/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11485207]

>"Manchester students deface poem by 'racist' Kipling"

>"student leaders erased the work, replacing it with a piece by Maya Angelou in a bid to reverse "black and brown voices" being written out of history."

>"Riddi Viswanathan, student union diversity officer, said elected members representing students felt Kipling was "not in line with our values", singling out his poem The White Man's Burden"

>"Sara Khan, liberation and access officer at the union, wrote on Facebook that Kipling's "racist" work supported the role of the British Empire and Angelou's poem was chosen as a "reclamation of history by those who have been oppressed by the likes of Kipling for so many centuries"."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-44884913


HOLY YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

[Anonymous No.11485218]

Sure, in principle it's retarded, but I can't be bothered to pretend anything of great literary value is lost specifically with Kipling replacement.

[Anonymous No.11485222]

Fatima Abid, Riddi Viswanathan, and Sara Khan need to meditate for a bit on what would happen if they pulled similar stunts against the culture of their countries of origin, and what it is exactly that permits them to do this in the First World.

[Anonymous No.11485223]

*raises fist*

YAAAAAAAAAAAAS

[Anonymous No.11485233]

>>11485222
Countries of origin!?!? Sweetie that is just so, so racist.

Manchester is their country of origin :)

[Anonymous No.11485240]

Why do they idolize Angelou so much? Her work is the height of mediocrity. Surely there's better on white alternatives?

[Anonymous No.11485242]

>>11485240
Because she was a QUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN

[Anonymous No.11485270]

>>11485207

[Anonymous No.11485271]

>>11485233
Liverpool is 0 btw

[Anonymous No.11485303]

>>11485207
>school that’s ranked below my meme SEC school replaces mediocre poet with mediocre poet
Oh man I’m so bootyblasted just positively seething

[Anonymous No.11485304]

I mean, it's Kipling, who gives a shit? It's not like they burned his books either, it's just some shitty public display thing.

[Anonymous No.11485312]

"If" is a banger t b h

[Anonymous No.11485320]

ANGLOS RISE UP

[Anonymous No.11485325]

>>11485218
>>11485304
I hope they come for you and nobody even bats an eye. You're just some retarded faggot so I don't even have to say it.

[Anonymous No.11485328]

>>11485207
>deface poem
Wut. They just painted over a wall. Media sensationalism really is the devil.

[Anonymous No.11485332]

>>11485325
I'm betting (((they))) are gonna come for you far sooner than (((they))) come for me, dear MAGApede.

[Anonymous No.11485333]

>>11485328
Painting over something else is defacing.

[Anonymous No.11485341]

>>11485304
>>11485218
Kipling is a good poet. Sorry soiboy contrarians

[Anonymous No.11485342]

>>11485207
>singling out his poem The White Man's Burden"
Pretty ironic desu

[Anonymous No.11485345]

>>11485333
Yeah, but it's not necessarily worthy of being national news. I imagine quite a few things happened to be painted over around the UK on that day.

[Anonymous No.11485347]

Daily reminder that Larkin's next, racists.

[Anonymous No.11485349]

I feel like they're more offended it was a poem promoting responsibility and personal power of will instead of another Marxist victim complex sermon

[Anonymous No.11485350]

>>11485207
>writer that gets little to no attention in /lit/
>sjws freak out about it
>YAAASS SLAAAAY post intensifies
>300+ posts thread incoming

[Anonymous No.11485358]

>>11485350
Its more or less literal book burning. Kipling may not be a trendy poet here but he's unquestionably a great poet and a core part of the English canon

[Anonymous No.11485364]

>>11485358
is that an example of his greatness? laugh my as off.

[Anonymous No.11485366]

>>11485358
Are you a complete and utter retard? That's a rhetorical question, by the way.

[Anonymous No.11485374]

>>11485364
That is a great poem actually very powerful and I posted it exactly because its relevant when little brown shitstains keep pushing the envelope too far

[Anonymous No.11485377]

I accepted that whole parts of the academy are compromised beyond repair a while ago, so I don't really feel much about this. What concerns me is the lack of meaningful and quality alternatives. So far we have TraditionalistGoku96's youtube channel and TrapHitler's wordpress blog and they are not good enough.

[Anonymous No.11485378]

>>11485350
it's like how nobody on /tv/ read a single line of homer until a black guy got cast on some crappy show about troy and now they're all about defending their beloved ancient greek heritage, furiously looking it up on wikipedia.

[Anonymous No.11485383]

>>11485377
Start with homeschooling and then move towards founding unashameably traditional schools. Shit sinks and cream floats. Over time a new order will emerge

[Anonymous No.11485405]

>>11485377
"the alternative", for all political positions other than milquetoast liberalism, is to steal a fuckton of books from libgen and read them until you become a worthwhile person with your own capacity to form educated opinions.

[Anonymous No.11485406]

>>11485207
>"Kipling isn't even part of the /lit/ canon, just keep your head down and assume a submissive position like me"
No, pseud faggot. Kipling is a cherished part of /lit/ culture and off-limits. If the desecration of high literature doesn't make you upset, if his replacement by an affirmative action slam poet Negress abomination doesn't make you shudder, then you lack the requisite IQ to be seriously interested in art; and you should fuck off back to /mu/ or r/literature or /leftypol/ or whatever hole you crawled out from

[Anonymous No.11485410]

>>11485377
>>11485383
Whenever you consider a (you)tube channel and a blog as being the first steps towards independently remaking an entire cultural sphere's educational systems, do you ever pause to ask yourself, "what if I'm completely devoid of perspective and sense of reality?"

[Anonymous No.11485414]

>>11485406
Red and basedpilled

[Anonymous No.11485413]

>>11485406

[Anonymous No.11485416]

>>11485410
We don't, thats the entire point of his post. Maybe go hit the books and get some reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.11485422]

>>11485207
Kipling is shit though.
http://orwell.ru/library/reviews/kipling/english/e_rkip

[Anonymous No.11485424]

>>11485345
Yes but most painting overs are agreed between both parties and non-political. Nice goal shifting too.

[Anonymous No.11485426]

>>11485416
Jesus Christ.

[Anonymous No.11485433]

>>11485207
kek, are they so ignorant they don't know kim's role in the great game and the disillusionment with both empire and irish subjugation? does this angelou mind her fans are ignorant racists who hate potato niggers? i'm guessing they don't mind us saying potato niggers since they only care about starving/oppressed people who are the right colour to count. should we only count the middle class blacks as black too, because the african blacks and povs are probably oppressing them with their actual problems?

[Anonymous No.11485435]

>>11485422
>says Orwell

[Anonymous No.11485439]

>>11485207
>Riddi Viswanathan, student union diversity officer
>diversity officer
What the fuck am I reading?

[Anonymous No.11485441]

>>11485207
>The University of Manchester said the union was independently operated and it had no comment to add.

