>This is the biggest atheist writer/intellectual >This is the best they can do HAHAHAHA

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Anonymous Sat Jul 28 04:20:38 2018 No.11530466 [Reply] [Original]

>This is the biggest atheist writer/intellectual
>This is the best they can do

HAHAHAHA

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 04:22:48 2018 No.11530474 >>11530466 and yet you cannot refute him hahahhaa

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 04:23:35 2018 No.11530477 >>11530466 Are you lost, Gentile? Your foreskin might need some trimming come to think of it. Did you know circumcised "males" suffer less racism and sexism?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 04:30:32 2018 No.11530496 >>11530474 His entire book on the subject refutes itself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 04:31:06 2018 No.11530499 >>11530474 refute him? whats his argument?

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 04:35:35 2018 No.11530508

>evolutionary theorist and inventor of concept of memes
>also militant atheist
>atheism dying out because atheists can't reproduce, raise children, or form functional societies and are consistently out-competed and replaced by religious populations
>doesn't make the connection

lol

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 04:43:01 2018 No.11530524
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>>11530474
>Argues against 40 year old creationists
>Science and religion are not and never were enemies
>He's wrong about the Crusades and the Islamic Conquests as a religious battle when it was about land, resources, and power
>Look at these awful Christians in history, btw Stalin was a different atheist (religion had nothing to do with the 20th century)
>Because there are now strong counter-arguments means religion is irrational
>I can make truth claims
>Christians do not make truth claims, they're bad
>Religious upbringing is child abuse, but there's no evidence for it
>Christians change whenever they're faced with FACTS, despite the fact that all things change to make room for new knowledge
>Religion was never litteralism, litteralists are the minority yet he's always broadening the scope
>Most Christian counter-arguments are Christian
>He keeps saying Christians hold back process, but can't define process, and doesn't mention that Christians believe God can be discovered by understanding the world
>Religion is stupidity, this one speaks for itself really, it's slander and rejects thousands of years of literature
>Religion is evil and other dumb moral arguments which often just argue against Christianity as a dangerous institute
>Evolution and natural selection cannot be questiond, despite decades of it having eroded these theories to partial validity
>Muh polemics

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 05:16:51 2018 No.11530604 >>11530508 >He thinks white 'christians' are breeding beyond replacement rate >He thinks white christians can compete with black/muslim 10+ child per family rates >almost all atheists were former christians lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 05:22:25 2018 No.11530615 >>11530499 Christians r bad crusades and talking snakes hahaha

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 05:35:02 2018 No.11530647 >>11530604 The reason most atheists were christians once is simply because muslim atheists are either invisible or dead.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 05:42:50 2018 No.11530665 >>11530508 so lower form of beings are replacing higher forms of beings with mass horde-like fucking? surprised.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 05:51:42 2018 No.11530692 >>11530496 >>11530499 >>11530524 autism

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 05:58:56 2018 No.11530716 >religion is obviously wrong >atheists are insufferable faggots What's the correct choice here?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 06:28:38 2018 No.11530809 >>11530524 Dawkins doesn’t debate creationists. Hasn’t done for decades. Rest of insane babble ignored

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 06:34:21 2018 No.11530831,1 >>11530508 Fucking more = being right LOL

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 06:34:47 2018 No.11530831 >>11530716 Whatever makes you want to live Anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 06:41:56 2018 No.11530831,2 >>11530716 Why do you think you need to pick a side here? Also being an insufferable faggot doesn't make you wrong so if you value what is true then it's a nobrainer.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 06:47:28 2018 No.11530856

>>11530604
>has to move the goalposts to race, tacitly admitting that he can't address my actual point
>puts Christians in scare quotes, tacitly admitting that liberal "Christians" aren't real Christians, which they aren't
>acknowledges the fact that the only reason why dwindling atheism persists at all in the world is because it's parasitically poaching Christian apostates, otherwise it would already be extinct
>admits that African and Muslim populations will continue to eclipse a dying secularist west
>fails to realize that white religious populations like Amish and Mormons and Traditionalist Catholics are growing exponentially and will represent the sole surviving white populations in North America in the next century
>refuses to recognize non-white atheist populations in decline

>>11530665
Atheists are the lowest form of human life possible, but evolution doesn't care about that. Atheists' inability to reproduce themselves has doomed atheism to extinction. That fact remains regardless of your incorrect moralist assertions.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 06:50:27 2018 No.11530862 >>11530716 >religion is obviously wrong I'm not even a believer, but that statement is the hallmark of a brainlet

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 06:57:34 2018 No.11530874 >>11530856 Yes the amish will save us from the barbarian hordes

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 06:59:03 2018 No.11530879

>>11530862
>>11530716
You can reject Abrahamic religions and go your own path free of doctrine, then call it 'religion', or not, depending on whether the word is useful to you.
If people ask me if I'm religious I just say I'm spiritual. It makes me sound 'new age' but I don't care.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 07:08:46 2018 No.11530898 >>11530874 The Amish will survive. You won't. Race isn't a factor.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 09:15:02 2018 No.11531217 >>11530898 That is until the people who arent pacifists decide to kill all the Amish.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 09:26:43 2018 No.11531232

>>11530508
>>atheism dying out because atheists can't reproduce, raise children, or form functional societies and are consistently out-competed and replaced by religious populations
So how did atheism even arise? It's been around for well over a century (there's a stereotypical fedora-tipping character in Madame Bovary), why hasn't it died out yet? By your logic atheism can only be shrinking, yet it has a ton of followers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 09:33:27 2018 No.11531259 File: 41 KB, 800x450, brainlettttt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >but who invented god

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 09:35:42 2018 No.11531266 >>11530524 based and redpilled

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 09:46:59 2018 No.11531318

>>11531217
That happened before.

