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Describe one way that reading a metaphysics text could inform one more about the nature of reality than reading a text on, say, relativity or quantum physics.

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>>11727019
>So we have good reason to believe that quantum strings exist..
>What does it mean for something to exist?
>Eh...

>> No.11727084

Synthetic a-priori>inductive/empirical study

>> No.11727195

>>11727019
Because textbooks on quantum mechanics and relativity tend to ignore their interpretations, which are all attempts to formulate statements about what kind of ontology is required of our best physical theories. The "shut up and calculate" dogma that still infects certain segments of the physics community will teach you how to do math, but you're going to miss out on the truly relevant and exciting metaphysical debates over whether the relativity of simultaneity necessarily entails a block universe or whether the quantum state possesses definite properties prior to the collapse of the waveform associated with measurement (what constitutes measurement? another exciting philosophical question).

Basically, you're depriving yourself of true understanding if you're not engaging with the metaphysics of our best physics. Feynman was a fine scientist, but his dismissal of all philosophy bordered on the dogmatic and frequently blinded him to the philosophical relevance of some of the most important physical results of his day (bell's theorem, anyone?). He successfully brainwashed a generation of promising young physicists into believing that the exercise of an inquisitive philosophical faculty had no place in the practice of science, and for that he should be shamed.

>> No.11727276

>>11727074
>>11727019
fuck i hate science cunt
literally a fucking useless school of thought. Apart from medicine there's not a single application of science which has objectively benefited humanitiy.

The human race would learn to be a lot more dignified and less decadent if we ran out of electricity

>> No.11727642

> The modern ideal has its type in art, and its means is science. It is through science that it will realise that august vision of the poets, the socially beautiful.

Victor Hugo, Les Miserables

>> No.11727658

None, metaphysics are legitimately retarded.

>> No.11727707

N.R. Hanson's theory laden perception

https://www.physics.umd.edu/perg/dissertations/Atkins/6.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemological_rupture

>> No.11728884

>>11727074
Have any of those on the right side actually contributed anything significant? I keep hearing the top two are some scientists but this is an idea I am sceptical to quote my boy Nye right there

>> No.11729055

Unironically science hasn't affected society in any positive way. Yeah, i can treat cancer and live another 30 years in this shithole, and i have a PERSONAL computer to chat and interact with other mediocre people like me but how does that compare to past times? Julius Caesar could mobilize an entire army to wipe out your tribe if he felt to. What billionaire or statesman of the present day can achieve such feat? To do 'evil' he has to hide behind an army of lawyers and state bureocracy so he can get away with date raping a top tier model and even then he has the chance of getting #metoo and that's not a good thing for his business. That is modern life, dominated by science: With your flaccid penis in your hand you watch the yellowniggers slowly but surely dominating western culture with their soulless materialistic ways. Yeah whitu, we're the best numbe one and best pianistu!!

Read Caroll Quigley (not T&H, start with The Evolution of Civilizations) and realize that science is not what you think it is but rather it is an idealized system that can only describe reality but never interact with it properly. Metaphysics on the other hand, deals directly with reality by asking what it is, using the only thing that can interact with 'reality' itself rather than mathematical abstractions and evidence based observation.

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>>11729055
I agree with this post especially a out Quigley

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>> No.11729413

>>11729055
>science is bad because it means i can't openly rape people
you're unironically a genius

>> No.11729672

>>11728884
Hell yeah dawkins invented MEMES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tIwYNioDL8

>> No.11729699

>>11727276
>Apart from medicine there's not a single application of science which has objectively benefited humanitiy.
This is what mathlets actually believe.

For starters, you know this thing called GPS which your phone uses to direct you places? Well, GPS requires relativistic corrections in order to be accurate. If you didn't account for time dilation, GPS satellites would only be accurate within several square miles.

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>>11729055
based anon exposing the yellows

>> No.11729713

um because a book of metaphysics is literally about the nature of reality whereas a physics book is not? physics only describes nature

>> No.11729815

>>11727195
>bell's theorem, anyone?
get this nerd outta here

>> No.11730533

>>11727195
interesting and informative post, thanks. I wanted to say something similar.