/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11807799]

Weekly /lit/ communist manifesto book club?

[Anonymous No.11807838]

>>11807799
I feel like we've all read the manifesto. I'd definitely be interested in a communist lit club sort of thing with my fellow /lit/ comrades. It would be great to be able to engage in this sort of discussion outside of /pol/ retards and reddit commie retards.

[Anonymous No.11807874]

Fashy goy here. I would be interested in a communist book club, but I've already read the manifesto. It's very short. "Le Capital" would probably be a better pick, although perhaps a shorter work to start off with in case the group falls apart would be preferable, in which case the manifesto makes sense even if most would be revisiting it.

[Anonymous No.11807889]

>>11807838
A spegder is haunding Europe the spegder of gommunism

[Anonymous No.11807952]

>pamphlet book club
cringe to be desu

[Anonymous No.11808073]

>>11807874
What a beautiful image. i did not like song. But im gonna save that image. thank you.

[Anonymous No.11808094]

>>11807799
Is Nazbol allowed in the club?

[Anonymous No.11808137]

>>11808094
1. Anyone that can read the designated portions and discuss it can join.
2. No one but the mods can stop you.

[Anonymous No.11808151]

>commies need help to understand a pamphlet
what you've done to my sides violates the NAP

[Anonymous No.11808164]

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

4 chapters, 1 chapter per week means 1 month to complete. Starting it in October would be poetic.

[Anonymous No.11808464]

>>11808073
You might appreciate it more if you heard the original.
https://youtu.be/rQSmfR1_SVE
They do have very nice and polished music as well though. Life is Life was from the late 80's I think. They play with an orchestra now.
https://youtu.be/_8JZbjh10Ng

[Anonymous No.11808499]

>>11808094
Only if you are constructive if you have criticism

[Anonymous No.11808507]

>>11807838
We need a /comlit/ general with weekly reading projects.

[Anonymous No.11808694]

>>11807874
I recommend "The Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State" . It is classical Marxist view on human history.

[Anonymous No.11808695]

The manifesto is very short my dudes, you can read it in a few hours

[Anonymous No.11809913]

>>11807838
Marxist-/lit/inism when?

[Anonymous No.11809931]

Read this instead

[Anonymous No.11809935]

>>11809931
He dismantles the Communist Manifesto as well. Is ought - is ought - is ought

[Anonymous No.11809989]

Marxoids have no real comeback for this one

[Anonymous No.11809999]

>>11807799
are libcoms welcome? we could get some Proudhon brewin at some point

[Anonymous No.11810068]

>>11809999
nice quads

[Anonymous No.11810079]

>dude lets pretend we can demolish success because I have no ambition

[Anonymous No.11810701]

>>11809913
soon comrade

[Anonymous No.11810743]

Marxism is an abominable neo-Cathar sect of the Hegelian tradition.

Marx saw that capitalism is a wasteful, irrational system, a system which controls us when we should be controlling it. That insight is still valid; but we can now see that the construction of a free and 'equal' society is a more difficult task than Marx realized. Free will is a myth. We need not discuss a politics of liberation, rather one of amelioration, anticipation or intervention. These are our only options entering a post-industrial society with an autonomous market.

[Anonymous No.11810752]

>>11810743
>Marxism is an abominable neo-Cathar sect of the Hegelian tradition

i hope that you’re joking. if you speak like this unironically you are making a fool of yourself lol. stop copying your brainlet uni professor

[Anonymous No.11810800]

Fuck off to leftypol niggers

[Anonymous No.11810805]

>>11810800
BSD is just shitty linux with a bad license.
A more accurate picture was if that devil was also being fucked by a gigantic anthropomorphic apple that was also using it as a blood boy.

[Anonymous No.11811328]

>>11810805
Of course the communigger uses ishit

[Anonymous No.11811461]

*defeats nihilists and socialists in the span of a few novels*
nothing personnel commies..

[Anonymous No.11811469]

>>11810752
Sorry, he's 100% right

[Anonymous No.11811476]

if it takes you more than a week to read this trash propaganda pamphlet you're a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.11811683]

I might actually stand commies if they were willing to have a proper conversation with a fascist instead of screeching "FASCISM IS CAPITALISM IN DECAY, I READ THAT ONCE"
At the end of the day we both have pretty similar goals and similar enemies, its just this old historical conflict that makes us so hostile to one another

[Anonymous No.11811685]

>>11810743
benthamism is based

[Anonymous No.11811702]

>>11807799
>>11807838
you fags post soviet uniforms, yet those people would execute you upon contact if they ever saw you.

[Anonymous No.11811712]

What type of communist? there's so many branches, and the one's i've talked to have splintering views that aren't even close to it's origin. Some just want workers to have a say in the company they work for just like a stockholder does and some want the entire establishment to fall apart so they can share bread all the time.
>also you libertarians aren't any better, your just as naive for being content with a sinking ship.