>>11531232
Atheism isn't the first death cult to arise, nor is it the largest. Like I said, atheism is a carrion beast. It eeks out a pitiful existence by scavenging the dead left behind from living religions. Whatever can go wrong with a person, will go wrong with some people. A percentage of every generation is bound to be defective in some way, and atheism is one of those ways. Atheism IS shrinking. Atheism does not have "tons" of followers. Atheists are just very loud because of their inferiority complex, and live on the internet instead of in the real world, because they don't like to show their faces, giving the impression that there are more of them than there really are if you spend too much time online. Have you ever looked up the actual numbers?

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 09:57:06 2018 No.11531341

>>11530604
>In a survey in 2007 by the Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion & Public Life, the African-American population are found to be more religious than the U.S. population as a whole with 87% affiliated to a religion, and 79% saying that "religion is very important in their life", compared with 83% and 56% resp. for the whole of the US. The population is mostly Christian, with 83% of black Americans identifying as Christian, including 45% who identify as baptist. Catholics account for 5% of the population. 1% identify as Muslim.
WE WUZ DEUS VULT AND SHET

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:03:53 2018 No.11531358

>>11530466
Baffles me that people on here believe old myths invented by a primitive people are true. It's all made up, dummies. You can dress it up in all the fancy language you want but they're still just stories rulers used as a means of social control.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:11:39 2018 No.11531377 >>11531358 Woah

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:19:18 2018 No.11531412

>>11531358
>stories rulers used as a means of social control
Religion predates social stratification by a couple hundred thousand years. Anyway, the largest religion on earth, Christianity, originated in the teachings of a man executed by the government, and his followers were hunted to extermination by the authorities for the following century or so, being fed to lions in stadiums and whatnot. The religion was not made up by the same rulers who attempted to annihilate it. Nor is religion at all popular among the upper class in today's world. Religion is countercultural in a secular society.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:20:53 2018 No.11531422

>>11531377
Yeah, whenever I make that point people respond like that. They're speechless. It's like a revelation for them. It seems so simple the way I describe it, and that's because it is, but few people have the courage to be honest about religion. They're just stories invented by simpler people for a variety of reasons. Though they're not true, nor are they particularly profound.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:21:50 2018 No.11531426

when i was younger, my dad bought me the blind watchmaker, which was his most recent book at the time, and it blew my young mind. ever since then i've had affection for the guy even though instead of going further into the interesting biological science and memes he decided to tilt at windmills

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:23:01 2018 No.11531432 >>11531358 Baffles me that people think they're smart when they can abstract and see trough but only take literally everything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:24:09 2018 No.11531441 >>11531422 The other anon was obviously being sarcastic. You haven't said a single word worth a damn.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:24:27 2018 No.11531443

>>11531412
I didn't say rulers invent religions. I say religions been used by rulers, most notably Constantine. Republicans still try to maintain order by saying the US is a Christian country, opposing abortion on religious grounds, etc. but in most of the developed world religions have been rendered obsolete by more efficient means of social control. They're still quite useful in more primitive places like the Middle East and Africa, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:25:40 2018 No.11531447 >>11531441 Proving my point that few people have the courage to be honest about religion.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:30:44 2018 No.11531466 >>11531412 this

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:31:29 2018 No.11531467

In Nietzsche's philosophy, dogmatic atheists are the Last Men, the final people in society who refuse to surpass man and become ubermensch. No, it's not the hardcore Christian creationists often strawmanned by Dawkins and his ilk who are destined to become the obstinate ones holding humanity back, but dogmatic atheists.

Due to their belief in the absolute "objectivity" and "provability" of scientism, they hold an even stronger view of humanity as merely extra-functional animals than religious people do with their "faith" in God. You see this in the transhumanism movement, which Nietzsche predicted as an attempt to produce the "ultimate man" rather than surpass man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:35:02 2018 No.11531485 Christian LARPers are the new militant athiests

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:36:04 2018 No.11531487 File: 78 KB, 485x323, 1505094672920.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11530856 >don't worry our black brethrens will take care of us if the amish don't

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:37:17 2018 No.11531492 >>11531467 retard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:37:53 2018 No.11531494 >>11531467 t. Last Man

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:40:47 2018 No.11531505 >>11531467 you re ok actually

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:43:53 2018 No.11531517

>>11531443
Your reduction of religion to realpolitik is the main point of failure in your thinking. You're projecting your own Machiavellianism into the minds of people with very little in common with you. Not everyone is an amoral sociopath, and it's very telling that you're incapable of properly modelling other types of personalities.
>Republicans still try to maintain order by saying the US is a Christian country, opposing abortion on religious grounds
Is this supposed to be evidence that religion is nothing more than a tool of social control, when it's a force of resistance against social hegemony and the status quo?
>>11531447
You're neither honest nor courageous. You're a liar and a coward, I'm sorry to say.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:45:22 2018 No.11531522 >>11530474 >rote evidence is the only way things are true >there's no evidence that evidence is the only way things are true

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:47:22 2018 No.11531532 >>11531447 You're not courageous, you're a buffoon

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:49:50 2018 No.11531539

>>11531487
Honestly, I have infinite more respect for a coal black witch doctor dancing around in a grass skirt in a jungle in Africa than a western white atheist sitting in cum-stained sweatpants in front of a computer in some basement in America. At least the nigger has an excuse.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:54:35 2018 No.11531569 Please dear god stop with the religious posting. I don't mind religious fags per se, but publicly atheist people are dogshit and I hate them with a passion, these threads attract both and the result is unspeakably pointless.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 11:06:11 2018 No.11531620 >>11531539 lmao fucking cuck...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 11:08:13 2018 No.11531626 >>11531569 >stop with religious posting you goddamn atheists >but you can keep going christian broth- I mean religious fags

