Eastern thought thread

[Anonymous No.11713714]

It's time for an eastern thought/philosophy/metaphysics/religion thread.

Post about good stuff you are reading or if you have recommendations. Feel free to ask any question about any doctrine or concept in case someone is lurking who knows the answer. I will be posting a list of English translations of various important primary texts that one can read online as pdfs or as text on a webpage.

[Anonymous No.11713722]

DAOISM

>Tao Te Ching
http://taisa.si/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Tao-Te-Ching-by-Jonathan-Star.pdf
>Chuang-Tzu/Zhuangzi
https://terebess.hu/english/chuangtzu.html
>Lieh-Tzu
https://terebess.hu/english/taoteach.html

MAHAYANA BUDDHISM

>Avamtasaka Sutra (complete text)
https://terebess.hu/zen/mesterek/avatamsaka-cleary.pdf
>Heart Sutra
https://terebess.hu/english/heart.html
>Diamond Sutra
https://terebess.hu/english/diamond.html
>Lotus Sutra
https://rk-world.org/publications/ThreefoldLotusSutra.pdf
>Lankavatara Sutra
http://www.buddhistische-gesellschaft-berlin.de/downloads/lankavatarasutrasuzuki.pdf

[Anonymous No.11713737]

SUFISM

>Ibn Arabi's The Book of Quintessence
http://www.ibnarabisociety.org/articlespdf/sp_seeker.pdf
>Ibn Arabi's The Seals of Wisdom
http://www.sufi.ir/books/download/english/ibn-arabi-en/fusus-al-hikam-en.pdf
>Ibn Arabi's The Imprint of the Bezels of the Wisdom
http://www.ibnarabisociety.org/articlespdf/naqshalfusus.pdf
>Ibn Arabi's Tarjuman Al-Ashwaq
http://www.sufism.ir/books/download/english/ibn-arabi-en/tarjoman-alashvagh.pdf
>Sanai's Enclosed Garden of the Truth
http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/egt/index.htm
>Attar's Conference of the Birds
http://thekingdomwithin.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/The_Conference_of_the_Birds_Fardiuddin_Attar.pdf
>Al-Ghazzali's The Alchemy of Happiness
http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/tah/index.htm
>Rumi's Masnavi
http://www.sufism.ir/books/download/english/molavi-en/masnavi-redhouse-en.pdf

[Anonymous No.11713750]

VISHISHTADVAITA VEDANTA

>Ramanuja's Vedartha Sangraha
http://www.srimatham.com/uploads/5/5/4/9/5549439/vedartha_sangraha_.pdf
>Ramanuja's Brahma Sutras commentary
http://www.public-library.uk/ebooks/06/9.pdf
>Ramanuja's Bhagavad-Gita commentary
http://www.srimatham.com/uploads/5/5/4/9/5549439/ramanuja_gita_bhashya.pdf


TANTRA

>Mahanirvana Tantra
http://www.sacred-texts.com/tantra/maha/
>Vasugupta's Shiva Sutras with Bhaskara's commentary
https://archive.org/details/AphorismsOfSivaTheSivaSutrasWithBhaskaraSCommentary
>The Spanda Karika with four of the classic commentaries
https://akaksha.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/95421991-mark-s-g-dyczkowski-the-stanzas-on-vibration.pdf
>Pratyabhijnahridayam
https://archive.org/details/PratyabhijnahridayamTheSecretOfSelfRecognition.Kshemaraja.Tr.J.SinghDelhi1980600dpilossy
>Vijnanabhairava
https://archive.org/details/Vijnana-Bhairava-Tantra
>Abhinavagupta's Tantrasara
https://archive.org/details/TantrasaraOfAbhinavaguptaHNChakravartyBorisMarjanovic
>Devi Mahatmya
http://www.vedicastrologer.org/mantras/chandi/chandi_inner_meaning.pdf
>Devi Bhagavata Purana
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/db/index.htm

[Anonymous No.11713752]