So we are going to get angry that some students at a school none of us go to, acting independently of the university administration or teaching faculty, with absolutely no effect whatsoever on curriculum, have replaced a poem by a nobel laureate (whose fame and canonical place in no way will be diminished by this act) because it was a fucking depressing reminder of an imperial past to have up in a student union and replaced it with a poem by another author, unarguably part of the English canon, that they prefer to think about because it makes them feel strong and good every day?

It's literally fucking nothing. Almost as though you all just want to be angry and feel superior to others by insulting people that like different poems.

[Anonymous No.11485444]

>>11485439
The Cathedral

[Anonymous No.11485449]

>>11485444
Big if true

[Anonymous No.11485451]

>>11485433
best to only count the half blacks and middle class scarf wearing hipster blacks as black. no yardie's going give a fuck you call him bad man

[Anonymous No.11485453]

>>11485207
and they replaced "If" which has to be one of the least offensive poems of his lol

[Anonymous No.11485457]

>>11485441
>because it was a fucking depressing reminder of an imperial past

You almost had me baited until here

[Anonymous No.11485468]

>>11485422
>suicidal left-wing extremist who wrote at a grade school level doesn't appreciate Kipling
I am shocked and appalled

[Anonymous No.11485469]

>>11485413
Using Papyrus was a really funny touch

[Anonymous No.11485476]

>>11485347
BASED

[Anonymous No.11485477]

>>11485468
>>11485422
The real irony is that Kipling was 100% Orwell's biggest influence. This is an obvious case of killing your father

[Anonymous No.11485485]

Every time they do something like this, they push more people to the alt-right.

[Anonymous No.11485497]

>>11485439
Diversify your bonds NIGGA

[Anonymous No.11485499]

>>11485207
>write white guy's poem with respect for his punctuation, line breaks, and with upper and lower case, in clear writing
>write shorter poem by black woman in CAPS with more uneven lines than the poem you're writing over as your line guide, with no respect for line breaks or punctuation in the original poem
>edit out a couple of her stanzas while you're at it
i'm not sure what they meant by this

[Anonymous No.11485501]

It would be amazing if a middlebrow mediocrity like Kipling got replaced by someone like Derek Walcott, but this is like stepping from shit to dung.

[Anonymous No.11485505]

>>11485374
the only “shitskins” hated by that poem were the Germans (a correct opinion by the way), and this was written mostly in the shock and anger of losing his son
Kipling’s only good work is for literal children (not a knock on him but also not high literature) or written after the war when he realized the Empire was retarded and responsible for his son dying for no reason

[Anonymous No.11485507]

>>11485439
>Professional Tattletale

[Anonymous No.11485509]

>>11485435
>>11485468
Psueds detected. Orwell's fiction is middle brow but his non fiction is excellent. This guy was taking on the establishment and liberal left in the fucking 40s, would've hated the shit in the op too. Engage with his ideas or fuck off.

[Anonymous No.11485512]

>>11485477
>The real irony is that Kipling was 100% Orwell's biggest influence.
Explain.

[Anonymous No.11485514]

>>11485499
>>edit out a couple of her stanzas
lol fuck man, nice catch.

I think they probably got rid of the verse with thighs and diamonds because it probably triggers them about their thunderthighs and trustfunds.

[Anonymous No.11485515]

>>11485505
>Empire good hmm no empire bad
>German people good hmm no German people bad

Imagine this being your brain. Kipling was never an unqualified celebrator of Empire like retards like you presume, he viewed it as a pragmatic reality and superior to what would happen if Britain just stepped aside and left places like Africa to be a victim to itself

[Anonymous No.11485519]

>>11485328
this. all other arguments are merely stoking the otherwise pithy fire.

[Anonymous No.11485524]

>>11485519
i'd argue it's not a wall, but a piece of cardboard.

[Anonymous No.11485530]

>>11485512
Kipling was in many ways the first post-Victorian writer, though he began writing during the 19th century the consciousness he occupied was how to deal with a global world which was beginning to deal with the insecurities and confusions of modernity. He was the first English writer to begin seriously considering the meaning of mass politics, race and post-Imperialism all of which Orwell inherited from him in the same quiet individualist perspective

There is no other writer a generation before Orwell who comes close to matching his attitudes and style. Dickens comes close but lacked the teeth and forward vision Kipling had which was so integral to Orwell

[Anonymous No.11485531]

>>11485207
I don't care about saying something is racist but don't fucking replace it with shit because it's from a black person

[Anonymous No.11485533]

>>11485515
He never liked Germans you retard. And if you actually read his poetry there is a sharp twist around the time of the Great War. I am discussing a poet in regard to his politics. You are discussing politics using a poet as some sort of retarded pawn. See how my approach is better because then you don’t get forced to make up stupid shit to fit what you are trying to argue. Change your approach or demap yourself.

[Anonymous No.11485534]

>>11485207
I'm numb to all of this. I'm just going to sit in my corner and read good literature while the world burns around me.

[Anonymous No.11485539]

>>11485533
>He never liked Germans

[Anonymous No.11485540]

Why did they edit the Angelou poem?

[Anonymous No.11485546]

>>11485509
That essay doesn't explain why Kipling is bad poetry for reasons beyond Orwell's own moral disorder. It's an obnoxious screed that has little to do with literature and everything to do with gossip and politics. Orwell even admits he takes pleasure from reading Kipling's poetry but struggles to disqualify his enjoyment of objectively great writing by comparing it to candy. The whole essay is just one psychological exercise in convincing himself that the samizdat isn't even that good and actually he's GLAD the apparatchiks banned it because he wasn't planning on reading it anyways.

[Anonymous No.11485550]

>>11485540
Too long for sub-90 IQ shitskins to read

[Anonymous No.11485554]

>>11485364
Are your poems in a book somewhere?

[Anonymous No.11485567]

>>11485539
Great counterpoint. I sincerely hope one day you realize how much time you’ve wasted and read an actual book.

[Anonymous No.11485568]

>>11485550
But they wrote all of If it looks like... WTF is going on in OP pic? Why fuck up the poem you're putting on top?

[Anonymous No.11485570]

>>11485533
>And if you actually read his poetry there is a sharp twist around the time of the Great War.
No wonder
>be a war correspondent, think war is brutal and bloody, but romantic, builds character and is often necessary
>the Great War starts
>send the son to fight Germans
>oh shit, the trench war isn't what I imagined
>lose the son in some random artillery strike, get shat on by all England for glorifying the war afterwards

[Anonymous No.11485573]

>>11485567
My man you have made zero actual point this entire thread, just absolute asspull generalizations of a nuanced man's opinions. If you have been reading books yourself I suggest you stop since they've clearly been doing you no good

[Anonymous No.11485574]

>>11485378
>it's OK to produce interracial porn with tax payer money if /tv/ folk are dumb

[Anonymous No.11485580]

>>11485574
>it's OK to produce interracial porn with tax payer money
as a taxpayer, i agree with this part of your greentext.

[Anonymous No.11485588]

>>11485499
>>write white guy's poem with respect for his punctuation, line breaks, and with upper and lower case, in clear writing
>[I]'m not sure what they meant by this[.]
No need to thank me.

