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Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:12:14 2018 No.11751024 [Reply] [Original]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/pristine-inner-experience/201110/not-everyone-conducts-inner-speech
>only 26% of people are smart enough for inner speech
Does this terrify anybody else? The average person is so fucking stupid they're just, I don't know, sort of like algae floating around--eating, watching Netflix, fucking. The literally do not think beyond impulse and feeling. I am honestly not sure that the average person can even be considered sentient.

It basically proves all these stream of consciousness tomes and interior monologues to be failures. Joyce tried writing from the perspective of people who DON'T HAVE A PERSPECTIVE to represent!

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:17:50 2018 No.11751041 interesting article

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:19:31 2018 No.11751047 That can't be accurate Are said individuals even people?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:21:12 2018 No.11751052 >Only 26% of people are mentally ill

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:22:39 2018 No.11751057 >>11751024 > Modern science discovers the hylic/psychic/pneumatic distinction

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:23:36 2018 No.11751061 >>11751057 the what

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:23:47 2018 No.11751063 File: 77 KB, 376x401, mindless sheep.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] B-but this image!

Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:26:25 2018 No.11751073

>>11751024
>only 26% of people are smart enough for inner speech
Not what the article says though. They conclude most people have inner speech to varying degrees.
>As a result of this study and others we have conducted, I'm confident that inner speech is a robust phenomenon-if you use a proper method, there's little doubt about whether or not inner speech is occurring at any given moment. And I'm confident about the individual differences-some people talk to themselves a lot, some never, some occasionally.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:26:45 2018 No.11751075 what could you retards possibly have to talk to yourselves about

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:27:53 2018 No.11751081 >>11751075 >>11751017

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:28:38 2018 No.11751086 >>11751063 that's one 26%er projecting his conscious experience to the 74% of automatons

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:29:16 2018 No.11751091 I don't have a clue what this guy is talking about. You mean thinking verbally? What?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:29:27 2018 No.11751093 only 25% of people in this study are white

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:30:54 2018 No.11751099 Inner speech isn't a mark of intelligence you fucking pseud. It literally means hearing words in your head. Reading a long word and sounding it out in your head is inner speech.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:30:56 2018 No.11751100 What is a "pristine inner experience"? i refuse to believe that 74% of people are p-zombies.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:31:15 2018 No.11751104 >>11751091 Yes. Only one quarter of people think verbally with any frequency

Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:31:47 2018 No.11751109

What do normies think about? I can't imagine how it is to not be in your mind 24/7 because i'm a daydreaming faggot, i'm probably mentally ill, i just can't stop thinking and forming scenes in my head and they get in the way of the inner monologue, gets me all confused.

>>11751075
You don't debate with your self about your life decisions? You don't create scenes about your life in the future and then get your inner monologue to debate with another voice (NOT schizo, just another voice that you creates and have all control of it) about which one of them is more likely to be the actual outcome?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:32:16 2018 No.11751111 File: 12 KB, 420x420, b36.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Subvocalizers truly are the master race

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:32:16 2018 No.11751112 >>11751099 that's sub vocalizing, brainlet op is talking about something else entirely

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:32:23 2018 No.11751113 >>11751104 so is he saying only 26% people (based on this sample size anyways, w/e) have a coherent, verbal inner monologue?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:33:40 2018 No.11751119 >>11751024 >random sample of 30 students from a large urban university show's over just another dabbling kike

Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:33:41 2018 No.11751121
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>>11751024
>thinking inner dialogue is the only way to think
Are you retarded OP? There's various way's the brain conceptualizes thought, speech isn't the only one.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:34:26 2018 No.11751123 File: 111 KB, 720x719, 20180907_193404.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11751112 If you'd actually read the article you'd know how wrong you are you faggot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:34:39 2018 No.11751124 >>11751024 >It basically proves all these stream of consciousness tomes and interior monologues to be failures. Joyce tried writing from the perspective of people who DON'T HAVE A PERSPECTIVE to represent! Based brainlet

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:35:31 2018 No.11751128 File: 28 KB, 253x387, jQsv6w1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11751057 pretty much this

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:35:55 2018 No.11751132 >>11751024 probably pseudoscience

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:36:48 2018 No.11751136 >>11751112 No they are pretty much talking about subvocalizing (or at the very least subvocalizing is a form of inner speech). Read the article.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:37:35 2018 No.11751144 >>11751123 subvocalizing is inner speech not all inner speech is subvocalizing faggot

Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:38:21 2018 No.11751150

>>11751024
I'm pretty sure this article is saying that a lot of people don't believe they monologue in their heads (i.e. they don't "speak" in their heads, or imagine literal words in their heads). Instead they may do something like visualize an image or a sequence instead of literally talking to themselves in their minds

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:39:48 2018 No.11751154 >>11751024 >psychologytoday this thread is cute but can you guys just stick to the books and leave the big boy topics to /scu/? thx

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:40:23 2018 No.11751157 >>11751150 >tfw weininger's concept of a henid was right all along >tfw women/less-developed souls really do just think in weird, unarticulated flashes of feeling holy shit

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:41:09 2018 No.11751164 >>11751150 This pretty much. Everyone sharing this is basically "tfw to smart". Not everyone has self awareness, but everyone has thoughts.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:43:07 2018 No.11751172 >>11751154 >/scu/ looks like we got a big boy here lads

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:44:48 2018 No.11751182 >>11751024 >Joyce tried writing from the perspective of people who DON'T HAVE A PERSPECTIVE to represent! Joyce was writing from the perspective of intelligent people. Faulkner is more in trouble since he wrote for the view of literal retards

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:45:07 2018 No.11751185 >>11751144 >subvocalizing is inner speech That's what I said in my first post you insufferable cunt.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:45:43 2018 No.11751187 >>11751150 how do you even visualize something like an algorithm or heavy abstract stuff without talking to yourself? seems impossible

Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:45:53 2018 No.11751189

Oh wow, yet another statistically quantifiable category has been demonstrated by modern psychologu, and it too seems to suggest something (what, exactly?) very striking about the nature of human being...

Oh wow, yet another thread not about literature on the literature board...

Oh wow, a college educated readership interested in popular renderings of psychology research has found yet another way to deem the rest if humanity as scandelously dumb...

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:47:21 2018 No.11751198 >>11751182 I didnt make it past the first 30 pages of Sound and Fury either

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:49:06 2018 No.11751208 >>11751187 An algorithm is a terrible example since when I think about them I tend to visualize it like an object mechanistically. When it comes to any high level concepts though you're right though

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:50:24 2018 No.11751210 >>11751198 I'm in as far as Faulkers self insert chasing around some Italian bitch. I know its not all Benjy

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 22:59:07 2018 No.11751240 File: 43 KB, 720x312, IMG_20180908_035804.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Very enlightening reading idiots explaining themselves on this

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:00:20 2018 No.11751243 >>11751024 i dont believ ethat

Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:02:56 2018 No.11751258

>>11751243
Look up responses to it by normies. Most of them are actively confused by what inner dialogue actually is, that they never even experienced it. At best they say its something you have to really force yourself to do
The numbers are in and brainlets can't hide anymore

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:03:33 2018 No.11751261 whoah, i didn't know serbs were THIS handsome

Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:07:29 2018 No.11751282

>>11751258
can confirm, used to think in, like, intuitional flashes is the best way I can describe it. like a weird thought soup of images and feelings.

after years of inner work and tons of reading I think verbally constantly no problem, my writing's improved, my thoughts have improved, clearer, more precise, things click faster, dense, abstract philosophy's is far more palatable than it used to be, etc. just gotta work for it.

Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:08:24 2018 No.11751284

I have in mind that I am probably a little bit of schizo, because since a very young age I talk and engage in monologues consciously in my mind.
When I am surrounded by people I analyze the situation as if I was talking to myself but I speak in my mind. I describe some details that were probably subtle, I interpret them and I draw a picture - verbally, in a literary way sometimes - of that.
When I used to smoke weed, I loved to smoke alone because I could talk (now not in mind, but uttering the words) a lot to myself, I could literally spend a few hours analyzing experiences, composing some new thoughts and perspectives.
I genuinely thought it was very common to a certain extent, I find it to be quite sad and improbable that it is a minority that engage in similar situations as described.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:10:36 2018 No.11751294 File: 302 KB, 490x457, 1531947471853.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does anybody else talk to an imaginary person in their head instead of themselves? Not in like a schizo way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:11:10 2018 No.11751296 >>11751284 Schizophrenia is a good parrelel to this concept. And its well established schizophrenia is more common among intelligent people

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:11:34 2018 No.11751299 >>11751258 so can I become a normie by regressing back to this stage somehow?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:13:14 2018 No.11751308 >>11751299 Yes. It probably results in more instinctive reactions and higher focus on surroundings. The more animalistic mindset they recommend in "just be yourself"

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:13:15 2018 No.11751309 >>11751258 is this why normies are so fascinated by cbt?

Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:15:57 2018 No.11751317

How would this affect your ability to read? In my mind a little voice sounds out each word and little pictures are constructed from the structure of the language. This happens completely automatically so I couldn't even stop it from happening if I tried.

Do other people have really slow brains, so they have to stop at each few words and strain their brain to assemble an image in their mind, or are the little images in their head just really vague and undetailed?

I know this isn't related to inner voice but it sort of is. If you can't make detailed pictures in your head, you probably can't construct detailed inner speech, which would explain why some people have to speak out loud in order to get the proper amount of detail or w/e (akin to looking at illustrations instead of using imagination).

Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:16:34 2018 No.11751323

>>11751294
without butchering formal terms, I'd say my inner monologue is usually between my higher order, rational self and the embodiment of my base fears/desires/instincts. usually the former telling the later to shut the fuck up and act like a fucking respectable human being. Only exceptions are when I'm trying to piece together some scientific puzzle then it's just first self talking to himself.

Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:20:17 2018 No.11751339

>>11751309
I'm beginning to think so, some of the things they recommend there ONLY make sense if you're a blank head who only cognivizes when forced
I once had a psychologist unironically tell me that if you're having positive thoughts and negative counters-thoughts about something you should try end the dialogue on an odd number so the positive thought is the last one

Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:22:01 2018 No.11751350

>>11751294

Sometimes I feel like I'm arbitrating between Archons that have wagered on various human virtues, and I'm trying to conceive of a truthful statement that can sate them both. In simpler moments I try to pitch a vision that could unite a leftist and a rightist. It's a fun exercise.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:25:43 2018 No.11751375 so normalfags are literal subhumans who would've thought? lmfao

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:29:21 2018 No.11751391 >>11751119 i thought lit would be smart enough to see this

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:29:55 2018 No.11751394 >>11751294 My inner dialogue is often between two imaginary people Shit, I'm nuts

Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:33:27 2018 No.11751418

>>11751299
>>11751308

This is interesting. There's something to be said for instinct, for trusting in your intuition. As a self-talker, I've found my auto-talk is often inhibitory, paralyzing me in the throes of whatever concepts I'm trying to sort out in the air. There's many things that became clear to me once I shut up the self speech and let something else emerge. I don't know if I could distinguish this from the deadening "just be yourself" heuristic. I think especially terrifying things, moving through a moonlit forest, hiding from people, fighting people or animals, these all are deeply disquieting. Your inner speech could get you killed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:34:00 2018 No.11751421 >>11751309 ? cock and ball torture?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:36:10 2018 No.11751430 >>11751109 literally me

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:36:35 2018 No.11751436 File: 168 KB, 523x720, 83e.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] having to verbalize your thoughts is literally the #1 sign of low iq >>11751187 Think of a circle. Are you thinking in words?

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>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:37:12 2018 No.11751442 >>11751111 quads don't lie

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:37:55 2018 No.11751449 >>11751024 why is this shit being shilled on every board? someone is trying to make channers retreat into narcissistic misanthropy even further than they already have. this study is SEVEN YEARS OLD. hide these threads.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:46:57 2018 No.11751493 >>11751436 People who have to verbalize their thoughts do so exactly because they're incapable of inner speech idiot

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:49:13 2018 No.11751499 File: 36 KB, 680x765, 1447862626857.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11751478 >how would you be able to speak without thinking the whole sentence in your head first? how indeed

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:49:25 2018 No.11751501 >>11751449 Unironically, its because Elon Musk suggested there are real life NPCs on the Joe Rogan podcast

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:51:20 2018 No.11751507 File: 37 KB, 800x649, flat,800x800,075,f.u4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11751440 >>11751478 >I just FEEL it bro

Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:54:28 2018 No.11751522

>>11751350
> I feel like I'm arbitrating between Archons that have wagered on various human virtues,
interesting microcosm. Usually I just feel like a tired old plantation owner who has to walk around his expansive yet spatially disjointed life, maintaining every part of the grounds to keep it from going to ruins. It's a big fucking plantation it seems and my greed compels me to keep expanding it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:08:29 2018 No.11751585 >>11751339 >if you're having positive thoughts and negative counters-thoughts about something you should try end the dialogue on an odd number so the positive thought is the last one Wait, what? Why would someone do this, it hardly makes sense.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:09:43 2018 No.11751592 >>11751478 /lit/, the 2nd layer of abstraction of reddit. We reddit reddit.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:12:58 2018 No.11751612

This is on topic. Does /lit/ want to play a little game?
Here is an exercise from Gurdjieff:

Count to 3 over and over again--- sub-vocalizing it.
Now, at the same time, recite a poem or something with your inner voice, independent of the speech apparatus which is at the same time busy sub-vocalizing 1, 2, 3... etc.

Well /lit/ are you a p-zombie?

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:13:55 2018 No.11751616

>>11751294
i'm almost always having an inner dialogue with one or two imaginary people (and i mean 90% of the time) but i know they aren't real and i don't mistake it for reality. i don't think it makes you crazy, its just a good way of thinking, having a dialogue with someone that thinks differently than you(within the closed system of the self, of course)

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:14:21 2018 No.11751619 >>11751258 >>11751339 What the fuck are you talking about? You don't have "POSITIVE" or "NEGATIVE" thoughts in the first place if you don't have some schizo inner monologue going on in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:15:13 2018 No.11751622 >>11751024 Sub-vocalizers confirmed as real human beans, non-vocalizers confirmed as NPCs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:15:49 2018 No.11751624 >>11751612 Does it count as inner voice if I just hear fdr saying "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself" while I count from 1 to 3?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:16:24 2018 No.11751626 >>11751619 What? People have thoughts which affect them badly, and thoughts which make them feel good etc. It does not have to be in monologue, just a reminder of something you feel bad about is enough to constitute a negative thought.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:17:22 2018 No.11751629 >>11751626 CBT is specifically about self-TALK. It's literally for people who have incessant monologue going on in their heads.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:17:57 2018 No.11751633

>>11751624

41. The attempt to use the formatory apparatus as a muscle, directly and independent of sub-vocalizing (inner talk).

42. The attempt to repeat a poem and a series of numbers simultaneously, using formatory apparatus for the poem, the vocalizing apparatus for the numbers.

Maybe, here's the original text.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:19:16 2018 No.11751636 >>11751629 Never looked much into CBT. Seems like meditation would do the same trick.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:19:32 2018 No.11751637 >>11751629 it's for people who are capable of understanding internal monologue, but the way that people talk of it as some profound revelation "holy shit I can just TELL myself to stop being negative" makes it seem like they don't do it very often

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:19:56 2018 No.11751638 >talking to yourself without first person I hope you guys don't do this

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:21:55 2018 No.11751642 >>11751294 Yes, she's my waifu.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:23:50 2018 No.11751651 >>11751619 Its incredibly stupid I know. But this is the type of naive nonsense the dominant practice in contemporary psychology is based on

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:26:01 2018 No.11751663 How do yall do your inner speech? When I'm sitting around, doing nothing, I usually think with monologues. But at other times such as when I'm walking or working I only think with single unconnected works and my logical reasoning connects them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:27:50 2018 No.11751665 >>11751619 positive = promoting a conception of self in line with cultural conception of social success negative = thinking of yourself in terms contrary to cultural conception of success

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:29:20 2018 No.11751671

>>11751663
The most normal form is I'm either giving myself a lecture or giving an expressive account of how I'm viewing my life. It's usually dependent on what I'm thinking about but its usually a matter of framing questions and coming to conclusions and working off them towards others

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:30:28 2018 No.11751675 >>11751665 What culture. I can switch between several at once all with completely different conceptions of success

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:31:31 2018 No.11751679

I remember being a kid and thinking once in the bathroom "this is real, This is REAL, THIS IS REAL" and BOOM a sudden self awareness hit me like no other.
15 years later that same thing happened to me (10x worse) and I still get sudden bursts of horror.
How fucked up am I?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:31:55 2018 No.11751681 >>11751675 hence "cultural conception of success". prolly should've said predominant (upper middle class) cultural conception to be more clear.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:32:09 2018 No.11751682 File: 1.25 MB, 320x288, unnamed.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11751093 >being this predictable >t. 74% 56% /pol/ automaton Go assemble a car you fuckin chromeskin

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:33:48 2018 No.11751688 >>11751681 Oh right so its basically just pure ideological mind control. Makes sense

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:34:20 2018 No.11751690
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An inner monologue is not you. It is the ego. It is an outside entity that feeds of of your indecision/anxiety/sadness/anger/suffering and so on. It tries to hide in plain sight, "Who? Me? Nope. I don't exist." This is how it keeps you enslaved, or in the cave as Plato would put it. It convinces you that it does not exist. As >>11751052 put it, those who openly admit that they have an inner monologue are already mindless slaves to the demiurge. You don't have to do anything. You don't have to be who "they" want you to be. To be or not to be, that is the question. So, will you be? Or will you let the inner voice convince you to do something that leaves you unfulfilled?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:34:26 2018 No.11751691 >>11751294 Explaining concepts you already know to yourself mentally as if you were teaching a stranger is pretty fun desu

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:34:51 2018 No.11751693 >>11751682 He's not wrong though. Non-whites will definately report lowest on this Sorry if this hurts your subhuman """feelings"""

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:35:52 2018 No.11751697 >>11751612 i'll probably give this a try later where's it from

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:36:36 2018 No.11751700 >>11751690 so are you saying it's the female animus but for males?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:39:07 2018 No.11751706 >>11751693 >non-whites report lowest Article please, my good man. >subhuman feelings I'm white (not a Jew so don't fuckin t. Me), just capable of thinking beyond the /pol/ feed-tube, probably as a result of my inner-consciousness.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:40:06 2018 No.11751712 >>11751706 t. cryptojew

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:41:39 2018 No.11751718 >>11751024 What is so important about the quality of inner speech, and why is it so desirable compared to other forms of processing?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:42:06 2018 No.11751720 >>11751706 Yeah like a psychojew institute is going to allow a study like that. Its just basic inference intelligence => race => inner life

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:42:12 2018 No.11751722 >>11751690 What if you invent a tulpa that consumes your ego like a lichen eats a tree and the universe accepts this arrangement so long as you concede to become whatever monster its darkest dynamics require to maintain the greater harmonies?

