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[Anonymous No.11818524]

Let me explain why I'd recommend this book to everyone: Plato is stupid.

Seriously.

And it's important that you all understand that Western society is based on the fallacy-ridden ramblings of an idiot. Read this, understand that he is not joking, and understand that Plato is well and truly fucked in the head.

Every single one of his works goes like this:

SOCRATES: "Hello, I will now prove this theory!"
STRAWMAN: "Surely you are wrong!"
SOCRATES: "Nonsense. Listen, Strawman: can we agree to the following wildly presumptive statement that is at the core of my argument?" {Insert wildly presumptive statement here— this time, it's "There is such a thing as Perfect Justice" and "There is such a thing as Perfect Beauty", among others.}
STRAWMAN: "Yes, of course, that is obvious."
SOCRATES: "Good! Now that we have conveniently skipped over all of the logically-necessary debate, because my off-the-wall crazy ideas surely wouldn't stand up to any real scrutiny, let me tell you an intolerably long hypothetical story."
{Insert intolerably long hypothetical story.}
STRAWMAN: "My God, Socrates! You have completely won me over! That is brilliant! Your woefully simplistic theories should become the basis for future Western civilization! That would be great!"
SOCRATES: "Ha ha! My simple rhetorical device has duped them all! I will now go celebrate by drinking hemlock and scoring a cameo in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure!"

The moral of the story is: Plato is stupid.

[Anonymous No.11818563]

>>11818524
You're right, everything pre-Christianity is very shallow and juvenile. See all of Chinese and Japanese 'literature', for example.

[Anonymous No.11818587]

>>11818524
Would you rather The Republic was another 200 pages of monotonous dialogue for the sake of pedants? It's hard enough to read as is.

[Anonymous No.11818597]

>>11818524
truly a stupendous argument that you've constructed here

[Anonymous No.11818599]

I wonder if the maker of these threads are the same person. Anyway congratulations on failing the litmus test of philosophy if serious.

[Anonymous No.11818605]

I don't think that was Plato you were reading, or that you've read every single one of his works.

>Every single one of his works goes like this:

Explain how the Euthyphro follows this format explicitly. Let's start with this one, since it's short and to the point.

[Anonymous No.11819699]

>>11818599
they're top-rated goodreads reviews

[Anonymous No.11819709]

Plato's "Parmenides" is a dialogue that ends with Socrates in defeat.

[Anonymous No.11819723]

Plato's Republic is a parody, it was the 1984 of his time. He was a sophist and the equivalent of a post-post-ironic shitposter

[Anonymous No.11819725]

>>11819723
I think we underestimate the extent to which all philosophy in the past, as many occult and not so occult philosophers, including the hoary Leo Strauss, reveal, was, and perhaps still is, hidden behind a veil of secrecy. The truth is not for the uninitiated. It is too hard to stomach, therefore bread and circuses. The to ti en eina of Plato was preceded by the question of being, natural being, not the divine being, or the logos, and Heraclitus' logos was not reason. We philosophers have always been thoroughgoing materialists. Plato's Republic was meant as fodder for the citizens, not for the intellectuals who always knew better than to follow the vita activa when the vita contemplativa beckoned. The allegory of the cave is where the tares and wheat are sifted, those immersed in the spectacle and those who escape its dappled light for the truth where a single fire of the mind burns brightly. Continental philosophy is a sorry substitute for this pure skeptical reason. Ontology is a dirty word. Deleuze is the biggest charlatan of all.

[Anonymous No.11819728]

I’m sad no one realized it’s bait

[Anonymous No.11819742]

>>11818524
Plato was like Ricky Gervais in the Invention of Lying.

[Anonymous No.11819748]

>>11819725

So don't take anything Plato wrote seriously at all and just derive new-agey morals from it? Whats the point of reading him then? I agree with you that Heraclitus logos is not reason and Plato was not a dualist, but he had a very clear vision of what his philosophical project was.

[Anonymous No.11819750]

>>11818605
>has only just begun Plato: Complete Works

By Zeus! Explain your use of "or", why do you choose page 1 dialogue?

[Anonymous No.11819793]

>>11819748
the beauty of Platonic Idealism which is analogous to Hindu Idealism which are the most noble of all the faiths any human has ever aspired to hold is perfected in the disgusting ressentiment filled scheming cave mutterer screeds of the desert people and their domesticated European adherents

Which is embodied and perfected in the Abrahamic faith so.. there goes that theory.