[Anonymous No.11811896]

>>11811683
>At the end of the day we both have pretty similar goals
This. Their greatest enemies are reactionaries like myself.

[Anonymous No.11811905]

>>11807799
there is no phenomenal self, Marx, Kant and Descartes should be burned and banned, all political and economic philosophy based on the idea of actors or agents must be uprooted, extirpated and the proliferating forces snuffed out and permanently subdued by a stronger model, one based in flux.

[Anonymous No.11811912]

>>11811896
>reactionaries
You say that like it's a thing
Can you be more specific?
And "our" enemies would be international finance, capitalism, unrestrained hedonism

[Anonymous No.11811919]

>>11807838
>>11807799
i dont understand why you think the communist manifesto is good
its literal /pol/ tier level of reading
doesnt even have any economic idea
just a big gay book written by a foreskin eating jew

[Anonymous No.11811923]

>>11807799
>>11807838
Great! Are we getting a fascist book club as well?

[Anonymous No.11811932]

>>11811923
I'm down
Feels like there's so few actual fascist/natsocialist people out there
Its like they're all influences by memes and hollywood

[Anonymous No.11811944]

>>11811932
Go to r/debatefascism.

[Anonymous No.11811950]

>>11811923
Isn't that what all the traditionalism threads were?

[Anonymous No.11811955]

>>11811944
>using reddit
Would rather get a lobotomy

[Anonymous No.11811958]

>>11811950
Traditionalism is just Christian reactionays or conservatives. Fascism is a revolutionary modern ideology.

[Anonymous No.11811960]

>>11811955
You're a brainlet if you think all of reddit r/thedonald. There are good boards there.

[Anonymous No.11811967]

>>11811958
Evolian traditionalism is essentially fascism when you get down to brass tacks
His only criticisms of italian fascism and the third reich were hairsplitting for the sake of disagreeing
After all was said and done he considered those movements "his men" in men among the ruins

[Anonymous No.11811979]

>>11811923
>>11811932
The Doctrine of Fascism is even shorter than The Communist Manifesto if you wanted to start with that to try out whatever kind of format you all would like, get people together, etc, basically as a test run. I've never been in a book club though, so I won't be leading this.

I can see a schism arising between civic nationalist fascists (Mosleyite, integralism) and racial nationalist fascists (Hitlerian, Rockwellian) over whether we should be reading racially oriented literature, and over whether or not to include fascism-adjacent thought such as Traditionalism and the New Right, so trying to sort that out from the beginning - whether the focus will be narrowly fascist and what that means, or whether it will be more broadly "revolutionary rightist" or whatever better label would fit.
>>11811944
That's like the only good subreddit. It's too bad /r/natsoc got shut down.
>>11811950
No. Guenon was pretty apolitical from my understanding and he's kinda the big papa of Traditionalism. One of the main posters in that thread is a Muslim convert as well lol.
>>11811958
Most traditionalist discussion I see has to do with Indo-European paganism.
>>11811967
Man, I gotta get around to reading more Evola.

[Anonymous No.11811985]

(If you people are serious about starting a fascist(ic) book club though, let's make a new thread about it rather than hijacking and derailing the commie thread, as if to stop them from organizing to learn more about their ideology.)

[Anonymous No.11811989]

>>11811979
*"trying to sort that out from the beginning [...] would be a good idea."

[Anonymous No.11811999]

>>11811967
All though reactionaries and fascist often are allies they are definitely different. Fascism seeks to instill a new creed on the world, it takes from reactionaries what it sees as missing from the world and combines it with modernism. It completely changes the values and way of life, it wishes to create a of Ubermensch, devoted to national glory through values of violence, action and masculinity. It completely rejects religion and fully embraces the myth of the state. It also wishes nothing of the economics of old or present and is progressive in its attitude. It is extremely revolutionary.

[Anonymous No.11812022]

>>11811999
>It completely rejects religion
wat

[Anonymous No.11812046]

>>11811979
Rockwell wasnt a fascist he was basically just a racist consrvative

[Anonymous No.11812052]

>>11811912
>Can you be more specific?
More or less the restoration of most pre 1789 thought.

[Anonymous No.11812058]

>>11812022
I mean he's not wrong in a sense. I don't agree that it *completely* rejects religion but it certainly doesn't form the basis of its thought. Hitler and Mussolini mostly just pandered to Christians because they formed a decent chunk of their support base.

[Anonymous No.11812064]

>>11811912
>You say that like it's a thing
>he hasn't read the neoreactionaries

[Anonymous No.11812067]

The manifesto is pretty bad as far as actually explaining Marx’s theories (because it wasn’t meant to do that). I think if any Marxist reading group is started it should open with Orthodox Marxism by Lukács and maybe a crash course on Hegel and the young Hegelians,

[Anonymous No.11812082]

>>11811912
>And "our" enemies would be international finance, capitalism, unrestrained hedonism
Aside from those with significant power and the deluded/ignorant, what group is not in opposition to these things at least by the contrast of what is desired to be (those things naturally destroy/subvert any preference for the state of the world one might have), if not overtly?