[Anonymous No.11485595]

>>11485546
Read it again.

[Anonymous No.11485597]

>>11485588
>>[I]'m not sure what they meant by this[.]
>i'm not sure what they meant by this [stet. author's intention]
you're welcome to bask in my reflected glory, sweetie, but not edit it.

[Anonymous No.11485601]

>>11485207
This is stupid. Practically every first or second tier writer of the period would qualify today as a "racist" or (more likely) "anti-semitic." They mostly escape censure to the extent that they do not even address the question of race or ethnicity. I mean if this is acceptable, why not deface Aristotle or Plato, or practically every other philosophical or literary genius that commented on "barbarians" or "savages" or "primitives" etc? You just have to accept the good with the bad and the ugly.

[Anonymous No.11485607]

>>11485568
>Why fuck up the poem you're putting on top?

Because they don't actually care about the poet they're using at all, she just has a nigress name and so she's as good as any to push their own political narrative

[Anonymous No.11485613]

>>11485546
Disregard >>11485595
What I meant is "read it against and read the whole thing this time."

[Anonymous No.11485618]

>>11485607
I just figured they got high between writing it, but it's probably this. It is pretty fucked up they cared enough about the Kipling poem they're meant to hate to not cut out half his shit. I suppose If is easier to get stuck in your head too.

[Anonymous No.11485631]

>>11485358
>Its more or less literal book burning
lmao you fucking drama queen
No one is stopping people from reading the poem if they want to

[Anonymous No.11485632]

>>11485618
Its shit smearing, its more appropriate to them they're showing what they're covering up than what they're actually covering it up with.
Resentiment politics in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.11485633]

>>11485601
>why not deface Aristotle or Plato, or practically every other philosophical or literary genius that commented on "barbarians" or "savages" or "primitives" etc?
They want to and they will.

[Anonymous No.11485635]

>>11485631
>hey just because we burned these books doesn't mean you can't go get your own

[Anonymous No.11485637]

>>11485632
I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt they were just really stoned, but you are probably right.

[Anonymous No.11485638]

>>11485573
I’m the only one making points. You are just going on about nuance and how everything is grey and all these tiring things. If you wish to disprove anything I claimed, I would be eager to hear it but otherwise I think /his/ might be more your speed.

[Anonymous No.11485646]

>>11485638
it's like you're unironically channelling the wrong characters from just so stories

[Anonymous No.11485650]

Maya Angelou is dogshit. Might be less talented then Kaur. Rupi knows how to appeal to the masses, she is not only popular because of her skin color and gender. People actually like her shitty poems, they don't need to pretend. Not the case with Angelou and the actual quality of her poems is not far off from Rupi's.

[Anonymous No.11485656]

>>11485650
Come now, anon, if you edit out half a Rupi poem, you just have a word left. They weren't that high, or the qt in the pic wouldn't be standing.

[Anonymous No.11485669]

Front page news on the BBC; no mention of it whatsoever on Reuters. Which one is more credible...

[Anonymous No.11485670]

>>11485656
>qt
>overweight shitskin

[Anonymous No.11485673]

>diversity officer
>liberation and access officer

[Anonymous No.11485676]

It was not part of their blood,
It came to them very late,
With long arrears to make good,
When the Saxon began to hate.

They were not easily moved,
They were icy -- willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the Saxon began to hate.

Their voices were even and low.
Their eyes were level and straight.
There was neither sign nor show
When the Saxon began to hate.

It was not preached to the crowd.
It was not taught by the state.
No man spoke it aloud
When the Saxon began to hate.

It was not suddently bred.
It will not swiftly abate.
Through the chilled years ahead,
When Time shall count from the date
That the Saxon began to hate.

[Anonymous No.11485678]

>>11485669
>bbc
>credibility
Don't know anything about Reuters, but come on. You can as well read RT by this point.

[Anonymous No.11485684]

>>11485413
>Kanye
>Left wing
lol didn't even read any of it but I can tell this is some uninformed /pol/ shit

[Anonymous No.11485688]

>>11485670
>pleasantly plump oriental
>probably thinks he's aryan when he's no appreciation of the zaftig schone madchen-hure in OP pic
please leave, american, this is a board for real people.

[Anonymous No.11485691]

>>11485678
Reuters is p.good

[Anonymous No.11485694]

>>11485688
>probably thinks he's aryan

I don't, I'm Irish

[Anonymous No.11485695]

>>11485207
>this is not a replacement

lmao

also, they will come for even Shakespeare in the end.

[Anonymous No.11485700]

>>11485694
>I’m Irish
Definitely an American

[Anonymous No.11485703]

>>11485694
is fós óinseach tú

[Anonymous No.11485707]

>>11485695
>also, they will come for even Shakespeare in the end.
he'll be fine, we just won't tell them that lady montagu had men over for her salons

[Anonymous No.11485710]

>>11485703
Sorry not doing my LC, I don't speak gaylick

[Anonymous No.11485711]

>>11485341
This. I'm not a proponent of the White Man's Burden but you have to be pretty fucking dense to not recognize Kipling's talent

[Anonymous No.11485713]

>>11485635
>oh no they took down the big scroll of one poem by kipling how will i now ever come into contact with his work

[Anonymous No.11485719]

>>11485444
Yup

[Anonymous No.11485721]

>>11485713
Belittle it all you want, its still burning of the work of others rather than creating anything new of your own

[Anonymous No.11485722]

If you don't get chills from The Gods of the Copybook Headings you're confirmed a trash kid

[Anonymous No.11485726]

>>11485721
>a student ploy is book burning
You're off your tiny little rocker, mate.

[Anonymous No.11485736]

>>11485710
>i haven't lived in ireland long enough to be obliged to have sat it for JC
>i also think the LC is the first exam in Irish
>that's how in touch with my "Irishness" i am
kindly fuck off, americunt, real people are talking about things you don't understand well enough to contribute to meaningfully. ask your electronic helper what the bigger words in the last sentence mean if you're still having problems.

[Anonymous No.11485737]

>>11485726
Its literally destroying another persons text out of purely political motivations. You have some very forced goodthink going on to deny that

[Anonymous No.11485743]

>>11485736
I don't know what the fuck you're on about. I'm like Joyce I think the Irish language is a Milhouse

[Anonymous No.11485745]

>>11485722
This
post-war Punished Kipling is unironically good

[Anonymous No.11485751]

>>11485743
>I don't know how the Irish school system works
>but please believe me I'm Irish
uhhuh, your opinion has been noted and sent to the relevant entity.

[Anonymous No.11485755]

reminder that Kipling is an indian author

[Anonymous No.11485757]

>>11485751
Whatever little culchie boy. I'd be glad if I wasn't Irish

[Anonymous No.11485760]

>>11485721
If write a graffiti poem on the wall of my neighbours house is it a book burning if they remove it

[Anonymous No.11485765]

>>11485737
Get your fucking shit together, kid.