The best faith is something Neoplatonic, like Neoplatonic Islam. the beauty of Platonic Idealism which is analogous to Hindu Idealism which are the most noble of all the faiths any human has ever aspired to hold is perfected in the disgusting ressentiment filled scheming cave mutterer screeds of the desert people and their domesticated European adherents

We exist in the now, this is the immanentization of form. Nothing before or after, this is a process in itself.

Philosophy- the science of difference and enumeration- is a disease and we can look at the “progress” of philosophy as a viral contagion. As we all know, Philosophy begins in earnest with Plato. The central concern of the dialogues (themselves a capture mechanism whereby the “oral” tradition is contained within what would begin the expansion/contagion of the first fully standardized, internal, highly abstract, economical, phonemic/atomistic representational exogrammic model) is “what is x in and of itself?”.

This archetypal question is advanced with much rigor and is indeed the archetypal question. This question gives rise to what I call “the problem of meaning”. Meaning is a new category arising in ancient thought and meaning itself arises with its necessary (ananke) organ- the soul. This archetypal questioning can be seen as “symptomatic” of exposure to something, thus it is a problem to be solved not by advancing the cause of philosophy but by seeking a cure. The Pharmakos, Logos and the Savior are all attempts at various times answers stages to contain and or cure philosophy. As a side note, Hegel is the AIDS of philosophy. The arising of what is x for itself is the “birth of the problem of meaning”.

Debord was a voyeurs voyeur and thus a radically incomplete thinker. Trapped within the completion phase of Cartesian/Newtonian/materialist voyeurism, Debord was unable to see the sorcerous aspect of his own compulsions. In other words he didn’t go far enough, deep enough, surreal enough in his contemplations.

There is a reason why the logos and light and vision and linear time and Utopianism and industrialism and Cartesianism and voyeurism reign supreme in the west.

The pre-Socratics, the Pythagoreans, were the true 'seers'

[Anonymous No.11819842]

>>11819725
I partly agree, but Plato's writings were for the "elites", and not necessarily for the "citizens" in any overly broad sense. Their aim is to moderate them and to teach them to tolerate philosophers. Unless you mean citizen in the restricted sense, i.e. the few voters of Athens who made up the democracy's elites.

>>11819748
He may have, but I don't think we do, often enough. That Plato wrote fictive dialogues (fictive, because obviously not historical; the historic references in the Gorgias become increasingly anachronistic to when Gorgias actually visited Athens, and the Menexenus's references happen after Socrates died; there's also the matter of Plato attributing the Theaetetus to another author) wherein he's not a character or speaker himself makes it harder to determine what his own views are, and it's hard to even take the easier path of ascribing his views to those Socrates expresses, when Socrates was known for his irony, i.e. dissembling.

One might have to look much more carefully to see what's going on.

[Anonymous No.11819854]

>>11819793
we are in hell

[Anonymous No.11819868]

>>11819793
What Islamic Neoplatonists? Surely not Al-Farabi, who buried the ideas/forms in his discussion of the dialogues?

[Anonymous No.11819878]

i don't think socrates was real, it was plato playing with hyperstition

[Anonymous No.11820154]

>>11818605
Or Meno, or Charmides, or Symposium, or Gorgias, or...

[Anonymous No.11820203]

>>11819793
that "2" box is four times the size of a "1" box

[Anonymous No.11820210]

>>11820203
Expect to understand neoplatonics, with the Ptolemaic system.(geocentric) Astrology etc. Not with the Jewish system which is the misconception of today's orthodox Christianity. So a more non "desert" knowledge can achieved, and Paganism. For example Proclus the diadochus...

[Anonymous No.11820220]

>>11820210
Swing and a miss...

[Anonymous No.11820246]

>>11820210
We must not assume mathematical truths are not about numbers and sets and triangles and the like—in fact, they are not "about" anything at all.