[Anonymous No.11812099]

>>11812046
He wasn't a corporatist, but everything else about him was national socialist. If you view corporatism as essential, then you're right by your standard. As an American I understand where he was coming from with the free market aspect.
>>11812058
I agree to an extent but that's not what he said. Fascism - as far as I'm aware - was secular at the most extreme.

[Anonymous No.11812114]

>not a Maoism general
I'll take it, but I am very disappointed

[Anonymous No.11813029]

If you've not read pic related yet do so immediately before setting into the long slog through Marx's works it's far more bearable reading and every chapter has dozens of citations from Marx and Engels.

[Anonymous No.11813130]

>>11812099
He was pro democracy and pro capitalism
He wasnt a national socialist at all
National socialism cannot exist with free market capitalism or a democratic structure, the national socialist movement was founded to be a reasonable alternative to marxism
Rockwell has nothing in common with fascism at all, he was a white nationalist and liked hitlers ideas about race, that's all

[Anonymous No.11813324]

>>11811702

>average 4chan user who thinks USSR was extremely totalitarian and horrid to live in
>MUH HOLODOMOR
>MUH PURGES
>MUH KATYN
>MUH FOOD
>ARCHIPELAGO

mfw i study marxism and soviet history and knowing the pros and cons of the system look upon the untermensch bile-spewing USSR haters who vehemently oppose socialism not knowing why

[Anonymous No.11813338]

>>11811328
That's cute. You failed to understand my two sentence long post because you don't understand that you're shilling for Apple by posting FreeBSD.
Got any more memes of technology you don't know anything about?

[Anonymous No.11813466]

>>11813324
>totalitarian
It was but probably no more so than Russian under the Tsars rule, particularly when serfs were still legal.

This just shows the failure of communism and revolutions, I can't think of one revolution that fundamentally changed the culture of a nation. All it does is change the people in power.

[Anonymous No.11813547]

>>11811979
>>11811950
>>11811932
>>11811923
>>11810800
>>11809913
>>11808695
>>11808694
>>11808507
>>11808094
>>11807874
>>11807838

Fash here. I feel like we are split between communism and fascism (whatever the brands of both.

How about just authoritarian general?

We will post books like Lenin's Imerialism, What is to be Done, Mao's quote book, shit like that/

But also post fascist stuff like Falangist manifestos and articles, doctrine of fascism, The Economics Foundation of Fascism, maybe mein kampf

[Anonymous No.11813582]

>>11813547
When do you think you'll grow out of your rebellious little phase and look back at all this and cringe?

[Anonymous No.11813830]

>>11813582
t. wears a Che shirt

[Anonymous No.11813933]

>>11813547
I thought this thread was about communism pamphlets?
Did people stop visiting your fascism threads or something?

[Anonymous No.11814458]

>>11813547
muh horseshoe

[Anonymous No.11814463]

>>11808151
if we're making sweeping generalizations. it's better than zoomer AnCaps that have never touched a book in their life

[Anonymous No.11814473]

>>11813547
Red-Brown alliance

[Anonymous No.11814476]

>>11814473
Fucking nope

[Anonymous No.11814487]

>>11813830
I'm on the right, dimwit.

[Anonymous No.11814504]

>>11807799
Tbh we've all read Marx and probably your beginners lenin. But huge amount of good leftlit and lefthistory that would probably be more insightful than re-reading Marx anyways.

[Anonymous No.11814510]

>>11814504
>he thinks more than like 5% of /lit/ at most have even read Capital let alone Marx's major works (doubt anyone here has read Marx in his entirety)

[Anonymous No.11814568]

>>11812114
stay strong comrade

[Anonymous No.11814600]

>>11814487
Hoppe school of cringe or Maistre school of cringe? Or just Boomercore?

[Anonymous No.11814607]

>>11813547
cringe

[Anonymous No.11814634]

>>11812114
Mao mowed 50 million down

[Anonymous No.11814637]

>>11814634
I think he missed some
There are still bloviating fascists coming in the goddamn windows over here

[Anonymous No.11814642]

>>11807799
less book lurnin', more potato harvesting. you know what happens to uppity intellectuals, comrade

[Anonymous No.11814648]

>>11814642
Arbeit macht Frei?
Fleeing to the US before they get forced into ghettos and camps?

[Anonymous No.11814655]

>>11814648
Yep. Therefore, less thinky-thinky, more diggy-diggy.

[Anonymous No.11814673]

>>11814655
Good thing I'm on a CEO strike with all the other capitalist intellectuals. So instead of not working at the office today, I can not work at home. You're lucky people like me even showed you where my potato patch was so you could dig them up for m-I mean us.

[Anonymous No.11814702]

>>11814673
"strike"? that sounds like pit-speak to me