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11805140 No.11805140 [Reply] [Original]

>The American Tolkien

Why do people use this phrase when it's clear he's far greater than Tolkien?

>> No.11805159

The real question is, why do they use this phrase when it's clear that the two could not be more different?

>> No.11805221

>>11805140
Who would you compare him with? Tolkien wrote some fantasy shit with tons of fans, as did Martin. Comparing genre writers with each other is the most sensible thing ever.

>> No.11805226

>>11805140
They're both pretty middling

>> No.11805258

>>11805226
Absolutely not. GRRM is midding, but Tolkien is inkling.

>> No.11805273
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>>11805258
Kino.

>> No.11805275

>>11805140
Weak bait.
Martin isn't fit to sniff Tolkien's shit.
Without Tolkien, we don't even have modern fantasy.

>> No.11805285

>>11805275
No a big loss.

>> No.11805304

>>11805140
If he's so great then why does he steal from Tolkien?

>> No.11805313

>>11805140
>he's far greater than Tolkien
In physical size, undoubtedly
Ergo he is the American Tolkien

>> No.11805346

>>11805285
You aren't wrong here. Modern fantasy is hopelessly derivitive and cannot break away from Tolkien's ideas. As a "genre" it is creatively bankrupt and it's useless to read anything but the cornerstone itself, LOTR, and the Silmarillion if you are a die-hard fan.

>> No.11805488

I'll never understand why he's credited as a Tolkien wannabe just because MUH MEDIEVAL SETTING when he's more like a fantasy version of Asimov.

>> No.11805511

>>11805488
>fantasy version of Asimov.
So Tolkien?

>> No.11806257

>>11805140
>Why do people use this phrase when it's clear he's far greater than Tolkien?

"American" means "far greater".

>> No.11806274

Tolkien finished his series

>> No.11806289

>>11805140
He certainly has greater in mass than Tolkien, which is made clear by the 'American' part, so everything seems in order

>> No.11807069

>>11806257
no, it means septic tank you fucking yank

>> No.11807260

>>11805140
There is no greater or lesser.

>> No.11807272

>tries to make gritty and realistic rebuttal to LOTR without explicit "good" and "bad"
>makes every villain comically evil

>> No.11807305
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>>11805140

>> No.11807406

>>11807272
>rebuttal

>> No.11807490

>>11805346
R. A. Salvatore’s work makes a unique impression in fantasy.

>> No.11807497

>>11807272
i think you mean subversion/deconstruction but your point still stands it's gay.

>> No.11807648

>>11805221

edgy