ADVAITA VEDANTA

>Shankara's commentaries on 8 principal Upanishads part 1
https://archive.org/details/EightUpanishadsWithSankarabhashyamSwamiGambhiranandaVol11989
>Shankara's commentaries on 8 principal Upanishads part 2
https://archive.org/details/EightUpanishadsWithSankarabhashyamSwamiGambhiranandaVol21966
>Brihadaranyaka Upanishad commentary of Shankara
https://archive.org/stream/Brihadaranyaka.Upanishad.Shankara.Bhashya.by.Swami.Madhavananda
>Chandogya Upanishad commentary of Shankara
https://archive.org/stream/Shankara.Bhashya-Chandogya.Upanishad-Ganganath.Jha.1942.English
>Brahma Sutra commentary of Adi Shankara
https://archive.org/details/BrahmaSutraSankaraBhashyaEngVMApte1960
>Bhagavad-Gita with Shankara's commentary
https://archive.org/details/Bhagavad-Gita.with.the.Commentary.of.Sri.Shankaracharya
>Atma Bodha
http://www.lovebliss.eu/Download/Atma%20Bodha.pdf
>Upadesasahasri
http://estudantedavedanta.net/Sri_Shankaracharya-Upadeshasahasri%20-%20Swami%20Jagadananda%20%281949%29%20[Sanskrit-English].pdf
>Aparokshanubhuti
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.216548
>Vivekachudamani
https://ia800108.us.archive.org/18/items/Vivekacudamani/Vivekacudamani.pdf
>Voga Vasistha
https://archive.org/details/VasisthasYoga
>Ashtavakra Gita
https://realization.org/p/ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita.html
>Ribhu Gita
https://archive.org/stream/RibhuGitaRamaMoorthyH./Ribhu%20Gita%20%20Rama%20Moorthy%20H.%20#page/n1/mode/2up
>Avadhuta Gita
https://www.holybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/Song-of-the-Avadhut-by-Dattatreya.pdf
>Advaita Bodha Deepika
https://selfdefinition.org/ramana/Advaita-Bodha-Deepika.pdf
>Kaivalya Navaneeta
http://ramana-maharshi.weebly.com/uploads/2/4/7/2/24723372/kaivalya_navaneeta_-_cream_of_liberation.pdf
>Drg-Drsya-Viveka
https://vivekananda.net/PDFBooks/Others/DrgDrsyaViveka1931.pdf
>Tripura Rahasya
https://www.beezone.com/Ramana/tripura%20rahasya.pdf

[Anonymous No.11713759]

HIGH-QUALITY STUDIES IN COMPARATIVE METAPHYSICS

>All of Guenon's books
https://archive.org/details/reneguenon
>Paths to Transcendence (According to Shankara, Ibn Arabi and Meister Eckhart)
http://traditionalhikma.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Paths-to-Transcendence-According-to-Shankara-Ibn-Arabi-Meister-Eckhart-by-Reza-Shah-Kazemi.pdf
>Sufism and Taoism
https://archive.org/details/ToshihikoIzutsuSufismAndTaoism
>Huxley's The Perennial Philosophy
https://silkworth.net/pdf/the_perennial_philosophy.pdf
>J.F. Staal's 272-page dissertation comparing Advaita Vedanta and Neoplatonism
https://dbnl.org/tekst/staa009adva01_01/staa009adva01_01.pdf

[Anonymous No.11713971]

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[Anonymous No.11714090]

>>11713759
>HIGH-QUALITY
>All of Guenon's books

saged. thread hidden

[Anonymous No.11714155]

Thanks OP

[Anonymous No.11714183]

>>11714090
O B S E S S E D

[Anonymous No.11714191]

ordered the way of chuang tzu yesterday what ami in for?

[Anonymous No.11714196]

So Guenon seems to be pretty controversial as a whole on this board. Is his Introduction still a good, well, introduction to Hinduism in general before reading primary sources and native commentaries, even if you don't find his other work that valuable?

[Anonymous No.11714201]

>>11714191
Merton is not a translator but a reteller of the stories. He also abridges the work greatly. The Complete Chuang Tzu is superior albeit more expensive.

[Anonymous No.11714208]

Real High Quality Analysis Text coming through!

[Anonymous No.11714219]

>>11714196
He is ok. He has a perennialist attitude but respects different religions and believes one must choose one calling this outlook traditionalism. At the core of his traditionalism, is a religionist adherence to advaita vedanta -- one of many schools of hinduism. It is particularly popular among new agers and occultists as it is the most syncretic form of Hinduism and corresponds neatly with esoteric and mystical "thou art god" ideas also found in certain western texts. His organization largely devolved into a cult and he has a number of controversial anti-western, anti-modern, anti-feminist, anti-homosexual views. This, unsurprisingly, makes him popular with alt-right /pol/lacks.

[Anonymous No.11714235]

>>11714196
>Is his Introduction still a good, well, introduction to Hinduism in general before reading primary sources and native commentaries, even if you don't find his other work that valuable?
Simply put: no. It's a sympathetic treatment of Indian thought but is essentially an essay targeted at 19th century orientalism. It's not a balanced overview of Hinduism by any means. Narayanan's Understanding Hinduism is a brief intro that's perfect for a beginner.

[Anonymous No.11714241]

>tfw reading more and more shinran and find myself constantly resonating with him
very nice feel

[Anonymous No.11714311]

>>11713759
>Sufism and Taoism
has anyone here actually read this? any thoughts?

[Anonymous No.11714422]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUSzxtXlMpA
I love eastern insight!