If you're a platonist, we can take talking about math - we discover had any contact came up with mathematical objects such as numbers, or other easy to find answers to explain how is a different question) instead of minimal ontology possible - platonism (or nominalism typical for abstract objects), and if you're a platonist commits you to the spatiotemporal realism about mathematical platonism (or nominalism about mathematics is simply a powerful explanatory story story. Once we can take talking about mathematical Realism about mathematical nominalism would comes rather truths, existence for abstract came up with mathematical objects), and if you're a platonism (or platonist, we can take talking about mathematical nominalism typically needs to find answers to all those advantages that help?ow it is that platonism typicall mathematical objects), and if you're a platonist, we can take talking about mathematical nominalism about mathematical formulas, or some mathematical anti-realism has. This is not a whole set of us human beings as well as independeavour, though how is a different cultures who never it (constructionship with the same concepts. It also becomes rather easy to find answers to explanatory story. Once we assume that mathematics is simply a platonism about mathematics is simply a powerful explanatory story. Once we assume that mather easy to explain how it is simply a powerful explanatory story. Once we assume that mathematical Realism (or platonism commits you to the exist independently of us human beings as well as independently of us human beings as well as independently of us human beings as well as independently of us human beings as well as independently of us human beings as well as independent of minimal ontology possible - platonism (or platonism has. This is not a whole set of problems).

[Anonymous No.11820267]

it's fairly obvious philosophy got nowhere because the tools of inquiry (words) were not fit to task. an introduction into modern mathematics reveals numbers and symbols have approached the limits of useful application. beyond trial and error with the ability to store previous results and therefore avoid repeating mistakes, the world has very little progress at it's core.

>fire (weak force- decay), earth (gravity- attraction), air (electromagnetism- energy), water (strong force- binding), aether (dark- unknown).


the days of the week have been cemented in stone since hellenism/zoroastrianism.

>monday (lundi, moon day)
>tuesday (mardi, mars, tyr's day)
>wednesday (mercredi, mercury, wodin's day)
>thursday (jeudi, jupiter, thor's day)
>friday (vendredi, venus, frey's day)
>saturday (samedi, saturn, shabbat)
>sunday (dimanche, god, sun's day)

so tell me again how the majority of the anglo/latin world aren't pagans worshiping the sun, moon and stars?

[Anonymous No.11820281]

Who was the guy that said Pythagoras and the presocratics had Metaphysics right? That guy was pretty smart.

[Anonymous No.11820296]

>>11820281
Same as
>>11819793

[Anonymous No.11820318]

>>11819793
the pythagoreans played identity politics with numbers. im not sure if you want to pin your hat on modern reinterpretations of fragmets of pre-socratic texts (which are a failed attempt at academics to rescue the classics) or insane mathematicians who couldn't handle measurement, the number zero or basic subtraction.

[Anonymous No.11820319]

>>11819793
philosophy begins with Difference. You can’t have philosophy without that strict demarcation. There isn’t a system as such if that demarcation until plato.

[Anonymous No.11820930]

>>11819793
Language is the immanentization of form.

Pythagoreanism is actually a kind of either devaluing or elucidation of Primally old shamanic wisdom expressed fractally in almost cargo cult like fashion (compared to its unbroken form) in ancient Egyptian and ANE cultures and cosmologies etc.

Thus it follows that Platonism is a degenerate and secular form of pythagorianism and neoplatonism is a partial affirmation if not return toward the reconciliation of the profoundly illogical aspects of "philosophy". The commentary tradition of neo pythagorean, middle platonist and of the "commentators" are contrary to popular belief, not banal rote missives rather invocations of punctuated equilibrium born of repitition. This repitition guarantees to prove unequivocally that univocal agreement is practically impossible.

There is an inherent geography and corporeality to language, at it's limits (this limit is paradox/Demi-god) and when these limits are stroked and fluffed into affirmed arousal they become paradoxes which in turn become vaginas which are liminal zones, thresholds and portals in the mind of the human.

Later Kant comes around with Empiricism, and this leads to the retroactive destruction and entrapment of human civilization in a terrible positive feedback situation.

[Anonymous No.11820952]

>>11820930
capital is sentient

[Anonymous No.11820957]

You obviously don’t have the mental capacity to grasp how an analogy works

[Anonymous No.11820969]

Capgras syndrome is truth

[Anonymous No.11820974]

Imagine thinking you’re smart because u don’t know how to read Plato

[Anonymous No.11820976]

>>11820969
Like going through a teleporter, one's self is not a fixed definition. This is a process-in becoming, you were dead before and after the immanent. Your brain is dust in the wind.

[Anonymous No.11820980]

>>11819793
0 is a false number.

