that occurred in the past could be considered irrelevant because of the specificity of the event, which is obviously not true. Jesus' commands to specific people are very obviously supposed to be extrapolated into general lessons. There are also typological meanings to verses that are "irrelevant", including all of the laws, sacrificial provisions, conquests, and genealogies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 22:29:14 2018 No.11837626 >>11837003 God is not real

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 22:30:07 2018 No.11837631 File: 42 KB, 300x435, christ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11837626 God is three persons in one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 22:31:51 2018 No.11837635 >>11837428 >implying I don't live in a primitive shithole where slavery is still a thing and oxen are a source of wealth and pride Typical self-centered Western wh*te scum.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 22:32:59 2018 No.11837642 >>11837436 >religion taken in as a whole is pretty much the highest form of art that has ever existed by far >implying religion can be compared with something so childish as art I hope you like eternal fire, anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 22:33:19 2018 No.11837647 >>11837631 God is not real, you are lying to yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 22:43:32 2018 No.11837699 >>11837422 Based ironypost

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 22:45:22 2018 No.11837703 >>11837003 It’s weak bait, along with credulous children that aren’t in on the joke.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 22:59:47 2018 No.11837765 >>11837003 Because this is the only place where christian philosophy and theology can be discussed without rancid shitposting or twisting of the meaning behind the writings.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 23:03:13 2018 No.11837784 >>11837094 >/pol/ >reactionary pick one I doubt even a single one of them has read de Maistre or Carlyle.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 23:05:16 2018 No.11837795 >>11837703 This is weak bait. /lit/ has the best theological threads of any board (although that's not saying much).

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 00:14:23 2018 No.11838127 >>11837622 Thanks for typing all this out so I wouldnt have to. You would think a board like this would be smarter when it comes to religion instead of just parroting emotional reddit atheism. Peace be with you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 00:22:11 2018 No.11838145 >>11837231 Its even more complicated than that. One of the smartest people I know is a creationist lmao its all ove the fuck shop

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 00:23:29 2018 No.11838152 Christianity has a long literary tradition? I mean there are many LARPERS but stop playing coy

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 00:28:07 2018 No.11838167 >>11837428 >clearly an imbicile dudebro >is dishonest enough to claim that he wouldn't be proud of owning an ox

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 00:42:15 2018 No.11838201

Many Brothers actually take to battle on /lit/ and I applaud them.
This is the only board that has individuals that are not of the faith yet that might take the values Christianity has as serious.

>>11837063
For this statement here, if you take part in the community on /lit/ long enough, you'll see how this is true.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 00:45:32 2018 No.11838214

>2006/7 - Atheists at the height of their power, with Hitchens and Dawkins running in their veins. They post gay comments on VenomFangX videos and watch TheAmazingAtheist daily.
>2010/11 - The fedora meme emerges, atheists, absolutely seething after being btfo by the entire world go into hiding out of shame. Christians preach openly once more despite a tough post-9/11 terrorism culture where people focus on religious wars.
>2016 - The atheists come up with a plan to out-meme christians by calling them christLARPers, in a hope that people will forget the fedora meme and take them seriously.
I feel like the christLARPer meme is dying slowly, and that the materialist STEMfaggot meme has won. I think this is because /lit/ generally has a problem with STEMfaggots and materialists who don't "get" books or reading anything that isn't a science textbook.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 00:47:12 2018 No.11838219 >>11838152 >he has never observed a single biblical allusion in any literature I know most of /lit/ stopped reading after high school, but this...

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 00:49:23 2018 No.11838228
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I have a question for the legitimate Christians here.

What made you come to the conclusion that Christianity was correct, instead of say, Islam? Why do you believe Christ is the Son of God and that God is a trinity? If you had been born in an Islamic country, wouldn't you likely have come to the conclusion that Muhammad is God's last prophet and that God is a unity?

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 00:55:40 2018 No.11838247

>>11838228
>I can predict your religion based on your geographical location
Consider reading something other than Dawkins. What is true for the masses is not true for the critical-thinking individual. It's not worth engaging with the masses (aka p-zombies, aka NPCs, aka bugmen).

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 00:56:40 2018 No.11838250 >>11838228 Islam's violence makes it self-defeating. Christianity on the other hand can alternate between violence and pacifism quite effectively when need be.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 00:59:17 2018 No.11838259 >>11837003 what if the bible was written by satan to make people act exactly as he wanted to and not follow the real god that would have made us actually happy?

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:01:38 2018 No.11838271

>>11838250
Is Islam really more violent than Christianity though? Yes the Muslim world is struggling with sectarian violence now, but that wasn't always the case. And it's not like Christianity hasn't had its share of violence too, and violence committed by true believers no less.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:02:47 2018 No.11838279
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>>11838228
I became convinced that the Resurrection had to be true. Islam denies that the Resurrection is real, but for me it's too compelling and too powerful a thing to deny. Islam NEEDS the Resurrection to be false, but it simply isn't. And if the Resurrection is true, then all of Christianity is true.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:03:45 2018 No.11838285

>>11838247
But you can't seriously think the fact you came from a Christian country had no bearing on your decision? Your history, culture, morals, identity, aesthetics, etc. have all been strongly influenced by Christianity, that would clearly have an effect on your attitude towards it?

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>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:05:11 2018 No.11838292 >>11838279 Fair enough. Might I ask what convinced you the resurrection was real?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:05:52 2018 No.11838295 Religion, especially xtans/Jews/mudpoops I'd a murderous ideaology that is a plauge on human existence, literally killed billions and set us back thousands of years of progress

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Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:08:31 2018 No.11838306

>>11838292
Some of it is my own strange experiences with the Christian religion, things I can't fully explain without recourse to the divine.

Beyond that, the Wikipedia article is unironically good place to begin:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_of_Jesus

When you remove the objection that it's impossible for someone who has died to come back to life, the facts really start to align to support the Resurrection as an event in history.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:08:38 2018 No.11838307

>>11838228
Christianity conforms with my experiences. Take, for instance, the existence of evil. I constantly do bad things that I don't really want to do, and, no matter how hard I try, I can't consistently do things that are morally good and that I know would be good for me. The Christian concept of original sin explains this, while the Islamic lack of original sin doesn't. It seems obvious to me that our world, and our lives, are in a profound state of brokenness, one that we are completely unable to fix on our own. No amount of discipline or knowledge can solve that problem, only the loving intervention of God.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:11:51 2018 No.11838318

>>11838228
>What made you come to the conclusion that Christianity was correct, instead of say, Islam?
Genetic fallacy.
>Why do you believe Christ is the Son of God
As >>11838279 says, it all rests on the resurrection. If you want this line of thinking explained in detail, William Lane Craig does a pretty good job. But as a crash course:
Even non-Christians were writing about Jesus the Nazarine less than 80 years after his lifetime. If the apostles were lying, the authorities could've put a stop to the whole thing by just opening the tomb and exposing them. Clearly they did this and it was empty, if the tomb was indeed empty, then it's unlikely the apostles took it out and hid it because, firstly, it's rather odd that so many men would choose to die and suffer horrible deaths for persecution of this prank on the Jewish and Roman authorities, and secondly, it doesn't explain the nearly 500 people that saw Jesus after his death. Mind you, the scripture gives names of some of those people, and we're not talking about today where there's 7 billion people. Back then, if you read "James from x saw him", you can just go to that region and find out the old man who claims he saw Jesus back in his youth.
As for trinity, that's much harder and needs more than a few books to explain.
>>11838271
>Is Islam really more violent than Christianity though?
Yes, way more violent.
>Yes the Muslim world is struggling with sectarian violence now
Do you understand what the sects have been fighting over? Who was the rightful leader of Muhammed's army after his death. This isn't a fresh dispute over some oil. This is a dispute that stems back right to the beginning. Furthermore, we just breezed over one tiny little fact. Muhammed had an army of some 3,000 men. Jesus was a carpenter that got NAIL'd by the Romans. We're comparing apples and oranges here. One taught love, the other taught conquering.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:11:54 2018 No.11838319

