/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11454354]

>The novel’s French title, which translates literally as “Extension of the Domain of Struggle,” encapsulates Houellebecq’s theory of sexuality (he is typically French in his love of abstraction and theory). The sexual revolution of the 1960s, widely seen as a liberation movement, is better understood as the intrusion of capitalist values into the previously sacrosanct realm of intimate life. “Just like unrestrained economic liberalism … sexual liberalism produces phenomena of absolute pauperization,” he writes. “Some men make love every day; others five or six times in their life, or never.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/12/books/review/michael-houellebecqs-sexual-distopia.html

[Anonymous No.11454360]

>>11454354
This book is also known in English as "Whatever" (What a shitty translated title). Love his work.

[Anonymous No.11454371]

>>11454354
And of course, for the NY Times, the "sexual dystopia" is the fact of incels existing, not the world context from which incels came up. Pozzed trash.

[Anonymous No.11454383]

Incel gangs roaming the streets killing Chads and Stacys is the future.

[Anonymous No.11454385]

>>11454354
You have to have an account? Garbage.

[Anonymous No.11454390]

>>11454385
Use incognegro mode senpai

[Anonymous No.11454394]

>>11454385
You have 5 free articles every month, clear your cache or go incognito to read more.

[Anonymous No.11454398]

>>11454371
I don't get your point, what is the effective difference?

[Anonymous No.11454404]

>>11454390
>>11454394
Thanks.
>Reddit
We have to ban these evil Redditors and 9gagers!

[Anonymous No.11454406]

>>11454398
They think incels are exclusively in the wrong, that nothing's wrong with the world they feel victimized by.

[Anonymous No.11454408]

>>11454398
Not him, but a world where Tinder exists is a "sexual dystopia" by default, regardless of whether you're getting laid or not.
Essentially, the problem is presenting intimate relations in this crude economic form. It's dehumanizing.

[Anonymous No.11454411]

>>11454406
They seem to argue from a weird position that women do not owe men sex, which is funny coming from Leftists who think every loser in the world deserves everything from an education to healthcare to straight up free money for no reason

[Anonymous No.11454415]

>>11454398
If society starves and poor peiple steal from rich, the rich might try to fight the symptom, not the cause

[Anonymous No.11454420]

>>11454415
Which again goes to my previous post about the hypocrisy of Leftists who are on the side of the poor man's welfare until it comes to helping him ever experiencing love

[Anonymous No.11454427]

>you are not entitled to sex!
>I'm entitled to free abortions!
Really makes you think

[Anonymous No.11454428]

>>11454411
>>11454420
It's because to them, women are simply higher in the oppression hierarchy.
And realistically speaking, they also realize that supplying free hookers to incels won't cut it, because it's deeper than that.

[Anonymous No.11454436]

>>11454354
>(perhaps more so, because Dostoyevsky is a better writer)

Bit rude. No need to say that

[Anonymous No.11454441]

>>11454371
Chaste men always existed, there's no solution and no one is entitled to sex. Social democracy could get rid of some of the economic differences at the very least for incels, all you can do is accept it, try your best or join a monestary, it's the only way.

[Anonymous No.11454444]

>>11454441
>Poor people always existed too. Maybe they should just get a job.

[Anonymous No.11454445]

>>11454441
>Chaste men always existed, there's no solution and no one is entitled to sex.
You're still refusing to look deeper. It's not literally just about men who can't get their dick wet.

[Anonymous No.11454449]

>>11454441
Chastity suggests intentionality.

[Anonymous No.11454451]

>>11454436
Also not true btw.

[Anonymous No.11454455]

>>11454444
There's already ways to help people get jobs, but we can't force them to get a job just like we can't force someone to find you attractive.

[Anonymous No.11454472]

>>11454441
>no one is entitled to sex
Not in a traditional society, no. But in a society where resources, pleasure, communication, medicine, and healthcare are provided in various degrees, something as basic as fundamental human contact raises concerns. We live in an increasingly flattening, social age, so something has to be done, or else we'll end up with a massive underclass of non-reproductive humans (for better of for worse).

[Anonymous No.11454476]

>>11454455
You seem to think that individuals have a large amount of control over their desires. They don't. A different social context would change who and who is not attractive.

[Anonymous No.11454481]

Elliot Rodger never described himself as an incel. Stopped reading there.

