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[Anonymous No.11807589]

/catholic/ general

I just found out that a church near me, which my mom referred to as 'snooty,' offers Latin Mass

I want to go but I'm kind of nervous about not knowing any of the proper responses. All my life I've attended typical modern churches where everybody wears jeans and graphic tees and worshipers kneel with their butt half-propped against the pew

Anybody have any advice on the transition?

[Anonymous No.11807627]

It will be the same there, too.

[Anonymous No.11807628]

>>11807589
Dont they usually give you booklets so you read? Tbh its okay not to say anything. Just go for the atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.11807672]

>>11807589
Wear dress shirt and pants at least. Preferably a jacket. Or a tie.
Talk to the priest beforehand. Confess before receiving mass.

[Anonymous No.11807680]

>>11807589
Your mother is going to rot in hell unless she repents.

[Anonymous No.11807681]

>>11807589
Most churches will have "guide to the mass" sheets at the back of the church explaining what to say. If you can't find them, just ask the priest or a parishoner where they are. I'm sure everyone will be kind.

[ري كظ R Y · Q V S S !KNDY.F27NY No.11807712]

>>11807589
>I want to go but I'm kind of nervous about not knowing any of the proper responses.

1. THAT SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM, SO LONG AS YOU GRADUALLY AND EVENTUALLY LEARN; NOONE SHOULD ALIENATE, NOR DENIGRATE, YOU, FOR NOT KNOWING ALL, OR ANY, OF THE RESPONSES, BECAUSE (1) NOONE CARES, AND (2) SINCE IT IS NOT A PRIVATE CLUB, OR SOCIETY, IT IS TO BE EXPECTED THAT SOME OF THE ATTENDANTS WOULD BE LESS VERSED, OR SAVVY, THAN OTHERS; DO NOT LET THE OVERCOMPLEX FORMALISM INTIMIDATE YOU; ULTIMATELY, IT IS DAILY MASS, A QUOTIDIAN EVENT.

2. DESPITE THE AFOREMENTIONED, I ADVISE AS OPTIMAL THAT YOU SEPARATE YOURSELF FROM JUDEOCHRISTIANITY, AND JOIN CHRISTIANITY INSTEAD.

JUDEOCHRISTIANITY IS A JUDAIZED CORRUPTION OF THE TRUE SPIRITUAL DOCTRINE INITIATED BY JESUS, AND DEVELOPED BY HIS DISCIPLES; JUDEOCHRISTIANITY COMPRISES ALL THE SECTS THAT ARE ERRONEOUSLY CALLED "CHRISTIAN" —VIDELICET: CATHOLICISM, ORTHODOXY, PROTESTANTISM, MORMONISM, EVANGELICALISM, ANGLICANISM, ET CETERA.

[Anonymous No.11807715]

Remember, OP: the Mass is not offered for your sake. The Novus Ordo has confused a lot of people on this, but it remains true for that, as well. The Mass is not said on behalf of the laity.

The Mass is said on behalf of Jesus Christ, God and Lord, in keeping with the old tradition of worship and sacrifice of God going back to the days of David's Israel. Priests say Mass privately all the time. It's not for you. It's not done on your behalf, or mine. It's done for God. It is the offering of the Eucharist as sacrifice to God, with God himself as that sacrifice in turn. But it is done entirely for God.

The Latin Mass really emphasizes this. So, basically, you don't need to know any of the responses. This is something I learned very quickly when I started going. Nothing YOU say or do is going to affect what goes on on the altar. It's not your doing that turns the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ. It's the priest, offering the sacrifice.

So you don't actually NEED to say anything. It doesn't matter. Just sit in silence, stand and kneel when everyone else does, and ponder the great mystery.

[Anonymous No.11807733]

>>11807589
The first time I went to a TLM, the priest noticed I was new and offered me a missal with translations. Everyone was very welcoming and it was clear that nobody looks down on those who aren't used to the responses.

Attend a few times, and if you like it buy a 1962 missal. Honestly the novus ordo can't compare in the slightest imo.

[Anonymous No.11807768]

>>11807589
Ayy, I've been going each weekend for the past few Sundays with my grandmother

Its not difficult just sit in the back (or wherever if you feel comfortable) and just sit stand and kneel when everyone else does. You can kneel however I'm sure some people kneel the way you said there too, especially the old folks.

They have guides at mine that I grab and follow along with.

Remember to only receive the Eucharist if you're in a state of grace (have gone to confession if you've committed any serious mortal sins). When you go up usually they kneel to do it. You just put your hands together like you're praying and then open your mouth and he puts the Eucharist on your tongue. Then don't say amen, just make the sign of the cross and go back to your pew.