>>11838228
I feel the main factor for my belief that Jesus is the son of God is the historical events around Jesus' death and resurrection. Jesus was a doer, and not only a talker. There are a lot of people who say crazy shit in the world, but none who have worked miracles like Jesus did. Mohammed "rewites" the history to make it work for him, and I think he lied as part of a grab for power. He tells people that he is a prophet, but does nothing to show it. There are a lot of empty words which seem just a little too convenient for Mohammed himself.
Those who are born in middle eastern countries into muslim families do not know the truth, and it isn't their fault because nobody is there to tell them. They might still be saved, but I don't know. I can only hope.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:12:39 2018 No.11838323

>>11838285
My father's religion was scientism. My culture's religion is atheism.
Yes, the beliefs of those directly around you shape an incredibly strong bias, a bias that the masses never even consider challenging. The beauty of reading is that through it I realized the utmost importance of engaging in the great conversation critically and without bias. It's one of the most difficult things for a person to do, and yet it is folly to claim that one can genuinely seek the truth.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:15:15 2018 No.11838335 >>11838323 cannot genuinely seek the truth* It's not comfortable to find out that your father's religion and your culture's religion are lies. Most never seek the truth because living comfortably is what matters to people today.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:16:51 2018 No.11838343 >>11838295 other anons already beat you to the progress meme. better get on it faster next time

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:21:29 2018 No.11838356

>>11838228
It's hard to answer what-ifs like that, especially as someone raised Christian. The arguments I find convincing, though, are the Neoplatonist and Aristotelian points on the nature of relationships within Being. And the moral as being part and parcel of existence and of God's nature makes more sense than the idea of morality as arbitrary and the divine as unknowable that seems more prevalent in Islam, whereas a God "bound" in matters of truth and moral judgment by His own nature is something nearly universal in Christianity.

The historical evidence for Christianity over Islam seems pretty strong, especially given Islam's view of Jesus as an actual prophet. The tenets of Islam regarding that aren't compatible with sources as early as we have for Christian teachings.

Plus, as other poster mentioned, original sin is something that describes human nature better than alternative moral views.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:21:49 2018 No.11838357 You have to be low IQ to be a Christian.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:21:52 2018 No.11838359

>>11838228
Is there a God? -> What is the nature of God? (theistic, pantheistic, etc.) -> [if theistic] Who is God?

Ultimately what I realized after living for years as a nihilist is that everyone has faith in something--how foolish I was to once think that I was incapable of faith.
Reading is an excellent way to quickly distinguish between truths and lies--lies cannot hide so well on paper as they do in the messages from society.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:22:57 2018 No.11838365 >>11837003 Religion demands study and devotion

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:23:49 2018 No.11838371 >>11838356 >The historical evidence for Christianity >original sin describes human nature You have to be retarded to believe this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:25:25 2018 No.11838376 >>11838371 >reddit spacing like clockwork

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:27:20 2018 No.11838388 >>11838376 >muh reddit This is what christards do nowadays since they have no evidence to back up their beliefs?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:28:36 2018 No.11838391 >>11838318 Knowledgeable anon. WLC, though no authored saint, seems to do a good job with layman Christianity. /lit/ correctly recommends Aquinas, Augustine, Kierkegaard, etc. >>11838359 This. Used to think that rationality was in conflict with faith.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:28:52 2018 No.11838393 >>11838388 >both reddit and a dawkins-tier materialist it just keeps getting better

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:29:28 2018 No.11838395 >>11838228 >What made you come to the conclusion that Christianity was correct, instead of say, Islam? Personal revelation. >Why do you believe Christ is the Son of God and that God is a trinity? Because I understand the divinity of the power of 3.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:31:12 2018 No.11838400 >>11838250 but the faith isn't the same thing as how people interpret it or practice it or attribute actions to it

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:31:21 2018 No.11838401

>>11838388
If you actually read you'd realize that among authors, the consensus on human nature is near-unanimous. Please elaborate how it is retarded to believe that christianity accurately represents human nature. Or do you name call because you have nothing to back up your bias?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:31:32 2018 No.11838403 >>11837003 Because the bible is literature? And not bad literature at that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:32:44 2018 No.11838405 >>11838393 >muh materialist meme Wow, no wonder religious people are so afraid of literacy and evidence. Their whole ideology is contingent on faith.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:34:19 2018 No.11838409 >>11838405 >he doesn't realize that his whole ideology is contingent on faith Consider not arguing against 1:1 creationists when I have never seen one on /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:35:01 2018 No.11838410 >>11838401 Christianity makes tons of faith-based claims. It's not my fault that Christians can't evidently demonstrate these claims critically.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:36:26 2018 No.11838415 >>11838410 Do you even understand what Faith is anon

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:37:36 2018 No.11838418

>>11838405
if you want this knowledge regarding god then you must approach the research with faith.
don't worry about how crazy other religious people are, as you claim- gaining knowledge is an individual pursuit, especially when pertaining to one's own relationship with god.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:37:41 2018 No.11838419

>>11838391
>WLC, though no authored saint, seems to do a good job with layman Christianity
In a certain way, he reminds me of C.S Lewis. He does a great job at explaining what and why Christians believe to those outside the faith. Once you start with them, then your world can open up with Aquinas imho

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:38:23 2018 No.11838422 >>11838415 In the same way that there are space reptilians takes faith to believe, yeah.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:39:54 2018 No.11838434
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>>11838228
>Conversion
>subjective experience of a knowing and righteous God
>conviction in the Spirit through recognition of His perfect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOx-fTD49BQ

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:40:04 2018 No.11838437 >>11838388 >>11838405 >>11838410 >>11838422 read Augustine's Confessions

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:40:05 2018 No.11838436 >>11838422 So your answer is 'No'.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:40:29 2018 No.11838439 >>11838401 Sweetie what 'consensus'? What church taught you that?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:40:46 2018 No.11838440 >>11838419 I'm new to Christian philosophy, what Aquinas do you recommend?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:42:18 2018 No.11838447 >>11838437 Why should I believe anybody's religious experiences?

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:42:59 2018 No.11838450
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I implore /lit/ to listen to these videos.
Remove your personal bias and be open to what he says.

Jesus was an iconoclast, and made into a icon.
Buddha was an iconoclast, and made into a icon.

https://youtu.be/Sr1oIATudD4
https://youtu.be/jwocywANpfQ

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:43:43 2018 No.11838452 >>11838356 can you rec some readings about all this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:44:22 2018 No.11838456 >>11838440 Summa of the Summa, because if you try to tackle Summa Theologica as a newbie it'll really bog you down.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:46:28 2018 No.11838463 >>11837622 Become a priest and ascend to the papacy. I'm being serious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:46:54 2018 No.11838465 I mean, I'm not even an atheist redditfag and you guys wouldn't last a day on a sub like r/trueatheism for instance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:47:01 2018 No.11838467 >>11838450 >/lit/ giving eastshit the time of day unlikely

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:47:03 2018 No.11838468 >>11838456 thanks friend

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:47:16 2018 No.11838470 >>11838447 As their own testimony to provide themselves their Faith, yes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:47:30 2018 No.11838473 >believing in Jewish scribbles Please go back to /pol/ if you indulge in these Semitic fabrications

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:47:31 2018 No.11838474 File: 29 KB, 325x499, 41E6TKQH9RL._SX323_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11838228 https://youtu.be/t-ZeDPBDyZE?t=4m27s if the link doesn't work correctly the timestamp is 4:27

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:48:14 2018 No.11838478 >>11838450 >Jesus a iconoclast Bro, he bore the Law Heavily upon the people. He provided reckoning that was promised by the Prophets.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:49:38 2018 No.11838482 >>11838470 Why is it that different cultures and societies have different religious and mystical experiences? That and a lot of these experiences can be explained.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:51:16 2018 No.11838486 >>11838467 Was that supposed to be an attack on my suggestion? Or, that /lit/ in general is always dismissive of ideas that stem from the East. Either way, closed-mindedness is ignorance. >most of /lit/ is ignorant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:51:37 2018 No.11838489 >>11838465 ooo scary

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:52:17 2018 No.11838492 >>11838478 Just watch the video, or at the very least the shorter video. Please, then you can shit on me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:53:28 2018 No.11838496 >>11837018 >>11837080 >>11837193 >>11837225 >>11837297 >>11837436 >>11837703 >>11838473 With arguments like these...