[Anonymous No.11454486]

>>11454455
You can't force people to take jobs, but you still find other way to support them. What can be done of incels? Chemical castration still wont cure the desire of being loved by unloveable men

[Anonymous No.11454495]

I've written an algorithm takes as input the dna sequence of n amount of people (thus the overall data is has length of cn where c is the length of the strings of dna) and then matches everyone with the "best" (most fit) combination, it returns a list of the best combinations of people. it runs in poly time. The reason is because, the vast majority of dna is the same and junk, so we can ignore it, and then we only have to look for the opposite alleles and match them up. It's (n^3 time).
I will mix this with a sexuality and personality survey, and then take over the dating game entirely. I will lobby to make it illegal to pair up with anyone through any other method, as the offspring of anyone made via any other method will be genetically weak compared to mine. Finally, I will end inceldom, as almost every single person on the planet (with VERY few exceptions, incels not being among them) has a pool of millions of of potential genetically excellent partners they can pair with (the idea that some people's genes are "bad" or "good" is literally fucking retarded idk where people got that dumb fucking idea. "Chad" is not good with every woman, just like "incel" is not bad with every woman, or 'stacy' isn't better than 'fembot' or whatever).
Most importantly, I'll become FUCKING RICH AS FUCK HOLY SHIT I'LL LITERALLY OWN DATING AND MATING ILL BE A FUCKING KING

[Anonymous No.11454499]

>>11454481
He essentially did without using the term. Was obsessed with his race biologically determining him to be loveless; blamed the current sex mad culture etc.

[Anonymous No.11454502]

>>11454495
>scribbled in feces

[Anonymous No.11454503]

>>11454486
Get the incels into therapy for once, and do some resocialisation efforts, similar to what is done to released prisoners in some countries.

[Anonymous No.11454505]

>>11454436
He's a brainlet journalist who fell for the Fryodor meme. Many such cases. Sad!

[Anonymous No.11454508]

[Anonymous No.11454509]

>>11454502
just wait homeboy, the future is bright. IMAGINE the generations of people we can make. It gets me so excited.

[Anonymous No.11454512]

>>11454508

[Anonymous No.11454517]

>>11454512

[Anonymous No.11454532]

>>11454503
I think a lot of incels realdy have undertaken some kind of therapy of some sort at some point, including Rodgers

[Anonymous No.11454542]

I'm now imagining the typical NYT reader going through Houellebecq's oeuvre.

[Anonymous No.11454545]

In America, everything that is initially dismissed as right-wing paranoia later becomes accepted reality

Fear of Irish and Mediterranean immigrants displacing WASPs throughout the northeast later became "just the way things are"

Fear of leftists in the entertainment industry encouraging drug use, sexual perversion, and nihilism later became "just the way things are"

Fear of religion losing ground to consumerism and television later became "just the way things are"

Fear of Jews establishing ethnotribal mafias inside America's most prestigious public institutions later became "just the way things are"

Fear of freed slaves never learning to take care of themselves and perpetually existing in a state of helpless resentment later became "just the way things are"

The New York Times is what, twenty years late to Houellebecq? If Adam Kirsch, a Harvard-educated Columbia faculty member, had so much as grazed a /lit/ thread in the past eight years he could have gleaned the same shallow insights he is paid to publish in our "newspaper of record."

Makes you wonder--what is the right paranoid right about now? What are those clowns over on /pol/ so worried about, what issue is Fox News spending its time and money promoting?

[Anonymous No.11454548]

>>11454427
I dont see the issue.

[Anonymous No.11454557]

>>11454548
you're not entitled to either of them

[Anonymous No.11454559]

>>11454517
>>11454512
>>11454508

Woah.... this is the power... of French philosophy....

[Anonymous No.11454566]

Speaking as a virgin myself, incels are quite pathetic in how much they care and angry they get about the fact they don't have sex. That's why their calls for redistribution are not taken as seriously as the ones from socialists. People actually die without money or healthcare, they don't die from lack of sex.

[Anonymous No.11454579]

>>11454566
No one loses anything by incels getting laid. Mismanagement of money and healthcare can be disastrous. Women should quite literally throw them a bone since it costs very little.

[Anonymous No.11454585]

>>11454557
wamen can do whatever the fuck they want with their spawn.

[Anonymous No.11454588]

In a state of nature, the top 80% of women flock to the top 20% of men. Monogamous marriage was the socially engineered solution to this, creating a more-or-less 1:1 distribution of men and women - a deal which had to be forced upon women with a stick.