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:42:55 2018 No.11751728
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>>11751700
I am saying that a human in their natural state does not have what we, as a collective, refer to "thoughts". A true thought is never derisive, it never promulgates guilt, it just is. You desire something and so you act. Simple as that. There is no need to confer with this "inner dialogue", you just do. Conferring with your monologue is analogous to overthinking everything and trying to force intent or meaning onto something which has none. Namely, reality. The voice inside your head is an external being, an Archon that seeks to subjugate you by forcing it's will upon you, rather than your native intuition. It will also likely try to convince you that what I am saying is bullshit.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:44:44 2018 No.11751734
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>>11751722
Then you have literally sold your soul to a demon. And by demon I am simply referring to something not of this physical dimension. After all, they are able to communicate with us telepathically, no? Also, not all entities are malicious, but none can be fully trusted.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:44:51 2018 No.11751736 >>11751697 Gurdjieff's 48 exercises.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:47:31 2018 No.11751743

>>11751712
>he didn't provide the source
>he still called me a jew
Boring and predictable.

>>11751720
>squirming out of providing a source like that
Jew behavior.
>admitring that you straight-up lied about the non-white thing
Surprisingly honest. Well done, mutt. Just remember for next time, feels < reals.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:47:34 2018 No.11751744

>>11751728
Hey, its a double edged sword. It can be 'captured' and used like any other technology, with sufficient mindfulness and other techniques. Ironically the way you can do this is by 'using' it against itself, forming reminders, paying attention to it, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:50:05 2018 No.11751755 >>11751743 >if you don't have a source for something it isn't true This is what being a p-zombie looks like. A mere social existence. No capacity for honest thought

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:51:44 2018 No.11751759
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>>11751744
No. It must be eradicated in order to have humanity ascend into godhood. The person convincing you that it can be captured and used to some end IS IT ITSELF. Don't listen to it's lies. It will only lead to suffering.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:51:57 2018 No.11751762 >>11751728 that's an animal existance. Probably superior to a nihilist/absurdist existence, but there are better ways. Everything should have meaning, but that meaning should always be beautiful.

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>>11751718
>>11751121

These beaus get it

>>11751024

op u stupid

puzzles assemble theyselves in my brain visually

I've no need 4 ya subvocal whininess. Everyone I see like that gets astracted from wut is at hand

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:53:38 2018 No.11751772

>>11751743
Those of Sub-Saharn African descent are simply not naturally endowed with intelligence, and that's okay; intelligence is not virtue in itself. They are however endowed with many other qualities of which they should be proud of; spirit, vigor, a charisma of the common sorts to name a few

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:53:48 2018 No.11751773

>>11751743

>drone detected

I used to think Cannibalism was abhorrent but now I understand why the Clintons eat people like you to stay healthy. Its not just about power and sadism but its kinda funny to think of a creature in the form of a human but as intelligent as a Warcraft peasant. Imagine if there's a future invention that illuminates thoughtless sapient cattle with bright auras so you can adjust how you interact with them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:55:22 2018 No.11751777 >>11751773 anon you responded too was dumb but you're just being pathetic now

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:55:23 2018 No.11751778 >>11751759 Oh of course, life is inherently suffering. If your goal is some Gnosis or Nibbana, then by all means, eradicate it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:55:26 2018 No.11751779 >>11751690 I'd say that the only one attempting to enslave here is you

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:55:41 2018 No.11751780 why do you guys have issues computing p zombies assuming they're a thing why is it a meltdown

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:56:01 2018 No.11751781 >>11751772 Their cervix-busting truncheons that are medically classified as penises seem to be a sequel to the vestigial penii that cling to the torsos of Europeans and Asians.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:57:29 2018 No.11751786
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>>11751762
Humans are animals. Period. Any attempt to convince you otherwise is the ego's lies.

>>11751779
See everybody? I come in here to free you, and the ego convinces you that you are being enslaved. It's literally doublespeak: "Freedom is Slavery"

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:58:33 2018 No.11751789

Have an essay. It's hosted on Facebook because that's where you retards belong.

http://sapir.psych.wisc.edu/~lupyan/blake_ross_aphantasia.pdf

https://www.memebook.com/notes/blake-ross/aphantasia-how-it-feels-to-be-blind-in-your-mind/10156834777480504/

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 00:58:51 2018 No.11751790

>>11751779
>who is the real me though?
That's the whole crux of the issue. Are you your feels, or are you your superego/inner voice? Since it's only 2-3 entities max (you also have to consider your subconcious self that communicates to you through dreams). I say the best way is some sort of council of minds rather than choosing one over the other as tyrant.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:00:13 2018 No.11751795 >>11751786 humans are only animals when we think of ourselves as animals. It's a stupid fucking mindset that will only hurt you. Stop degrading yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:01:15 2018 No.11751798 >>11751781 If anything they're a prequal; seeing as Caucasians and Asians evolved from Sub-Saharan African populations.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:01:35 2018 No.11751799 >>11751795 This. There is no single thing animal to begin with anyway. There are mammals and there are proto-bacterium. Its pretty clear what separates meaningless life blobs from life worthy of respect

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:02:05 2018 No.11751803 >>11751790 Anatta, my nigga.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:04:36 2018 No.11751808 >>11751786 The only enslaving ego in this room is you buddy. You are using pop culture terms and ideas that limit the infinite potential of a soul. whilst decrying me as enemy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:05:31 2018 No.11751809 >>11751803 CHING CHONG NO THINK FOR SELF THINK FOR SELF BAD DING DONG CHING WU This is why the East is a shithole and will always be subservient to the brave individual souls of the West

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:05:37 2018 No.11751810
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>>11751755
Holy shit you may be the slimiest fucker I've encountered on this board.
>why won't you believe my baseless accusations?
You sound like a child. Do you not understand the concept of the burden of proof?
>non-whites report lowest
>yeah where did you hear that from?
>I just assumed it
>probably not true then
>just because I assumed it doesn't mean it's not true!
Utterly pathetic. What's to stop some Asian fucker from assuming whites score lower than Asians and now that's true? Is it true? I have about as much reason to believe him as I do with you.
You call me the philosophical zombie but you're saying nothing I haven't heard a hundred times before.

>>11751772
Irrelevant to my comment. I don't care about the virtues or lack thereof of SSA.

>>11751773
>>>/x/

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:06:29 2018 No.11751811 >>11751809 Have you read any Buddhist or Daoist philosophy?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:06:57 2018 No.11751812 >>11751808 >Thinking that there is a soul

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:07:49 2018 No.11751819 >>11751803 nah, more like the trinity. God exists but is not the father, son or holy spirit. I exist as a soul but I am not my inner voice, my concious feels, or my subconcious dreams and images.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:07:56 2018 No.11751820

>>11751810
>What's to stop some Asian fucker from assuming whites score lower than Asians and now that's true?

Because reality exists and such a conception eventually falters when it fails to hold water in their own minds. Hence why Asians worship white people, they know the deal and have long accepted it

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:08:51 2018 No.11751823 >>11751819 >God exists but is not the father, son or holy spirit Wrong, he is the father, the son and the holy spirit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:09:18 2018 No.11751825 >>11751823 yeah but he isn't either individually

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:10:46 2018 No.11751830 >>11751811 Yeah, its all dumb anti-life shit to help bugmen cope

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:12:16 2018 No.11751837 >>11751819 >I exist as a soul but I am not my inner voice, my concious feels, or my subconcious dreams and images. How is your soul judged then? If you strip the soul to pure dasein of a sorts, it becomes anatta, a self referencing nothing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:14:09 2018 No.11751841 >>11751837 it exists in a higher realm, it just has three distinct manifestations in this one. you're taking the dot product and saying it's zero when you should be taking the cross product

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:14:29 2018 No.11751842 >>11751830 That's not what dasein is at all you fucking idiot

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:15:21 2018 No.11751845 >>11751825 There are God as Individuals, there are 3 as 1. But yeah he is not divided between 3.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:15:41 2018 No.11751847

>>11751830

What have you read? Have you looked into any of the methods? Have you anything to say about Buddhist ontology?