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 11:09:05 2018 No.11531629 >>11531485 /pol/tards are the new fedoralord atheists and SJWs are the new fundamentalists

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:36:46 2018 No.11531917 >>11530856 you seem quite angry at atheists. who hurt you anon?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:38:32 2018 No.11531925 >>11531318 how do you account for census data that shows "non" religion is growing around the same rate as islam in western countries?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:41:19 2018 No.11531930 >>11531467 friendly reminder that "scientism" isn't a word :)

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:49:42 2018 No.11531962

>>11530466
>This is the biggest atheist writer/intellectual
How so? Who proclaimed him to be that? An anonymous shitposter on 4chan?
>This is the best they can do
They? Atheism isn't a religion, and there is no organized "they".
>HAHAHAHA
Is this your final argument?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:51:15 2018 No.11531972 >>11531522 Are you actually arguing for solipsism?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:52:36 2018 No.11531978 >>11531517 >You're a liar and a coward, I'm sorry to say. Oh, really? So, where is this proof of Christianity or any religion that you're taunting us all with?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:53:20 2018 No.11531980 >>11531358 Powerful

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:54:44 2018 No.11531985 >>11530879 Thanks for the blog update.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:55:52 2018 No.11531992 >>11530716 >What's the correct choice here? For you to turn 18.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 13:00:46 2018 No.11532009

>>11531467
>Due to their belief in the absolute "objectivity" and "provability" of scientism
Do you know why? Because science is demonstrable. And why are you describing science as though it is a religious movement? Again, are you arguing for solipsism as well?
>hey hold an even stronger view of humanity as merely extra-functional animals than religious people do with their "faith" in God.
I don't see the problem with this, especially when it can be argued to be accurate. Also, there is no "they", atheism isn't a religious organization. This defeats your assumption even further.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 13:10:50 2018 No.11532036 >>11530466 So, is the "God delusion" any good? Is it worth reading if I'm well past my fedora-tipping phase? I still don't believe in God but I wish I could.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 13:16:13 2018 No.11532052 File: 51 KB, 361x421, mitre neckbeard.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11531992 This kind of inverse fedora-tipping is quickly becoming tiresome and will just result in more people dismissing religion. You have been warned.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 13:16:34 2018 No.11532055 >>11532036 Christian here, the best anti-Christian books is Against the Galileans, read the sophists, Epcurus, Spinoza, and Nietzsche.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 13:35:32 2018 No.11532139

>>11532052
>This kind of inverse fedora-tipping is quickly becoming tiresome and will just result in more people dismissing religion.
Who exactly is supposed to decipher this nonsense meme-speak?
>>11532036
>if I'm well past my fedora-tipping phase? I still don't believe in God but I wish I could
If this is your "argument" for not believing in God, I have an Eiffel tower to sell you. At least some of this can be entertaining, but it seems /b/ is more mature and capable of it than this board.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 13:55:20 2018 No.11532217 >>11530466 IDK, The Selfish Gene was pretty interesting. The God Delusion was meme-tier tho. It's not that atheism isn't a tenable position, Dawkins just sucks at arguing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 13:57:50 2018 No.11532224 >>11532217 Not that your post should be taken seriously, but their is proof for the positions of one side. There's no dispute about that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:01:11 2018 No.11532235 >>11532009 >science is demonstrable >muh induction

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:02:59 2018 No.11532239

>Natural selection

This simple argument - now a fact - showed that all the religions of the world (Christianity, Judaism and Islam in particular, with their creation myths) are wrong.

Does a form of Divinity exist? No one knows.

Do the religions of the world come from people who actually had contact with the deity? No.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:03:02 2018 No.11532240

>>11532217
>Dawkins just sucks at arguing.

That's what he does! that is what he makes money and living and shit! You think he is doing research and writing report like an everage scientist in recent 20 years? Arguing, Debating in a TV program is what all he doing right now!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:05:45 2018 No.11532253 >>11532239 >Do the religions of the world come from people who actually had contact with the deity? No. Your word against theirs. Plenty of people feel they have had contact with a deity

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:07:17 2018 No.11532262
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Daily reminder it has been empirically proven religiosity stifles scientific innovation.

https://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Religion%20December%201g_snd.pdf
http://www.nber.org/papers/w21052.pdf

Daily reminder the overwhelming majority of leading scientists are atheist

https://www.nature.com/articles/28478

Daily reminder religious people are less intelligent according to dozens of studies.

http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/The_Relation_Between_Intelligence_and_Religiosity__A_Meta-Analysis_and_Some_Proposed_Explanations.pdf

Daily reminder religious people are less educated

https://www.economist.com/news/international/21623712-how-education-makes-people-less-religiousand-less-superstitious-too-falling-away

Religious people are literally a lesser breed of human

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:07:51 2018 No.11532264 File: 413 KB, 488x472, 1d0416739c31389a56dafaf0a2e8cf79.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11532240 What in the fuck are you trying to say?

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:08:29 2018 No.11532269

I don't give a fuck what you believe, if you as a public figure refuse to debate others solely because their ideas are """evil""" you are a fucking scam.

Dawkins is a scam. See
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/oct/20/richard-dawkins-william-lane-craig

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:11:02 2018 No.11532280 >>11532224 >Their is proof

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:11:03 2018 No.11532281

>>11532235
>science is demonstrable
It's not? Interesting observation. Hydrogen bomb? Cosmic background radiation? Penicilin? Gravity? Surely no one has demonstrated these to be true in any way. You got it all figured one. And how could you not with your "muh induction"? A real belter of an argument.
>>11532269
https://youtu.be/Uaq6ORDx1C4
Refusing to debate? Good thing you're not starting your whole premise on lies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:12:05 2018 No.11532286 >>11532280 >green text

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:12:47 2018 No.11532289 >>11532281 >look at all my white swans

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:13:07 2018 No.11532292 >>11532281 Figured out*

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:14:12 2018 No.11532296 >>11532289 What are you even talking about?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:15:39 2018 No.11532303 >>11532296 >he doesn't know about the swans

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:16:34 2018 No.11532304 >>11532262 Yeah man, I used to be 17, then I grew up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:17:58 2018 No.11532319 >>11532304 And now that you're older scientific journals and research is beneath you?