[Anonymous No.11454590]

>>11454579
>T. Incel

Pathetic

[Anonymous No.11454595]

>>11454585
no they can't

[Anonymous No.11454597]

>>11454420
>>11454411
>Ironic that the same people who say it's bad when people die early of curable diseases won't say it's bad that I can't force people to have sex with me, don't you think :^)
I bet you thought this was clever when you wrote it too

[Anonymous No.11454603]

>>11454588
if it takes literally violence to get women to do that, then that's what must be done.
the violence used to force monogamy is not greater in evil than the men not having women. Fight me about it, loser.

[Anonymous No.11454604]

>>11454597
I would literally rather die than live a long life of being alone

[Anonymous No.11454605]

>>11454566
>they don't die from lack of sex.
People literally do go crazy from lack of attention/love/socialization. Funding them to fuck prostitutes will just make them fall in love with a whore and displace the problem.

[Anonymous No.11454621]

>>11454566
I agree that people who hate women for not sleeping with them aren’t very sympathetic, but sex is very, very important to most men. It may seem pathetic but it’s a basic human need. Though I’d say the actual problem is people not finding a person to love and have a family with.

[Anonymous No.11454622]

>>11454588
Not really. At the end of the day, women are the ones who profit from marriage more than men do. I mean, sure, in their sexual prime everything is great and they can have basically unlimited sex. But once they hit the wall in their late 30s or early 40s, they become just as undesireable as incels. Chad is married at that point, he doesn't want them anymore and the distribution between men and women is roughly 50:50 in most countries. So for every incel and MGTOW guy, there is an unmarried old catlady who will grow old just as lonely, if not even moreso.

[Anonymous No.11454623]

>>11454579
>No one loses anything by incels getting laid.

Women lose their autonomy and dignity.

You see, I understand the argument incels make, I've made them myself in the past. In a traditional society with arranged marriages, everyone gets a pair, even low-status male, while in a sexual free market high-status males get more sex with a lot of women while low-status males end up alone.

Since I'm a low-status male that sucks for me. Now I'm going to die alone. But look at it through a woman's perspective, under traditional marriage conditions, she is effectively enslaved and raped by a man she despises every single day of her married life. She lives through a hellish reality. We talk of incel rage nowadays, but in the past the most common sexuality related disorder was female hysteria. Women went completely crazy out of unsatisfaction with their married lives.

So in the end I think this issue in a way similar to that "Bike Cuck" comic. I will die never have a girlfriend and marry thanks to the effects of the sexual revolution. I'm pretty bummed about it. But I think the woman who would be married to me and feel awful about it is probably more happy to get away from it into Chad's cock than I am sad about being alone. The total happiness in the world increased now that women are not routinely enslaved and raped.

So, whatever.

[Anonymous No.11454625]

>>11454590

Not an incel. However, I've always only been in relationships and not really engaged in promiscuous activities. What makes me feel badly for incels in that, from the outside, I can recognize there are great many things preventing them from getting laid that they can't control in any meaningful way. These are social factors that ultimately harm society.

[Anonymous No.11454628]

None of this bullshit matters. Sex has been an abomination since the dawn of mankind. All that has occurred in the last century is just a further extension of humanity finding new and innovative ways to express its ever-constant banality.

[Anonymous No.11454631]

A free market leads to better products for the consumer, a free sexual market leads to a better genepool for humanity.

So what's the problem?

[Anonymous No.11454632]

>>11454588
lol

[Anonymous No.11454636]

>>11454631
>free sexual market leads to a better genepool for humanity.
no it doesn't

[Anonymous No.11454637]

>>11454623
Why don't you kill yourself? I'm not trolling or memeing. I mean truly, if you can't recognize any good qualities about yourself then why are you even alive? You are quite literally rejecting your evolutionary imperative. Get a mail order bride or something. Give yourself what you deserve (and you deserve this because it's obvious that you need it)

[Anonymous No.11454638]

>>11454631
Because the people that hate the rejects of this free market are known for advocate social help for the rejects of other free market.

[Anonymous No.11454639]

>>11454579
>No one loses anything by incels getting laid.

Women lose their autonomy and dignity.

You see, I understand the argument incels make, I've made them myself in the past. In a traditional society with arranged marriages, everyone gets a pair, even low-status males, while in a sexual free market high-status males get more sex with a lot of women while low-status males end up alone.