>to help bugmen cope
I don't see these types of people legitimately practicing anything from Eastern systems, aside from some superficial stuff.

>anti-life
What do you mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:15:43 2018 No.11751846 >>11751837 That's not what dasein is at all you fucking idiot

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:16:54 2018 No.11751853

So you are telling me there are people that do not contemplate as in:
just read an interesting idea about St. Augustine. He describes that past and future are not measurable and that only the present measures the time....and you don't contemplate this idea and try to draw conclusions in your head?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:17:24 2018 No.11751855 >>11751846 Plug in being for itself, if that irks you. >>11751841 You're not making much sense man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:17:34 2018 No.11751856 >>11751795 There is no thinking to do. You already are an animal.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:18:35 2018 No.11751860

>>11751820
Except there are Asian and Black supremacist groups out there, so the idea can clearly hold water in some. The Greeks and Romans saw themselves as superior to Northern Europeans. If I'm simply to assume that if it being believed then it is true, then I have to accept many contradictory beliefs as true, which you can't do, obviously.
>Asians worship white people
Many Asians are obsessed with western culture. Many Americans are obsessed with Japanese culture.
I swear all these arguments of yours lead back to "I feel it so it's true".

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:19:08 2018 No.11751861 >>11751856 There are no animals, only atoms

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:20:15 2018 No.11751862 >>11751294 Yeah I also sometimes just think to myself, but mostly it's as if I'm having a conversation with someone else, usually a hypothetical therapist desu

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:20:44 2018 No.11751864
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>>11751855
soul exists as a single entity that can be "judged" but it isn't simply composed of inner voice, or base instincts. I'm proposing that It's a complicated cross product type function of these things.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:20:53 2018 No.11751865

>>11751860
>I swear all these arguments of yours lead back to "I feel it so it's true".

Which is literally all you're saying. I'm not purporting to be making statements of undeniability only statements of truth, you can accept the truth or you can not it means nothing to me since what is reality will come back around to you eventually

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:23:57 2018 No.11751871 >>11751688 psychiatry/psychology is ideology the definition of mental illness is any impairment that prevents you from properly functioning in society. it culls divergent thinking

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:24:22 2018 No.11751876

>>11751860
Americans for the most part don't wear kimonos. The vast majority of japanese wear suits. I don't agree with anon that whites are inherently superior though. Ironically the modern idea of racism and opression is what makes whites effectively superior in the now since it's an admission that minorities can't challenge whites on their own and need them to voluntarily give up power.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:24:26 2018 No.11751877 >>11751865 You made the initial statement that non-whites and women score lower. I asked for evidence. You had none. Therefore, I don't believe you. If you had evidence, I would believe you. Is any of what I've just written untrue?

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:26:10 2018 No.11751885

>>11751864

Does the soul have an independent existence?

>I'm proposing that It's a complicated cross product type function of these things.

So ''you'' are a product of the soul in corporeal form. What is the soul then? The thing which observes through the sense organs? Does the soul have desires, are the desires caused by the corporeal form? Are people with antisocial personality disorder, just endowed with ''bad souls''? The constitution of their body makes them sinners from the start. How is their soul to be judged then?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:26:19 2018 No.11751886 >>11751861 Now you're getting it : )

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:27:36 2018 No.11751891 >>11751877 >Therefore, I don't believe you. Eh OK cool. Might want to put it on your blog. Doesn't stop it being true

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:29:26 2018 No.11751898 >>11751856 There are no instincts to be followed. Animals are already sentient.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:39:56 2018 No.11751922 >>11751891 >its true because I say so Is that all you have?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:45:21 2018 No.11751942 >>11751922 Sorry we don't decide things here by upvotes. You have to figure things out for yourself

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:46:35 2018 No.11751947 >>11751942 opboated my friend. have some reddit silver to on me!

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:46:43 2018 No.11751948 >>11751086 I love how many names we've generated for "non critical thinkers" over the last month. The NPC meme is getting big on other boards as well.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:47:40 2018 No.11751951 >>11751948 midwit will always be the best insult I've ever come across on this board. Good enough to use irl.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:48:11 2018 No.11751952 >>11751898 That sentience is instinct silly. :P

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:49:47 2018 No.11751955 File: 20 KB, 470x313, images (96).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11751942 >its all he has >le reddit comeback

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:50:46 2018 No.11751956 >>11751690 books for this feel? Eckhart?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:51:03 2018 No.11751957 >>11751955 Yeah come back to me when niggers don't have 75 IQ. You've said a lot here to have said nothing at all

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:53:33 2018 No.11751963 File: 171 KB, 1600x1176, 37390385_10217626535601860_1011557883034206208_o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11751956 http://krishnamurti.abundanthope.org/index_htm_files/U.G.-Krishnamurti-Mind-is-a-myth.pdf : )

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:57:05 2018 No.11751977 File: 245 KB, 450x349, 1536276577664.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11751957 >/pol/ brings out the tired IQ meme again So Asians were the superior race after all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:57:49 2018 No.11751980 >>11751121 >>11751718 >>11751768 Language is necessary for higher levels of thought.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:58:03 2018 No.11751982

I used to have a much stronger running monologue in my head but I feel like in the last year or so it's gotten much less frequent. My anxiety and depression have also gone down in that time; I feel like the inner monologue is not so much a marker of intelligence as an obsessive neurotic tendency. I'm no less smart but a lot happier without constantly running through cyclical thoughts and endless worrying, and have time to focus on other things

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:59:59 2018 No.11751985 >>11751977 >higher iq means superiority in general Most easterners are soulless, anon. Also the jews literally have the highest iqs. why do you think they're so feared?

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:01:29 2018 No.11751988

>>11751977
There is a 0% chance that studies of asian IQ accurately represent asia as a whole rather than pre-selected members of the bureaucratic class, or (if taken in the west) self selected groups smart enough to figure out the immigration process. Everyone in academia knows they cheat like it was a virtue.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:02:01 2018 No.11751991 >>11751980 No. That is the ego talking. Higher levels of thought without inner speech is a threat to the ego's mechanism of control.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:02:52 2018 No.11751994

>>11751977
Yeah whatever. Point is from the very beginning some people have significantly less of a mental life than others and intelligence among other factors is what determines it.
Ipso facto niggers have far less chance of having a mental life beyond imagistic monkey thing
Asians are mentally stunted for other reasons which are more nuanced and due to their insectoid communo-neurology though certainly leagues ahead of other non-whites

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:03:58 2018 No.11751996 >>11751994 *imagistic monkey think

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:04:50 2018 No.11751999 File: 36 KB, 323x499, 5139D2ZRRNL._SX321_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11751963 looks...interesting, never judge a book by it's cover though

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:08:48 2018 No.11752011 >>11751612 i could do it, does that make me a p-zombie?

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:10:09 2018 No.11752017

>>11751985
IQ isn't a basis for superiority. That was my whole point, that Blacks having IQs of 75 doesn't mean anything.
>most easterners are soulless
People foreign to you are soulless in general. I'm Mediterranean and Nordics and the Chinese seem like soulless godless degenerates to me, but I understand that that's just my emotions.

>>11751994
>pseudoscience: the post

>>11751988
This just goes to show that IQ statistics are flawed in general.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:14:21 2018 No.11752033 >>11751024 That's fucking impossible. There's no way 74% of the world is literally retarded

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:15:16 2018 No.11752037 >>11752011 Naw, ya did good anon.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:15:54 2018 No.11752038

>>11752017
>Blacks having IQs of 75 doesn't mean anything.

Of course it fucking does. It means they literally do not have the capability to think like we do (or at least I do). Same way a dog can't. Its not that hard to grasp and its knowledge we implicitly operate on all the time. If someone with 75 IQ was given to you to perform a task like being a therapist or your lawyer you would be outraged and immediately try to dissociate from them

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:19:47 2018 No.11752047 >>11751991 Stirner never argued that >Higher levels of thought without inner speech is a threat to the ego's mechanism of control

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:21:44 2018 No.11752051 >>11752038 It doesn't mean anything intrinsic about the black race, I mean. My bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:22:05 2018 No.11752053 >>11752047 I don't think he was referring to Stirner.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:22:52 2018 No.11752057 >>11752047 Literally who? I'm talking on behalf of myself, not some tweed coat wearing academic faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:25:12 2018 No.11752062 >>11752051 >that's all true but it doesn't "mean" anything Literal double think

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:31:08 2018 No.11752070

Has anyone else noticed that their internal thoughts can be hijacked by certain phrases? What i mean is that, after spending too much time on 4chan, one will automatically say "Based" in their mind as a kind of reflex. But i think it's more sinister, in that it replaces any actual substantial content of thought with mindless repetition of a pre-set word or sentiment. I wonder if that is why it is sometimes so easy to predict what certain people will say—they're trapped in a heuristic prison which spits up the same phrase over-and-over again.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:35:35 2018 No.11752080

>>11752070
In the business we call these memes (or mind viruses)
Normies do it all the time too but its just become so much part of the social-cognitive background noise we don't even notice it unless under critical inspection, its just more obvious with phrases from more isolated sub-cultures

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:36:57 2018 No.11752082 This thread is reddit af.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:41:02 2018 No.11752096

>>11752070
If the brain works holographically, Any image phrase or idea can be called to mind instantaneously with a key.