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:18:49 2018 No.11532323

>>11532009
You don't get Nietzsche's point because you are likely a STEM brainlet. And your talking points sound like they come straight out of the cliche new atheist debating book.

Nietzsche's point is that slavish devotion to scientism eventually leads to stagnation and a gross lack of imagination because the end-game is concluding that man is no different than an animal which seeks pleasure and avoids pain, thus the "ultimate" goal for humanity is pure pleasure and no pain.

Nietzsche quite clearly implies that letting go of this false notion of transcendence will be harder for scientism atheists than it will be for religious believers to give up their own notions. That is why atheists are the true Last Men.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:18:59 2018 No.11532327

>>11532281
A shame you're too fucking retarded to spend 20 seconds watching the video. Despite what the title fooled you to believe, Dawkins and Craig don't. debate. each other. There are a number of representatives on either side to argue a position. The article I linked, which you clearly didn't look at, came out after this debate because Dawkins was being asked to actually debate Craig mano-a-mano. Dawkins is "emotionally distressed" by some of Craig's comments and therefore refuses to actually debate him.

Again, I don't give a fuck what you believe, if as a public figure you pull this shit, you are a scam.

P.S. I recommend watching that debate :^)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:24:40 2018 No.11532360 >>11532281 >>11532327 Hmmmmmmm... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2011/oct/22/richard-dawkins-refusal-debate-william-lane-craig

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:25:28 2018 No.11532366 File: 296 KB, 1920x1080, Laughing-Tom-Cruise-Meme-06.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >that debate between Craig and worst Hitchens

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:26:00 2018 No.11532367

>>11532304

(not that Anon)

So your life turned out to be so bad that you needed the religious cane to kept walking?

I remember a thread some weeks ago where people were speaking about the time they became religious. Almost 100% of the posters here were depressed and desolated and used religion as a way to inject meaning in their lives and feel better about themselves. They were non-believers before.

In the end of the day it's all about fear, pain and weakness. Anons simply couldn't hold their shit together anymore without some form of canned-hope and self-delusion.

And I'm no teenager or anything. Already 31 years old.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:27:55 2018 No.11532383 >>11532262 good ol argumentum ad autismum, or: argument by logical positivism

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:29:59 2018 No.11532396 >>11532262 Religion and science are not even opposed to one another outside of 60 year old creationist retards

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:30:14 2018 No.11532397 File: 14 KB, 480x360, chan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11532262 >China >innovation

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:31:28 2018 No.11532403 >>11532367 >my life is completely free from delusion, yes sir, there are no lies I tell myself to keep the wolf from the door, I face reality head on

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:31:54 2018 No.11532406 >>11532396 this tbqh. that's why not-actual-scientists like Bill Nye will only argue with people like Ken Ham who have indefensible positions.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:32:59 2018 No.11532411

>>11532396
>Religion and science are not even opposed to one another

Not in this light:

>>11532239
>Does a form of Divinity exist? No one knows.

But they are opposed in this light:

>>11532239
>Do the religions of the world come from people who actually had contact with the deity? No.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:35:03 2018 No.11532418

>>11532323
>You don't get Nietzsche's point because you are likely a STEM brainlet. And your talking points sound like they come straight out of the cliche new atheist debating book.
What is wrong with you? Where are these ridiculous assumptions I can half-decipher even coming from?
>Nietzsche's point is that slavish devotion to scientism eventually leads to stagnation and a gross lack of imagination because the end-game is concluding that man is no different than an animal which seeks pleasure and avoids pain, thus the "ultimate" goal for humanity is pure pleasure and no pain.
How exactly did science which you're desperate to equate with another religion responsible for pure pleasure and no pain? How did Nietzsche even attempt to prove this? Again, what is wrong with claiming people are highly evolved animals when it's demonstrable our common ancestors were clearly to a less degree evolved animals as well? How can someone even attempt to conclude what the goal of humanity as a whole is?
>>11532327
Great. Haven't enough people debated him yet? How will the world as we know it and the understanding of religion change if that debate happens? Where is his sacred knowledge he's been withholding until the debate occurs? Why hasn't he proven his point to other debaters and won the Nobel prize if that particular one is of such importance? Jesus... you must see something doesn't add up here.
>>11532396
>>11532411
Sure. People like Raymond Damadian who gave the world inventions as great as the M.R.I. scanners exist and are smart enough not to perform witchcraft when people are in need of medical treatment.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:35:27 2018 No.11532421

>>11530508
>>atheism dying out because atheists can't reproduce, raise children, or form functional societies and are consistently out-competed and replaced by religious populations
That is the opposite of what is happening though. Atheism is growing in first world countries and the shittier a country is, the more religious its people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:36:10 2018 No.11532427 >>11532418 How exactly is science*

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:37:28 2018 No.11532434 File: 222 KB, 1256x1112, industrial change my mind.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11532262 Nigga u really think science is good for humanity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:39:15 2018 No.11532443 >>11532360 >The comments there. Man, new atheist are cringy as hell.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:39:21 2018 No.11532444

>>11532360
It's stuff like this that tips Dawkins from being wrong to being seriously dislikeable. He won't ever try and understand the logic in the worldview of the opposition and just see's everything through his narrow lens then looks down on people.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:42:43 2018 No.11532463

>>11532434
>Nigga u really think science is good for humanity.

