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Arguments against solipsism ?

>> No.11829727

The argument from insignificance. If I'm the actual pivot around the universe swings, why aren't I being treated like a god-emperor by the world and having my ass kissed at every opportunity? Why do I live in this little green and blue and white pellet in a vast cosmic expanse? Why is everything so diminutive and out of proportion to my godlike importance?

It all falls apart into absurdity the more you push it.

>> No.11829831

unhelpful?

>> No.11829848

>>11829727
>>11829831
Says the illusion lol

>> No.11830042

>>11829715
>Stirner
>solipsism
Stirner was a Hegelian, and to answer your question, I believe intersubjectivity invalidates solipsism.
I don't think you can make sense of yourself if the other doesn't exist, in fact the very language your formulate to express your thoughts is interpersonal and depends on others for it to have any meaning.

>> No.11830048

>>11829715
we are simulated across infinite realities where each individual is the main character of that particular reality, thank the AI

>> No.11830055

>>11830042
>is impossible for me therefore is impossible for you
You are implying people exist thanks to mirrors, right now you exist only to disagree with me.

>> No.11830081

>>11829727
doesn't understand solipsism
>>11830042
what intersubjectivity?

>> No.11830085

>>11830055
anon, if you were born in a forest and left alone, assuming you somehow "survived", you wouldn't even have any coherent thoughts, let alone know what solipsism means.
You need the other to recognize yourself as a thinking subject, "solipsism" is tea pot argument tier unfalsifiability, and is embarrassingly not even as strong as the latter.

>> No.11830097

To advocate sollipsism you need to be able to think.
To be able to think you need to be able to exist.
To be able to exist you need to be manufactured.
To be manufactured you need to be made by an outside world.
Therefor thinking about sollipsism is a perfomative contradiction.

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11830105

>>11830085
>>11830097
>this world
>not creation of mine

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>>11829715
solipsism is squatting in the house of being

>> No.11830125

>>11830105
We percieve a world.
To be able to experience the world you need to be able to percieve.
To be able to percieve you need to be able to percieve something.
Alas, something exist beyond the self as else it would just be introspection.

>> No.11830133

>>11830125
Alas you are wrong since you are implying "your" worldview is correct.

>> No.11830154

>>11830133
Just ignore the argument of mine that your post responded to as it was rather dumb.

>> No.11830164

>>11830154
I'm actually ignoring every single post as they don't exist.

>> No.11830166

>>11830164
I can respect that anon

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>blind people perception of world limited
>ordinary human perception of world not as limited
>human beings could be blind of other perceptive fields
>there could be something close to us we are not yet aware of

>> No.11830257

>>11829715
There actually isn't one. As Wittgenstein rightly points out, what the solipsist means is quite correct. My personal horizon is preeminent, as it is mine and not yours, and therefore it is alone. It has no "neighbors".

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>>11829715
none

>> No.11830260

>>11830081
You're a fool. The greatest argument against solipsism is that the world behaves as though it has an independent reality from my representation of it.

If the world is to be likened to my dream, it should have more malleable than it is strictly speaking. It should display the features of a dream, the irregularity, the mushiness, the lack of governing laws.

The laws of the universe are not the laws of my mind, because the laws of my mind are not sufficient to describe phenomena outside the psychological sphere.

The world does not conform to the conditions I place upon it but follows its own extrinsic logic.

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>>11829715
Trying moving out of the oral stage.

>> No.11830366

>>11830340
>having a mother

>> No.11830370

>>11830260
>behaves as though

But so would a solipsistic illusion

>> No.11830490

>>11830260
>If the world is to be likened to my dream, it should have more malleable than it is strictly speaking. It should display the features of a dream, the irregularity, the mushiness, the lack of governing laws.
How often do you notice these inconsistencies in your dream? A psychitzophrenic man also feels his delusions are perfectly consistent

>> No.11830509

>>11829715
Every human language implies a community of subjects for its creation and its use, yet I only know the few languages I've been taught or another few that I may teach myself.

>> No.11832060

>>11830509
Wrong.