Eg. Smelling a ladies perfume (key) = a childhood memory that you havn't thought of in 25 years being recalled.

That is why I dont watch tv because they will say phrases that are emphasised and then have some thing violent or stupid or silly immediately after or during. Associating those two things on your brain.

Then when you hear the phrase irl instead of being a serious or just plain decent human being. You might just say something fucking atrocious

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:43:37 2018 No.11752099 >>11752096 Applying that to TV while still posting here is a massive breach in logic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:44:42 2018 No.11752101 >>11751024 serbs are literally turks lmao

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:45:09 2018 No.11752104 >>11752099 I skim past the comments where people are being doofi

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:46:38 2018 No.11752108 >>11751728 Dogs can feel guilty stupid cunt

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:50:17 2018 No.11752116 >>11751691 THIS desu

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:50:51 2018 No.11752118 >>11752062 >throwing 1984 buzzwords around >can't even use them properly IQ is flawed and doesn't measure intelligence in a way that isn't affected by wealth and culture.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:51:47 2018 No.11752121 >>11751853 doesn’t mean anything to me

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:54:05 2018 No.11752125
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>>11752108
Did I ever say they cannot? Guilt stems from an action. It is usually the ego that scolds a dog into feeling guilt. There is no guilt in the natural world. Dogs can piss where they want, eat what they want, and there is no egoic human trying to force it's will onto it. It is a form of control. To force another living creature to do as you please, like feel guilt, is the negative energy that the entity known as the ego or the "conscience" feeds off of. There is no guilt in nature. It just is. No one knows enough to be blamed. Thanks for calling me a cunt though, that anger is the ego talking, and it exposes itself ridiculously easily.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:54:53 2018 No.11752128

>>11752118
>double think
>holding two contradictory thoughts as true
Perfectly appropriate use of the term. Yeah IQ isn't perfect but its definately good enough so that you'd have to be a legitimate retard yourself to accept a lawyer or a doctor with 75 IQ

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:55:56 2018 No.11752129 >>11752118 >and doesn't measure intelligence in a way that isn't affected by wealth and culture Is it pseud hour? That difference doesn't go away when using culture fair test. Nor does it disappear when controlling for SES.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:58:27 2018 No.11752132

>>11752125
I’m just so sick of people like you. You don’t recognize how dangerous and degenerate you are. You don’t know the damage you could do. Just like the rest of the Buddhists you’re cocooned into your smug simplicity. It’s fucking obnoxious. Some of us care about things. Things matter. If they didn’t you wouldn’t have taken the time to try and educate me about how much everything just IS.... people don’t understand

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:58:33 2018 No.11752133 >>11751024 If all you have is some text-to-speech subvocalizing going on your head constantly like an inner monologue that deals with things in binary language that literally means you have no ability for abstract thought

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 02:58:34 2018 No.11752134 >>11752128 Explain the two statements I had that are in contradiction.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:01:06 2018 No.11752142 >>11752134 That IQ doesn't "mean" anything and yet is a HIGHLY strong indicator of intellectual competance?

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:01:21 2018 No.11752143

>>11752132
>Just like the rest of the Buddhists you’re cocooned into your smug simplicity. It’s fucking obnoxious. Some of us care about things.

Nigga, you do realize that the notion of karma, to them, implies that their actions will echo into *eternity*? Half of the shit they practice is contingent on being mindful of this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:01:29 2018 No.11752146 >>11752128 >a lawyer or a doctor t. someone who never had a chance to understand the critique of IQ testing (esp. w/r/t WISC).

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:02:12 2018 No.11752147
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>>11752132
Keep talking ego. Try to apply your labels to me to no avail. I am not a Buddhist. I am just me. "Degeneracy" is a false idea. The more you try to eradicate "degeneracy" the more it will grow. One cannot live effortlessly with effort. One cannot sate their lust permanently by jacking off. You cannot tell other people what to do. Ever. "Degeneracy" will exist until you understand this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:02:20 2018 No.11752148 >>11751024 This can't be right

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:03:11 2018 No.11752152 >>11752125 Imagine someone being such a weakling that they brainwash themselves into being intellectual amoebas because "waaaaaaaah if I care about stuff then I hurt waaaaaaah"

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:03:17 2018 No.11752153 >>11752146 Not an argument

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:04:14 2018 No.11752157 >>11752152 Read >>11752153

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:04:14 2018 No.11752158 >>11752147 >mindless platitudes

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:05:16 2018 No.11752161 >>11752153 Your mindless platitudes aren't arguments either. They're just statements that are barely truth-apt.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:06:41 2018 No.11752164 >>11752157 >>11752161 And not an argument was seen that day

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:12:18 2018 No.11752173

>>11752152

If you are again referencing some eastern philosophy here, then, man you are really wrong. First of all, brainwashing is not really a thing at all, coercion and influence exist, but the popular conception of brainwashing is a myth, really.

>"waaaaaaaah if I care about stuff then I hurt waaaaaaah"

Why are you calling some random on an imageboard a cunt? Why are you making such an exaggerated post, do you care about things strongly and feel them assaulted by the words of this anon, when he has not even mentioned anything of the sort?

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:13:32 2018 No.11752174

>>11751024
I don't think so. I hear you fags say this shit a lot but even individuals who appear as though they're automatons (to me) show sparks of intelligence and complexity obviously displaying the fact that they're a legitimate person, as conscious as any other. Are you sure you aren't the blind and automatic one, who just can't look at the world deeply?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:14:26 2018 No.11752176 >>11752173 I can just smell the soi from this post

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:15:25 2018 No.11752179
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>>11752173
It's the ego's survival mechanism kicking in to save itself. It's is a living creature like you and I, and as such it will do everything it can to survive and continue to exert control over you. He's not to blame for his words, just his inability to evict the ego.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:16:44 2018 No.11752184 >>11752176 >Wants logical arguments >Uses ad hominem

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:18:46 2018 No.11752188

>>11752174

Everyone is an automaton in part. Even smart people. Think how often you act mechanistically throughout the day. Using set phrases, exhibiting set reactions etc. Things stemming from socialization and influence in synthesis with your genetic base etc. What really separates people in this manner, as far as I have seen, is how much they pay attention.

I'm not using really scientific or proper psychological terminology here, but you get what I mean I hope.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:18:50 2018 No.11752189 >>11752184 >everyone responding to me is the same person Sign of mentally unhinged

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:21:28 2018 No.11752197 >>11752070 This is how thinking functions in general. The difference is mostly in the amount, complexity, and self-reflectiveness of a individual's set of memes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:21:31 2018 No.11752198 >>11752179 >let me present cognitively derived arguments to express linguistically abstract concepts towards trying to show that I'm right Nah you're full of shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:22:07 2018 No.11752200 >>11752176 ? >>11752179 If you 'evict the ego', you're gone man, you can't function in this word. The ego does not have a survival mechanism, it is a survival mechanism.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:22:25 2018 No.11752202
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>THE ROOT OF PERSONHOOD IS CONSCIOUSNESS.
>THE ROOT OF INDIVIDUALITY IS ENTITY.
>ALL CONSCIOUS ENTITIES ARE PERSONS, ALL PERSONS ARE INDIVIDUALS, ALL INDIVIDUALS ARE ENTITIES; NOT ALL ENTITIES ARE CONSCIOUS, NOT ALL INDIVIDUALS ARE PERSONS, NOT ALL ENTITIES ARE INDIVIDUALS.
>A PERSON IS A CONSCIOUS ENTITY; CONSCIOUS ENTITY CONSTITUTES PERSON.

Mundus Millennialis 159

>THE MONOLOGUE IS THE THEORETICAL ASPECT OF SPEECH; THE DIALOGUE IS THE EXECUTIVE ASPECT OF SPEECH; THE MONOLOGUE IS THE ASPECT OF SPEECH THAT IS CLOSER TO SOFIA, ESPECIALLY CONSCIOUS MONOLOGUE; CONSCIOUS MONOLOGUE IS THE VOICE OF SOFIA WITHIN EACH PERSON.

Mundus Millennialis 133

>ENTITIES WITH NO CONSCIOUSNESS ARE HABITUAL, PERFORMING THEIR QUOTIDIAN TASKS WITH ROTENESS; IN TIME, THROUGH REPETITION, THEIR HABITS TURN INTO CUSTOMS; IN TIME, THROUGH COMMONALITY, THEIR CUSTOMS TURN INTO NORMS; THROUGH GENERATIONS, THEIR NORMS ARE FORMALIZED INTO INSTITUTIONS; THROUGH GENERATIONS, THEIR INSTITUTIONS ARE PERPETUATED VIA TRADITION.