You probably would not have survived childhood without the help of antibiotics and medical treatments and would have died as a baby, as was the case with most children throughout history up to 100 years ago

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:42:58 2018 No.11532466 >>11532296 ok this is particularly not a good sign

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:45:49 2018 No.11532478

>>11532418
>How exactly did science which you're desperate to equate with another religion responsible for pure pleasure and no pain?
Nietzsche just said hedonistic morals are the end-game of scientism. He believed that a person who is TRULY devoted to scientism could not conclude otherwise, unless they were actually actually ignoring the science and borrowing moral inspiration from another source (for instance, Christianity)

>When one gives up the Christian faith, one pulls the right to Christian morality out from under one’s feet. This morality is by no means self-evident: this point has to be exhibited again and again, despite the English flatheads. Christianity is a system, a whole view of things thought out together. By breaking one main concept out of it, the faith in God, one breaks the whole: nothing necessary remains in one’s hands. Christianity presupposes that man does not know, cannot know, what is good for him, what evil: he believes in God, who alone knows it. Christian morality is a command; its origin is transcendent; it is beyond all criticism, all right to criticism; it has truth only if God has truth—it stands or falls with faith in God.

So basically when a scientism devotee appeals to humanistic notions instead of hedonistic ones, he is usually just affirming Christian morals which are deeply entrenched into him even if he is not aware of it.

>How can someone even attempt to conclude what the goal of humanity as a whole is?
Nietzsche doesn't say what the goal of humanity truly is because he didn't know. That's for the ubermensch. He just deconstructed the value of meaning all the way down and pointed out the direction for renewal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:49:19 2018 No.11532489 >>11532463 and how is that "good"

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:54:57 2018 No.11532514

>>11532478
>Nietzsche just said hedonistic morals are the end-game of scientism
Alright, anyone can claim what they think in their books. Doesn't make it accurate or even possible to prove.
>So basically when a scientism devotee appeals to humanistic notions instead of hedonistic ones, he is usually just affirming Christian morals which are deeply entrenched into him even if he is not aware of it.
Everyone who isn't a psychopath must be a Christian because? Because - nothing. It's not rational to claim to have telepathic abilities to determine this. Not to mention that secular nations are have lower crime, suicide and many other rates. Of course he couldn't have known this at the time.
>That's for the ubermensch
Who are they and what it would change if some "ubermensch" finally deciphers this question for all humanity? As it's often said - universe doesn't owe you a sense of purpose and the beautiful, liberating thing is your choice to play with your life on your own terms.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:07:40 2018 No.11532583

>>11532514
>Alright, anyone can claim what they think in their books. Doesn't make it accurate or even possible to prove.
But it's obvious. Science does not include within its ambit the notion of subjectivity. It cannot, because science is about observation and so other people's perspectives are always filtrated through the observer's perspective.

Hence, science leads to behaviorism. The observation of stimulus and reaction. To what we call a positive reaction, the one the subject is drawn to, is pleasure, while the opposite is pain. Thus under behaviorism to satisfy the subject's desires one attempts to maximize pleasure. This is how honest scientism eventually leads to hedonism. Nietzsche worked all of this shit out before behaviorism was even a designated thing in academia.

>Everyone who isn't a psychopath must be a Christian because? Because - nothing.
So are you saying that one needs to have the morals associated with Christianity not to be a psychopath? Carefully examine your implicit assumptions my friend.

>Not to mention that secular nations are have lower crime, suicide and many other rates. Of course he couldn't have known this at the time.
Of course he believed that there was a backwardness to most Christianity. But that doesn't mean that in the end, ironically, the atheists won't be the Last Men.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:12:51 2018 No.11532604

>>11532583
>because science is about observation and so other people's perspectives are always filtrated through the observer's perspective.
You just can't accept that science is demonstrable in 2018. I think there's no point in posting any further.
>So are you saying that one needs to have the morals associated with Christianity not to be a psychopath? Carefully examine your implicit assumptions my friend.
You couldn't have detected a snarky/ironic remark or someone being facetious if it hit you in the face. I was mocking the assumption of "You're not a Christian, but you're acting it out" assumption.
>But that doesn't mean that in the end, ironically, the atheists won't be the Last Men.
What does being the "Last Men" imply here? And how are you so certain that Nietzsche was correct about this with absolutely no research on the topic so distant from any scientific method thus conceived.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:15:55 2018 No.11532622 >>11532604 >>11532583 >>11532514 You are the most obnoxious type of poster on 4chan. Learn how to write paragraphs and respond to people instead of individual sentences.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:20:09 2018 No.11532643 >>11531412 Well-said.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:20:13 2018 No.11532645

I can understand partaking in religion for the sake of tradition and the sense of community; and believing that there may have been some kind of a creator is fine, as well.

But there is literally no excuse for unironically believing that fair tales from the Iron Age contain the truths of the universe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:21:50 2018 No.11532651 >>11532396 Creationist boomers are literally the only religious people left in the west. All of the younger generations have completely abandoned this shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:21:53 2018 No.11532652 File: 191 KB, 820x331, 1531271138630.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11530862 >I'm the 'cool' kind of atheist I may not like what you have to say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:23:16 2018 No.11532660 File: 259 KB, 940x705, sh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] puts your hand on the stove

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:25:36 2018 No.11532673 >>11532622 You have quoted two different posters. And how exactly do you determine how much someone wants to say?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:25:40 2018 No.11532675 >>11530466 >literally invented all of the memes you use nothing personel kid

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:32:17 2018 No.11532702

>>11532604
>You just can't accept that science is demonstrable in 2018
Errr...no? How am I saying that? I'm saying literally the opposite. Science is ONLY about demonstration, which is why it leads to behaviorism.