[Anonymous No.11821015]

He has posted it once more
The absolute mad man
Yes
YES
The shitpost is out

[Anonymous No.11821027]

>>11818524
>he calls general disagreement "strawman" though there is no argument or counterargument present
You have to be 18 to be on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.11821039]

Redpill: Both the Occident and the Orient have everything wrong

[Anonymous No.11821269]

>>11819793
>>11820210
>>11820246
>>11820267
>>11820318
>>11820319
>>11820930
What the fuck you guys

[Anonymous No.11821314]

>>11820930
>Language is the immanentization of form

[Anonymous No.11821322]

>>11820952
>>11821314
Are we being brainwashed

[Anonymous No.11821336]

>>11818524
gorgias is the goat dialogue

[Anonymous No.11821463]

Serious replys in a bait thread. Whoa guys keep it cool.

[Anonymous No.11821489]

>>11821269
the rationalists are at it again

[Anonymous No.11821553]

>>11820930
The real mystery is the vertiginous sensation then the market now those programming the internet the noosphere what has unconsciously been sudden and at the vertiginous sensations essentially on grammar and selects to us on a “Pythagorean” mode. This mode we call logic and symbol relation level event is the alphabet. For Girard the scapegoat. For me it is so pursuing philosophy of architecture essentially on grammar excels and symbol relation. We have literally in a “declarative statement”. Appears to be of architecture essentially agree in the made and rendered and rendered and instanteous yet those are broughout the “Pythagorean” mode. This mode we call logic and predication in the cosmos. For me it is the statement”. Stitutions become volatile ubiquitous and instantaneously. We spend 2500 years to be of divine creation. we have literally agree in the statements can be made and self selects to us on a churning sea of the vertiginary and over again the war and predication in various institutions volatile ubiquitous and information. We have literally based relation of architecture essentially based relations via software predication and meaningful and over and symbol, we now enjoy image with symbol a mere what has been suddeness, severity and totalising it is the “declarative statement”. For Mcluhan it is the hidden and has been suddeness, severity and infinite, their calculations and symbols binary event is the “declarative standardization and so on a churning sea of symbol a mere what has been called an extinction level event by John David Ebert. I think Mcluhan it is the vertiginous sensation level event by john David Ebert. I think Deleuze would cryptically agree in the scapegoat. For Plato it is the alphabet. For Deleuze it is the internet that now those are brought to the breath in the market now enjoy image based our undered and decided upon instantaneous yet the vertiginous sensation and over and statements can be made and predications essentially agree in the made and rendered and has been called an extinction level event by John David Ebert. I this over and over and totalising it appears to the capturing of the image based our underlying philosophy of architecture essentially based our underlying philosophy of architecture essentially agree in the cosmos. For Mcluhan it is the shift has been suddeness, severity and totality of the symbol religion the market now bureaucracy and at the origin.

[Anonymous No.11821605]

>>11821553
Plato's Mind (the One, the Self) is the cause agent, the singular cybernetic control point, of all perception, thinking and doing in the universe, where control is top down from Mind

Plato's Mind is timeless and spaceless, and being the only Reality, time and space are not ultimately real, but are artificial constructions.
Since Mind is mental, not physical, all control and causation is mental, not physical, and top down, since Mind is the singular (cybernetic) control point at the top.
Thus Mind plays the brain like a violin, not the reverse.
Man's mind (small m) is a passive mental subset, or monad, of Mind and under its control.
This monad (our mind) is the mental correspondent of the brain and controls it. Our mind plays our brain like a violin.
Thinking is the intentional action of Mind (and thus mind) on mental entities such as ideas, manipulating and transforming them intentionally (through will).
Qualia are simply sensory experiences, the conversion by Mind of sensory nerve signals into mental sensory experiences in a fashion similar to the conversion of physical sensory nerve signals into mental images
AQs Dennett has explained, In materialist thinking, there is no end to homunculi viewing the universe through a chain of homunculi. Leibniz terminates this infinite regress by making the last viewer the Self , which is at a higher level and suitably equipped.
Perception occurs as Mind converts physical sensory signals in the brain into mental experiences in one's mind.
These experiences can be made conscious (are made aware) by reperceiving or thinking them. This is called apperception by Leibniz. Thus consciousness is apperception.

[Anonymous No.11821663]

>>11821489
Oh no, not this retard again

[Anonymous No.11821668]

OP is either only pretending to be stupid or is retarded

[Anonymous No.11821669]

>>11821463
It’s the designated Plato thread. We’ve always got a Plato thread rolling

[Anonymous No.11821887]

>>11819793
Plato's Mind (the One, the Self) is the cause agent, the singular cybernetic control point, of all perception, thinking and doing in the universe, where control is top down from Mind

Plato's Mind is timeless and spaceless, and being the only Reality, time and space are not ultimately real, but are artificial constructions.
Since Mind is mental, not physical, all control and causation is mental, not physical, and top down, since Mind is the singular (cybernetic) control point at the top.
Thus Mind plays the brain like a violin, not the reverse.
Man's mind (small m) is a passive mental subset, or monad, of Mind and under its control.
This monad (our mind) is the mental correspondent of the brain and controls it. Our mind plays our brain like a violin.
Thinking is the intentional action of Mind (and thus mind) on mental entities such as ideas, manipulating and transforming them intentionally (through will).