Mundus Millennialis 52

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:23:03 2018 No.11752204 >>11752198 You're beginning to get it but the ego is screaming at you "HE's FULL OF SHIT STOP LISTENING". One cannot use language to describe that which is indescribable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:24:30 2018 No.11752206 >>11752202 PLEASE TURN CAPS LOCK OFF THIS POST HURTS MY EYES BY HOW BIG AND OBNOXIOUS IT IS. IT'S LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO SHOUT OVER THE REST OF US.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:24:36 2018 No.11752207 >>11752204 Total non sequitur. Nice try but you've clearly reached your argumentative limit. Time to go find a new pseud philosophy

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:26:13 2018 No.11752210

>>11752207
No. I'm still here. It is the ego convincing you that I am at some sort of limit. You have yet to prove that I follow any philosophy at all. The anger you feel right now is caused by your ego. It's okay, we were meant to talk tonight, and it will help you in the long run. I love you friend.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:26:14 2018 No.11752211 >>11752202 Based REI

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:27:09 2018 No.11752213 >>11752210 Awesomesauce dude

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:27:27 2018 No.11752214 >>11752142 You will note that I corrected myself earlier, saying that it doesn't mean anything intrinsic about the Black race.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:28:04 2018 No.11752216 >>11752202 cringe and bluepilled

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:29:47 2018 No.11752221 Why is this so viral on 4chan all of a sudden? This article is from 2011.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:31:54 2018 No.11752226 >>11752221 See>>11751501

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:34:55 2018 No.11752233 >>11752226 Yo, link? Or at least the timestamp where they get into it.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:36:47 2018 No.11752241
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>>11752161
My Argument:
P1: You make claims on racial intelligence based on IQ
P2: IQ statistics are not a reliable basis for racial intelligence
P3: Claims without a reliable basis should not be taken seriously
C: Your claims on racial intelligence should not be taken seriously

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:42:11 2018 No.11752253

>>11752241
>IQ statistics are not a reliable basis for racial intelligence

They objectively are though. Like straight up you can query people on their perception of someone as intelligent or unintelligent and IQ will be the strongest predictor over ANY other isolated data by far. This goes for literally any other reasonable barometer for intelligence from life success to capacity to solve problems to ability to pass a degree

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:47:10 2018 No.11752264 >>11752253 Racial intelligence. Each race is subject to different factors that affect how they perform in IQ tests and, as such, IQ scores can't become the end-all of the intellectual capacity of a race.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 03:53:56 2018 No.11752275

>>11752264
Luckily there have been plenty of experiments to test this and it has been shown time and time again that circumstance does not play a huge role in IQ. A black child raised by white parents will still strongly underperform against his white peers and seperated twin studies have shown that it takes five entire standard deviations of background quality in order to reach just a single standard deviation in intelligence. Literally having to resort to vast squalor and nutritional deprivation to get even just a slight advantage.

Its not the end all and nothing is but its pretty fucking close enough to not even warrent reconsideration when the difference is so clear and strong
Niggers as a race are inherently dumber than whites. They evolved under very different conditions of selection and all the data bears this out

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 04:03:18 2018 No.11752291

At least I’m not alone in this fact. I thought it was a side-effect of my childhood or something. I frequently talk to myself, create other manifestations to discuss my past or various subjects I’m interested in, have created a dozens worlds; it’s all a bit overwhelming at times, all these thoughts happen simultaneously and consistently throughout the day it’s like watching 5+ scenarios happening at the same time while discussing them with the other parts of me, or just other voices that are there. Idk if anyone else feels the same but it’s really good for creating stories

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 04:05:09 2018 No.11752299 >>11751024 >sample of 30 students from a large urban university >It basically proves You have no right to talk about how stupid the average person is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 04:06:22 2018 No.11752304 >it's /lit/ trying into /sci/ episode absolutely yikes

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 04:08:50 2018 No.11752314 >>11752299 As if that wouldn't just make it way worse when you look at the general population

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 04:35:11 2018 No.11752356 >>11751690 I don't know. I think I'm on the side of this enslaving inner voice. I relate to him a lot and find him endearing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 04:40:55 2018 No.11752373 >>11751123 the author denies this claim in the next paragraph. bravo brainlet

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 04:53:55 2018 No.11752400 >>11751164 The fact that only 27% of people don't have self awarness proves my thesis on driving in america

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 04:55:11 2018 No.11752407 >>11752400 *people have self awarness

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:01:26 2018 No.11752419 File: 70 KB, 770x760, 1487866605553.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] My inner dialogue is with my id and super-ego.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:05:18 2018 No.11752426

>>11751728
Inner dialogue is an analytical tool that is supposed to supplement your thoughts, to support them by being woven into them if necessary, or to serve as a means for your consciousness to become aware of your thoughts. Problems that you describe start when one thinks that inner dialogue is primary to the unvocalised thoughts, while it clearly should be secondary. That's because inner monologue is prone to be shaped by external memes you pick from the environment, and if you follow it carelessly you will indeed be subjugated.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:07:03 2018 No.11752431 >>11751592 shit bro that's actually deep

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:07:43 2018 No.11752432 who else has both inner dialogue and strong visualization?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:08:50 2018 No.11752439 File: 476 KB, 472x1724, automaton3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11751063

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:10:58 2018 No.11752443 >>11751157 Why make this about gender, for fuck's sake? I guarantee you there are countless women out there who have far more inner awareness than virtually the entire population of /pol/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:12:02 2018 No.11752445 >>11751980 Language inhibits higher thought

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:13:48 2018 No.11752447 >>11751691 Yeah, this. It also legitimately helps in gaining a more solid understanding of the subject.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:14:32 2018 No.11752448 >>11751679 That happened to me when I smoked weed at 14. Felt like I 'woke up', was very intense. Haven't touched it since

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:15:12 2018 No.11752449 >>11751109 >you don't I have a 139IQ and I've reached the conclusion that reason is not a prerequisite of happiness if nothing I plan to do ends up done. Only pseuds care about OP's retarded shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:15:41 2018 No.11752450 >>11751501 Elon Musk is literally retarded, I have no fucking clue how anyone looks up to him as anything other than how to shill people out of their moeny

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:16:58 2018 No.11752452 >>11752448 cont. I seriously internalized my circumstances as a human as reality. Sitting on hill looking at the curvature of the earth set off this feeling. I truly 'understood' I was sitting on a fucking ball of blue

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:18:49 2018 No.11752456 >>11751663 I'm either guiding myself in third person ("damn dude, you need to do laundry more often") or I'm thinking about things passively in first person ("I don't understand fascists, how can they be so hateful?")

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:20:03 2018 No.11752460

>>11751679
>How fucked up am I?
Perfectly fucking normal dude. Having moments of self-awareness like that tends to be a good sign, it shows that you're able to realise the "gravity" of life and aren't going to blindly go about it as if nothing was important.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:20:36 2018 No.11752461 >>11752275 >"iq defines intelligence" I always chuckle with this one.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:20:46 2018 No.11752462

>>11751690
LMAO you're still in an early stage. You'll soon return it it and truly self actualize. It's there for a reason and isn't a demon to be cast out in blind arrogance. You are not experienced enough to answer it's questions in separation, together the questions become answers

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:26:55 2018 No.11752474

>>11752128
>Hi, I'm Dr. Blackman, and I will be your doctor today
>"Wtf I don't want a 75 IQ black person to be my doctor, can I request a change"
>Uhh, actually sir my IQ is 132, if you could just lay on the bed over ther-
>"LOL haha look at this doublethinking retard! Black people have lower IQs, that means you're intrinsically dumber than me! Hahah fuckin idiot!!"

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:27:37 2018 No.11752476 >>11752202 This is just a kid who knows nothing about the real world. He is even more pathetic than /lit/ pseuds ffs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:36:04 2018 No.11752491 Books on this?

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:40:04 2018 No.11752496

I grew up with 3 languages at home and speak 6 and I rarely have an inner dialogue. I mostly think in abstract thoughts and concepts. I have aphantasia too so I barely imagine images, so when someone tells me to imagine a beach, I have the concept of the beach in my head but not the image. I don't even imagine rooms when described in books, I just think of the idea of the room with the characteristics described.

It doesn't prevent me from not being a brainlet though. Makes it easier to live in the moment too.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:59:15 2018 No.11752526

>>11751282
I relate to your description of drone thought a lot anon. It's good to know that others have successfully gotten over this brainlet hump. After reading this article and this comment I'm going to try and follow in your footsteps. Precise and clear thought is a rare treat for me and it sounds as if this is the way forward.
>>11751296
Depends on your idea of intelligent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprinted_brain_theory

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:03:13 2018 No.11752534 >>11752461 Strawman. Not an argument

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:09:39 2018 No.11752549 >>11752496 >It doesn't prevent me from not being a brainlet though Dubious

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:10:41 2018 No.11752551 >>11752534 How about you source the fuckin article you're making claims from.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:16:00 2018 No.11752562 >>11751024 >psychology today Are you fucking joshing with me? Are there proper peer-reviewed articles to back this up, or are you literally taking a blog post as a reliable source of scientific data?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:19:45 2018 No.11752568 You can't be an NPC if you've read all of Schopenhauer voluntarily.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:20:26 2018 No.11752571

>>11752496
>I have the concept of the beach in my head but not the image.

