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Jorge Luis Borges is the greatest writer to come out of Latin America. Period.

>> No.11494684

literally who? if you are to make such a grandiose , ridiculous statement, at least provide a "why". fucking pseudo...

>> No.11494688

>>11494678
>Latin America

You mean the Americas, right?

>> No.11494696

>>11494684
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=who+is+jorge+luis+borges

fucking pleb

>>11494688
I mean brown man tomato picker land

>> No.11494710

>>11494696
Name 1 (one) writer from the US who even comes close to him. I dare you.

>> No.11494714

>>11494710
probably Tylo B. Chillin

>> No.11494726

>>11494710
Jorge was 1/2 English which makes him better than all of the inferior mudblood mestizos, castizos, and mulattos.

However, he is incomparably inferior to the full blooded anglo man, of which the average enthnographic American white man is such

>> No.11494731

>>11494678
Nah, that would be me. ( I’m Australian)

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>>11494726
I just wanted a name, not a 56% breakdown of your insecurities

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>>11494726

>> No.11494770

>>11494757
Why does the nazi look like a jew?

Oy vey, anti-semitism

>> No.11494779

>pretending to be a /pol/tard

>> No.11494786
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>>11494770
looks pretty NatSoc to me

>> No.11494795

>>11494726
>>keeps the "the bell curve" on his nightstand, thinks he is worthy of being /lit/

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>>11494678
Borges had brains, but Gabo had heart

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11495000

*blocks your path*

Nothing personal, amigo.

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*destroys the novel*

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11495126

That's a widely held opinion only because no one outside Brazil know of Machado de Assis.

>> No.11495137

>>11495126
looks like a nig

>> No.11496439

>>11495126
this. Portuguese language is exotic for many people especially anglos, who get annoyed that it's distinct from spanish.

>>11495137
half nig

>> No.11496487

>no pablo neruda

>> No.11496497

>>11494808
Fuentes had both...

>>11495000
Naaahhhhhh.

>> No.11496534

>>11494696
>guys baited
>posts lmgtfy about borges
Yeah, no surprise (you) think he’s great

>> No.11496573

Borges is the literary equivalent of weird stories you read online.
What little value there is to be found, and there is little to be found, is hidden behind what is essentially mediocre writing at best.
I am not referring to prose. His stories set up scenarios and twist them in a way that seems smart, and actualy is, but lacks all heart. Any message or idea that is explored, though they are usually just presented, comes across as borges trying to show you something. No story is interesting, it’s just some idea presented through a story that is made to present that idea in a strange way.
This wouldn’t be bad if it weren’t so obvious, or if the stories themselves were interesting.
I would rather see a magic show, where the magician tells me the world is not as it seems and then pulls a rabbit out of his hat, than have borges tell me the world is not as it seems by presenting the world how it isn’t, and twisting this false world so some truth in this misrepreststion is revealed.
It might be interesting the first time, but afterwards it’s just tiresome.

>> No.11496593

>>11494678
federico garcia lorca

>> No.11497217

>>11496593
>latin america

>> No.11497243

>>11495126
/thread

>> No.11497244

>>11494678
>Latin America
who cares

>> No.11497313

>>11495000
This

>> No.11497475
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>>11494678
Neruda is a strong contender imo.
Also eager to see what Luiselli will produce in the coming years.

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11497541

The Gospel According to Mark is pretty damn good.

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>>11494726
>he is incomparably inferior to the full blooded -1% anglo man!!!

Seriously why you mutts keep posting this shit?
The whole board is laughing at you creaturas

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>forgetting about the whole continent's Joyce

>> No.11497625

>>11497475
>Luiselli
Is she actually good ? Story of my Teeth was pretty average stuff.

>> No.11497633

>>11494726
Go to bed, Mosley

>> No.11497746

>>11494808
I stopped reading Cien Años de Soledad after Aureliano's death. Is it even worth finishing?

>> No.11497766

>>11494678
Yes and he sucks.

>> No.11497770

>>11497746
For a person who stops in the middle of this one book, it's not worth for someone this impassive even to start it.

>> No.11497813

>>11497746
Definitely. Keep going.

>> No.11497880

>>11497625
Yeah, thats not her best work I think, her other two novels were more to my liking. Tell me how it ends is something different, it is more a political essay, so not really a novel.

>> No.11497895

>>11497746
Yes, it's magical

>> No.11497961

>>11497880
Cool, i’ll look into it. She’s obviously a talented prose writer anyway.

>> No.11497984

>>11497746
it get's way better (it kind of starts dragging after the banana massacre affair gets resolved but by the end it ramps up like a motherfucker)

>> No.11497991

>>11494808

Not joking, One Hundred Years of Solitude is probably one of the greatest books of all time, probably the greatest one coming from all of the americas (US included).

I don’t know how a guy like Gabo (who doesn’t seem that talented) was able to do it, but the fact is that he achieved something incredible with that one book. It towers above the rest of his body of work.

It contains the genesis and the apocalypse, all of the major human dilemas, a short history of civilization, new myths (like some sort of pantheon of its own), several different characters, and all of that presented with great concision.

It’s a miraculous work. It’s one of those books that has a demonic soul in it, an aura that you can’t quite explain.

No wonder it exploded in a ciclone of praise, awe, admiration and loving devotion around the world. I can’t tell how Gabo did it: he dosent seem capable, but thank the gods and the muses he did.

It’s even better than my beloved Moby Dick, even better than Lolita.

>> No.11498032

>>11494726
Lol, tfw your views on race were satarised and laughed at in the 1800s.

