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Anonymous Sat Sep 8 20:00:40 2018 No.11755844 [Reply] [Original]

Where do I start with Yukio Mishima?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 20:06:20 2018 No.11755873 >>11755844 Flanagan's Yukio Mishima

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 20:06:57 2018 No.11755874 >>11755844 on your knees boy

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 20:08:00 2018 No.11755881 Confessions of a Mask

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 23:14:01 2018 No.11756607 File: 72 KB, 500x614, 1444571602701.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Isn't there a good flowchart out there for Mishima?

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 23:21:22 2018 No.11756632
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I personally started with Golden Pavilion myself, but this chart will work fine. The most important thing is to read Sea of Fertility last because it really is a full stop to his work.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 00:17:47 2018 No.11756853 >>11756632 I don't really understand this chart. His only novels I wouldn't recommend starting with are Sound of Waves because it is so unlike his other novels and possibly Spring Snow since it leads to three other novels.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 01:07:26 2018 No.11757030 Is Acts of Worship an okay way to start with him? Got it on sale today

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 01:07:45 2018 No.11757031 >>11756632 this chart is alright, but it leaves out more than half his books. I just finished the four in the beginning and now i'm reading the stuff that's not on it, then i'll finish with confessions, then sun and steel, then the sea of fertility.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 04:58:12 2018 No.11757533 >>11755844 Hey guys, my local bookstore only has a copy of The Man Who Fell From Grace With the Sea in stock. Good place to start?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 05:50:55 2018 No.11757643 >>11755844 The closet.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 06:30:05 2018 No.11757734 >>11756632 What if I want more son and mom eroticism?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 06:56:14 2018 No.11757809 >>11757533 Yes. Sailor is a fairly short but really good.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 06:58:11 2018 No.11757815 File: 92 KB, 960x722, 1482668552121.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11755844 By learning Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 07:21:54 2018 No.11757868 >>11757815 I'm a weeb but I decided to learn Japanese after reading Mishima. I want to read the originals.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 07:57:55 2018 No.11757930 Book of five rings

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 08:32:03 2018 No.11758012 >>11756632 'After the banquett' criminally underrated

Anonymous Sun Sep 9 08:34:08 2018 No.11758018

>>11757868
I tried to learn Japanese to read Mishima, i hate anime and weeb culture. The good ol' Mishima was not a strong motivation and I dropped out after learning hiragana, katakana, 200 kanjis and 600 words. Japanese is a very unlogical language and i hated every moment

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 08:34:23 2018 No.11758020 >>11757930 Fuck you man, i read it and was so dissapointed to just read what is basically clausewitz in fortune cookie format.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 09:19:20 2018 No.11758123 >>11755844 You start by taking his underwear off. You proceed by sucking his dick.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 10:39:39 2018 No.11758360 >>11758018 >unlogical language nigga you fucking dumb

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 12:56:59 2018 No.11758969 File: 217 KB, 801x939, 1536510931050.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11758018 >learning a language for its logic

Anonymous Sun Sep 9 14:57:34 2018 No.11759455
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>>11758018
Been learning Japanese for 3 in a half years at this point. I've attained conversational fluency and study at the advance level. You need STRONG motivation to learn this language, and in the course of my studies I found only 3 motivations that are strong enough to keep people learning. Also, depending on your motivation, the speed in which you progress differs.

Category 1: Weebs who want to learn Japanese because they like weeb shit. In my experience most of these people quit because honestly, there is little reason to learn such a complex language like this for a hobby. Especially when most anime and manga get fan-translated into English. The few in this category who do persist tend to evolve into category 3.

Category 2: Infatuation with Japanese women. Not going to lie, this was my primary motive myself. Sex is an incredibly powerful motivator, especially for those with intense cases of Yellow Fever. From what I have seen from myself and others I knew who fell into this category, you tend to reach conversational fluency pretty quickly (with in 2 to 3 years often), but once you start actually achieving your goal of sex you reach a plateau. Most conversations in Japanese are basic and dull, and you really aren't going to be talking about anything complex with most Japanese women. Once you get conversational enough to flirt well, you will likely lose your motivation to further study, and probably won't improve much unless you end up marrying a Japanese women, or if you transition into category 3.