Could you elaborate? It seems impossible to me. How can you have the concept without the image, or any other signification?
Now, if someone told me ''lets go to the beach'', I could comprehend without any images etc, this is the closest to pure abstraction I can find, i.e. I do not imagine anything, but I know what they are telling me, but still, there is a linguistic signifier, signifying itself.

Now, if I was told to imagine a beach, I could imagine it, even hear it vividly. How do you only have a pure concept? That would literally be nothing.

> I just think of the idea of the room with the characteristics described.

Same question, how does this even work/feel, it seems to lack any concrete thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:20:31 2018 No.11752573 >>11752549 It's not like I can't imagine concepts, I just see no point in having a dialogue. I never have conversations in my head, I just jump to the substance of the conversation. Why imagine a separate entity who's reply you formulate?

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:28:17 2018 No.11752583

>>11752571
Yeah, the idea of not mentally visualising stuff confuses the hell out of me too. How would you 'imagine a beach' without visualising it? All I can think of is an internal 'verbal' description, but that would clearly be too slow ('there are two deck chairs, and five seagulls, and...')

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:28:53 2018 No.11752585

>>11752571
>That would literally be nothing.
I just don't create images in my brain. Like you said it's pure concept but without image, imagine being blind of the minds eye. I can change the variables of the concept but nothing appears in my head. Same thing with the books, I can imagine the idea of the world created but it doesn't appear as an image/sensation in my head. Books that interest me have good concepts/plots rather than descriptive prose.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:30:44 2018 No.11752591 >>11752583 That's why I don't think verbally either, it's just direct to the concept. Aphantasia is apparently present in 2% of the population.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:37:29 2018 No.11752599

>>11752591
It's so hard to wrap my ahead around what this is like. If you imagine a beach, what characteristics does it have? Number of people, seagulls, sand or pebbles, etc? Does it have any specific characteristics at all? Or is it literally just the word 'beach'?

I suppose one possibility is that you remember a beach you've seen. In practice I think when I visualise something I'm usually remembering an image of it, or combining memories.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:40:19 2018 No.11752606 I remember seeing a simple test for aphantasia once, not sure if it works. Do part one below, then reveal the spoiler text for part two. 1. Imagine a triangle 2. what colour was it?

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:40:47 2018 No.11752608

>>11752585

>good concepts/plots rather than descriptive prose
Same, but I get images of it involuntarily.

>I can imagine the idea of the world created but it doesn't appear as an image/sensation in my head.

How does it manifest then, as nothing? Now, this has me thinking about abstract concepts in general. I know I have a mind's eye, but, even if I consider the number five, I somehow know what it is, yet there is no representation, unless I actually imagine five things or the symbol for 5. But on its own, I know what it is, with no image, just the linguistic signifier. I assume then, that this type of ''empty understanding'' is how you experience most if not all things? Hell, this is weird on its own.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:41:23 2018 No.11752610 >>11751977 No, that's Jews. But they're evil smart, so it doesn't count.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:43:31 2018 No.11752614 >>11752443 No one cares piss off

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:51:16 2018 No.11752633 >>11751980 argument constructed with language

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:54:35 2018 No.11752638

>>11752599
>If you imagine a beach, what characteristics does it have?
If you told me to imagine a beach without describing it or asking me to fantasize then it would just be the idea of a beach, no words appear. It can have whatever characteristics I want it to have. The concept of a beach is sea sand and sky so those concepts are there and then I can add or change stuff if I want. I can think of pebbly beach with limestone islands off the distance and a calm sea, but all those things are just information and not an image in my head. If I'm remembering a previous beach i've seen then the characteristics change to those of the memory e.g. black sand, high waves, clouds etc. I know all those things, I just don't see it. Like I said it's like being blind.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:56:40 2018 No.11752642 >>11752608 >I assume then, that this type of ''empty understanding'' is how you experience most if not all things? Pretty much.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:57:11 2018 No.11752645 >>11752241 >P2: IQ statistics are not a reliable basis for racial intelligence Except that this is wrong and even cognitive psychologists who believe that the differences between blacks and whites is mostly environmental don't believe it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:59:44 2018 No.11752650 >>11752526 Good luck buddy, read your balls off, eat clean, work out, and you'll get there. When you're talking to yourself about Hegel in the shower, you'll have made it lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:06:09 2018 No.11752658 >>11751294 the vast majority of my ideas come from imaginary discussions with respectable people. they even give me criticisms that i must deduce from knowing their character.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:06:28 2018 No.11752659 >>11751980 Not quite: I think it's the capacity to translate high-level intuitions into language. Otherwise the author's struggle to put something into words just wouldn't exist. They are mutually uplifting.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:09:46 2018 No.11752663

>>11752638
Yeah this is the one thing I don't get, I don't literally visualize a beach as I'm reading your post, now if I'm reading a poem the word "beach" would have a kind of intuitional "punch" that'd give it so much more heft than just reading it like in an advertisement, you know the way a word in a haiku has so much more weight for being in a haiku, and I sometimes slip in and out of realtime visualization as I'm reading, but not all the time. Do bigbrains really see shit all the time? >tfw smolbrain

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:10:01 2018 No.11752667 >>11752650 >>11751282 It is best to work on both visual and linguistic aspects, if you have problems with them. Visualization really helped me understand Hegel. As well as combining the inner dialogue with the visuals.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:10:06 2018 No.11752668 File: 27 KB, 405x563, Wittgenstein.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What would Witty think of this?

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:13:11 2018 No.11752671

>>11751786
>Humans are animals. Period. Any attempt to convince you otherwise is the ego's lies.

lmao you sure are if you try to supress the ability to enter the metaphysical plane, that ability is what seperates humans from animals, and that is why modern materialism creates soulless husks out of people

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:13:26 2018 No.11752673

>>11752663
Midwit here, I can see actual simple geometric shapes if I focus on a blank wall or something.

>I'm reading a poem the word "beach" would have a kind of intuitional "punch"
I have not read any neuropsych stuff or whatever, on this. But it seems that the carriers of signification are more complex than mere images, there is somatic and spatial sensation involved, relative to the delivery system, and the references it produces.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:13:34 2018 No.11752674 >>11751024 Highly skeptical, if it's even remotely accurate it would be the epitome of "if only you knew how bad things really are"

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:13:46 2018 No.11752675

>>11752667
Yes it really helps to visualize high-level philosophy, almost like I'm playing with these strange abstract machines in my head, sometimes when I'm trying to make a tough passage click I don't even so much as verbally tackle it as visually, different "understandings" (so Kant thinks the triangle has to be in me because it can't be fully out there - boom, I partition an inaccessible space in my mind - so it must be an intuition, either pure or empirical - boom, empirical is just this fuzzy yarnball of experiences that can never confirm or verify the nature of the triangle because mere experience is terrible for extracting universal laws, pure is … on and on) become different parts of the machine and I just mentally assemble it. Idk this is difficult stuff to communicate

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:35:18 2018 No.11752715 >>11752663 A good way to practice visualizing stuff is to practice drawing. Not that only people who draw can do this, but it's a way work out that part of the brain.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:37:57 2018 No.11752726 >>11752645 Iq is pseudoscience, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:38:32 2018 No.11752729 >>11752726 proofs

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:40:16 2018 No.11752736 >>11752675 I think I get you. You might enjoy this: https://thinkingthroughimages.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/machinic-portraits/

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:40:29 2018 No.11752738

Keep in mind most people probably aren't willing to let scientists know they talk to themselves in their heads. Unless the study specifically asks them if they characterize their inner experiences verbally... that and considering the sample size is from a (supposedly) educated population, then it really is worse than 26℅

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:41:37 2018 No.11752744 Sheeple only pseud out about IQ because it's meemed by lemmings on /pol/ and they don't want to be associated with or conflated with /pol/

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:42:43 2018 No.11752746

>>11752736
Reading good, hard phosopher is like assembling all these beautiful, well-oiled abstract machines in my head, each part embodying a gestalt "imprint" of the comprehension of a certain concept or passage. It's really satisfying, feels like mental calisthenics. I'll check out that link, thanks

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:43:10 2018 No.11752750

>Your pristine inner experience is whatever is directly in your experience-before the footlights of your consciousness, as William James would say-at some moment. My previous blogs have observed that some people –women with bulimia nervosa, for example– have frequent multiple simultaneous experiences, but that multiple experience is not frequent in the general population.