[Anonymous No.11714499]

Where to go with Islam after reading the Quran? Just find an anthology of medieval Phil?

[Anonymous No.11714513]

>>11714499
idk as I haven't finished the Quran but I would imagine the collected hadith of whatever branch you are interested in

[Anonymous No.11714519]

>>11714499
Are you mainly interested in philosophy? Nasr has a nice anthology. I recommend you read Imam Tahawi's creed first, since it covers the most mainstream Sunni beliefs/dogmas (Aqidah). Are you mainly interested in tasawwuf? Nuh Keller has a good, but very anti-perennialist, book on that. Martin Lings' bio of the Prophet (pbuh) is also good. Which part of Islam are you interested in, and why?

[Anonymous No.11714545]

>>11714513
Hadith are not a good place to go. The actual schools of Islamic jurisprudence are older than the hadith collections. Outsiders and modernists tend to exaggerate the importance of hadith. Hadith is a specialized field of study which is sometimes used to bolster fatwas, but actual Islamic jurisprudence is not as dependent on them as modern "I follow Quran and Hadith, bro" people will tell you.

[Anonymous No.11714562]

>>11713714
anyone got a hinduism chart?

[Anonymous No.11714586]

>>11714562
No, but the basics would be the Upanishads, Mahabharata (abridged), Bhagavad Gita, Ramayana (abridged), and selections from the Vedas.

[Anonymous No.11714649]

Can someone give me some good books about esoteric Buddhism? I'm also interested in books about early Buddhism.

>>11714562
Are you thinking of this one?

[Anonymous No.11714767]

>>11714196
It is a good intro but I would say it has more value to someone if they are actually going to be reading a lot of the texts as compared to someone who just wants an overview, it's quite literally what the title implies. It explains a lot of things that help you get the more heady texts but leaves out certain concepts and doesn't pretend to explain everything because you'll inevitably read about what it omits in most of the texts anyways. It does a good job of explaining around 60-75% of the most important Sanskrit words left untranslated in most Hindu texts, particularly Vedanta. Guenon isn't really that controversial and there are a bunch of people on /lit/ who like his books, it's just that he didn't have a very high regard for Christianity and western philosophy and so naturally that triggers some people. All they ever do is just shit-post though, as someone who enjoys his books I could probably come up with numerous more in-depth and accurate criticisms of his writings than them.

>>11714219
It is true though that it's generally some sort of non-dualistic understanding that's found in most of the eastern traditions and in their more mystical/esoteric aspects. Sure there is a lot to Hinduism besides Vedanta but even most western scholars will admit both that Vedanta has been one of the most influential darshanas and is reflected in almost every major Hindu text and that Advaita has been one of the more influential and widespread school historically. Everything cult-like stems from Schuon and his students but Guenon disavowed all the wacko stuff Schuon was doing, if you are just talking about Guenon alone and not the school generally it's almost pointless to mention that because it has nothing to do with Guenon himself and is actually the exact sort of stuff he goes out of his way to preemptively warn his readers about in his books.

>>11714235
A large portion of the book has nothing to do with orientalism and is just explaining all the different types of and relation between the types of Hindu thought. Given that he was writing it in the early 1920's it's natural that he would focus on the scholarship of the time. That portion is a little dated but even though it's better one often finds a few of the same mistakes he noted repeated in modern works.

[Anonymous No.11714837]

>>11714311
I have not read it but I do know Nasr praised it heavily and it's also praised in 'Paths to Transcendence'

[Anonymous No.11715044]

>>11714562
That depends on how many thousands of pages you are willing to read. Even just the stuff that has been translated into English is more than all the Greeks combined.

[Anonymous No.11716272]

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[Anonymous No.11716308]

>>11714649
This might be what you are looking for, it goes over the more mystical/esoteric/metaphysical doctrines of most of the major schools of Buddhism including some of the less well known and more inaccessible ones. I have not read it but it has good reviews.

[Anonymous No.11716424]

>if I'm using my imagination powers correctly, energy bundles get cleaned inside my body

[Anonymous No.11716432]

>>11713714
This is the thrid time in 24 h in which you are making the thread, while your other thread is still online. You need to stop.

[Anonymous No.11716934]

>>11716424
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.11716995]

Can anyone check my understanding of the idea of Li and Shi in Huayan Buddhism?

From what I can tell, the Chinese interpretations of Madhyamaka tend to think more positively than negatively, that sunyata means not only that all things are as false as each other, but also that they are as real as each other, and are therefore all a part of one another.

I suppose I'm having trouble understanding the second part of the "form is emptiness, emptiness is form" quote from the Heart Sutra.