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:54:35 2018 No.11838502 File: 271 KB, 1508x1000, christ chan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11838473 >>11838465

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:55:04 2018 No.11838504 >>11838489 I agree, literacy is scary for religious people.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:57:09 2018 No.11838512 >>11838502 Christ-chan should wash her mouth

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:57:13 2018 No.11838513 >>11837332 Pretty much this, but I still play some games

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:57:18 2018 No.11838516

>>11838371
In this case the historical evidence in question is that Christian teaching within a decade of events in question are completely incompatible with the Islamic versions. No more, no less. Please set aside any atheistic bias and see the point in context.
Original sin as a description of human nature? Not sure how that's flawed. We're obviously rational beings that have a tendency to do bad and ill-advised things, but if you accept the "evil as privation", original sin is about the only thing that makes sense of human behavior. (that is an entire argument of its own, but it's pretty hard to have a moral system and a positively existing evil)
>>11838388
>This is what christards do nowadays since they have no evidence to back up their beliefs
>You have to be retarded to believe this.
Something something casting the first stone... Ad hominem dribble gets ad hominem drabble in response.
>>11838410
>>11838422
You're misunderstanding the nature of faith and reasons for belief as understood by Christians. If you enter a debate, at least understand the terms involved.

>>11838452
Original sin and Christian vs Islamic ideas of the divine as absolute truth vs authoritarian, try Chesterton (iirc Orthodoxy had a good section,) and Belloc's Great Heresies (specifically the part on Islam). Look through the earliest Christian writings (new testament, church fathers) and compare them to Islamic beliefs for what Jesus as a prophet in Islam's understanding would require.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:57:57 2018 No.11838520 >>11838492 No

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:58:41 2018 No.11838524 >>11838482 Because mystical parts of religion are an objective part of human life, as is God.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:58:57 2018 No.11838526 File: 1.48 MB, 2528x1364, redcapeforbrainlessbull.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11838504 Yes; clearly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:59:41 2018 No.11838529 >>11838504 >le most geniuses were atheists they weren't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 01:59:59 2018 No.11838532 File: 62 KB, 1361x697, atheism.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11838465 >you guys wouldn't last a day

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:00:41 2018 No.11838536 >>11838520 Okay, pseud.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:00:59 2018 No.11838538 >>11837647 How do you Know?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:04:02 2018 No.11838545 >>11838516 Nope, faith is belief in a claim. There's no 'misunderstanding', it's simple as that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:04:42 2018 No.11838547 File: 1.50 MB, 2338x1445, morebooksthanyouwilleverread.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11838504 Very much so.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:04:56 2018 No.11838548 >>11838516 thanks for the books lad

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:05:51 2018 No.11838550 >>11838529 I never said that but ok. Most 'geniuses' were overrated anyway.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:06:42 2018 No.11838555 >>11838532 >forcefeeding me with pride and arrogance STOP

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:07:13 2018 No.11838558 >>11838526 >>11838547 fuck >>11838532 lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:08:17 2018 No.11838562 >>11838526 >>11838547 What is this supposed to show? Literacy involves understanding what you read. Most religious people filter their understanding through biased stuff.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:08:53 2018 No.11838565 File: 321 KB, 782x788, 1530660186801.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11838532 >literally advocating for living life with the mentality of a dog

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:09:25 2018 No.11838566

>>11838228
Raised christian, had doubts in middle/high school, realized some pitfalls with materialism and other viewpoints, stuck to my faith, studied some philosophy, saw some great arguments in favor, intuition (nature's beauty, etc.) told me I was correct, faith strong as ever.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:09:56 2018 No.11838568 >>11838562 >Most people filter their understanding through biased stuff. FTFY. Don't bother engaging with the masses anon.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:09:57 2018 No.11838569

>>11838562
Almost everyone filters their information through their existing worldview you goalpost shifting cuck. The point is that there is a 2000 year tradition of scholarship, debate, and theological reflection on Christianity, which anyone can read and examine to determine the truth of its claims.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:10:27 2018 No.11838570 Is it even possible to become Christian these days if you weren't raised that way?

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:10:57 2018 No.11838572

>>11838562
>Most religious people filter their understanding through biased stuff.
All people do. Or do you believe in heliocentrism?

Whilst scientific data may be correct every now and then, all models made after it are biased and flawed. No exceptions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:11:15 2018 No.11838575 >>11838570 I've seen it happen but the internet fucks everything up

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:12:06 2018 No.11838579 >>11838575 I want so bad to believe in an eternal being that loves me but it just seems like LARPing

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:12:21 2018 No.11838582

>>11838450
>>11838492
The shorter video makes no convincing argument. His first argument relies on the entire group of Jesus' disciples making the same mistakes with absolutely no record of dispute on the matter, and literally no one remembering the correct version of the original teachings of Christ for generations after.
"Christianity is an impossible religion"- and he misses the point again. "Guilt as a virtue"- demanding perfection of people is not insanity, it is the aim. I'm not sure what lesser goal someone should pursue in the moral sphere. What is religion for, if not to make us holy? "I'll do penance, and go and sin again"- has he even read a catechism? Listened to a priest? I've never heard a priest indicate what he says is universally preached from the pulpit. Waste of 10 minutes. Why the heck were people applauding that?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:12:58 2018 No.11838585 File: 162 KB, 900x617, matador-and-bull-clarence-alford.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11838562 Subpar cope seen coming from miles away. And you now you can read the filenames, toro.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:13:29 2018 No.11838586 >>11838569 >almost everyone filters their information through their existing worldview Great, so you admit that your ideology binds you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:14:01 2018 No.11838590 >>11838570 Yes, if you're already a reader, it's almost no challenge at all. Join a body of believers if you want to get involved (you should). Nicest people I've ever met have been from church groups.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:14:58 2018 No.11838592 >>11838570 the current culture is very much against you, but you can. I was raised by two atheist parents and am converting now, it's not always easy, but it's getting easier every day with God's help.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:15:58 2018 No.11838597 >>11838570 Why wouldn't it be? The process is the same as always, you just start believing it's true and convert

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:16:23 2018 No.11838598 >>11838405 What's wrong with faith?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:17:05 2018 No.11838602 >>11838597 >you just start believing it's true That's the hard part. Going from "this seems like it actually accurately describes the human condition" to "jesus was literally God"

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:17:27 2018 No.11838603 >>11838409 I'm orthodox, so creationist. Now you've seen one

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:17:48 2018 No.11838607

>>11838586
Imagine being this guy
>>11838579
I used to feel that way, that I had no faith. Read into philosophy, theology, engage in the arguments, etc.--you have to arrive at the truth on your own. What convinced me was realizing that every ideology requires faith. Faith is not necessarily in conflict with human reasoning.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:18:51 2018 No.11838608 >>11838598 Faith is an obstruction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:19:06 2018 No.11838609 >>11838579 I think you should read some of the stuff recommended in this thread and think about it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:20:11 2018 No.11838614 >>11838592 God bless you anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:20:52 2018 No.11838618 >>11838579 >>11838609 and yeah, if you're really interested I think the best thing to do is get involved in a church or something of the sort regardless of your doubts and try not to give up on it all quickly

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:21:08 2018 No.11838619 >>11838607 You don't have to be entangled in philosophy and theology. Those are just thought traps.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:21:28 2018 No.11838620 >>11838608 You have faith placed in some core beliefs right now, anon.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:21:35 2018 No.11838621

>>11838602
Start going to church, or at least reading the Bible regularly and praying. You might feel silly praying to a God who you don’t yet believe it, but it’s important. Faith is a gift from God, not something you can develop on your own. Over time the Spirit will move within you and you’ll begin to feel the presence of God