[Anonymous No.11485767]

>>11485757
>my parents kept me out of the school system to make me cosmopolitan by sending me to an autism school which at least was in the capital which makes me better than you
>that's why my curriculum had no language requirement
st declan's alum? bless.

[Anonymous No.11485769]

>>11485760
Yeah sure, why not

[Anonymous No.11485772]

>>11485207
>Riddi Viswanathan, student union diversity officer
>Sara Khan, liberation and access officer at the union
THE ABSOLUTE FUCKING STATE OF ENGLAND
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.11485773]

>>11485769
Then it doesn’t seem like such a big deal desu

[Anonymous No.11485775]

>>11485767
I really have no idea what the fuck is going on in your head, like seriously you are actually autistic.
You realize I said I'm not doing the LC because its the last point at which people study Irish
Holyfuck, this is why I need to get out of Ireland

[Anonymous No.11485778]

>>11485745
Feels like we're due for a visit from them again

[Anonymous No.11485782]

>>11485773
Nah guess not

[Anonymous No.11485785]

Imagine being a 30+ year old /pol/fag and getting so mad at reading an article about 18 year olds acting like 18 year olds (i.e. retards) from another country 5000 miles away that you have to go to another board that you don’t browse and spend multiple hours trying to convince those people to be angry
Imagine

[Anonymous No.11485807]

>>11485785
it is a strange, sad little existence for incels

[Anonymous No.11485814]

>>11485707
>he'll be fine
Famous last words

[Anonymous No.11485815]

>>11485775
>can't understand Irish they teach six year olds
>b-but I'm not doing the exam for 18 year olds, and I didn't have to sit the one for 15 year olds
>I'm just the only person in Ireland who didn't have to sit Irish for Junior Cert without being a) officially retarded or b) foreign
How glaring an oversight in the system that they didn't make you sit a state exam every non-retarded and non-foreign 15y/o person had to sit and pass, you should really contact the Roinn Oideacheas; you're either so far off grid you might as well be a boat person, or the fact you're on a computer without a nurse is a respite care scandal.

[Anonymous No.11485816]

>>11485785
Imagine being annoyed at someone doing that since you're submissively defined by their existence, as bogus as it is

[Anonymous No.11485817]

>>11485207
>poem is literally about the futility of colonial endeavors
>WOE TO YOU, BABYLON
>TODAY WE RIPPED THE IMPERIALIST DREK FROM YOUR WALLS
>YOU WILL NOT SILENCE THOSE VOICES WHICH ELUCIDATE OPPRESSION
>ALL SHALL KNOW THE TIMBRE AND BREADTH OF OUR STRUGGLE
>SLAAAAAAAAAAAY

believe it or not, some people have real problems

[Anonymous No.11485818]

>>11485815
I did sit it, I said I'm not doing it right now you absolute fucking retard. I'm sure you did great in the leaving

[Anonymous No.11485823]

>>11485530
A famous essay/ introduction to Kipling by Orwell goes to great lengths to explain why Kipling's work could maybe be seen as racist or proto-fascist, only to eventually conclude that his talent and the fact that it arose from an earlier time redeem it

[Anonymous No.11485832]

>>11485818
>only people who are sitting the LC right now (when the exams are over last month) speak Irish
I think you're thinking of Brigadoon or Germelshausen, not Ireland. You can tell the difference because Ireland is a real place in which your story about being Irish doesn't add up.

[Anonymous No.11485833]

>>11485823
>A famous essay/ introduction to Kipling by Orwell goes to great lengths to explain why Kipling's work could maybe be seen as racist or proto-fascist

Which is ironic because the same can be said of Orwell

[Anonymous No.11485841]

>>11485347
whats meant with the cat?

[Anonymous No.11485845]

>>11485832
Mental disorder

[Anonymous No.11485846]

kipling is shit. angelou is shit too. they should have just smeared shit everywhere.

[Anonymous No.11485847]

>>11485841
Cat o nine tails, used in corporal punishment

[Anonymous No.11485849]

>>11485497
lmao

[Anonymous No.11485858]

>>11485785
delet this

[Anonymous No.11485861]

>>11485785
>lol dude it's just a prank, don't get mad

You're not that smart yourself.

[Anonymous No.11485880]

>>11485845
And yet the government still says that you would have to be either diagnosed with learning disabilities, or foreign and/or living abroad through primary schooling, to be exempt from understanding Irish to that level. Hm. Perhaps you're right and the whole of the Irish education system is just based around my mental disorder and the minister is just waiting for my brainwaves to come through and change the history exam back to a notable cause of suicide.
More likely, you're an Americunt who likes to pretend they're Irish, or were declared retarded enough you weren't required to sit any state exam. Either that or my brainwaves have hacked the official sites. Spooky.

[Anonymous No.11485889]

>>11485601
>why not deface Aristotle or Plato, or practically every other philosophical or literary genius
You don't understand anon. We are perfect and know everything, so if we choose to censor or alter something from the past there can be no question that we might be wrong to do so.

[Anonymous No.11485897]

The UK seriously disgusts me. The ones who aren't raging leftists have no backbone.

[Anonymous No.11485903]

>>11485601
>plato and aristotle
Lmao like who cares lol are you like an incel or something u mad

[Anonymous No.11485905]

When /pol/ talks about saving the white race I look at the UK and wonder why should we?

[Anonymous No.11485912]

>>11485905
>Uk
>white
Good one

[Anonymous No.11485914]

>>11485816
I can't even begin to understand what that is supposed to mean.

[Anonymous No.11485915]

>>11485903
stop picking on the faggot for reading plato, you racist bitch, it's part of his culture

[Anonymous No.11485919]

>>11485601
It would be completely accectable to destroy everything those two made they were pretty much wrong about everything anyways

[Anonymous No.11485931]

>>11485601
Are those the only philosophers you could think of?

[Anonymous No.11485939]

>>11485688
>zaftig schone madchen-hure
I have no idea what this means, but I like the sound of it.
>>11485823
It's painfully obvious that you've never read it, unless you skimmed it "because that's enough for me to gain an understanding of the content."

[Anonymous No.11485941]

>>11485422
>Those who now call themselves Conservatives are either Liberals, Fascists or the accomplices of Fascists.
>1942
wow Orwell was really ahead of the curve with this whole Nazi thing

[Anonymous No.11485949]

>>11485880
My guess is "Irish but diagnosed with learning disabilities," considering, well, everything.

[Anonymous No.11485961]

>>11485931
They could target Kant, Voltaire, and Hume for their racism.

[Anonymous No.11485989]

>>11485949
You couldn't let my dream of the five four-page essays in three hours with marks off for inaccurate dating history exam making its comeback live a little longer?

[Anonymous No.11486025]

>>11485358
>Its more or less literal book burning

Lmao, stop being such a hysterical snowflake

[Anonymous No.11486029]

>>11486025
What is book burning in spirit more than publicly erasing the work of someone you don't like?