I genuinly cannot comprehend this paragraph. What is he saying?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:44:41 2018 No.11752756 >>11752736 Yeah that link is exactly what I'm talking about, I think one day I'll sit down and draw out these portraits for all these philosophers I have.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:45:12 2018 No.11752757 >>11752750 psychologists are brainlet wackos

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:47:36 2018 No.11752766

>>11752750
You can feel stuff unrelated to whatever external stimuli you are currently encountering. IE you can internalize some thoughts or emotions that play in the backround along side whatever you are experiencing moment to moment due to different stimuli.

He's arguing a lot of people only experience one things at a time, and that's whatever if currently going on.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:48:10 2018 No.11752767 >>11752452 *flat plain of blue

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:49:13 2018 No.11752770 >>11752668 Pray to him

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:52:22 2018 No.11752777

>>11752750
If I had to guess I'd say that the 'multiple experience' thing means using multiple ways to conceptualise simultaneously, eg a mental dialogue plus visualising plus having a song stuck in your head. May be wrong though because I can't see what the hell that would have to do with eating disorders.

It is written weirdly. Like it was edited down from an article at least twice as long by randomly deleting sentences.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:52:27 2018 No.11752778 File: 1.72 MB, 400x225, giphy (1).gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw when subvocalizers were the patricians all along

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:54:49 2018 No.11752784

>>11752756
Even with good visualization 'in the moment' of ideation, I find it useful and even aesthetically pleasing, to literally draw out diagrams of whatever ideas I'm playing around with. Discovering D&G's diagram autism was a real treat.

>>11752746
Yeah, like literally seeing aufheben as a capturing apparatus. When you have the function of any virtual organ like this, set in function, it can apply itself and 'go to work' on anything which 'fits' it, like a straight up mechanical attachment to another scheme.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 07:59:17 2018 No.11752794

Thinking and inner speech aren't the same. Thinking is the faster way. While you form sentences in your head, do you not know where you're heading? You know what you're about to say, and with what exact words, the inner speech appears with delay and hinders you from moving onto the next sentence if you insist on finishing each sentence.

While it is fun, inner speech slows you down. It's like deliberately reading every letter of every word rather than reading by glancing a few words at a time and jumping onto the next group and speed-reading. One way is surely more enjoyable than the other but you should master the more efficient way.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 08:00:31 2018 No.11752799
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This can't be real. It can't be this bad, can it? I'm not even being elitist, but i'm having a hard time fathoming how you can be fucking conscious and not a philosophical zombie without inner monologue.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 08:05:48 2018 No.11752806

>>11752784
I visualize Hegel's entire system as an inverted sunburst funneling its "rays" of contingency into itself as the spiration of the dialectic, which wrap around and form the rays that gravitate inwards again, like this beautiful self-enclosed dance. Contingency assimilated by thought assimilated by contingency, on and on

I use to fiddle with this stuff a bit but I thought it was just peak idiosyncratic autism. This thread and that link have been something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 08:06:00 2018 No.11752807 >>11752794 What? In my experience, inner speech is really fast. But it seems to be an odd connecting device between processes of pure ideation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 08:13:01 2018 No.11752826 File: 44 KB, 368x376, lacan diagram.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11752806 The diagram autism runs deep.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 08:30:28 2018 No.11752877 >>11752729 Proof of iq being science: 0 Therefore iq is not science. Knowing iq claimst to be science while not being science, iq falls into the cathegory pseudoscience. Iq is pseudoscience.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 08:35:40 2018 No.11752890 File: 471 KB, 1280x720, 1533756245112.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Holy fuck pol is an embarrassment

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 08:36:14 2018 No.11752893 >>11752826 >Lacan fraud

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 08:36:54 2018 No.11752897 >>11751734 shut it fag

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 08:39:08 2018 No.11752903 >>11751323 >socratic idea of consciousness as a chariot rider controlling desires lmao kys faggot you probably call yourself a free thinker

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 08:41:04 2018 No.11752907 >>11752450 >b- bu- but high end luxury electric cars are the only LOGICal and REASONable way to save our planet

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 08:42:18 2018 No.11752912 >>11751323 STOP

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 09:00:20 2018 No.11752945 >>11751493 then what's the difference between inner speech and verbalizing thought?

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 09:02:06 2018 No.11752951

>>11751024
Actually 26% of people are too dumb for abstract thought. If you see a water bottle and subvocalize "water bottle" you are literally a moron. Any competent human being can see a water bottle and realize what it is, what it's used for, it's relation to oneself ECT, all without thinking of a single word. This is honestly MORE clear with more difficult problems. Stream of consciousness is a great example. When you have some passage "water, slowly flowing, crisp serene air, the wind on my goosebumps making my skin go numb" is not supposed to mimic the internal monologue of some idiot about to bathe in a river, it's supposed to conjure up objects in the consciousness of the reader akin to that of the consciousness of the story. Consciousness is a lot bigger than simply inner monologue, and if that's supposedly all stream of consciousness is conveying, it's not really useful.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 09:11:56 2018 No.11752965 >>11751073 Delete this! The whole point of propagating this meme is to make me feel special

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 10:04:31 2018 No.11753142 Lmao at 4chan NEETs who think they're intellectually superior to 74% of the population because they conduct inner speech

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 11:06:47 2018 No.11753341 File: 1.81 MB, 176x144, loving every laugh.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11751294 >that picture

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 11:40:36 2018 No.11753493 >”audible” dialogue inside your head with yourself paired with Proustian flashes of imagery from the past triggered by small things The most patrician way to not be an NPC

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 11:41:52 2018 No.11753497 >>11751679 depersonalization, it´s not self awareness

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 12:47:54 2018 No.11753788 >>11751100 Believe it.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 12:48:19 2018 No.11753790

>>11751853
What, are they fucking retards or something? If it's a new concept I always think about it a while
>>11752121
...they walk among us.
>>11751663
It's not pure speech. Wherein a sense of motion or an image would be a shortcut, I use the shortcut. Sometimes I run simulations, and those may include two sides of dialogue (or more) along with other non-speech impressions. Sometimes I'm comparing two things to think about them both from new angles and in different moods and situations, to try and decide which to go with. Sometimes I write stories in my head, like daydreaming. I can go back to these stories any time and refine them or replay them, and I have many, of great length and detail. Sometimes I'm playing with a concept or visualizing something, like the mathematics governing a motion in whatever situation. Sometimes I'm thinking about something I read, either replaying it, reexamining it from new angles, comparing it with something else, or extrapolating the concept to new situations, or just digging deeper to try and see that single concept the author derived it from and get into his head further. Sometimes I'm thinking about practical things, like the most efficient route home or how I'm going to cook dinner. Or maybe looking at a given object or structure and trying to deduce the principles behind its design. You can sort of visualize the disbursement of forces in architecture, for example. Or maybe I pass a tree or house that gives me nostalgia and I try and sort out where I could have seen something similar. Or thinking about different war campaigns and the influences and situations that governed their outcomes and the motives behind the participants.
I do this kind of shit every day. My brain is almost never quiet. Even when I'm typing a post I can be running some other line of thought at the same time.
So we could say I don't use pure language, I use a multimedia approach to provide shortcuts and bridge up to higher levels of abstract thought that actually pinning everything down to english would hinder.
The hierarchy probably goes:
animal instincts (grug want food, yumm... grug miss pretty girl who dumped him)
simple planning (best route to get home, what to have for dinner)
language defined (thoughts which can be expressed fully in language, such as conversations or remembering stories)
level one abstract (language with some abstract concepts)
level two abstract (less language, more multi-media approach)
full abstract (not needing language as a crutch anymore, would require great levels of detail memory and organization)
???
It's not so much language yes/no. Both the higher and lower plains may not use language. If you reach language you're at the middle ground.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 13:21:57 2018 No.11753942 I believe it. Most people I know listen to music or talk--ALL THE TIME--so that they literally, and I am quoting, "don't have to think" because "thinking is hard or painful."

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 13:51:01 2018 No.11754068

>>11751418
Have you read Moby Dick? It made me start to think I was a neurotic and wanted to silence my mind, but also makes a really strong case of how that makes you subhuman. (and how this is like, the whole moral warning of Genesis / the West)

"Consider the subtleness of the sea; how its most dreaded creatures glide under water, unapparent for the most part, and treacherously hidden beneath the loveliest tints of azure. Consider also the devilish brilliance and beauty of many of its most remorseless tribes, as the dainty embellished shape of many species of sharks. Consider, once more, the universal cannibalism of the sea; all whose creatures prey upon each other, carrying on eternal war since the world began.

Consider all this; and then turn to the green, gentle, and most docile earth; consider them both, the sea and the land; and do you not find a strange analogy to something in yourself? For as this appalling ocean surrounds the verdant land, so in the soul of man there lies one insular Tahiti, full of peace and joy, but encompassed by all the horrors of the half-known life. God keep thee! Push not off from that isle, thou canst never return!”

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 13:54:24 2018 No.11754080 >>11752462 THIS

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 15:30:28 2018 No.11754548 >not speaking your inner monologue out loud like Raskolnikov Never going to make it

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