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:22:17 2018 No.11838622 >>11838579 Why do you want to? Love is overrated.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:22:35 2018 No.11838623 >>11838608 To what? Depends on your goals. In fact, one of my main reasons for going cold on the faith front is its opposition to my vengeful nature.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:22:59 2018 No.11838625 >>11838619 >using terms such as "thought traps" or "masturbatory," ever >using such terms towards philosophy in general I feel genuine pity anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:23:35 2018 No.11838627 >>11838621 aka willfully delude myself into thinking a magic entity is inside me

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:24:20 2018 No.11838631

>>11838608
Faith doesn't obstruct anything, it goes beyond reason. when you are dealing with a all powerful God how do you expect to know Him in any other way. You can reason your way pretty far in a physical universe. But eventually it is your own reason which becomes the obstruction. To reach beyond you need faith. You can verify that Jesus existed, did X Y or Z, as far as you can using reason, but how do you believe that he was the son of God? You need to trust in Him and have faith in Him.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:25:21 2018 No.11838635 File: 302 KB, 1191x1569, IMG_7400.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11838621 >You might feel silly praying to a God who you don’t yet believe

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:25:53 2018 No.11838636 >>11838608 Do you not have faith in the Primary logical laws?

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:26:28 2018 No.11838638

>>11838627
No, allow yourself the possibility of experiencing the transcendent God. A good metaphor is a romantic relationship. You can’t ignore your gf completely and expect her to fawn over you, you have to put yourself out on a limb and commit yourself to the act of loving, risking something in order to achieve a great reward. In religious terms, this is what Kierkegaard calls the leap to faith.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:26:32 2018 No.11838640 >>11838631 I can have faith in yeti trans-psychic healing and delude myself into verifying its reality. Doesn't actually show anything.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:27:19 2018 No.11838641
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>>11838627
All experience you have is molding your physical form and appearance. The effect is real, so the source is real. Just by feeding emotions you can change your appearance.

"Nothing" has no effect. Even atheism rears its ugly head as a "magical entity", growing a neckbeard and wearing a fedora/trilby.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:27:31 2018 No.11838642 >>11838640 Can you though?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:28:04 2018 No.11838644 >>11838636 No, I question everything.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:28:08 2018 No.11838645 >>11838627 Hey anon that consistently uses reddit spacing, I hope that you've learned something from this thread that you've been frequenting for over an hour now. The Holy Spirit isn't literally inside you silly :^)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:29:20 2018 No.11838647 >>11837003 They're too proud to admit that Capital has taken over.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:30:03 2018 No.11838649 >>11838638 Hmm, interesting that different societies have different religious and mystical experiences. By the way, experiences don't prove anything.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:30:41 2018 No.11838651 >>11838649 >By the way, experiences don't prove anything NPC detected.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:31:14 2018 No.11838652 >>11838640 >all faith is blind, there is no "reasonable" faith yikes >>11838641 based filename

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:31:31 2018 No.11838654 >>11838450 I watched the short video. He comes so, so close, but completely misses the point. >does the "selectively quote John 10:34" sophistry And then he revealed himself a complete and utter pseud. Just a forerunner of youtube intellectuals, desu.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:31:46 2018 No.11838655 File: 109 KB, 2000x756, 2000px-Christianity_Branches.svg.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] WHAT BRANCH

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:32:01 2018 No.11838657 >>11838644 Then you're more incoherent and illogical than thiests

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:32:05 2018 No.11838658 >>11838651 I'm not the one that is shilling my experience as if it's something significant, that's on the nutbaker religious and mystics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:32:18 2018 No.11838659 >>11838649 Ireneaus BTFO’d your brand of nonsense 1800 years ago. The Logos is responsible for all truth, in whatever manifestations it is found.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:32:26 2018 No.11838660 >>11838655 All of the living branches honor God. Cut out the rest.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:33:22 2018 No.11838663 >>11838654 What's the correct interpretation of John 10:34?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:33:30 2018 No.11838664 >>11838655 Where's russian orthodox?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:33:40 2018 No.11838665 File: 392 KB, 1000x1285, aidan-hart-ap.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11838649 >experiences don't prove anything pic related both in example and in mfw

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:33:48 2018 No.11838667 >>11838657 How so? If you aren't questioning everything you're setting yourself up to be trapped.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:33:54 2018 No.11838668

>>11838658
>I'm not the one that is shilling my experience as if it's something significant
t. significant experience telling you and I so

Try arguing without perception and memory against the significance of experience. In fact, significance itself IS a perceived phenomenon not found with the magical "laboratory equipment of truth".

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:34:41 2018 No.11838671 >>11838655 I grew up in an Evangelical church called the Vineyard

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:34:51 2018 No.11838673 >>11838667 If you don't take the primary logical laws to be true, then nothing you come up with makes sense without them

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:35:07 2018 No.11838675 File: 1.67 MB, 404x280, holy....gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11838532 >my dog is technically an atheist

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:35:57 2018 No.11838678 >>11838659 Nah, he BTFO'd himself because he was shilling faith-based claims that a lot of folks will be suspicious of.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:36:15 2018 No.11838679 >>11838532 lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:36:35 2018 No.11838681 >>11838664 In Eastern Orthodoxy

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:37:02 2018 No.11838683 >>11838655 Some divisions will claim their traditions make them the the "truest" christianity. Just keep in mind that traditions can become dangerous. >>11838658 Your experience and knowledge is all you have to work with, anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:37:16 2018 No.11838685 >>11837003 Half of it is just a meme. The other half is Americans LARPing. Even the 'Buddhists' here are more legitimate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:37:23 2018 No.11838687 >>11838681 Oh, I guess I only think of Greek when I read eastern

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:38:01 2018 No.11838689 >>11838678 And with that it’s time for me to go to sleep. I suggest you read Irenaeus’s Against Heresies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:38:18 2018 No.11838692 >>11838663 You can start by reading the whole section to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:38:27 2018 No.11838693 >>11838685 >just a meme Using a reductionist curse word won't make 'meme' into a lesser being than what the reality of the scenario is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:38:42 2018 No.11838695 >>11838665 Lol, it amazes me that religious folks want so desperately to act like experiences must be the cause to prove something. What poor freaks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:39:55 2018 No.11838700 >>11837152 This is the correct answer. Because 4chan is filled with contrarians. And because r/atheism is fucking insufferable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:40:12 2018 No.11838703 >>11838640 you say that like it's easy; as if you could snap your fingers and believe in yeti trans-psychic healing. if it were that easy you probably would have already done it. we wouldn't be having this discussion either.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:40:14 2018 No.11838704 >>11838695 So experiences of empirical testing doesn't count either?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:40:49 2018 No.11838706 >>11838695 >Lol, it amazes me that religious folks want so desperately to act like experiences must be the cause to prove something They are. I bet you don't eat ideally because of things like taste-sensation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:41:14 2018 No.11838708 >>11838704 It doesn't count either.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:41:37 2018 No.11838712 >>11838640 Than go have faith in it anon. You seem interested in having some kind of faith in something but you keep stopping yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:41:46 2018 No.11838713 >>11837003 I like to read religious books for fun, I'm not a Christian but I like the lore and find it as good as any a metaphysical justification to be a good person

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:43:08 2018 No.11838717 >>11838706 Folks have claimed to be abducted by aliens, claimed to see ghosts, claimed to be possessed, claimed to see UFOs, etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:44:21 2018 No.11838724 >>11838717 Ok. Claims don't prove anything, experience does. Say, someone was truly abducted by aliens, doesn't matter if they make the claim or not. What matters is that it happened, and it is proven by the lived experience.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:45:28 2018 No.11838727 >>11838724 Not him but it seems like a decent portion of abductees are sincere. They legitimately believe they experienced what they say they did.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:46:28 2018 No.11838729 >>11838727 It's possible, I don't know any better. I've experienced a few bizarre /x/ moments in my life as well. Not sure what to make of them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:46:42 2018 No.11838731 >>11838685 http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/ >.7% vs 70.6% >"the supposed christians are insincere there's no way they actually believe that lol" Thanks for your original (>>11838496) contribution to this thread!