[Anonymous No.11486034]

>>11485785
this lmao I'm fucking loling at this thread, what a piece of shit this board has become, all the whiny drama queens in this thread lmao

[Anonymous No.11486039]

>>11486034
Yeah lmao like lmao why do you even care lmao like lmao just don't yikes

[Anonymous No.11486045]

>>11486034
ikr it's like they like poetry here or some shit. lol fags

[Anonymous No.11486049]

>>11485444
More like The Synagogue

[Anonymous No.11486054]

>>11485422
>bong hackwriter says kipling is bad
Oh noez
Meanwhile Joyce and Eliot both liked his work

[Anonymous No.11486058]

>>11486054
Also borges

[Anonymous No.11486061]

>>11485633
I hope so, Plato and Aristotle were wrong about pretty much everything

[Anonymous No.11486066]

>>11486039
>>11486045
If if it were poets of genuine talent, I'd care. Kipling? Nope, lmao. You guys are aware that he's been ridiculed for his racist views even from his age onward, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Man%27s_Burden#Literary_responses

Of course you don't. If this were a good poet, someone worth reading today, someone still resonant in some way today, sure, I'd care. Kipling is none of that, and though Angelou isn't better, the entire issue isn't something even worth my attention. Keep whining, though. :^)

[Anonymous No.11486067]

>>11486054
>Eliot wasn't a hack

[Anonymous No.11486068]

>>11485378
>nobody on /tv/ read a single line of homer
Most high schoolers have to read at least a bit of the Iliad.

[Anonymous No.11486071]

>>11486067
Eliot could be interesting. Reading Orwell is lime reading a college student

[Anonymous No.11486080]

>>11485574
I fucking wish state television would make interracial porn.
>>11486071
Could be, but unforunately isn't.

[Anonymous No.11486081]

>>11486066
Yeah, but you don’t have the intellectual capacity to rate Kipling, or even to understand him.

Tell me about the diction of harp-song of the dane women

[Anonymous No.11486089]

>>11486066
>having to assume everyone else is retarded in order to tell yourself you have a good reading of a situation

See how that keeps working out for you fat ugly dykemind

[Anonymous No.11486094]

>>11486080
>bad bad bad no no no
It’s all you people seem to know how to say. Can’t you give a single reason?

[Anonymous No.11486098]

>>11486066
Kipling is far from top tier but you have absolutely no sense of literary value if you can proudly let people see you call him bad

[Anonymous No.11486099]

>>11486094
You start.

[Anonymous No.11486101]

>>11486061
You've caught the retarded

[Anonymous No.11486104]

>>11486099
Start what, you're the one making the claim dingus

[Anonymous No.11486115]

>>11485413
genuinely concerned for the people who make these kind of infographics, their concept of reality is beyond warped. get help, whoever you are

also
>the mention of 'brown people' on the right
lmao, not even an argument left alongside it, just racism plain

[Anonymous No.11486118]

>>11486104
What? You brought up Orwell being a hack and Eliot not being one, and you've substantized neither of it.

[Anonymous No.11486119]

>>11485424
>Yes but most painting overs are agreed between both parties
There's no indication in the article that this wasn't agreed, and what do you even mean by 'both parties'? Members of the student union painted over a poem on the wall in the student union headquarters. It also says 'the union' apologised about the original poem. The only dissenting voice seems to be someone who has nothing much to do with the wall in question .

>and non-political
Fair enough. But lots of political shit happens and it's still not important.

>Nice goal shifting too
I wasn't claiming that this wasn't 'defacing', I was questioning the importance of the act. I mean I could write 'this poem sucks' in a library book (or my own book) and I would be 'defacing a poem', but I wouldn't expect it to make the news.

[Anonymous No.11486127]

>>11485233
>sweetie
tits or gtfo

[Anonymous No.11486130]

>>11486119
Your point in the end is being an agent of promoting disinterest and the problem about cretins like you with nothing to contribute is that you would continue promoting apathy on and on and on forever until the entire English corriculum is flushed down the toilet more than it already is.

[Anonymous No.11486135]

>>11485785
Imagine getting upset when you see more examples of a growing global trend of censuring and destroying art you deeply care about lmao what a loser

[Anonymous No.11486137]

>>11486127
imagine being so deaf to satire

[Anonymous No.11486140]

>>11485601
It's stupid, but so is your argument. They targeted the poem's content and meaning specifically. "Why don't they just target every poet who I assume was racist because of the time?" doesn't actually make sense when the problem is the complaint is they were being towered over by a poem they saw as offensive.

[Anonymous No.11486148]

>>11486066
>If if it were poets of genuine talent, I'd care. Kipling? Nope, lmao
>unironically uses the rhetorical technique kipling does
>it's a pale imitation
If's an excellent poem. It's hard to find one that so many people know by heart and are moved by if you eliminate nursery rhymes. The idea it's not still resonant, and resonant above most other poems, comes from someone who lives under a rock. Enjoy your rock and pretending that you know what outside is like. I'm sure nobody here has an objection to you continuing.

[Anonymous No.11486158]

>>11486115
You aren't from around here, are you?

[Anonymous No.11486162]

>>11486118
The words is “substantivized”
I never said Eliot was a great writer, only that he was clever and could be interesting as a critic. His opinion is worth more than yours for obvious reasons. You could prove me wrong by evincing great critical skill, but that seems pretty unlikely given the tenor of this conversation. Do you think you could analyze 16th century prose as well as Eliot does? If you can, say so and tell me what’s the matter with Eliot’s criticism.

Kipling received the praises of Joyce, Eliot, Borges, Wilson, and others. So if you want to show me that he’s undeserving, you’ll have to give reasons.

[Anonymous No.11486164]

>Kipling was a skilled writer
lmao er uh *coughs* that's, hm, like? incorrect? *pats you on the had* so sowwy, have another go at it honey-bum :^) *smooches you sarcastically* Kipling was wacist *twiddles a pinky finger inside your wittle asshole* and NOT good, you nazi shitheel?

Maya Angelou though.... now THAT's what I call poetry

[Anonymous No.11486167]

>>11486148
The guy you're talking to is a literal urchin, he's comfortable in the notion enough intelligent people keep guardianship on actual good poems he takes the chance to be a literary hipster and sticks to positioning himself on safer obscure poets (mere names) he doesn't even enjoy out of sheer opportunism. Its absolutely pathetic

[Anonymous No.11486174]

>>11486164
Kipling wasn’t a skilled writer though

[Anonymous No.11486177]

>>11486174
Well Joyce seemed to think he did so thats some fucking claim

[Anonymous No.11486215]

>>11486174
that's *tickles you* what i said? my oonsie little baby pumpkin? my little baby gumdrop fairy? *changes your nappy* *pats your bottom full of powder* *shits on your face* oopsie-doopsie *smears it on your mouth* isn't that better? my oonsie little turd baby? :^)

[Anonymous No.11486228]

>>11485207
>1895

[Anonymous No.11486235]

>>11486162
My opinion? We were talking about Orwell's.