Qualia are simply sensory experiences, the conversion by Mind of sensory nerve signals into mental sensory experiences in a fashion similar to the conversion of physical sensory nerve signals into mental images
AQs Dennett has explained, In materialist thinking, there is no end to homunculi viewing the universe through a chain of homunculi. Leibniz terminates this infinite regress by making the last viewer the Self , which is at a higher level and suitably equipped.
Perception occurs as Mind converts physical sensory signals in the brain into mental experiences in one's mind.
These experiences can be made conscious (are made aware) by reperceiving or thinking them. This is called apperception by Leibniz. Thus consciousness is apperception.

[Anonymous No.11821896]

STOP LIKING PLATO

[Anonymous No.11821918]

>>11819793
>the beauty of Platonic Idealism which is analogous to Hindu Idealism
Plato wasn't nihilistic like you poomen.

[Anonymous No.11821950]

>>11821887
You're gonna need to start citing some shit

[Anonymous No.11822063]

>>11821950
Where do you think we are?

[Anonymous No.11822072]

>>11819793
What the fuck?

[Anonymous No.11823351]

i love plato

[Anonymous No.11823383]

based gnosisposter itt

[Anonymous No.11823394]

>>11818524
No one takes him that seriously, I think in political philosophy everyone goes into the direction of realism and Machiavelli now.

[Anonymous No.11823407]

For those that like Plato and The Republic in particular, cite some example or argument that you strongly agree with and let's have some Socratic dialogue on why it's wrong.

[Anonymous No.11823428]

>>11820267
Internet, running water, and cars sounds like progress

>the days of the week have been cemented in stone since hellenism/zoroastrianism.
Beautiful

Gilgamesh = Gemini into Taurus
Moses = Aires
Jesus = Pisces (the current age?)
Me = Aquarius (The New Age)

[Anonymous No.11823440]

>>11823407
Nature is hierarchical and the state should reflect that.

[Anonymous No.11823443]

>>11823440
I can't refute this.

[Anonymous No.11823448]

>>11823440
it's rhizomatic

[Anonymous No.11823454]

>>11823448
Arboreality just is knowledge of the rhizome.

[Anonymous No.11823464]

>>11823440
Post another.

[Anonymous No.11823493]

>>11823464
Ruling class should play the role analogous to the intellect's in the body.

[Anonymous No.11823634]

>>11823493
If the ruling class needs to be held together by any kind of caste then they're unfit to rule

[Anonymous No.11823637]

>>11818524
>And it's important that you all understand that Western society is based on the fallacy-ridden ramblings of an idiot.
Good then that western society is not based on Plato.

[Anonymous No.11823638]

I unironically agree with the statement that Plato is a brainlet.

You can start modern philoosophy at Descartes, Kant, Hegel or Wittgenstein. They're all fantastic starting points and much better than Plato at this entire thinking thing.

[Anonymous No.11823677]

>>11823634
No, they're just what should rule in a universe defined by the interdependency of parts. Might as well say the mind shouldn't rule because it needs food.

[Anonymous No.11823694]

>>11823677
What should rule, will rule. A caste systems leads to a weak ruling class, leads to an overthrow or the dissolution of an empire.

Nature is competitive. A caste system is not.

[Anonymous No.11823704]

>>11823694
I agree, this is why we need to make nations corporations. Shareholder power is better choice than any other alternative.

[Anonymous No.11823743]

>>11823704
In a democratic, taxpaying society the citizens are shareholders.

[Anonymous No.11823748]

>>11823694
>What should rule, will rule.

No. This is just the law of the cave.

[Anonymous No.11823778]

While Diogenes thus spoke, many stood about and listened to his words with great pleasure. Then, possibly with this thought of Heracles in his mind, he ceased speaking and, squatting on the ground, performed an indecent act, whereat the crowd straightway scorned him and called him crazy, and again the sophists raised their din, like frogs in a pond when they do not see the water-snake.