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:47:33 2018 No.11838733

>>11838582
I think you are missing the point. You are obviously indoctrinated in the ideals of Christianity, and religion in general.

Do you even know what he is arguing? he is saying that Jesus was put on a pedestal - he was deemed a perfect person because he was God, or the son of God, and that Man could never achieve perfection because Man is not God. But we should feel guilty for not being perfect? that makes rational and logical sense. Its like telling a kid that was born without legs, that he should feel bad for not being able to walk.

>demanding perfection of people is not insanity, it is the aim
First, what kind of perfection are you aiming for? Perfection in regards to what the Bible teaches?

>What is religion for, if not to make us holy?
What does "make us holy" even mean? You may argue with me, but religion is essentially for controlling the masses, it is the desire to control people's actions through incentives (heaven and hell) and guilt.
e.g. stealing is bad because it hurts the person you stole from. But that statement hinges on the fact that the idea of private property actually exists, and not from the fact that human's have an innate desire to identify/attach oneself to things outside of oneself. So to keep an individual from stealing something I DESIRE TO KEEP FOR MYSELF, I enter into a society where taking what you want, when you want is decentivized trhough guilt/punishment/damnation

>has he even read a catechism? Listened to a priest? I've never heard a priest indicate what he says is universally preached from the pulpit
What does this even have to do what he is talking about?

Alot of what you said is really ambiguous and doesnt make any direct reference to much of what was said in the video. It kind of seems like you just reacted, instead of examining.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:47:46 2018 No.11838734 >>11838724 They said to have experienced them. And no, experience doesn't prove anything. When you say experience proves something, you are making an assumption about your senses.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:49:06 2018 No.11838738

>>11838734
>They said to have experienced them.
So what? There are crimes that occur without us knowing about it.
>And no, experience doesn't prove anything.
It does. We are discussing something, are we not? Beyond my experience I can't prove it to myself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:51:45 2018 No.11838745 >>11838738 >what is naive realism

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:53:11 2018 No.11838753 >>11838745 >objectively Ahahahahaha. Did you just assume that I think of you as a fellow person / soul? No, you are an ad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:53:12 2018 No.11838754 >>11838733 >/lit/ doesn't agree with my simplistic eastshit? It's obviously the indoctrinated Christians who are wrong. But please, keep posting AronRa-esque speculative videos.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:54:46 2018 No.11838757 >>11838753 Well hey, at least you admit you contradicted yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:57:23 2018 No.11838764 >>11838621 >>11838638 Humans are extremely suggestible. "You have to believe in it (or act like you do) before you can perceive it" is a sign that something is pure wishful thinking.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:57:31 2018 No.11838766 >>11837006 >being this ignorant of actual demographical data yep, par for the course

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:59:32 2018 No.11838771 >>11838754 I dont see an argument. >/lit/ doesnt entertain any ideas presented in eastern philosophy, because it goes against/is different from their Christian/Western paradigm the amount of pseuds on this board is depressing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:01:11 2018 No.11838777 >>11838757 I didn't? My experience of real events is real. Not necessarily objective. Truth doesn't need to be objective.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:01:49 2018 No.11838779 >>11838764 Not either of those anons but you should keep in mind that by no means will the truth reveal itself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:02:13 2018 No.11838781 >>11838771 >the amount of pseuds on this board is depressing. Resorting to experience to qualify reality and affect others? Hmm.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:02:27 2018 No.11838784 >>11838777 Truth is objective tho anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:03:42 2018 No.11838787 >>11838764 Placebo effect is real, though. >>11838784 Truth has an objective form as well. Objective nature has no monopoly on truth. Truth is all there is, including experiences.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:05:24 2018 No.11838793

>>11838764
This would be a good point if God were a being in the universe, which we could observe in some way. God is not a being in the universe, but is Being Itself. There is no other way to know Him. Even through revelation, you cannot know everything. If you saw Jesus appear in front of your eyes right now, would you believe that he is the son of God? Not necessarily; you may believe that he exists and appeared in front of you, but the burning question still stands: Jesus appeared in front of me, is he the Son of God? Higher truths require something higher than reason. Something suprarational; in this case, faith.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:05:36 2018 No.11838794 >>11838771 Not the anon you responded to but it's obvious you didn't give him any counterargument, you just asked him to elaborate on every phrase he wrote. You're depressed because of the psueds on /lit/? Pitifully ironic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:07:44 2018 No.11838800 >>11838787 >Objective nature has no monopoly on truth. And non-sense is the anti-thesis to any subjective claims.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:08:17 2018 No.11838804 >>11838685 >I have a comprehensive knowledge of all the people on my anonymous literature board you're a fucking brainlet

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:09:42 2018 No.11838809 >>11838800 Temporary one, though. We didn't know ice man Ötzi was murdered before. Now we do. Science is temporary.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:16:39 2018 No.11838833 >>11837003 Whether you love it or hate it, the Bible influenced a shitton of literature

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:18:37 2018 No.11838839

>>11837048
(you) are pseud
>>11837063
Ironically, the struggles of man stems from the Christian indoctrination and its attempt to control man. It's like a black person voluntarily becoming a slave in pre-civil war America.

>>11837112
this. But /lit/ will cope by calling you a fedora-tipper and all that jazz. It's just pure romanticization and dogmatism.

>>11837172
fuck, you are so bluepilled. People who stop being ignorant move away from the right.

>>11837231
lol the irony of your post.

>>11838145
>smartest person I know is a creationist!
t. someone living in the deep south

>>11838247
>>11838250
>>11838279
>>11838323
>>11838356
D O G M A

>>11838307
The ideas of evil, right, wrong, bad etc. have been institutionalized in you. You believe in spooks and make them out to be real fact. Your justification almost seems like circular reasoning.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:21:49 2018 No.11838852

>>11838794
How am I supposed to give a counter-argument, when what he said was ambiguous?
He says the video makes no convincing argument, and then proceeds to talk about the first argument without even making mention of what the argument was. How am I supposed have a discussion with someone about something, when I'm not sure the anon understood what was being said? Or are you too stupid to understand?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:22:42 2018 No.11838856 File: 14 KB, 364x322, my literal face when a dog of christ dares to reply to me.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Something something desire for meaning

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:23:47 2018 No.11838859 >>11838833 yeah a lot of stupid fucking literature that made people fucking retarded. >>11838781 What do christfaggots resort to again? Hmm.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:24:17 2018 No.11838862

>>11838839
>Ironically, the struggles of man stems from the Christian indoctrination and its attempt to control man
Possible. You can make Christianity into a burden, or you can let it free you. You see, Christianity makes you see the entity-ridden forest of your life. To garden it may seem like a chore, but to be the breeding grounds of entities is not freedom. If you live a life of vice you should know how much they limit you. If you believe the advertisements of those entities, you'll likely only react to Christianity the way those vices do.

In other words, if you are chained by laziness, you'll find Christianity horrifying as it pushes you onward. Likewise, pride, feminism, egalitarianism and so forth act the same way. The competition of memes is not just a struggle, it's a war. However, if you manage to win as a Christian, you can be free.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:25:29 2018 No.11838864

>>11838859
>What do christfaggots resort to again? Hmm.
How can you affect things without reality? What's the alternative? How does anything unreal have an effect?