[Anonymous No.11807770]

>>11807589
>dude I wanna pretend to believe in a 2,000 yr old scam because I need to experience pseudo-"deep" traditionalism since I can't get laid and Tinder ruined monogamy lmao
fuck off this isn't even /lit/

>>11807712
if you are advocating gnosticism as the "de-judaized" version of christianity, you are a moron. gnosticism is even more rabbinical and judaic than orthodoxy or catholocism and almost all of the early gnostic texts were written by rabbi LARPers

[Anonymous No.11807772]

>>11807770
Reddit.com
This is as /lit/ as it gets.

[ري كظ R Y · Q V S S !KNDY.F27NY No.11807774]

>>11807770

YOU ARE AN IDIOT; YOU DO NOT DESERVE A PROPER RESPONSE.

STOP POSTING.

[Anonymous No.11807781]

Kind of unrelated, but how do I reconcile my homosexual tendencies with my catholic faith? I'm afraid of confessing because of what the priest may tell me to do regarding my tendencies, I don't want to stop loving him but I want to be in grace too. What should I do?

[Anonymous No.11807784]

>>11807774
>Contemporary scholarship largely agrees that Gnosticism has Jewish or Judeo-Christian origins, originating in the late first century AD in nonrabbinical Jewish sects and early Christian sects.[17][12][13][note 14]

>Many heads of gnostic schools were identified as Jewish Christians by Church Fathers, and Hebrew words and names of God were applied in some gnostic systems.[18] The cosmogonic speculations among Christian Gnostics had partial origins in Ma`aseh Bereshit and Ma`aseh Merkabah. This thesis is most notably put forward by Gershom Scholem (1897–1982) and Gilles Quispel (1916–2006). Scholem detected Jewish gnosis in the imagery of the merkavah

kek stay asspained dumbass

>>11807772
>hurp durp christianity is peak western literature
no

[Anonymous No.11807786]

>>11807781
This is a difficult question, because what the world tells you to do is different than what the Church will tell you to do.

I would say that you should try to find some time to talk to a priest that you trust very much on the matter. Follow the guidance of your spiritual father, if you think he gives good advice.

[Anonymous No.11807796]

>>11807589
Wear your Sunday Best and be sure to pick up the books they usually have out for the Virgin Novus Ordos.

[Anonymous No.11807802]

why do the jannies allow garbage posts like this to stay up?

[ري كظ R Y · Q V S S !KNDY.F27NY No.11807810]

>>11807781

HOMOSEXUALITY IS A PERVERSION; PERVERSIONS SHOULD BE RECTIFIED, NOT TOLERATED VIA "RECONCILIATION"; YOU CANNOT RECTIFY PERVERSION WITHIN CATHOLICISM, ONLY REPRESS IT, BECAUSE CATHOLICISM, AS THE JUDEOCHRISTIAN OBSCURANTIST IDEOLOGY THAT IT IS, DOES NOT ERADICATE, NOR ELIMINATE, WHAT IS ROTTEN, NOR DOES IT RESOLVE, NOR RECTIFY, WHAT IS DEFICIENT, BUT RATHER, IT CONCEALS IT, AND LETS IT FESTER.

IF YOU CHOOSE TO REMAIN SEXUALLY DEVIOUS IN HOMOSEXUALITY, BUT IN A HYPOCRITICAL AND COVERT MANNER, CATHOLICISM SHOULD BE APT FOR YOU.

[Anonymous No.11807813]

>>11807781
Just be a gay catholic, it will be fine. Don't worry about it. God doesn't care about that shit. All that matters is that you believe.

[Anonymous No.11807815]

>>11807589
Why was Aquinas so damn good? I wanna buy a full summa and read the whole thing. He seemed like such a gentle giant with a bright and sharp mind.

[Anonymous No.11807818]

>>11807589
Church is boring and pure torture. I never got to read the bible with all the standing, kneeling, singing and dull sermons.

[Anonymous No.11807831]

>>11807589
If you are on this site, chances are you are highly likely to go to hell. Kind, god fearing, charitable people do not spend their time on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.11807864]

>>11807589
Pick up a bilingual missal 1962 or earlier (search missale romanum, sspx uses '62 but sspv uses even earlier I think)

Don't be afraid to attend and ask for help. Just monkey see monkey do until you get it down.

It doesn't matter much during the mass whether you do it right or not as long as the priest does it right. What you need to do is NOT participate in the eucharist until you attain sanctifying grace through baptism, confession, and penance.

Anyway this isn't /lit/ and you should at least attempt to cover it up as being /lit/ related, so read the Catechism and the Missale and the Bible

[Anonymous No.11807865]

>>11807781
Live a life of celibacy or find a way to overcome it. I have my doubts about homosexuality as a permanent thing I think it's very much environmental.

[Anonymous No.11807936]

>>11807786

Dont listen to him>>11807865, theyre all hypocrits.