>I was mocking the assumption of "You're not a Christian, but you're acting it out" assumption.
No, you were basically implying my argument was that if you aren't Christian you are psychopath that is basically pretending. That's not it at all. My counter-response was that you need to examine what is meant by "psychopath" because it has a negative moral connotation. The problem is, what is the root of that moral connotation?

>What does being the "Last Men" imply here?
It means the last group of people to surpass mankind. The most stubborn ones.

>how are you so certain that Nietzsche was correct about this with absolutely no research on the topic so distant from any scientific method thus conceived
He did plenty of research, he spent his life examining philosophies, particularly of non-philosophers, because the future of society fascinated him.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:32:30 2018 No.11532704

I often discuss this topic of where people derive their morals from and it always ends in the same way with atheists. They can never seem to examine their own implicit moral assumptions when challenged, it's like they are locked into the mindset that rational individuals have "common sense" morals that have appeared from nowhere.

Is there a line of questioning that anyone has found successful in bringing about realisation in the atheist that they do have implicit assumptions and encourage them to try justify theses assumptions?

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 16:07:10 2018 No.11532891

>>11532418
>Great. Haven't enough people debated him yet?
You're missing the point. If there's one thing we can agree on, it's that all people will never agree.

No debate will produce the panacea of philosophy.

But it's foolish to likewise claim that nothing new could come from a debate simply because there have been "too many" debates before.

I don't care what you believe, if a "voice of the people" refuses to engage with another "voice of the people," that is ignorance.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 16:51:51 2018 No.11533091 >>11532304 >tfw to old too read studies

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:02:23 2018 No.11533130

>>11532651
While it's statistically true that younger generations are less religious, "all of the younger generations" is a disgusting exaggeration when more than 50% of young adults claim to be "absolutely certain" there is a God.
http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/compare/belief-in-god/by/age-distribution/

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:03:56 2018 No.11533136 >>11531358 BASED

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:22:07 2018 No.11533217 >>11530524 >he thinks evolution theory and christianity are compatible

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:23:22 2018 No.11533220 File: 36 KB, 1023x576, 92354584da5a2fffaf3a39d4c1684594.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] damn you religicucks and atheist fedoras are so triggered rn hahaha pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:26:49 2018 No.11533236 >>11530856 >>fails to realize that white religious populations like Amish and Mormons and Traditionalist Catholics are growing exponentially and will represent the sole surviving white populations in North America in the next century Proof?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:27:26 2018 No.11533239 File: 124 KB, 882x731, 1479892366010.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11530508 >atheism dying out

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:28:29 2018 No.11533242 File: 26 KB, 473x436, DhshvXKWAAMcSBr.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11531358 >as a means of social control.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:28:48 2018 No.11533245 >>11531422 >nor are they particularly profoun Found the actual brainlet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:30:49 2018 No.11533257 >>11532704 I find atheists are much more aware of where their morals are derived from than Christians are, as most of them were Christians originally and became atheists after questioning the assumptions of Christianity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:35:54 2018 No.11533291 idk how can anyone be religious in this day and age? lower classes and low education, shit families? It's a cope for something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 21:45:31 2018 No.11534379 >>11533257 ...that's totally different of what >>11532704 said

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 03:47:31 2018 No.11535872

>>11530524
>Science and religion are not and never were enemies
say that to gallileo and all the those who were medics and said something against the fucking miasma theory of desease but what i know i guess i shouldnt have taken history of science in my fucking university.
>Evolution and natural selection cannot be questiond, despite decades of it having eroded these theories to partial validity
you son of a bitch did you know the diference between a theory and a law in science? or you have never being in science class in your redneck state? fucking americans and they fucking education even 3rd world people know better.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 05:03:58 2018 No.11536087 >>11535872 0/10 Fix your grammar at least.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 05:48:34 2018 No.11536195 >>11531962 >Atheism >Not a religion (you)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 05:49:36 2018 No.11536198 >>11532009 >This defeats your assumption even further. I know for a fact you're underage

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 05:54:47 2018 No.11536205

>>11532262
>Innovation
>Measurable
By number of patents LMFAOOOOO

>>11532262
>Daily reminder religious people are less intelligent according to dozens of studies.
>Daily reminder the overwhelming majority of leading scientists are atheist
>Daily reminder religious people are less educated

*goes back 30 years*
*nearly all scientists are religious*
*everyone in society is religious*
*no difference between education rates*

Like seriously imagine believing this is a valid argument lmfao

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 05:55:50 2018 No.11536206 >>11532443 They are see >>11532367

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 05:56:51 2018 No.11536209 >>11532396 Literally this. I don't understand why nu-atheists find this so contradictory. Christians believe God can be discovered through understanding this world

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 05:59:11 2018 No.11536212 >>11532604 >You just can't accept that science is demonstrable in 2018. I think there's no point in posting any further. Fuck you're a brainlet lmaooooooo

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 06:00:55 2018 No.11536219 File: 18 KB, 637x631, Brainlet+1518981716537.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11533257

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 06:05:13 2018 No.11536226 Remember, he refutes all of the thousands of gods men have created over history, but he's only wrong about one of them right? The one you irrationally believe in with no evidence. He's right about all the others being man made nonsense though, yes?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 06:16:22 2018 No.11536246 >>11536226 Ironic fedoraposting is still fedoraposting

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 06:18:06 2018 No.11536253 >>11536226 Yes. You've nailed it

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 06:48:10 2018 No.11536317

>>11536246
I see nothing ironic at being baffled by such stupidity. It's one thing to believe in something so ridiculous and think that your ridiculous belief somehow differs to all the ones you see as being ridiculous, it's another thing to be so proud and revel in such stupidity or to look down on others for not being so foolish.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 06:59:04 2018 No.11536348 >>11532303 kek