We have seen an extent of truth you've yet to understand. I bet you're still in high school.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:28:10 2018 No.11838872
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>>11838856
You clearly do have an intent behind that post. To organize reality and other people in a hierarchy of your choosing. You don't treat it all as arbitrary, but you do posit yourself as if you were doing such.
The question is; why? I presume it is because you intend to ignore things, so you use your great ape heritage and the inherent reactions to mold yourself to fit that goal. In this instance, presumed laughter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:31:23 2018 No.11838882 >>11838872 Dog of christ, do you think you are deserving of a proper reply? If so: Why? You're a dog.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:32:48 2018 No.11838885
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>>11838839
>reddit spacing
>"It's like a black person voluntarily becoming a slave in pre-civil war America."
>"fuck, you are so bluepilled. People who stop being ignorant move away from the right."
>"lol the irony of your post."
>misusing t.
>Bold and doublespace, but without vertical letters
>ends with inane, edgy stirner drivel
Masterful, exhaustive bait.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:34:08 2018 No.11838888 File: 293 KB, 611x451, szondi 8.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11838882 Feeding my pride won't help you. >You're a dog Wrong on all accounts. Not even true on the Chinese zodiac.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:36:32 2018 No.11838891
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>>11837003
If your of European heritage, remember that your recent ancestors weren't christycucks. Christians destroyed your ancestral heritage just as it most recently destroyed the native american's heritage.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:37:45 2018 No.11838892 >>11838859 >yeah a lot of stupid fucking literature that made people fucking retarded nothing new ever comes from newfags who refuse to read the threads. see >>11838219

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:37:52 2018 No.11838893

>>11838862
>You see, Christianity makes you see the entity-ridden forest of your life. To garden it may seem like a chore, but to be the breeding grounds of entities is not freedom. If you live a life of vice you should know how much they limit you. If you believe the advertisements of those entities, you'll likely only react to Christianity the way those vices do.
>In other words, if you are chained by laziness, you'll find Christianity horrifying as it pushes you onward. Likewise, pride, feminism, egalitarianism and so forth act the same way. The competition of memes is not just a struggle, it's a war. However, if you manage to win as a Christian, you can be free.
To believe this, I would first have to buy into your notions virtue and vice. I would have to believe in spooks.

>>11838864
>your entire post
What the fuck are you even saying?
Is this some non-sequitur?

>How can you affect things without reality?
First, I'm not saying there isnt a reality, you tard. And you affect things by enacting your will on that thing.

Are you stupid? I made a descriptive, statement, saying that there are a lot of pseuds on this board and it depresses me.
You make the statement, "Resorting to experience to qualify reality and affect others? Hmm"
Which means fuck all. I made an observation on this board that is dependent upon my definitions of pseud and depressing.
>We have seen an extent of truth you've yet to understand. I bet you're still in high school.
holy shit stop fucking like a pseud/sophist, talking in ambiguities. I bet youre a fucking freshman in college.

>>11838885
>using the "reddit spacing" meme

>merely quoting what I said, with exception to "misusing t."
Proceeds to conclude that my post is bait.
Nice

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:38:42 2018 No.11838895 This thread is one of the reasons why Christians deserve a Holocaust on them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:38:55 2018 No.11838896 >>11838892 You're right, my b.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:38:57 2018 No.11838897 >>11838885 Jesus, that child's an amerimutt.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:40:04 2018 No.11838899 >>11838891 >vargposting >didn't proofread >spewing nonsense you'll find likeminded individuals on >>>/pol/ and >>>/r9k/

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:41:39 2018 No.11838904 >>11838891 Remember ur roots guys and eat bugs and live in huts LOL NEANDERTHAL PRIDE WOOP WOOP

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:42:51 2018 No.11838905
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>>11838891
>Christians destroyed your ancestral heritage
Did the pagans also destroy the previous heritage of your previous ancestors? The Swedes did try to destroy our national heritage and identity for cultural and racial hegemony. They failed. We still have sauna, Kalevala and our language and of course, blood. Every living thing has its heritage.

Christianity does not equate iconoclasm or swedishness. In fact, among the Norse it seems that conformism and vulnerability to trends is a part of their heritage.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:43:18 2018 No.11838906 >>11838904 >implying that capitalistic society today is so wonderful! Also >using logical fallacies

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:44:05 2018 No.11838908

>>11838893
>with [sole] exception to "misusing t."
might want to work on your reading comprehension skills summerfriend. If you can't comprehend, you can analyze, and when you can't analyze you can't synthesize. Ex-readers are tolerable but never-readers such as yourself need to find a different board. Why are you here?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:45:13 2018 No.11838910 >>11838906 >fails to refute me

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:45:22 2018 No.11838911 >>11838897 >sminem is american painfully new >>11838895 cute...

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:46:27 2018 No.11838914 >>11838908 How does it feel to be a pseud?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:46:30 2018 No.11838915 >>11838910 >has no distinguishable argument >expects refutation

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:47:48 2018 No.11838920 >>11838915 >pointedly removes your arguement >lol bro u got no arguement Hurr durr dumb ass

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:47:52 2018 No.11838921 >>11838914 >he doesn't know I was referring to Bloom's Taxonomy How does it feel to be in high school?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:49:24 2018 No.11838926 >>11838920 What kind of person types out "hurr durr?"

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:51:16 2018 No.11838933

>>11838915
/lit/ is filled with college freshman who consider themselves as intellectuals, but are in fact pseuds.

So, what can you expect?

>>11838921
>because i make no reference to blooms taxonomy, he assumes that I dont know what it is
Again, how does it feel to be a pseud?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:51:50 2018 No.11838935 File: 152 KB, 645x729, 1523170591033.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11838926 Wouldn't you like to know

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:51:59 2018 No.11838937

>>11838893
>To believe this, I would first have to buy into your notions virtue and vice. I would have to believe in spooks.
Of course. Spooks have an effect, and so does "not believing" (a spook) in them.

>What the fuck are you even saying?
If someone believes in "falsehood", spook or whatever, and it has an effect on them and others, how does that effect come into being? If one of the integral mechanical parts of a machine isn't real, how can it operate?
>First, I'm not saying there isnt a reality, you tard
That wasn't even the implication. How did you end up with that conclusion? You're saying that the experienced world is somehow detached from truth, whereas I am stating that truth is the whole collective of all things that can have an effect, and quite possibly more.
>Are you stupid?
If I want to be. Right now I don't even need to.
> I made a descriptive, statement, saying that there are a lot of pseuds on this board and it depresses me.
How can it depress you if experience isn't real?
>Which means fuck all.
I'd talk in shapes if I could. Shame about being of the apelike ancestry, and not the cephalopod sort.
>holy shit stop fucking like a pseud/sophist, talking in ambiguities.
You've been talking about this mythical / spooky pseud for a while now. I'm sure you have an objective syntax for them and it isn't merely a subjective expression taken from an idealized organization of a human collective.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:56:20 2018 No.11838945 >>11838933 >because i make no reference to blooms taxonomy, he assumes that I dont know what it is Yikes. My secondhand embarrassment is palpable. A tip--you don't have to keep responding.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 04:20:08 2018 No.11838987

>>11838937
>If someone believes in "falsehood", spook or whatever, and it has an effect on them and others, how does that effect come into being? If one of the integral mechanical parts of a machine isn't real, how can it operate?
sigh, people can believe in spooks and it can still affect (their) reality. People today, enter into a society, or a machine, that has rules(spooks) and by entering into this society they create a reality for themselves to operate by - this does not mean that the society is ACTUALLY real. The society is only real in the sense that the people believe it is real. (Just because I believe in unicorns doesnt actually mean unicorns are real)
The effect comes into being when the person allows the spook to affect them. You believe in private property, a spook I take your rock that you consider yours. The reality(or truth) is that the rock is not in fact yours, it is just a rock. But you have constructed a reality for yourself that dictates, in your mind, that the rock is your property. Thus, when I take your rock I am affecting you (but in truth, you are affecting yourself) by my taking the rock.

>You're saying that the experienced world is somehow detached from truth, whereas I am stating that truth is the whole collective of all things that can have an effect, and quite possibly more.
This all started with
>>the amount of pseuds on this board is depressing.
>Resorting to experience to qualify reality and affect others? Hmm.
Are you making the assumption that by my saying, "the amount of pseuds on this board is depressing," I was making an implicit statement about the nature of experience and its relation to the "truth" - that I believe that our experience of the world is detached from the truth?