[Anonymous No.11717040]

>>11716995
>I suppose I'm having trouble understanding the second part of the "form is emptiness, emptiness is form" quote from the Heart Sutra.

You're not supposed to "get it" intellectually, you're supposed to come to experiential illumination and cognise for yourself the false paradox of emptiness/form.

[Anonymous No.11717080]

>>11713722
>>11713722
>DAOISM
>>11713722
>MAHAYANA BUDDHISM
>>11713737
>SUFISM
>>11713750
>VISHISHTADVAITA VEDANTA
>>11713750
>TANTRA
>>11713752
>ADVAITA VEDANTA
>>11713759
>HIGH-QUALITY STUDIES IN COMPARATIVE METAPHYSICS


kek, you sure love to cling to your little papanca

[Anonymous No.11717088]

>>11717080
Are you the guy that calls everyone that disagrees with him an icchantika?

[Anonymous No.11717239]

>>11717080
Far from being useless papanca, other traditions complete Buddhism where it falls short in it's attempted simplification and repackaging of Upanishadic teachings.

[Anonymous No.11717245]

>this triggers the weeaboo

[Anonymous No.11717443]

>>11717245
how so?

[Anonymous No.11717452]

>>11717443
he shits all over the japs and praises the chinks

[Anonymous No.11717478]

>>11717452
From what I recall it was more him noting that Japan's leaders willingly forced westernization on their population, but it's true he does says that by his time they are more or less western while China wasn't.

[Anonymous No.11717484]

>>11717478
he says that the japs were never good at anything but imitation of others, for one.

[Anonymous No.11717560]

>>11717484
Yes, well they did get most of their culture from China and are really an extension of the Chinese cultural sphere. Rene does have a knack for making edgy generalizations about various cultures and races, I've read in various books of his that the Anglos are especially prone to retarded occultism/bland moralism, that the Turks have always relied on the Persians to do their thinking for them, that the Greeks were brainlets aside from a few exceptions, that the Jews were over-represented in Bolshevism and that it's the Arabs and Jews who come up with prohibitions against idolatry because they're particularly prone to mistake worship of the idol itself for the metaphysical principals it is supposed to signify. It's all the funnier because he talks about how everything in the phenomenal world is just a transient and illusionary modification of the Absolute, but within the conditioned realm of this world boy did he love to fire shots at people.

[Anonymous No.11717652]

>>11717239
>where it falls short
more like where it's needless to elaborate further, unless you're fond of mental masturbation
>attempted simplification and repackaging of Upanishadic teachings
you misspelled Shankhara reinterpreting Upanishads using Buddhism

[Anonymous No.11717677]

>>11717560
Some people take the "everything is an illusion bro" pov too far. Guenon acknowledges the reality of all "degrees of existence", as he calls them, as long as one keeps them to their proper sphere in the hierarchy of existence. And yeah, Guenon was a bantz master. That combined with his appreciation of anonymity pretty much gauruntees that he would have been shitposting on 4chan were he alive today. Evola would have probably been an annoying tripfag.

[Anonymous No.11717705]

>>11717652
>>where it falls short
more like where it's needless to elaborate further, unless you're fond of mental masturbation

The reason a large majority of Buddhist sects throughout history have come up with all sorts of elaborate metaphysical ideas not found in the tripitaka is specifically because Buddha fell short. They were just trying to fill the hole he neglected.

>of Upanishadic teachings
you misspelled Shankhara reinterpreting Upanishads using Buddhism

99% of the concepts and doctrines that are similar between Advaita and Buddhism are either directly stated in pre-Buddhist Hindu texts or are the direct implication of them. Buddhism largely comes from them plus Sramana influence. The extent to which Advaita and Buddhism are similar is due to them originating out of the same body of texts.

[Anonymous No.11718584]

>>11716308
Thanks frend. Do you happen to know a book about early buddhist history?

[Anonymous No.11718602]

>>11713714
daily reminder that the whole eastern tradition is just a bad offshot of historical Vedic religion

[Anonymous No.11718899]

>>11718602
You can tie it to a lot of things especially if you classify the IE traditions that Zoroastrianism split off from as 'Vedic' but Daoism seems to have originated independently. Sufism too unless you want to make the case that everything remotely connected with Abrahamism/Neoplatonism comes from eastern sources.

[Anonymous No.11718908]

>>11718899
>implying they don't all trace back to the primordial tradition through a chain of initaites

[Anonymous No.11718980]

>>11718602
Daily reminder that guenonfags are wrong.
>>11717705
>They were just trying to fill the hole he neglected.
They degenerated, just like Buddha predicted.
>99% of the concepts and doctrines that are similar between Advaita and Buddhism are either directly stated in pre-Buddhist Hindu texts or are the direct implication of them.
According to Shankhara who was accused of being cryptobuddhist by contemporaries.
>Sramana influence
Not an argument for anything. Ascetism in that time was diverse in views on ancient Greece level and they did myriad of practices ranging from attaining immaterial jhanas to roleplaying as dog for the rest of their lives.