Since I'm a low-status male that sucks for me. Now I'm going to die alone. But look at it through a woman's perspective, under traditional marriage conditions, she is effectively enslaved and raped by a man she despises every single day of her married life. She lives through a hellish reality. We talk of incel rage nowadays, but in the past the most common sexuality related disorder was female hysteria. Women went completely crazy out of unsatisfaction with their married lives.

So in the end I think this issue in a way similar to that "Bike Cuck" comic. I will never have a girlfriend and marry thanks to the effects of the sexual revolution. I'm pretty bummed about it. But I think the woman who would be married to me and feel awful about it is probably more happy getting away from it into Chad's cock than I am sad about being alone. The total happiness in the world increased now that women are not routinely enslaved and raped.

So, whatever.

[Anonymous No.11454640]

reminder that nobody cares about your feeling and that
-men love to overestimate their performance in bed
-men love to be praised by any woman
-men love to underestimate the lust of women
-men love to underestimate the boredom of women
-there is nothing more boring to a woman than to be fucked over and over by only one man
-men love to think that women love men like women love children
-men love women
-men love to service women
-women love children
-women do not love men
-women are in heat all year long
-women see no reward for faithfulness
-women see the reward for sleeping around
-women see no reward for their virginity
-women do not desire to have only one provider for sex
-women do not desire to stay virgin
-women do not know how to stay virgin
-women do not desire to be prude
-women despise nonguly asexual men
-women fear of being asexual

[Anonymous No.11454641]

>>11454603
>incel would gladly inflict pain on others to avoid suffering himself
Color me surprised

[Anonymous No.11454642]

>>11454637
The post before he deleted it:

>No one loses anything by incels getting laid.

Women lose their autonomy and dignity.

You see, I understand the argument incels make, I've made them myself in the past. In a traditional society with arranged marriages, everyone gets a pair, even low-status male, while in a sexual free market high-status males get more sex with a lot of women while low-status males end up alone.

Since I'm a low-status male that sucks for me. Now I'm going to die alone. But look at it through a woman's perspective, under traditional marriage conditions, she is effectively enslaved and raped by a man she despises every single day of her married life. She lives through a hellish reality. We talk of incel rage nowadays, but in the past the most common sexuality related disorder was female hysteria. Women went completely crazy out of unsatisfaction with their married lives.

So in the end I think this issue in a way similar to that "Bike Cuck" comic. I will die never have a girlfriend and marry thanks to the effects of the sexual revolution. I'm pretty bummed about it. But I think the woman who would be married to me and feel awful about it is probably more happy to get away from it into Chad's cock than I am sad about being alone. The total happiness in the world increased now that women are not routinely enslaved and raped.

So, whatever.

[Anonymous No.11454650]

>>11454604
That sounds like something you should see a shrink about anon. It's unhealthy to be so totally reliant on others validating your existence

[Anonymous No.11454652]

>>11454605
That stuff is already funded in social democracies. They don't force people to be your friend or lover but all the support is there to help you along. If you're an amerifat you're screwed, but that's what you deserve for being a capitalist apologist.

[Anonymous No.11454653]

>>11454622
In the Biblical marriage pattern of centuries past, you got her at 18 or thereabouts and kept her, enjoying her sexual prime exclusively - and if she misbehaved, you could whip her like Petruchio, and if divorce was inevitable, custody was yours.

Compare this deal to the deal of today.

[Anonymous No.11454654]

>>11454455
>we can't force someone to find you attractive
unf, hit me where it hurts.

[Anonymous No.11454655]

>>11454354
>others five or six times in their life, or never.
I wish I had sex five or six times by now at the age of 33 :(
My father even nicknamed me Jesus because apparently, he was not into sex n'sheeit.

[Anonymous No.11454656]

>>11454636
Women care about status (which in the modern age correlates to IQ) and looks. How is improving those two qualities bad in any way?

[Anonymous No.11454657]

>>11454650
There is also nothing wrong with recognizing how inhuman it is to spend a life like that

[Anonymous No.11454660]

>>11454650
It really is not, the first thing a shrink will always prioritize is exactly how to get a patient to reach out and make contacts and relations
There is no shrink on Earth who will say it is ok to be alone

[Anonymous No.11454663]

>>11454495
Nice sci-fi.

[Anonymous No.11454664]

>>11454642
You are unironically thinking on the same wavelength as the Bike Cuck. This is a problem. Get your testosterone and estradiol looked at.

[Anonymous No.11454666]

>>11454588
>In a state of nature
stopped reading there

[Anonymous No.11454667]

>>11454650
Oh come off it. Very few people are happy without a romantic partner and family.