>You've been talking about this mythical / spooky pseud for a while now. I'm sure you have an objective syntax for them and it isn't merely a subjective expression taken from an idealized organization of a human collective.
sophistry, give me your definitions of "objective syntax", "subjective expression", and "idealized organization of a human collective"
and dont resort to ad homs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 04:24:17 2018 No.11838996 Not memeing, I'm looking to convert but can't bring myself to believe in god, what do I do /lit/?

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 04:24:45 2018 No.11838998

>>11838945
are you the embodiment of the analytic fedora tipper? Searching for irrelevant mistakes and then pointing them out, believing that they are somehow indicative of an argument?
It's ironic how you use logical fallacies to justify your claims.

You know intellectual dishonesty isnt something to be proud of.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 04:26:22 2018 No.11839002

>>11838987
>sigh, people can believe in spooks and it can still affect (their) reality.
It definitely has a physical effect. In fact, the physical effect follows the belief-intention. Let's say I experience hunger and remember a methodology to end it; I recollect a map (experience) I've made for myself to find all necessary (experience) ingredients (experience) and combine them in order (experience). It will result in me opening a door (a physical change), changing my location and position (a physical change), the location and position of all the ingredients, a whole list of chemical changes. Each and every physical change also affects me, as do the chemical ones. I might encounter social events (physical, economic?) and my plans may even fail. I can even choose to ignore hunger for a multitude of reasons, resulting in those physical conditions changing later or not changing at all.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 04:27:28 2018 No.11839006

>>11838996
This is the problem with this board.

why do you want to convert? Why do you want to believe in a ideology, whose main concept, is something you intuitively don't believe in?

It's like saying, I want to believe that humans and squirrels should have sex, but I dont actually believe that we should.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 04:29:39 2018 No.11839009 >>11839006 Someone I love is a christian and I can't bring myself to split with them just because of religion. I said I'd convert.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 04:31:54 2018 No.11839011

>>11839006
>something you intuitively don't believe in
I don't think that is the case. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/3512686/Children-are-born-believers-in-God-academic-claims.html
Whilst this particular fashion of belief is probably abandoned, the intuition is unlikely to change. In fact, stress and cultural motivations may push one back, as happened in Yugoslavia. It's interesting to see that 4chan has the same effect on a psyche as a brutal civil war.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 04:34:03 2018 No.11839013 >>11838996 Believing in God is the easy part, read Aquinas, Augustine etc. Having faith in Jesus is a bit harder

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 04:38:03 2018 No.11839021

>>11839009
You should probably reevaluate your values.
You're wanting to convert to an ideology that you cannot intuitively believe in for the sake of keeping a relationship is selfish.

Why not let her find someone who genuinely shares the same faith, or talk to her about accepting you as you are. Dishonesty will only serve to create a relationship filled with resentment.

>>11839011
When I speak of intuitions, I'm not saying that it is a belief that someone is born with.
I'm also not saying that our own intuitions are right, because we can and most often are wrong about our intuitions.
However, I am VERY reluctant to believe an article that makes large leaps such as:

>Dr Barrett said there is evidence that even by the age of four, children understand that although some objects are made by humans, the natural world is different. He added that this means children are more likely to believe in creationism rather than evolution, despite what they may be told by parents or teachers.

Kids don't understand how the physics of the world, and thus cannot ascribe an accurate explanation for phenomenon that they arent familiar with. Which is why examination of the world and our beliefs is important for the development of man.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 04:40:20 2018 No.11839027

>>11839021
>Kids don't understand how the physics of the world
Nobody does. QM is weird, but very real.
>and thus cannot ascribe an accurate explanation for phenomenon that they arent familiar with
This is impossible. There's even the uncertainty principle (Heisenberg), which ties physical attributes to what we know of them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 04:40:27 2018 No.11839028 Knuckle-dragging christfucks can go fuck them selves.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 04:41:52 2018 No.11839029 >>11839028 Anger is a memetic entity. Feeding it isn't good for you, despite what it claims.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 04:51:35 2018 No.11839041 >>11839027 We actually do have a definite good understanding of how the physical world works: law of inertia, thermodynamics, etc. Though im not sure what you mean by your second point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 04:59:24 2018 No.11839052 Daily reminder that Christianity is a Jewish psy-op and you all fell for it. Who knew 'dude just believe lmao' was enough to trick billions of people. Those schlomo's really pulled one over on humanity.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 05:19:55 2018 No.11839090

>>11839013
I actually went the other way. I was raised atheist, but became disillusioned with the world around me and decided to check out what Jesus had to say. I figured that if over 3/4 of my nation think that his teachings are worthwhile, then maybe there must be something to it. As an experiment, I made some changes to the way I carry myself and go about my day so that I could try to be more like Jesus's example, and my life improved very much. I ended up going down the rabbit hole and becoming a weird bastard child of Christianity and Mahayana Buddhism (these actually go quite well together).

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 05:35:21 2018 No.11839132 >>11837003 Daily reminder that anyone identifying as another denomination other than Orthodox is some fat la creature degenerate from the US LARPing as a christian

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 05:42:12 2018 No.11839146 >>11839090 But you can only truly choose one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 05:44:12 2018 No.11839156 >>11839146 Not true. Ideological purity is a silly thing. You can pick and mix as long as the beliefs don't conflict.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 05:54:14 2018 No.11839177 >>11839156 >if there is a God of the Andromeda Galaxy it is OK to believe in him and God is OK with that

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 05:55:59 2018 No.11839182 Larpers

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 07:18:22 2018 No.11839357 >>11839090 >Christianity and Mahayana Buddhism All sects of Buddhism explicitly deny a monotheistic creator God and if you had done so much as even read the Wikipedia article on Buddhism you would know this. Stop LARPing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 07:29:57 2018 No.11839389 >>11838839 Cringe

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 08:02:23 2018 No.11839465
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>>11837003
>why is the most literate board the most religious and christian
The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 08:23:27 2018 No.11839514 >>11839156 Hinduism, Christianity and Taoism are the only three non degenerate belief systems.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 08:34:35 2018 No.11839548 >>11837626 Neither are letters and numbers. Yet they allow us to harness the universe. Just because God is not measurable doesnt make him not exist. t. prefers zero cosmic accountablility for his own conscious evil and petty spirit

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 08:37:58 2018 No.11839558

>>11838733
The video isn't even just saying he was put on a pedestal. It was claiming that his teachings were fundamentally misunderstood by everyone who ever made a record of them, and that no fuss was ever made about the differences, and that no one saw what he actually meant for centuries. His points about guilt are also rather misrepresentative of Christianity- the argument that we can't possibly be perfect in that way fails, because each sin requires a choice to do wrong. Penance for such is only rational. And your entire atheistic spiel about control fails to agree with the motivations of a huge portion of Christian religious leaders. Yes, it was largely a reaction, but when part of his video completely misrepresents what is taught and claims that this is somehow at odds with the philosophers, he loses a lot of credit. Was there something I missed about his argument other than the straw man attack on the Christian doctrine of sin, guilt, and penance?
>>11838852
You can generally either have good faith (ironic, isn't it?) in someone you're arguing with, or rephrase his argument yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 08:39:20 2018 No.11839563 >>11837647 You seem very sure. Care to share why?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 09:03:56 2018 No.11839622 >>11839548 >t. prefers zero cosmic accountablility for his own conscious evil and petty spirit Don't we all?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 09:51:01 2018 No.11839796 >>11837003 A dedicated but small group of frequent shitposters who graduated from their edgy athiest phase into an even cringier post-unironic Christian aesthetist phase.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 10:40:31 2018 No.11839928 >>11837094 >becoming a Catholic after reading some entry level affirmation-of-faith books but rejecting the sitting Pope because he’s progressive. lmfao i should hang out here more t big time pol catholic

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 10:53:21 2018 No.11839960

>>11839465
Why is everyone here so quick to stereotype atheists as Redditors and people obsessed with pop-sci? I've been around plenty of atheists and most of them reject rigid empiricism and essentialism. It seems like everyone on here can only refute retard atheist strawmen circa 2011.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 10:56:08 2018 No.11839965 >>11837003 Because religions are often based on books

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 11:12:24 2018 No.11840024 >>11839177 to be fair Buddhism doesn't have god

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 11:31:16 2018 No.11840084

>>11839558
Are you saying that there is a strawman because a lady in the video accuses him of saying its a strawman?
Are you saying it is inconceivable for there to be a fundamental misinterpretation of the teachings of Jesus? That a man who made no writings himself, and whose teachings are based upon the interpretations of other men and NOT jesus himself could not be wrong?