[Anonymous No.11719013]

Any recs where to start with Buddhism?

[Anonymous No.11719068]

>>11719013

[Anonymous No.11719085]

>>11719068
Thanks babe

[Anonymous No.11719137]

>>11718980
>it's another 'western Buddhist identifies with Theravada because he perceives it as more 'scientific' and 'psychological' and thinks this gives him the right to condemn as degenerated the sect that the vast majority of Buddhists belong to episode'
>thinks Theravada is more orthodox despite that when the first schism in the Sangha occured it was the Mahasamghika that Mahayana stems from that was the majority who resisted any change while it was the minority Sthavira which later gave rise to the ancestor schools of Theravada who wanted to institute changes which caused the schism
>Theravada is basically the protestantism of Buddhism

>Daily reminder that guenonfags are wrong.
Even Guenon didn't claim that. Pretty sure that guy was irony-posting. Guenon was wrong about a few minor things but not about any of the stuff people attack him for on /lit/.

>According to Shankhara who was accused of being cryptobuddhist by contemporaries.
No you retard, according to anyone who's read texts from both and according to western academics who date certain Upanishads as pre-Buddhist which contain all the main ideas of Buddhism. It was specifically Ramanuja who called Shankara crypto-buddhist because he downplayed Bhakti and dieties despite Shankara writing Bhakti poetry and despite their ideas being 95% the same. I don't know why pseuds think that because someone once made an inaccurate criticism of Shankara that it somehow is the kryptonite that shows it all comes from Buddhism. Every single major doctrine of Buddhism is mirrored in the pre-Buddhist Chandogya and Brihadaranyaka alone, not to mention the few other pre-Buddhist ones and the portions of the Aranyakas and Brahamanas that get metaphysical. I personally don't even care what came first but anyone who belives Buddha came up with it all on his own without Hindu texts is in serious denial. Go ahead and try to name any important concepts in Advaita that aren't found or heavily implied in pre-Buddhist texts, it can't be done because the entire basis for Advaita predates Buddhism by several hundred years at a minimum.

[Anonymous No.11719153]

Yoga Sutras are the pinnacle of Eastern thought. Prove me wrong. Protip: You can't.

[Anonymous No.11719160]

>>11719137
n-no the buddha came up with it all by himself. hindus stole all his precious ideas REEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.11719168]

>>11719160
>muh pooinloo rabbis came up with everything, dharmic jesus just stole their ideas

[Anonymous No.11719173]

>nothing on Confucianism
Are there seriously no Confuciusboos?

[Anonymous No.11719181]

>>11719173
It's you. You're our resident conficiusboo.

[Anonymous No.11719197]

>>11714767
Guenonfag, as always, calm down and stop defending Guenon so rabidly and assuming everybody is out to get him. I don't know if you come from some raghead sandnigger forum where people are forced to be superficially polite, but here it's pretty normal for people to overstate their opinions for fun or for rhetorical effect. You don't have to respond to every slight with walloftext autism.

Guenon did in fact have some cult-like aspects, he is indeed generally considered to be orientalists by specialists on Hindu and other religious traditions, and he was into some weird occult shit and occasionially thought he was being persecuted by sorcerers. He's a fantastically interesting guy and he's definitely worth reading, regardless.

Your biased devotion to advaita vedanta also came into question in a thread a while back, I remember, where you got into a long argument with someone about some atomistic tradition, and generally you acted like a poor sport, shifted the goalposts around, and threw tantrums when he responded more kindly than you deserved IMHO. All in all you just need to chill the fuck out. Again I don't know if it's some sand nigger custom of yours from your incestuous Moroccan homeland that you have to lap the balls of your wise master and defend him from all attacks, but it's not necessary here.

[Anonymous No.11719202]

>>11719173
I can't think of anything outside of the Analects. Remember that Confucianism had a very symbiotic relation with Taoism. I think Guenon even said that Confucius was the exoteric and Lao Tzu the esoteric.

[Anonymous No.11719204]

>>11719173
Xunzi is based.

[Anonymous No.11719212]

>>11719153
Patanjali is good but is still pretty entry level and a limited hangout compared to Vedanta and Tantra, not to mention non-Hindu eastern thought. As far as texts with the word Yoga in their title The Yoga Vasistha is much better than Patanjali, and the Yoga Yajnavalkya is moderately better.