[Anonymous No.11454669]

>>11454656
Status more appropriately correlates with psychopathic behavior. You recognize that environemnts aid in selecting traits? Right? Well contemporary neoliberal societies of the west produce social environments that select for traits that are economically useful but not necessarily useful 20, 50, 100, 1,000 years from now. That's the problem.

[Anonymous No.11454672]

>>11454656
>status (which in the modern age correlates to IQ)

[Anonymous No.11454677]

>>11454637
Because there is plenty of fun to be had even without a girlfriend? It's not like I know the difference, so living alone is ok.

[Anonymous No.11454678]

>>11454669
>Well contemporary neoliberal societies of the west produce social environments that select for traits that are economically useful but not necessarily useful 20, 50, 100, 1,000 years from now
Current shrimp get their traits selected for their current environnement, not the environnement they might be 500 years from now. That's how nature works

[Anonymous No.11454680]

>>11454628
epic

[Anonymous No.11454681]

When I read Whatever for the first time I knew it was a powerful novel. The more I read of Houellebecq the more I liked the guy. His Lovecraft book is in my opinion essentially his "manifesto" (although he has written an actual manifesto, entitled To Stay Alive). Each book from then on has strayed a little further in different directions from the core premise, that is that a focus on the individual is doomed to result in isolation, loneliness, depression, unfulfilling experiences, ruthless competition, and ultimately the replacement of the once-united (albeit poor, repressive, etc) society by a more vigorous, united culture (i.e. Muslims).

Whatever's main influence is perhaps The Stranger, most obviously with the killing of the [non-white] on a beach. But Houellebecq does away with Camus's ambiguity about what the arab represents and instead makes it violently clear, i.e. that the energetic, confident, muscular nigger has stolen the cute girl from the hapless, well-meaning, intelligent but physically repulsive Tisserand. I sensed this was not just a novel for Houellebecq, and that it represented something more for him, and was not surprised to read an interview in which he stated that his intention at the time of writing it (I imagine he started it in his early 30s, if not sooner) was to bring about a revolution in the culture which would encourage women to look at ugly, autistic men in a different light and not dismiss them for superficial reasons. Of course this didn't work, which he later admitted also.

It's a highly symbolic and *careful* novel, despite how it appears to be simply 30,000 words of masturbatory, pseudo-intellectual "Fuck Society"-tier edginess. Take for example the metaphor of the car. The first chapter informs us that the narrator has lost his car, or, as I would put it, lost "his drive"; his will to live, tied to his sex drive). It is an absurd way to begin a novel, unless we take it to mean more than what is superficially represented. And Houellebecq's genius is that he doesn't just use this once and abandon or confuse the metaphor, but like a true artist he reuses it as a means to convey his idea throughout. For example, when the N is waiting in an office early on he overhears a a guy bragging about making out with several girls the night before and about how the guy's female friend died recently because a guy had driven recklessly and killed both himself and the girl in the passenger seat, which is something he jokes about - why? - because he himself is driving recklessly because his "drive" is not lost, and is in fact speeding along the culturally-endorsed hedonistic highway. It is no surprise that Tisserand himself dies in a car accident, because he apparently "lost control" of his vehicle while driving home alone for the Xmas holidays. His drive, that is his will to live and to have sex, has become uncontrollable and has led to what he assume is his suicide

Cont...

[Anonymous No.11454684]

>>11454656
>which in the modern age correlates to IQ

[Anonymous No.11454685]

>>11454548
The issue is that women are distorting the sexual market so that they have maximum freedom from the consequences of their choices. Sexual competition is tilted too heavily in their favor at the expense of men. Pregnancy is a strong incentive to not be a hedonistic about one's sexual choices, which creates oligopolies among men. Remove monogamy and pregnancy and the shame of promiscuity and STDs and women become free to pursue their appetites at the cost of society's general happiness.

Nothing will be done about men who are sexual failures because helping them doesn't benefit women or the most sexually successful men (who together form a coalition that market distortion does benefit). They will either be ignored or sneered at, and so they will lash out at society, which is disgusted by their very existence as it places supreme importance on sexual success.

As sexual liberalization and the sexualization of media continues, the underclass of sexual failures will grow, and there will be further "incel" rampages and shootings.

This is a natural consequence of human appetite fulfilled at the cost of somebody else. Ignore it all you want, but you don't get to complain the next time the local virgin shoots up a school.

[Anonymous No.11454689]

>>11454406
But they are in the wrong, no one owes you anything.