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 08:31:19 2018 No.11536537

>>11530466
intellectualism is dead: capitalism and democracy will follow their course. this is why a non transcendentalist atheist merely observes reality and wishes to do nothing about it, if they preached normative systems they would accomplish nothing. and for this reason the internal systems of old are also dead, revealed by modernity to be nothing more than glorified private exaltation and poetry.

but what nietzsche did was the most horrifying, in that he made purposefulness into a tangible decision, rather than a natural process. now in modernity it will be impossible for a system of non-self aware ethics, and this self awareness makes it feel the more contingent and particular. at this juncture only the celebration of the contingent, unnecessary and a-historical will give rise to a revival: but for whom? most likely for you who are reading this, but it won't be a social movement.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 08:32:11 2018 No.11536539 >>11536246 Everyone who doesn't agree with you is fedoraposting? It's this kind of ignorance that has you believing in santa in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 08:37:21 2018 No.11536549 >>11536226 No he is wrong about all of them because he does not understand the religious impulse. God is the same thing no matter what cultural clothing you dress it in.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 08:42:33 2018 No.11536562 >>11531358 So is religion good or bad? (It's good you explainef that in your post).

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 08:43:11 2018 No.11536565 >>11531358 6/10 But I can't believe some people here bit the bait

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 08:59:17 2018 No.11536620

>>11536226
I've come to my belief in Christ through insights into mysticism. Here's a train of thought for you... the mystical Godhead behind Hinduism, Taoism, Sufism, and all other mystical schools of thought is one and the same. Perhaps, it is that Mysticism is the true religion (after all, it explains what the purpose of humanity was in a self-reliant universe). They all also speak of a potential state of permanent Divine Awareness, and maybe it was Jesus Christ who was the first to attain this state. He certainly checks all the boxes when it comes to wielding the voice of God. He brought forth idealistic morality, and a rational system of divine mercy and justice. If you analyze the gospel itself, it contains no grievous logical errors, besides transcription errors.

With all the other arguments in favor of God, my theistic perspective is definitely adding up more so than "it's all random chance and chaos at work here. Just a case of very strange luck."

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 09:01:39 2018 No.11536630 File: 56 KB, 645x773, brainlet+1491287171858.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11536539

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 09:02:21 2018 No.11536634 >>11530474 what he is wearing in OP pic is refutation enough!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 09:06:18 2018 No.11536648 >>11532262 >china Yeah, you can disregard this disinfographic straight away

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 09:10:08 2018 No.11536664 >>11530524 retard

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 09:11:52 2018 No.11536670 >>11535872 Holy shit actually learn what happened with Galileo you fucking moron >Insults the pope, literally the most powerful man on the planet, to his face >Spends the rest of his life working from home Poor soul

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 10:40:52 2018 No.11536948

>>11530466
Christians have moved the goal post so much that nobody of note even claims that anything in the book is literally true or that God even exists. There is no need for a contemporary atheist intellectual, because Christians have already defeated themselves. If your only valid argument is that "being a Christian is a functional way of living" then you have no real argument over Islam, Buddhism or some secular moral system which also manages to create functional societies.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 10:54:01 2018 No.11537000 Why do all anti-atheist types now sound like absolute fedora wearing neckbeards? What happened? Is this Peterson's fault?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 11:43:39 2018 No.11537203 >>11537000 It's part of the counter-culture now, so it attracts retarded teenagers

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 11:43:49 2018 No.11537204 >>11537000 >Is this Peterson's fault? most likely, yeah

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 11:51:23 2018 No.11537232

>>11530474
His '98% of the genome is useless, why would intelligent design allow this?' argument has been proved mostly incorrect and every day is being proved more incorrect.
At the moment 80% of the genome is known to be active, more and more activity is being found with some predicting 99% use (mainly ENCODE researchers).

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 11:54:23 2018 No.11537247 >>11537000 general internet average counter culture. atheism become too popular to be accepted.

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 11:54:25 2018 No.11537248

>>11537000
Yeah I would say so. I was already about a year into a “baby’s first” edgy young adult existential crisis about my moral framework due to reading a lot of Dostoyevsky when I encountered JBP and his reasoning unironically helped me a lot to form my own opinions. However I went through a classic Hitchens/Dawkins atheist phase in my teens so it might be a similar transient period to that

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 11:54:34 2018 No.11537250

>>11537232
Yeah Dawkins was basing that off early genomic research which is being proven wrong as you have clearly noted. Although, you have not provided an explanation of why the usefulness of gene proves the existence of god. Do you think that god literally engineered all of our unique genomes?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:07:53 2018 No.11537308 lifelong reminder that try hard celebrities exist to control the bar of inquiry. these people scourge the internet for topics to 'discuss' on behalf of ideologues that they push. there are people whose sole job is to find these keywords to attract.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:11:44 2018 No.11537319 >>11537250 No I'm not religious, the argument that I was making was that Dawkin's is based off incorrect science, which shows that using scientific arguments against a 'Creator' will backfire and are just as malleable as scientific arguments for God.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:14:06 2018 No.11537334 lifelong reminder that try hard celebrities exist to control the bar of inquiry. these people scourge the internet for topics to 'discuss' on behalf of ideologues that they push. there are people whose sole job is to find these keywords to attract.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:14:15 2018 No.11537336 >>11535872 lol, stop blindly sucking the teat of the enlightenment lies. The galileo story was purposefully misconstrued in the 19th century to make religion look bad lol.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:15:39 2018 No.11537341 >>11536670 yeah and Galileo was still wrong about the orbits; he said they were circular

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:18:03 2018 No.11537352 >Dorkins

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:19:47 2018 No.11537360 >>11537336 ... evidence?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:23:54 2018 No.11537385 >>11537000 yikes

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:25:47 2018 No.11537393 >>11537360 >>11537341 >>11536670