>> No.11498033

>>11497991
and you didn't even read into Colombian history in the late XIX and early XX century, which is sort of the root of the whole thing.
But yes, it's GOAT

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11498046

>gets touted as someone who has read thousands of books
>turns out he was just skimming through them looking for the exciting parts.

what a hack

>> No.11498057

>>11494678
his poetry is pretty shit, senpai

>> No.11498063

>>11496573
I can't disagree; he's never really given me the contrary impression.

>> No.11498069

>>11498046
I see this said a lot on here. Where's the proof?

>> No.11498083

>>11495126
What's so great about him?

>> No.11498089

>>11494678


>>11497475


Come to think of it, I value Lispector over Borges as well.

>> No.11498578

>>11494710
Melville.
Also happens to be better than your favourite author.

>> No.11498703

>>11498089
>Lispector
Where to go after Passion according to GH ?

>> No.11498736

I have no problem with that statement, however, I have a problem with the fact that most people, at least in this board, who says such things have literally only read borges out of latin american writers.

>> No.11498830

>>11498703
Dive into her stories. They are fantastic. If you're itching for a novel, I suggest Near to the Wild Heart.

>> No.11498916

>>11498830
Cool, thanks for the rec. Have you read Agua Viva, by chance ?

>> No.11498931

>>11497475
>Neruda is a strong contender imo.
Neruda doesn't even come close to being the best Chilean author.

>> No.11498937

>>11494726
Anglo saxons are good economists but in terms of literature they are dwarfs

>> No.11498958

>>11498736
hi anon, recommend me some latin american lit, preferably stuff that comes before the magical realism meme, or just whatever you like :~)

>> No.11498960

>>11494710
I don’t have to, Borges did it himself. He acknowledged Melville, Poe, and Faulkner as more importanr than anyone in latin america

>> No.11499055

>>11497566
>Latin American calls anyone a mutt
If you want to laugh, just contemplate your iq average

>> No.11499072

>>11494726
1/4

>> No.11499073

>>11498916
Have not read that, but really want to. Most of her oeuvre that' I've read though is great, especially into her later years.

>> No.11499222

>>11495126
Where to start with him? I'm half Brazilian and wanted to (further) advance my Portuguese.

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>>11497633
Shut up, Moz was aesthetic af

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>>11499073
You just cost me 50 CAD $, btw ;)

>> No.11499350

>>11497991
Is this pasta? I just got done reading it- it's a solid 6/10 at best.

Anyone who disagrees with me is a pseudo-intellectual signalling faggot.

>> No.11499386

>>11499301
You'll enjoy, anon. She's great.

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>>11499350
>Is this pasta?

No. But this one is:

My impression when I read it was that I was witnessing humanity first emerging from primordial mud, from the creamy swamps of stone age, as if the foundation of the city of Macondo was the first settlement of civilization and it’s inhabitants were all Adams and Eves, all of them still humid with the sweat of the dew of paradise. Is like the children of Eden modeling and pilling up the first bricks of Ur, or Uruk, of Nineveh or Babylon (all the houses of red mud and of bamboo/taquara).

Humanity was at the same time more innocent and stronger, more ignorant and hungrier. The friendship and the butchery, the marriage and drinking rituals, the sexual hunger and the love caresses, the trades and crafts and arts and festivals: all of it seemed, in my eyes, as discovered for the first time by the inhabitants of the world of this book. When they made love, they did it with more power and pleasure than our current race; when they killed, they did it with more foaming savagery. Their veins still had primeval magma snaking and tingling inside them; their arteries still burned with an effervescence contaminated with the sweat of minotaur’s and the menstrual blood of sirens. It is a book that portrays a period in history but with the taste of something that came before history, before civilization, before the written word, before the invention of time. The first settlers, with the first house-foundations, will be the ones who will finally make time open its eyes and start growing conscious – as if, the soil being perforated to seat the first beams, time started to gush off, like newfound petroleum.

It begins with creation. Even the fauna and flora, with plants with tick and oozing blood of milk, flowers with golden pollen, butterflies and mosquitos emerging like dense fog, and the birds singing on the branches, the tamarins jumping from tree to tree, the fat salamanders crawling in the viscous vegetation, the araras (macaws) whose flesh is blue and taste like musk: this environment seemed as the original jungles of Eden before the fall of humanity. It begins with creation, but it will march inexorably until the crack of doom.

1/2

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>>11499424

2/2

And then you get the same errors and weaknesses happening again and again and again, by generation after generation of characters, as if didn’t matter how much civilization changed, for the original and primeval world (where things still didn’t had a name, where men and women needed to point to indicate what they were referring to) could never be completely silenced. No matter how much technology and “progress” fertilized the world, still the original marrow of our bestial beings could never be suppressed: it kept screaming inside the bones and veins of the men and women of the book. Like the sweet and nauseating pulp of guava, there is no way to wash the taste, the nausea and the sweetness from this the people who are still and forever tattooed by the Dionysian stamp of the state-of-nature.

So this:

a) The sperm of Adam could never be dissolved from our species; the perfume of the apple never gagged, for it is forever entangled in our flesh: that seems to me one of the great themes of the book.

b) Somehow I feel that the author desired to portray the whole history of humanity – from the first shadows that crawled from the marshes of Eden (the slimy early-fishes creeping from sea to land), to the last cries of the last infants and the last whispers of the last ancients (whose backs carry the weight of all the thousands that lived before them) – occurring in one single town, during the course of mere 100 years.

It’s a great book.

>> No.11499434

>>11499424
>>11499429
what purple prose. dicksucking faggots.

>> No.11499476

>>11499434

If it's in Shakespeare or Joyce is genius.

If in the work of any other writer - Nabokov included - is purple prose.

Praise to Lord Hemingway and the grey newspaper-style!

>> No.11499479

>>11499350
>it's a solid 6/10 at best.

What's a 10/10 to you?

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