[Anonymous No.11486238]

this disturbs me so much. Fuck these people. I hate how we’re getting used to this bullshit.

[Anonymous No.11486255]

>>11485755
don't you know only brown people can be indian you fucking racist

england -- sorry, britain -- anyone can be that

[Anonymous No.11486260]

>>11486215
This is hot, keep posting

[Anonymous No.11486272]

>>11486260
cute! the baby boy is even carrying a boybaby. the only question is: when is the boy birth hahahhaha

[Anonymous No.11486275]

I am Indian and I bought these for my birthday.
Down with the liberal fascism

[Anonymous No.11486299]

>>11485413
Excellent infograph. However, Kanye should be replaced with Beyoncé.

[Anonymous No.11486301]

>>11486260
Man what.

[Anonymous No.11486303]

>>11486148
>Unironical argumentum ad populum
Bet you are equally ready to defend that bugman screech called This Be the Verse since every twenty sonething homo described as "sensitive" by his mother that tripe by heart.

[Anonymous No.11486317]

>>11485312
Fact. It had a huge influence on me when I was younger.

[Anonymous No.11486324]

>>11485207
Wait, how long had the poem been there? If it's less than 10 years I don't see how this otherwise cringeworthy act ia a "defacement".

[Anonymous No.11486342]

>>11486275
Shut up smelly brown man

[Anonymous No.11486355]

>>11486275
>penguin classics

[Anonymous No.11486356]

>>11486317
But it is the breasts which are eternal, while freedom is ever fleeting.

[Anonymous No.11486360]

>>11485601
What i dont understand is how they gloss over how racist people like hegel and Marx were

[Anonymous No.11486366]

>>11486360
>"Cultural Marxism"
>having anything to do with Marx

[Anonymous No.11486368]

>>11486356
Just like breasts resisting against sag, freedom is something that must always be struggled to protect

[Anonymous No.11486408]

>>11486275
This isn't actually about the content or merits of Kipling's work or about being Indian in India. It's about asserting dominance over the English in Britain.

[Anonymous No.11486480]

>>11486275
Indians and the Burmese actually seem to have more respect for Kipling than the British do

In high school my Indian friend's dad always had one of those fat Viking portables of Kipling lying around. He also had an anthology of British Raj stories with Kipling on the cover. He disliked Britain but liked Kipling

When I was in Burma every hotel bar and tourist trap was named after the guy or one of his poems. The natives were constantly hawking Kipling collections; if they saw you were white and spoke English they'd try to get you to buy either that or Orwell's Burmese Days. Wonder what Orwell would make of that

[Anonymous No.11486487]

>>11485347
After Healey's trading figures,
After Wilson's squalid crew,
And the rising tide of niggers,
What a treat to turn to you.

[Anonymous No.11486511]

>>11486480
Because unlike the shithole of Pakistan and the shit people who leave that shithole for being a shithole. India all memes aside manages to be a secular republic founded on constitutional values because they actually carried on all the good ideas of the British Imperial mindset instead of reacting against it out of resentiment and shitty Islamic values

[Anonymous No.11486536]

>>11486480
Didn’t Kipling say he wanted to be reborn an Indian and bang Indian qts all day

[Anonymous No.11486542]

Why do they all act like they're doing these heroic things? That's what always annoys me the most. Do you have anything interesting about you other than your political opinions?

[Anonymous No.11486547]

>>11486360
I always do enjoy people screaming “Marx was righ!” Even though Marx wrote an entire book full of anti-semitism.

>>11486366
Most of these people are unapologetically communists though

[Anonymous No.11486548]

>>11486542
They're trying to kick down doors that were opened many decades ago for lack of having anything real to rage against.

[Anonymous No.11486552]

>>11486542
>Do you have anything interesting about you other than your political opinions?

They're objectively unintelligent minorities and female ones at that. Of course not

[Anonymous No.11486566]

>>11485240
Haven't you figured out that that the enshrinement of mediocrity is part of these people's marching orders?

No artist can actually be "good" because they'd no longer be aspirational. They have to create work any damn fool could create because anything that gives a hint at either innate skill at or cultivated practice of one's art comes across as anti-egalitarian.

It's why their art is so bad. It *has* to be for ideological reasons.

If you want to imagine the future of literature, imagine a community college creative writing course taught by someone who looks like Miss Cleo, forever.

[Anonymous No.11486576]

>>11486542
They want to do progressive politics, like old school revolutionaries, but can't, because under any Marxist analysis they, the wealthy bourgeois scions of privilege, are the bad guys. ID-pol gives them a way to be the heroes.

[Anonymous No.11486588]

>>11485207
ah yes, the notoriously underrepresented writer maya angelou
how kind of them

[Anonymous No.11486606]

>>11485207
Completely demoralised

[Anonymous No.11486629]

>>11485240
>Her work is the height of mediocrity
If you look at works these people praise, you'll find that they're consistently mediocre and bland. The goal is to find something that affirms their beliefs in the most accessible way possible.

[Anonymous No.11486640]

>>11486629
You’re righT, ofc, but I still think those people should do better. Even Oprah praised Derek Walcott ffs... Angelou is horrendous.

[Anonymous No.11486644]

>>11486536
I don't know about that but basically nothing in his entire corpus contains anything but positive portrayals of India and Indians.

[Anonymous No.11486645]

>>11486640
YAAAAAAAAAAAAS QUEEN SLAY

[Anonymous No.11486649]

>>11486629
>The goal is to find something that affirms their beliefs in the most accessible way possible.
Reckon this is why Rupi Kaur is somehow popular? I've friends who have written better poems about post-masturbation thoughts as a joke.

[Anonymous No.11486654]

>>11486511
At least Pakis are better at using toilets

[Anonymous No.11486661]

>>11485833
>Orwell
>racist or proto-fascist
What? He rarely talked about race in his work and he wasn't fascist at all. He loved democracy and personal freedoms. In fact, in the 1940s he frequently shit on other socialists for turning a blind eye to the authoritarianism of the USSR. You could call him a homophobe but I think that's it.

[Anonymous No.11486662]

>>11486654
A little bit, you don't get points for shitting on the ground less than the guy next door

[Anonymous No.11486667]

>>11485939
Different anon here, in the essay does Orwell conclude Kipling undeniably has talent?

[Anonymous No.11486672]

>student union diversity officer

[Anonymous No.11486677]

>>11486661
>He rarely talked about race in his work

I see you haven't read any of his personal writings. Down and Out in Paris contains a lot of discussion on race including the Jewish question. He worked in Burma as a policeman, dealing with race was a big part of his life

> he wasn't fascist at all.

Animal Farm is a quintessentially reactionary work, it basically comes down to the less intelligent lower beings should accept the rulership of the higher beings. 1984 in turn has been constantly utilized by the far right including very much being loved on /pol/ for its use in deriding Communists and other Left Wing ideologues.