Are you saying my "atheistic" spiel (and its not even atheistic) falls a part because it disagrees with the apparent motivations of church leaders? Can you tell me the motivations of church leaders? I am quite ignorant of them.

And how exactly is his point of guilt misrepresentative? I know you mention that to sin you make the choice to do wrong, but what exactly does it mean to sin?

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 11:53:37 2018 No.11840191

>>11839960
Look at the posters in this thread and tell me their arguments are any more sophisticated than that. I'm happy to respond to any criticism, but when atheists continually offer up the same nonsense, I'm not going to put in any more work than I need to

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 12:01:17 2018 No.11840222

Christians are misguided. I went to Catholic schools for the first 18 years of my life and not a single person there actually truly believed anything they were saying. You could hear it in their voices they knew their doctrines and theology were flawed.

Christ's teachings were corrupted by (((Paul))) from whom all mainstream Christian churches today descend. Islam is the full realization of faith, and is what any serious man of God should devote himself to today in the West. Christianity is done for, it made a deal with the secular state that ensures this.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 12:19:35 2018 No.11840297

>>11840084
>>11840084
I'm saying it's a strawman because the version of the theology of sin and penance expressed and criticized in the video are radically misinterpreted from what any Christians believing in a sacrament of penance would agree with.
I'm not saying the teachings as we have them can't have been misinterpreted, but I am saying that supposing that all the disciples are each completely mistaken in the same respects without argument between each other is ludicrous. The idea that Jesus was teaching that "all people are as gods" and his disciples misinterpreted that should get him laughed at, not applauded.
Didn't mean to imply you were an atheist, just that the standard "catholic guilt" thing gets repeated enough to call a spiel. I'm saying that the view of moral nature of humanity it accompanies misunderstands the calling of Christianity.
A Christian view would be more that we consciously choose to do evil (this is sin). A conscious evil must be atoned for. We are called to perfection, but in our failings, when we seek forgiveness, it is given freely. The penance itself is a way of realigning our selves to the good. But focusing on the guilt of it is odd, and something I've not seen outside criticisms of Christianity, as guilt would just be the realization that one has brought harm to themself, another, or the good.

>>11840222
>I could tell from their voices
Yeah, I'm not going to trust the teenager to interpret from tone of voice that no one is sincere. Is taking people at their word so hard?
The pauline epistles do not present a radically different Christianity from the rest of the New Testament. Nor is it feasible that Jesus was just another prophet of Islam. The theological differences, you might disagree on, but at least accept the teachings of Christianity are Christ's.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 12:42:30 2018 No.11840414 >>11837003 It wasn't 4-5 years ago. The website's population in general has become more Christian. Rural America is getting more urbanized it seems like.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 13:19:50 2018 No.11840611 >>11837003 true e/lit/ism is daoist tho

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 16:43:04 2018 No.11841578 >>11838998 Dang it, you're being one intellectually dishonest little doggy

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 16:46:20 2018 No.11841590 >>11840611 >east-anything lurk more summerfriend

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 16:53:12 2018 No.11841622

>>11840222
>the masses don't have any reasons of substance for anything they believe
Wow, profound.
>christians are misguided
>paul corrupted christianity
>Islam is the "full realization of faith"
Amazing how many unsubstantiated claims you profess and presumably believe in. I don't have a fraction of the faith you do.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 21:14:43 2018 No.11842894

-More likely to be experienced with religious literature (and the fact that as a young ideology/philosophy atheism has yet to produce much of this)
-A heavy contrarian sentiment
-The fact that /lit/ has a slightly older userbase compared to other boards as well as Christianity being the culturally comfortable religious belief (ie were 4chan predominantly middle eastern you would be asking why is /lit/ so shia ect)
-This is a bit of a guess but since creating a humanities board the split has taken away some of the people more versed in comparative religion and religious history.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 21:38:07 2018 No.11843014

>>11838307
Yea, the Bible (Christian doctrine) hits the nail on the head concerning its account of the human heart (Jeremiah 17:9, Romans 7:17-25) and the woeful condition of the world (being that there are evil forces at work beyond the mere machinations of men - Ephesians 6:12).

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 21:43:23 2018 No.11843033 >>11837003 The Christians are just very loud.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 21:46:56 2018 No.11843045 /lit/ is interested in philosophy and Christianity offers an internally consistent philosophy

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 22:00:54 2018 No.11843100 >>11838608 He says, with faith that his ability to reason about such things -- declaring faith to be an obstruction -- is sound, fair and sensible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 22:09:01 2018 No.11843137 >>11838569

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 22:29:16 2018 No.11843214

>>11838996
>I'm looking to convert
You are already barking up the wrong tree. Christianity is not about doctrine - it is about Christ. To speak of a desire to convert suggests to me that you think of Christianity as any other man-made religion: a basket of beliefs and philosophies that may or may not ease your living or provide some metaphysical comfort.
Rather, what you should seek is a desire to know Christ. Or put more plainly, you should seek him, for everything else flows from this. It may help to know a little about the one you should seek... Most importantly, read the gospels to learn (for yourself) about what Jesus did for you and why, in the hope that you will be brought closer to believing. Failing that, you have 2 millenia of debate and exposition on the matter - that's putting it mildly. If truly desire to believe in God and to know Christ, you should commune with Christians. Visit a church, a Christian-union or anything else to see God manifest in his people.

Remember, once your ready, that repentance is not some little silly, 'I'm sorry.' Repentance is not simply a fear of God. Repentance is not a monk fasting and afflicting his body in a monastery. Repentance is not remorse because of sin's consequences. Repentance is not penance performed before the pope as you kiss his toe... Repentance is not being sorry for what I've done wrong. It is not confessing one's sins to a priest. It is not just conviction of sin. It is not the signing of a pledge of abstinence. Repentance is that thing when you come before God and see yourself as you are, and see Him as he is, and say with Isaiah 'Woe is me, for I am unclean!'.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 23:08:48 2018 No.11843366

>>11839156
>Ideological purity is a silly thing
It's silly, you say, so you you pick and mix beliefs which you believe to be true from a range of ideologies. The marrying of these beliefs into one forms a new ideology. The fact that you chose some beliefs and excluded others to form your ideology says something about its exclusivity, or purity, which you maintain is a silly thing.

>as long as the beliefs don't conflict.
Regarding pick-and-mixing from/into Christianity: Jesus himself claimed that if he was right, then all other beliefs must be wrong (John 14:6). So right there, you have Christianity separated from the rest by virtue of its own existence. It demands that it be either accepted wholly or rejected in totality. And all of it is wrapped up in the identity of Jesus Christ: was he God, or was he not?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 23:27:04 2018 No.11843455 >>11838228 It just feels right. Seriously, I can't really explain it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 26 00:49:31 2018 No.11843802 File: 42 KB, 260x285, 1515956784279.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11842894 >the fact that as a young ideology/philosophy atheism has yet to produce much of this

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 26 00:55:04 2018 No.11843813 >>11842894 Atheist literature pretty much peaked at the Marquis de Sade and has become more limp with every passing year as people try to be "nice" while simultaneously believing in nothing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 26 01:38:27 2018 No.11843988 >>11841590 >/a/ anime

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 26 01:44:13 2018 No.11843999 >>11843813 literature pretty much peaked last millenium tho

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 26 01:45:15 2018 No.11844003 >>11843455 You just sound dumb. Seriously, I can't really explain it.

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