[Anonymous No.11719219]

>>11719197
just going to interject, shitskins are not human, do not listen to their views on philosophy. He also isn’t interested in the Vedas at all, for uh anti-racialist reasons and is totally ignorant of IE studies and population genetics. Just don’t respond, colonize the threads.
>>11719202
that’s fucking stupid
>>11713714
I would love to talk about Zen but not a single person here except for one user has read the actual Tang-Song Zen corpus or studied Zen outside the Buddha-Jesus-Shinto-Pure Land abomination pedophile cult of Japan

[Anonymous No.11719243]

>>11719219
I read Suzuki when I was younger. I also enjoyed Zen Flesh, Zen Bones. Lots of koans and a translation of the vigyan bhairav tantra which was very helpful. I also like the Kyoto School. Is Dogen good? What is the pedophiliac abomination cult? I know Thich naht Hanh talks about Jesus but he seems aiight...

[Anonymous No.11719321]

>>11719197
>Guenonfag, as always, calm down and stop defending Guenon so rabidly and assuming everybody is out to get him.
Not everyone who defends Guenon is the same person anon. There seems to be a large amount of regular posters who've read him. Claiming that the person you are debating is an ever-present lurker is just the last resort when you have no other argument and are trying to save face (not very Buddhist of you).

>I don't know if you come from some raghead sandnigger forum where people are forced to be superficially polite,
I've been on /lit/ since 2012 when there were daily marxism general threads and before phone-posters were common.

>You don't have to respond to every slight with walloftext autism.
>hurr durr why are you blowing me the fuck out when I make retarded posts?!? why do you persecute me so?
If you post a stupid and uninformed opinion that's easily debunked then you shouldn't complain or question it if people do so, kiddo.

>he was into some weird occult shit and occasionially thought he was being persecuted by sorcerers.
He was involved in the occult as a young man but left it and later wrote books on how it was larpy nonsense. If you think beliefs in magic and sorcerers is wacko you must not be familiar with eastern history because that's been fairly normal in every eastern civilization ever and in many rural parts of Asia is still the norm, also there are just as many fantastical things which have to be taken as a given in Buddhism even just going by what's in the PC.

>Your biased devotion to advaita vedanta also came into question in a thread a while back, I remember, where you got into a long argument with someone about some atomistic tradition, and generally you acted like a poor sport, shifted the goalposts around, and threw tantrums when he responded more kindly than you deserved IMHO.

That's not true you can read it on warosu, we were in a misunderstanding over some subtleties we but came to agreement in the end. He thought Guenon said Vaisheshika as a whole was unorthodox which he didn't and I was explaining it and my view on it. In the last post of that convo he said we had actually agreed the whole time and it was a misunderstanding.

>All in all you just need to chill the fuck out.
>implying I'm not chilling super-hard right now
>implying there is anything more relaxing than taking breaks at work to BTFO plebs on /lit/ using my phone

>Again I don't know if it's some sand nigger custom of yours

It's funny that you are attacking me for actually btfoing you with the facts regarding eastern doctrines but then you respond with bottom-of-the-barrel /pol/-tier insults. Sad!

[Anonymous No.11719343]

>>11719321
>Not everyone who defends Guenon is the same person anon.
>That's not true you can read it on warosu, we were in a misunderstanding over some subtleties

Also, you are badly misrepresenting that argument. You acted like a petty little faggot the whole time, and he acted like the bigger man and showed that you weren't even contradicting his main point, but were in fact trying to move the goalposts.

Your schizophrenia and narcissism is half the reason Guenon posting has declined. You ruined threads like this by constantly posting them and then thought-policing them.

[Anonymous No.11719358]

>>11719243
I want to strangle you

[Anonymous No.11719360]

>>11719219
>just going to interject, shitskins are not human, do not listen to their views on philosophy.
Don't be so sure I'm Indian, maybe I'm a white guy who got into Vedanta because of it being the purest Indo-European Hyperborean wisdom so I can be edgy and btfo Semites....

>He also isn’t interested in the Vedas at all,
To the contrary I'm fasctinated by them and I regularly quote metaphysical passages from them to BTFO people who claim it's all just rituals and praising gods and totally unlike the Upanishads

>for uh anti-racialist reasons and is totally ignorant of IE studies and population genetics.
I'm well aware that the Indo-Euro migrations happened, they are ultimately irrelevant to understanding eastern doctrines on an intellectual level though.

>Just don’t respond, colonize the threads.
lmao what?

[Anonymous No.11719369]

>>11719360
>If I say "BTFO" and "pwn n00bs" people won't remember I admitted to being a Muslim in previous threads

[Anonymous No.11719379]

>>11719360
You aren’t white.
>i read them for the thing that i was just criticized for fixating on
Yes, no surprise you’re incurious religious zealot who reads about mental gymnastics all day. Read them again, note the difference in language from the Upanishads.
>the fact that the Vedic cult is a celebration of a successful race war against shitskins and is the basis for all aryan religions isn’t important to a study of Hindooism
Yes, like i said, you’re an incurious shit skin.