To be clear in all this I don't think Orwell was either "racist" whatever the fuck that word means or a fascist. I'm merely saying if you're going to make a case for Kipling its very do so for Orwell too

[Anonymous No.11486679]

>>11486654
>unsanitary but otherwise fine
vs.
>Islamic barbarians who know how to use the toilet
I would go with Indians every time.

[Anonymous No.11486682]

>>11486677
I've read The Road to Wigan Pier but that was entirely about the white British working class so race never came up. I guess I need to read Down and Out in Paris and London. Where else does he discuss race?

[Anonymous No.11486684]

>>11486679
To be clear Pakistanis do shit on the ground, they just do it less than India

[Anonymous No.11486695]

>>11486649
Rupi Kaur is popular for the same reason Angelou is: because a large corporation scouted out looking for products to sell, and found her works. What you buy when you buy Kaur or Angelou's works isn't a poem you want to read (they're garbage); rather, you are buying the ability to signal to your peers that you are a virtuous person for owning the good and that you are part of the in-group for conforming to group norms. The media, simulating popular opinion through various mouth pieces, a herd mentality towards the good (this is functionally what a laughtrack does, on an unrelated note).

This is basically how all popular artists (and """""""""""artists""""""""") come about. In the case of Angelou, her works were selected because she was a struggling urban Black female artist who "went back to Africa to discover her roots", tapping into the general angst over Black America in the '70s. Kaur, meanwhile, taps into the "generic browngirl who is TUFF and stands for FEMINISM at COLLEGE" stereotype. Indians are a good demographic for corporate usage because they don't misbehave like Blacks, nor do they have the human capital to demand a cut of the pie for themselves like Asians. They're smart enough to be seen at college, but not smart enough to try and take advantage of college. This is important because if the ethnicity of the author is too weird (Nahua, Australian Aborigine, Basque) then it's too hard to drum up media attention to their plight. Because the target demographic for this book is college students (who again, care VERY much about their conspicuous consumption), Indians are an especially good demographic due to the boom in students from India coming to the US.

[Anonymous No.11486714]

>>11486140
the poem was "If".

I struggle to imagine anyone could be offended by that. Although I also disagree with
>>11485601
Kipling wasnt just some racist. He was an active promoter of imerialism.

However, again, it was If. A poem that has so completely seeped in to popular culture that just about everyone knows it, even if they dont know the authour. Whch is why it could be used as decor.

[Anonymous No.11486719]

>>11486303
>i don't know how language works
>let's pretend that we teach kids metered rhymes because it's the hardest way to memorize and easier to write than free verse
I figured the arguments from linguistics and prosody were obvious, but apparently you grew up ignorant of such things. Now, how much money are you giving me for your retarded fantasy bet?
By the way, if you check what anon and I were arguing, which was its resonance with the public, you might find that his argumentum ad populum is not just a fallacy of means but also a fallacious premise. You could fault me if the means were not in question, but not faulting him for an entirely made up premise which has no reflection in reality seems rather like you're more retarded than even the anon I was responding to then. I'll give you a few hours while you try to work out what the Gettier problem is from wikipedia and you can get back to me about why you don't understand prosody in a month after Nabokov and Pushkin. The money you bet though will have to come sooner than those if you want me to give you even a minimum wage level of further instruction to your future errors.

[Anonymous No.11486720]

>>11486682
Not sure, Down and Out is the only place it comes up strongly. There are a lot of racial elements in 1984 too

[Anonymous No.11486725]

>>11486679
Relax, Pajeet, nobody here thinks you are any less subhuman than your Paki brothers.

[Anonymous No.11486731]

>>11486725
t. Mahmoud

[Anonymous No.11486743]

>>11486536
>>11486480
Kipling was as Indian as these people are British desu.

[Anonymous No.11486745]

>>11486714
>I struggle to imagine anyone could be offended by that
>you'll be a man my son
BAKA dude that you think that is okay. It. Is. Not. Okay. Like heteronormative much? Like patriarchical much? It's offensive to all folk who don't identify as male. Educate yourself

[Anonymous No.11486770]

>>11485207
>>11485270
>>11485320
Brits on suicide watch.

[Anonymous No.11486776]

>>11486174
>this is what /lit/ actually believes

[Anonymous No.11486792]

>>11485222
This kind of stuff happens in Indian universities all the time, retard.

[Anonymous No.11486799]

>>11485413
Gucci is based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.11486817]

>>11486792
Yeah now try Pakistani Universities. What did that little Paki girl get shot in the face for saying again

[Anonymous No.11486825]

>>11485222
>>11486817
So what you're saying is that they should behave as if they lived in Pakistan?

[Anonymous No.11486832]

>>11485574
What?

[Anonymous No.11486836]

>>11486825
No I'm saying they should literally fuck off back there

[Anonymous No.11486851]

>>11485539
Turns out you can just post an image of dumb wojack and suddenly your opponent looks like a giant idiot. Make some real discourse or kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.11486853]

>>11486667
Orwell explains how Kipling is in no way fascist, the opposite if anything, and at the end goes to length to describe literary flaws in his poetry and writing, and also that time does not in any way redeem it, as Kipling was often disliked by Brits in India, along with a list of other criticism.
>>11486836
That's the most boring thing you could possibly have said. >>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.11486855]

>>11486851
>Turns out you can just post an image of dumb wojack and suddenly your opponent looks like a giant idiot. Make some real discourse or kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.11486858]

>>11486855
Congratulations! You won!

[Anonymous No.11486862]

>>11486853
>That's the most boring thing you could possibly have said.

I don't give a fuck, thats what they should do. Just fuck off or respect what made the country you're in desirable in the first place

[Anonymous No.11486863]

>>11485207
>"Riddi Viswanathan, student union diversity officer, said elected members representing students felt Kipling was "not in line with our values", singling out his poem The White Man's Burden"
I can see how someone who feels more at home shitting on the street would be uncomfortable with white people providing brown people with civilization.

[Anonymous No.11486878]

>>11486862
>freedom made the country desirable
>thus make sure not to exercise that freedom
Hmm....

[Anonymous No.11486882]

>>11486878
Freedom doesn't make anywhere successful, its freedom exercised responsibly and deliberately. Otherwise you're just in fucking Africa

[Anonymous No.11486886]

>>11486649
Just remember that these people heaped praise onto a superhero flick earlier this year.

[Anonymous No.11486888]

>>11486882
Africa, the Continent of the Free.

[Anonymous No.11486891]

>>11486888
I know, which is why Kant asserts true freedom is in rightful action. It is not simply being able to do any amount of things but being able to do what is the best for yourself and others

[Anonymous No.11486896]

>>11486888
Freedom for the pike is death for the minnow and Africa is a clear demonstration of this.

Thus we can see that not all forms of freedom are good and some are destructive, and white countries are countries where freedom is used constructively instead of destructively.

[Anonymous No.11486907]

>>11486891
>>11486896
That's real interesting. Real interesting. Riveting stuff.