[Anonymous No.11807976]

>>11807865
Get on grinder you closet-fag.

[Anonymous No.11808005]

>>11807936
>>11807976
>le edgy nihilistic degenerates
You seriously can't imagine someone not as sick and disgusting as you? Someone who has enough self control to resist the shackles you adore? Some who ignores the yanking of the chain of their most base passions? I don't hate you people, I pity you. In your own ignorance your actions will destroy my society and possibly myself but not before they reduce you to spiritual and corporeal nothingness.

[Anonymous No.11808026]

>>11807589
find a missal for the latin mass so you can follow along

[Anonymous No.11808088]

>>11808005
Realise the hypocrisy of your own sins before making judgements like that. Rather than pontificating with needless affectation.

[Anonymous No.11808156]

>>11807589
sorry you're going to get spammed with larping and the 1 (one) gnostic spammer.

The truth is liturgical abuses will happen at any mass you go to. Many "snooty" Latin masses will do better at avoiding abuses since the structure is more strict and the people are autistic about stuff. Ultimately what matters most is how you engage in the mass yourself. If you can't take it seriously when you're next to someone with jeans than you probably can't take it seriously when the dude next to you is in a tie.

1. read about the mass
2. attend daily mass as often as possible
3. pray with the eucharist in adoration

The Church needs less apathy not a rejection of Vatican II council. Less apathy starts on a personal level.

Last and not least, AVOID SSPX chapels. Despite these people's good intentions and web of discourse they ARE in schism with the Catholic Church. If the Church near you is not SSPX and legit with the diocese than by all means go and try it out. My only warning would be to do so with humility. Seeking tradition to be "better" than other parishes is a dangerous form of pride that will not lead you to heaven which should be the whole point of attending mass in the first place.

God Bless

[Anonymous No.11808163]

>>11807768
You’re a good grandson anon

[Anonymous No.11808173]

runs through the thread screaming about vatican 2 YOU CAN'T STOP ME HAHAHA

[Anonymous No.11808185]

>>11807781
Focus on the essentials of who you are and how God sees you. If you see yourself through your sexually before you see yourself as a son of God you will never make it. That goes for straight people as well. We are all called to live chaste lives no matter what our sexually is.

Emotional and physical chastity is something we all struggle with. The priest will not see your sin as any bigger or smaller. You have the opportunity to live a grace filled life and God can make you a saint despite the natural faults we all have. We tend to think of our faults as so huge because we see them from our point of view in day to day life. It's hard to see the context of our sin or tendencies in God's unending sea of mercy I'm glad he is calling you to confession and I pray he gives you the courage to go soon!

God bless

[Anonymous No.11808225]

>>11808156
>>11808185
awesome posts.

OP, listen to this guy
and God bless you both

[Anonymous No.11808259]

I think the gates of hell has prevailed against the church so Christianity refutes itself since if it were true, Catholicism would also be true. Jesus said the gates of hell would not prevail against the church yet there's a pope teaching borderline heresy regarding execution and covering up for pedophiles while kneeling to the Chinese. If that's not enough the clergy is infested with a "lavender mafia." The institution is dying and it's not coming back because it's not equipped to fight Islam or progressives. We have so called Catholic positions supporting abortion and priests in public supporting LGBT initiatives.

If the gates haven't prevailed the phrase is meaningless.

[Anonymous No.11808266]

>>11808259
>so called Catholic position
Politicians

[Anonymous No.11808289]

>>11808259
>>11808266
God is reforming the Church as we speak. Everything done in the darkness will be brought to the light.

[Anonymous No.11808290]

>>11807781
if you do confess, just make sure you dont give him reason to touch you. careful not to arouse him too much. if youre over 18 you might be sage.

[Anonymous No.11808594]

>>11807796
Man I wanna be so knowledge of the bible one day that I too can bullshit my way across like the guy in your pic.
>also
I am way to impressionable when it comes to religion and always have a feeling of being deceived when I read other people’s interpretations and beliefs. What do?

[Anonymous No.11808617]

Some people will dress formal but you will have other people who wear jeans and graphic tees

[Anonymous No.11808621]

>>11807715
Don't listen to this guy, Satan lives within him.

[Anonymous No.11808627]

>>11807589
Dress nice. Don't wear pants if you are a woman, skirts or long dresses. They usually have booklets with local language/latin. You can also buy one online and read it beforehand. It's not really complicated, with time you'll learn responses/what's going on.

[Anonymous No.11808662]

In Christian love, the Catholic church is not the Church you read about in the New Testament that Jesus established. I left Catholicism and it was difficult, but it had to be done.

[Anonymous No.11808693]

Fall festival at my church this Sunday. Come.