[Anonymous No.11719738]

>>11719343
Guenon and related people are posted every other day. Mine is just a small fraction of the total percentage. I haven't ruined anything, it's just that people who have only bothered to study Buddhism act like sanctimonious faggots and post Grug-tier statements about Hinduism and then you whine like children when someone refutes you. Grow a backbone and stop complaining that someone is 'ruining the discussion' you sound like a woman.

>>11719369
Am I a north African Muslim or an Indian Hindu? You guys can't seem to make up your mind.

>>11719379
>the fact that the Vedic cult is a celebration of a successful race war against shitskins and is the basis for all aryan religions isn’t important to a study of Hindooism

So in other words your IQ is too low to grasp the import of primary texts and years of lurking /pol/ has made you only able to be interested in things related to race so you waste all your time jerking off to haplogroups and haphazard reconstruction of Indo-European beliefs. I remember when I was 17 too.

[Anonymous No.11720042]

>>11719321
Anon you debated with here, it wasn't just a misunderstanding. You made very broad claims at first and eventually narrowed them down. I still disagree that atomism wasn't a central part of Vaisheshika, but by the end our views were somewhat closer so I thought it best to end on a positive note. While I disagree with the strict orthodox/heterodox division Guenon and yourself used, I did agree that certain views arose in orthodox schools which later fell out of favour.

[Anonymous No.11720047]

>>11719738
>Grow a backbone and stop complaining that someone is 'ruining the discussion'

Your last wonderful thread
>>/lit/thread/S11470879

You thinking you are being persecuted by a "Theosophy shill" "for over a year"
>>/lit/thread/S11577383#p11589919

You being a paranoid delusional maniac:
>>/lit/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=%22theosophy+shill%22

You getting fucking rekt by the guy tha supposedly "agreed with you in the end":
>>/lit/thread/S11609082#p11611825
>That's very different to earlier statements where you appeared to categorically dismiss atomism's overlap with orthodox thought. But if you only meant what you just said now, I totally agree.

You are a terrible, terrible poster.

>>11720042
Holy shit, he's here!

[Anonymous No.11720148]

>>11720042
>While I disagree with the strict orthodox/heterodox division Guenon and yourself used, I did agree that certain views arose in orthodox schools which later fell out of favour.

I agree with that, I wasn't paying super close attention and I mistakenly thought you were arguing that the concept of atomism itself (separate from Vaisheshika as a school) was fundamentally orthodox and I wanted to figure out why you thought that. As far as I'm aware orthodox is just what Hindus just consider to be in alignment with the Vedas/Sruti and like you said it eventually came to be the general view of Hindus that atomism itself was unorthodox. I don't pretend to speak for Hindus and was only arguing it was unorthodox insofar as it was later regarded to be as such by many Hindu thinkers, I was under the misimpression you were arguing that atomism was widely accepted as orthodox (even past the era when Vaisheshika was popular). I agree that the orthodox distinction isn't super important but is mostly a method of classifying different doctrines in relation to one another, for example you have certain tantric sects regarded as heterodox despite being almost identical to Vedanta in many aspects.

>>11720047
>Your last wonderful thread
I didn't post that thread, whoever did it was obviously joking around, nobody would ever seriously include what was written there unless they were asking to be trolled.

>You thinking you are being persecuted by a "Theosophy shill" "for over a year"
lmao I don't think I am being persecuted by a 'Theosophy shill', around 8-10 months ago some Muslim guy started posting Trad generals and some dude showed up in them and would argue in elaborate ways that Traditionalism actually stemmed from theosophy, you can see a classic example of it here
>>/lit/thread/S10943892#p10950480

I thought it was dumb and made fun of him as did many other posters but I couldn't care less about him. There are a bunch of people who are aware of him, most of those posts in the archive with that exact phrase are not mine.

>You getting fucking rekt by the guy tha supposedly "agreed with you in the end":
That's hardly getting rekt, we are debating minor details of something and as he himself said 'I totally agree'

>You are a terrible, terrible poster.
Says the poster who is throwing around childish insults like sandnigger and who was completely btfo when they tried posting about Hinduism and Buddhism. Your only response was to try to cobble together a bunch of archived posts I may or may not have made on an anonymous website where dozens of people post anonymously about any given topic, what a joke. You have nothing of substance to say and get destroyed every time you argue with regard to details and so you are reduced to creating a strawman out of anonymous postings and acting like that's somehow an argument. The absolute state of western Buddhists, I suggest you meditate.