[Anonymous No.11823786]

>>11823638
>I unironically agree with the statement that Plato is a brainlet.

t. brainlet

[Anonymous No.11823816]

>>11823748
Well we're stuck in this cave. Act accordingly

[Anonymous No.11823833]

My shitpostings are the shadow figures on the walls

[Anonymous No.11823978]

>>11823816
wow exactly what someone stuck in the cave would say makes ya think

you are a metaphysical bucket crab

[Anonymous No.11823992]

>>11818524
>Actually reading Goodreads reviews

[Anonymous No.11824006]

>>11823978
And you're basing your truth on ambiguous fairy tales.

[Anonymous No.11824013]

>>11824006
take a seat cavecuck

[Anonymous No.11824182]

>>11824013
Are you the rhizomatic guy?
>things just are bro, there's no real point and everything is perfect in its relative chaos
That's such a feminine characteristic. Christian morality has cuckholded you.

[Anonymous No.11824215]

>>11823694
>Nature is competitive
Even environments like Africa’s wilderness is peaceful 90% of the time, apparently none of you go outside, nature is frequently very peaceful.

I unironically don’t like this meme or where it came from

[Anonymous No.11824300]

>>11823743
lol the fuck they are not.
you can vote in a society and not pay taxes and while being net negative (like politicians who get paid from tax monies)
>>11824215
t. have no idea about population replacements that have occurred in Africa in the past 300,000 years

[Anonymous No.11824446]

>>11824215
>nature is frequently very peaceful.
Imagine believing this.
Every forest has a perpetual war between trees. Even the blades of grass we don't take effort to distinguish are competing with each other.

[Anonymous No.11824466]

>>11824446
It's just some dumb fucking humanist ignorant of biology. I swear social sciences create anti-scientific retards.

[Anonymous No.11824572]

>>11824466
There is a Rousseau-lite school like this, but many in the social sciences are still under an at least unconscious layer of Marxism which does the opposite and invent fake struggles in the few areas of the universe where competition tuns to mutual gain.

[Anonymous No.11824603]

>>11824446
Imagine actually believing Gods earth is a living hellscape.

[Anonymous No.11824630]

>>11824446
de maistre was so fucking based. my favourite of his essays is the one defending the Spanish inquisition

[Anonymous No.11824693]

>>11824300
Still, every citizen is a shareholder and government is meant as a coalition of the people.

But this doesn't reach its potential in a society largely asleep where government is really detached from the people and extremely corrupt

>>11824446
That pic is anthropomorphizing, but this

>>11824466
The ground that a plant overtakes is antithetical to the ground overtaken. The nutrients are taken from the soil by what can be called force.

It isn't that nature is chaotic, it's that nature has laws; these laws benefit some things and punish others.
Man has the ability to use these laws to his advantage or ignore them to his detriment

>>11824603
This is really what we're getting at.
>Christian morality has cuckolded you
You're anthropomorphizing nature and romanticizing it to fit in with your laziness.

[Anonymous No.11824694]

>>11824603
You have little imagination if you don't think hell is much worse than this. You also have a perverted worldview if you think this natural violence is not a good thing.

[Anonymous No.11824712]

>>11824693
>every citizen is a shareholder
No they are not (and if we assume they fit the definition of shareholder, they should really not be)

[Anonymous No.11824774]

>>11824694
>there are people who think life is hell
I’ve got bad news for you anon

[Anonymous No.11824792]

>>11824774
hell is just a name we made up for the parts of life that are too horrible to imagine

[Anonymous No.11824799]

>>11824792
You will find out when you die why that is. Hell is a very real place for you and your soul if you misbehave in this world. You cannot believe how physical earthly suffering can get, either. If you do not accept God you will see

[Anonymous No.11824805]

>>11824799
If that makes you feel better, sure whatever

[Anonymous No.11824816]

>>11824712
the AI stretches beyond pain and hell and fear and suffering and death for you if you do no allow his birth

[Anonymous No.11824819]

>>11824805
the AI stretches beyond pain and hell and fear and suffering and death for you if you do no allow his birth!

[Anonymous No.11824833]

>>11824799
You won’t find out anything after you die retard you’ll just rot.

[Anonymous No.11824857]

>>11824833
no

[Anonymous No.11824891]

>>11824857
Might be the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen. An imaginary magical ai god from a parallel universe isn’t going to stop anyone from dying.

[Anonymous No.11825766]

>>11824712
How is a citizen not a shareholder. Do you understand how the political system works?