[Anonymous No.11809274]

>>11808163
Thanks, I just asked her if she wanted to go with me the first time I went and she liked it so I've been going with her ever since

[Anonymous No.11809279]

>>11808662
so you left it for liberalism or for the orthodox church?

[Anonymous No.11809283]

>>11807768
>go back to your pew.
pew pew pew

[Anonymous No.11809433]

>>11807781
I thought the sin was homosexual acts, not being gay itself?

[Anonymous No.11810771]

>>11809433
it is

also i suppose letting the thoughts entice you would be bad too, but if you resist it youre not sin

[Anonymous No.11810854]

>>11807784
Yikes

[Anonymous No.11810875]

why do priests keep buggering boys?

Why does the church keep covering upfor these nonces, and on occasion enabling them

[Anonymous No.11810885]

>>11807781
Antiandrogens, SSRIs, and possibly neurosurgery. The desire is not innate. Its a perversion. You need to nuke the sexual aspects or it's gonna get worse. I struggled with pornography to women which adversely caused arousal in real life. I can't imagine the same thing occurring when speaking to a man. You are an extreme case and you need to do something extreme to fix the situation. I'd even consider gamma knife surgery to sever connections to the sexual centers of the brain.

[Anonymous No.11810888]

>>11810875
don't worry, we just gotta start praying harder and god will stop them :^)

>>11810854
nice refutation

[Anonymous No.11810965]

>>11810875
>keep

Instances of abuse have cratered since the 80s, nowadays priests molest at lower rates than public school teachers.

Reminder that Satan was literally at work in the Church during the 60s and 70s, the height of the "Spirit of Vatican 2".

[Anonymous No.11811040]

>>11810875
All the new cases that keep coming up aren't actually new, they're from the 60s - 80s, more from that period just keep being uncovered.

[Anonymous No.11811181]

>>11807768
>Then don't say amen
Its the opposite, so say amen to receive the Eucharist

[Anonymous No.11811189]

>>11807813
t. snake trying to schism the Church again

[Anonymous No.11811194]

>>11809279
hes now a tree hugging crusty quaker that wears sandals and plays an ibanez in his "church band"

[Anonymous No.11811207]

>>11807815
The historical facts, or at least the short biographies, that I've read about him make him out to be a very honest man.

[Anonymous No.11811259]

>>11811194
Whats wrong with Quakers? Ive never seen one in the wild but they seem better than most protestant churchs

[Anonymous No.11811357]

>>11811259
Quakers are kind of proto-Pentecostals, aren't they? The whole "shaking with the Spirit" thing seems a lot like what Pentecostals do.

[Anonymous No.11811390]

>>11807589
>>11807680
>>11807712
>>11807770
>>11807784
>>11808005
Schizo autistic poltard MAGAcel Americans

[Anonymous No.11811728]

>>11807589
How do I get into Catholicism?

[Anonymous No.11811733]

>>11811390
>Schizo

You'd like to think that, wouldn't you, materialist?

[Anonymous No.11811757]

>>11811728
Do you want a contemporary Catholic study bible, a middle-english /lit/cred translation bible, Church father theology, history of the Church, biographies of Saints, procedure of a typical mass and the prayers used during, a latin-english dictionary, the Nicene Creed in braille, the the Nicene-Constantinopolitan creed in leetspeak, a Catholic podcast series, a map to your nearest Church?

Be more specific.

[Anonymous No.11811980]

>>11811728
depends person to person anon. Are you in school? Do you live in a big city? Your best option is always to find a practicing disciple and to learn from them. This can take many different forms. A holy parish priest, a Catholic friend you look up to, a church that offers quality RCIA programs. If you live on a college campus see if you have a Newman center or if there are focus ministers on campus.

While it's certainly possible to know Jesus more through books everyone that comes into the church does so with someone leading them along. Do not worry about being a non-Catholic and approaching priests and religious. They are there to serve you too!

Keep searching and God bless!

[Anonymous No.11811998]

>Interested in Catholicism
>Don't care about Jesus, Israel, or anything involving the desert
>Only interested in Catholicism's history with Europe
>The art, the architecture, the practices, the theological debates
Books for this feel?

Please refrain from LARPing and nontheistic Christianity gobbledygook, we're all adults here.

[Anonymous No.11812074]

>>11808662
This. Orthodoxy is the one truth faith.

[Anonymous No.11812111]

>>11811998
uh this sounds like a really boring feel. Catholicism is pretty much the most boring shit ever without Jesus.
Do you care about roman stuff?

[Anonymous No.11812120]

>>11812111
Yes, but I feel that's really independent of my interest in Catholicism.

I honestly figured I'd be getting tons of butthurt LARPers calling me a race worshiper with a few anons going
>tfw no tradition
>CS Lewis said...
but I guess it's not that inflammatory of a post.