[Anonymous No.11720317]

>>11720148
>whoever did it was obviously joking around
Let's see:
>>/lit/image/Rvqhpi3734i5I2dtgeHrzQ

The only two instances of this image, AND that thread topic name, are that thread posted by a crazy person you claim isn't you, and this thread we're posting in now. A month and a half apart. They both have the same type of filename (IMG_4xxx.jpg, since you downloaded the same image twice, using a phone). They both have similar styles of typing.

Also, the style of dumping 500 links to Traditionalist, Sufi, and Advaita Vedanta texts in the first several posts matches your older "Traditionalist General" threads:
>>/lit/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=&search_subject=Traditionalism+discussion
(note how many of these get deleted because you're a schizo faggot)

Clearly you, Guenonfag.

>when they tried posting about Hinduism and Buddhism
I never did that. All I have done in this thread is point out that you are a literally insane sand nigger piece of shit. I hate your shitty tradboo orientalist posts and I am autistically obligated not to let you get away with them. You ruin every thread about Eastern thought by trying to proselytize and by rudely jumping down the throat of every well-meaning dude, like >>11720042 , and then you usually pretend to be innocent afterward. You are a nigger.

[Anonymous No.11720326]

>>11720317
>still digging through the archive
bro, this is not making you look good

[Anonymous No.11720331]

>>11720326
He tasks me, he tasks me and I shall have him.

[Anonymous No.11720338]

>>11720331
I mean, ok, have it your way, but I suspect that at the end of the day you'll look back and realize you gained absolutely nothing from all these efforts. But they're your efforts to waste, I guess. I don't have a dog in this fight, just givin' my two cents.

[Anonymous No.11720357]

>>11720338
Pointlessly proving, for posterity's sake, that Guenonfag was lying about that other thread's OP not being him is its own reward.

Why would you even fucking lie about that? Do you ever feel bad that every one of your shit threads ends in you typing giant walls of text where you say "lmao lol btfo" fifty times per post?

[Anonymous No.11720369]

>>11720357
w-wait do you think I'm him too now?

[Anonymous No.11720384]

>>11720369
Better to let ten suspected Guenonfags go free than falsely to condemn a single non-Guenonfag. Besides, it doesn't matter whether you're him or not. What matters is the quality of your posts.

[Anonymous No.11720422]

>>11720317
I downloaded it from that thread when I first saw it with the same file name. You are completely losing it my dude.

[Anonymous No.11720486]

>>11720422
Filenames save as Unix timestamp format, as in this post: >>11714241

For you to have a similar filename - not the same filename - you would have had to manually erase the Unix timestamp and enter something else. So, either you saw that thread a month and a half ago, which also has the same name as this thread, saved the other guy's image and chose for some strange reason to save it as a similar, but slightly different filename (IMG_4xxx.jpg), or you're lying yet again because you're a lying schizoid sand nigger.

Also note that all the filenames used in this thread:
>>11713722
>>11713737
>>11713750
>>11713752
>>11713759
are the same, because they're all from the same mobile device as the other thread you posted. That is, the one you claimed was not you, because no one in their right mind would post a thread that shitty. (I agree.)

Are you an inbred Paki, maybe? What accounts for your lack of theory of mind?

[Anonymous No.11720505]

>>11719738
No, i don’t believe God is real and don’t care to spend hundreds of hours getting mind raped by ancient hieratic orders. Also, an interest in genetics is more respectable than an interest in religion especially gay polytheism like Hinduism or nihilistic monotheism like Hinduism. V spiritual tho implying genetically determined iq, like that of your subhuman race, is important to intellectual capacity anon. You’re at least a consistently dishonest, unpleasant person. Shitskin.

Note: he ignores that the Vedas are uninteresting screeds and ritualistic autism celebrating the Aryan race and its conquest of the Indus Valley culture incursion into Punjab and North india and have little if anything in common with the Upanishads.

[Anonymous No.11720552]

>>11720486
sounds like this paranoid faggot might actually be onto something

[Anonymous No.11720566]

>>11720552
he’s right, though im not a theosophy shill i haven’t read anything from that school in over two years, and i never advocated explicitly for theosophy, all i said was evola and guenon took things from her then conspicuously went out of their way to denigrate her, publishing a book about her specifically to capitalize on the milieu she helped catalyze with her movement and then exploited the ignorance of orientalists to say idiot things about hinduism, such as its actually intellectual noetic focused, and that they did not believe in reincarnation, its actually a super rigorous philosophical system and advaita is the real hinduism etc. that’s all i ever did to this shitskin nigger retard.

[Anonymous No.11721871]

>>11713752
Where do you go after Advaita?

[Anonymous No.11721880]

>>11713759
>slips guenon and other perennial garbage into the thread pasta at the end
thanks for ruining what would have been a great thread

[Anonymous No.11723089]

>>11721871
The fridge