Category 3: These are the people who reach overall proficiency in the language. They can not only speak fluently, but they can also read newspapers and books. These people tend to genuinely fall in love with Japanese literature and culture. They also more often than not move to Japan.

I've only met a handful of Category 3s, and often they evolved from Category 1. The real roadblock for category 2s is that there is no point in focusing on learning literary and professional Japanese since you only need to be able to converse well. Most of your practice will also consequently be verbal. And again, most Japanese don't talk about interesting or intellectual topics, so you will rarely be exposed to those words if you get most of your practice from conversation.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 15:01:19 2018 No.11759478 >>11757815 https://youtu.be/bkOw-NH8mo4 >18:30 What an edgelord, wew

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 15:17:06 2018 No.11759546 >>11759455 Kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 18:19:59 2018 No.11760276 >>11755844 God I wish that were me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 18:49:08 2018 No.11760374 >>11760276 Mishima willed a beautiful body. He started out as a pussy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 19:20:57 2018 No.11760483 >>11755874 this is the correct answer

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 00:43:36 2018 No.11761565 >>11760276 Lift and diet. You can not do seppuku until your body is beautiful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 03:04:22 2018 No.11761958 >>11755844 by reading his books, while he is a very good writers hes not difficult

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 03:24:00 2018 No.11761997 >>11756607 The dude was born to star in a Hitchcock film.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 03:29:59 2018 No.11762008 >>11761958 Yea, but he's prolific. Saying "just read him" doesn't help much.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 05:52:36 2018 No.11762324 >>11761997 What is that supposed to mean?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 06:11:34 2018 No.11762370 you start by getting /fit/

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 06:15:43 2018 No.11762375

>>11758018
Japanese is beautiful. It's pretty logical as far as grammar structures go, if unlike European languages. The most unlogical, and the most beautiful, part of it is how it uses kanji to write words, but I guess you didn't manage to reach this part.
>I tried to learn Japanese to read Mishima, i hate anime and weeb culture.
It's not like Mishima and weeb culture are completely opposite things. They both have roots in Japanese culture, and while anime and other weeb stuff is more often shit than not, if you go into it deep enough you'll find scattered here and there the same grains of beauty that Mishima's works are composed of.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:35:18 2018 No.11763144 >>11757809 Thanks anon. I know it's the next day and everything but I just bought a copy of Sailor. Read a few pages already, seems legit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:38:26 2018 No.11763160 >>11758018 Fuck off roach

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 14:53:09 2018 No.11764386 >>11758360 suck a dick, weeb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K95xsKPur0

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 14:55:11 2018 No.11764406 I'd start with his pecs but go down pretty quickly.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:15:10 2018 No.11764488

>>11764386
What a fucking pleb. Non-Joyo kanji having kyuujitai forms is actually great since it means that these forms aren't lost, and at the same time they don't get in the way of handwriting with extremely common kanji having 20+ strokes. And simplified Chinese is one of the ugliest creations known to man, second only to hangul. Anyone referring to it as a "good simplification" should be disregarded even if only for the offence against aesthetics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:31:56 2018 No.11764890 File: 1.83 MB, 420x262, mishima's life.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11755844 >Where do I start with Yukio Mishima? with prostate massagers, push ups, and unironically the catcher in the rye by jd salinger.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:53:40 2018 No.11765310 Kinkaku ji

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 22:05:35 2018 No.11766388
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/lit/ memed me into reading Confessions of a Mask and I'm not sure if I should keep reading his work, I enjoyed it overall but the whole "literal gay cannibal torture porn fantasies" stuff was just a little 2edgy4me, where should i go next?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 02:53:14 2018 No.11767175 >>11766388 How is it 2edgy4me when the book is heavily autobiographical about his actual fantasies while a child and where the book makes it abundantly clear that it isn't edgy because he has no idea that these fantasies aren't normal?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 02:56:55 2018 No.11767179 u could try letting ur gay lover hack ur head off repeatedly

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