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:29:53 2018 No.11537420 >>11537360 John William Draper, Andrew Dickson White https://youtu.be/Wxddfx-qX1c

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:33:24 2018 No.11537437 >>11537385 what does that mean?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:41:12 2018 No.11537489 >>11532262 religious nuts eternally btfo

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:46:14 2018 No.11537508 >>11532489 if you honestly believed not existing was preferable to existing, you would unironically kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:48:17 2018 No.11537518 >>11532704 basically all morals have a base in evolutionary psychology prove me wrong

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:49:38 2018 No.11537525 >>11536195 atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sex position

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:54:57 2018 No.11537551

>>11536549
>>11536620
or maybe we evolved under conditions where false positive judgements of agency were less detrimental to survival than than false negatives.

therefore we are descendants of humans who were prone to imbue things with agency (rivers/weather/sun/earth)

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:57:12 2018 No.11537560

>>11532704
>where people derive their morals from
It comes from what works. Scripture is just a mystified way of writing down what works over time. And if it stops working then it is just re-edited or reinterpreted into a form that works again.

There is value in religion in so far that it evolved over time and all previous iterations of the religion were at least good enough to survive and spread further. Hilariously religion is bound by the principles of evolutionary processes.

When poor thinkers who identify as atheists talk about "common sense", that is what they mean. They use what works. Though just like religious people they are under the false illusion that this is the only possible way to do things that works, while there are potentially endless viable moral systems. Though finding them might be hard to impossible. The major religious moral systems had almost as much time to evolve as modern humanity and they are accordingly robust in some ways that we cannot even understand.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 13:02:25 2018 No.11537580,1 >>11537560 Ok, Jordan.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 13:03:04 2018 No.11537580 File: 44 KB, 1034x900, brainlet+1512816905691.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11537525

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 13:05:07 2018 No.11537591 >>11537580 >haha brainlet meme pic xD

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 13:07:22 2018 No.11537601 >read the god delusion at 17 years old Think it's a masterpiece, tfw too intelligent >read it again at 24 years old Complete retardation that merely attacks the average American materialistic conception of Christianity and nothing else.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 13:07:57 2018 No.11537603 >>11530466 Most atheists don't give a fuck about Dawkins, sorry. That's like claiming all Christians are somehow involved with Joel Osteen.

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 15:53:55 2018 No.11538349

>>11537560
Do you think that if we fully understood evolutionary psychology and its implications we could dispense with the notion of God and create our own designed moral framework? I think that would be realised as creation of a new man, the Ubermensch.

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 16:34:08 2018 No.11538562

>>11538349
Hard to say. When it comes to moral systems we are dealing with a high level of complexity.

A functioning moral system needs to be functional in the now, the near future and the far future. It needs to work on the individual level and the societal level at the same time. It needs to be resistant against corruption and distortion, but also needs to be able to adapt to changing environmental factors.
These are features we commonly find in the long-living religious traditions.

Assuming we can actually figure out what exactly makes them so good at surviving, we might be able to determine how to copy these features. Or if we can't copy them, at least figure out what points of failure they are related to.
This might be just as hard as figuring out how our genes work. Systems that were created by evolutionary processes are often hard to decipher, exactly because they are just following the principle of what works and not some sort of actual design pattern.

Also, what exactly means creating our own moral framework? Create a Frankenstein's monster patchwork of features that we take from existing moral frameworks? Or create an entirely new moral system that does not hinge on the existing frameworks, based on a deep understanding of human psychology?
The former might be easier than the latter. Assuming the features of the different moral frameworks actually turn out to be compatible. Maybe we could cut out the notion of God, assuming that notion does not turn out to be essential for a moral framework to function. Maybe a certain percentage of the population requires spirituality to be able to survive efficiently. But that is all speculation.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 20:00:14 2018 No.11539428 >>11537525 Solid youtube comment

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 20:38:21 2018 No.11539609

>>11537232

>At the moment 80% of the genome is known to be active, more and more activity is being found with some predicting 99% use (mainly ENCODE researchers).

Biology PhD here. ENCODE is garbage, uses protein binding as a proxy for activity. Proteins will bind to all sorts of stuff because they're a diverse group of molecules.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 20:40:16 2018 No.11539615 >>11539609 Biochemistry PhD here youre doing a meme PhD

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 21:39:07 2018 No.11539833 >>11536205 >goes back 30 years >nearly all scientists are religious >no difference between education rates are you lying or just retarded

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 23:35:09 2018 No.11540214 File: 473 KB, 698x666, kys.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11537580 > Since you can't use your words, we'll have to continue this conversation using shitposts

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 23:37:45 2018 No.11540224 >>11537525 athiesm is a religion like eating artificial sugars rather than natural fruits and grains is still eating

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 00:47:21 2018 No.11540430 File: 20 KB, 227x346, TheScienceDelusion.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11530466 >blocks your path

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 00:51:15 2018 No.11540434 >>11530862 The absolute state of people who listen to Dave Rubin and Jordan Peterson.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 00:52:32 2018 No.11540438 >>11531412 >Religion is countercultural in a secular society. Zoomers gonna zoom

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 00:55:59 2018 No.11540450 >>11532304 Yeah man, I'm so mature I transcended empiricism entirely and now I just deduce the truth of the Holy Trinity and the Resurrection from first principles.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 01:59:56 2018 No.11540604 >>11539833 I don't understand what your issue is tbqh

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 02:09:22 2018 No.11540640 Why do you think any metric given by the public is worthy? Are you unaware of any atheist philosopher?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 02:22:52 2018 No.11540687 >>11530862 "not" a believer

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 02:26:44 2018 No.11540705 File: 365 KB, 1500x1000, soyspeak.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11539609 >Biology PhD here.

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