[Anonymous No.11486916]

>>11486907
>get yourself into an argument
>start acting like you never cared in the first place
If you don't care why are you still posting?

[Anonymous No.11486917]

>>11486886
Don't remind me, anon.

[Anonymous No.11486928]

>>11486916
Oh was he being ironic? I thought that was sincere because this is an interesting subject for adults

[Anonymous No.11486929]

>>11486916
I've too much of a headache to come up with funny ways of making fun of you, sorry.

[Anonymous No.11486935]

>>11486886
Really? Fatima Abid did?

[Anonymous No.11486937]

>>11486928
>>11486929
Don't expect further reply.

[Anonymous No.11486943]

In Myanmar, they shit outside,
India, in the streets.
But in Europe we all open wide
and have them shit out sheets.

[Anonymous No.11486947]

>>11486937
Oh, poo.

[Anonymous No.11486950]

>>11486929
>I've too much of a headache to come up with funny ways of making fun of you

Thats not a headache, thats just your brain

[Anonymous No.11486951]

>>11486862
>I don't give a fuck

That’s an even more boring and unoriginal response

[Anonymous No.11486962]

>>11486951
I'm more concerned with truth than entertainment here. You want funny go fuck off to /tv/

[Anonymous No.11486973]

>>11486677
>Animal Farm is a quintessentially reactionary work, it basically comes down to the less intelligent lower beings should accept the rulership of the higher beings.
Imagine being this retarded

[Anonymous No.11486976]

>>11486950
No, it's definitely a headache. It'd get very weird otherwise.

[Anonymous No.11486981]

>>11486962
Is that a fact?

[Anonymous No.11486984]

>>11486976
>Don't expect further reply.

[Anonymous No.11486989]

>>11486973
>Imagine being this retarded

Not wrong though. Feel free to present an argument

[Anonymous No.11486994]

>>11486984
What a silly thing to repeat.

[Anonymous No.11486998]

>>11486994
>>Don't expect further reply.

[Anonymous No.11487017]

Having nonwhite children in America should be a capital offense.

[Anonymous No.11487024]

>>11487017
Or England, or anywhere in Europe for that matter. They're useless except for labor children could do if they were permitted to.

[Anonymous No.11487057]

>>11487017
But then how will Americans reproduce?

[Anonymous No.11487065]

>>11486962
Okay

[Anonymous No.11487090]

>>11487057
ahahahahaha fantastic

[Anonymous No.11487159]

>>11485223
>With MAYA ANGELOU
OH NO NO NO OH OH OH

[Anonymous No.11487166]

>>>/pol/

not literature

[Anonymous No.11487168]

>>11487166
It very much is whether you like it or not

[Anonymous No.11487170]

>>11485413
/thread

[Anonymous No.11487173]

>>11487166
>not literature
Well, not anymore it isn't.

[Anonymous No.11487176]

>>11485684
>Kanye
>Right leaning
>I didn't read the rest but this is some /pol/ shit

Way to prove the image right lmao, in what world is *Kanye West* a Rightist? Oh wow he doesn't think Donald Trump is the next Adolf Hitler jeez what a nazi

[Anonymous No.11487191]

>>11487173

[Anonymous No.11487260]

>>11486130
>slippery slope
Ah, nice.

But here's the thing: this really is just trivial bullshit. You're absolutely right about disinterest. I honestly don't consider the fact that a student union has replaced one popular poem it was using as decoration with another to be worth caring about. And neither, I suspect, do you. I mean, what are you doing about it, other than killing some time by arguing about it online? It's conceivable that you've taken to the streets with a sign saying 'protect our Kipling', but I'm doubtful tbphwy

[Anonymous No.11487312]

>>11485347
Larkin was a miserable cunt in every way possible, that's why he's so special.

[Anonymous No.11487319]

>>11487260
Its not a slippery slope argument. Its more that you live in a deep pit of shit all the time

[Anonymous No.11487331]

>>11487260
>And neither, I suspect, do you. I mean, what are you doing about it, other than killing some time by arguing about it online? It's conceivable that you've taken to the streets with a sign saying 'protect our Kipling', but I'm doubtful tbphwy

Shit talks and money walks. I don't have to whine like a soppy leftist and cry for Mommy state to fix it on the street.
I merely have to be aware that Universities like this one in particular has absolutely no respect for the canon and know never to support them or pay the large fees for my children to attend them in the future.

[Anonymous No.11487455]

>>11486115
Retard.
It means that 'brown people' is used as an item on its own, a significant relevant part being some forced racialism. You don't decide to read a poem because the author falls under so-called 'white'.

[Anonymous No.11487478]

>>11486853
So Orwell doesn't think Kipling had undeniable talent but he also doesn't think Kipling was a fascist?

[Anonymous No.11487480]

>>11485413
Gucci mane is not a left wing poet, he is a fucking trapper.

BURRR

SKUUUUUUURRTTTTTT

[Anonymous No.11487489]

>>11485207
You can bet that Tommy sees.

[Anonymous No.11487501]

>>11486511
> secular
Good joke.

[Anonymous No.11487602]

>>11486989
No, it is categorically wrong. Have you read 1984, or anything by Orwell for that matter? The whole point of Animal Farm was that a revolutionary vanguard of pigs could not be trusted and that a popular revolution was the only means of going beyond what Orwell and most other socialists saw as more or less identical systems of exploitation (liberalism and totalitarian state capitalism, which is why the pigs shake hands with the farmers at the end).

The animals are exploited because they are hardworking and idealistic but also uneducated and dumb. Orwell's hope was that a perpetual state of democratic socialism could be achieved by erasing the inequities of education. It's completely anti-reactionary in that it presumes the sort of blank slate, no-hierarchy liberalism that was in vogue at the time and which is now expressed as privilege theory (i.e. The elite aren't genetically nor essentially "better" than others, they just have privilege. If other people had privilege, we would all be the same, and so avoid being deceived by pigs and those like them).

You are an enormous pseud, you ruin the quality of this board by demanding others do your reading for you, and are an indictment of everything that Orwell wrote about, because while we both have an internet connection, only I actually took the time to familiarize myself with the work, whereas you preferred to run off your mouth like the colossal fucking retard that you are. Please do the world a favor and kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.11487660]

>>11487602
i'm not reading this lol

[Anonymous No.11487686]

>everyone mentioning Orwell ITT

Orwell is a mediocrity in his own right, he has no grounds to be criticizing Kipling. All his fiction is lowbrow and his journalism is more a product of the drama of what he describes than his own innate talent.

[Anonymous No.11487735]

Bump to annoy Leftshits

[Anonymous No.11487738]

>>11487501
Compared to Pakistan? Its may as well be Switzerland

[Anonymous No.11487743]

>>11487686
Thanks for your valuable opinion Anime poster

[Anonymous No.11487782]

>>11486115
t. brown person

[Anonymous No.11488322]

>>11485240
All black women are QUEENSSSS

[Anonymous No.11488784]

>>11485207
stopped reading at diversity officers
America is too much of a joke to even care about