[Anonymous No.11454691]

>>11454677
Oh, I see. You think life is about "fun".

[Anonymous No.11454695]

>>11454678
We live in a functionally different world than other animals.

[Anonymous No.11454697]

>>11454685
>women become free to pursue their appetites at the cost of society's general happiness.
I should correct this: women become free to pursue their appetites at the cost of men's general happiness. Society's general happiness gains from the system of sexual liberalization, as incel shootings and mass killings are the only real consequence to women and sexually successful men, and fairly rare.

[Anonymous No.11454699]

>>11454689
Yet apparently people are owed an education, safety, healthcare, political representation, et al

But a chance to reproduce? Nah fuck that noise

[Anonymous No.11454701]

>>11454472
No one is entitled to have sex with you man. How about getting out of the basement and not being such a creep?

[Anonymous No.11454704]

>>11454625
> I've always only been in relationships

lol nice try. No one believes you.

[Anonymous No.11454715]

"incel", what a load of horseshit

every one of these faggots is lying to themselves. they're not incel, they're volcel. every fucking one of one whines that women won't fuck them, but they themselves refuse to fuck fat chicks or anything else under 7/10. these braindead autists have watched too many movies where the ugly guy gets the hot girl in the end.

if you're ugly, fuck ugly. or even better: start working out and get a hobby that isn't jacking off to anime titties. i guarantee the amount of women interested in you will increase by at least 10%

LOWER YOUR STANDARDS

[Anonymous No.11454719]

>>11454697
Well, one other consequence is that for every incel, there is also one woman who will end up alone. There are approximately 50:50 men and women. Chad will settle down with 1 woman, he won't keep fucking some old hags into their 40s or 50s. Women keep pretending like this incel problem doesn't concern them, but it's simple math. Every incel equals 1 more woman who will grow old alone and unmarried.

[Anonymous No.11454723]

>>11454597
Give me literally one (1) reason why this is necessarily bad.

Pro-tip: You can't

[Anonymous No.11454724]

>>11454715
Slampigs don't even count as women fuckboy. Better to buy then to give freely.

[Anonymous No.11454728]

>>11454689
>>11454701
>>11454715
Everyone just retreats to cliches when confronted with this problem - the problem that able-bodied men who are completely and utterly socially outcasted now number in the hundreds of thousands.

[Anonymous No.11454729]

>>11454639
this is why you're pathetic

prioritize yourself

[Anonymous No.11454732]

>>11454650
It is literally a biological fact that social validation is one of, if not the single most important factor for a variety of health outcomes. Isolation and depression literally shrinks your brain and makes your body far, far less resilient.

[Anonymous No.11454735]

>>11454625
Post the one with her bf.

[Anonymous No.11454737]

>>11454728
Does this aspect alone not strike people as insane - that there are enough "loner outcasts" now to populate a small county? Is that not a bonkers state of affairs?

[Anonymous No.11454738]

>>11454657
>>11454660
>>11454667
It's very important to have a network, friends/family/community/whatever else, but none of those things is contingent on you getting laid

[Anonymous No.11454739]

>>11454411
You seem to argue from a weird position that women owe men sex, which is funny coming from a right-winger who thinks every loser in the world doesn’t deserve everything from an education to healthcare to straight up free money for no reason

[Anonymous No.11454743]

>>11454732
I dunno, you don't sound particularly happy and mentally healthy either based on your previous statements that you would rather die than face adversity. I mean, being alone is not a permanent state of being.

[Anonymous No.11454747]

>>11454697
>Society's general happiness gains from the system of sexual liberalization, as incel shootings and mass killings are the only real consequence
>whomst've are falling birth rates
>whomst've are the fact that roughly 1 in 4 american females are on psychiatric meds
>whomst've are accelerating poor health outcomes due to social isolation
>whomst've are shrinking economies

[Anonymous No.11454751]

>>11454681
We also find all the things which have since become synonymous included in this story:

>Casual racism (drunken nigger on the train, horny nigger at the disco)

>Supermarkets as a symbolic social centre (the guy who has a heart attack in the supermarket and who is left to die because the girls around him refuse to give him mouth-to-mouth)

>Obsession with youthful eroticism (jerking off over the teenager at the disco)

>Frozen ready meals

>Ironic obsession with brands and novel technological services (the Mintel home food delivery service)

>A refusal to glamorize the past (N's disgust with the boring small towns he visits, and his branding "stupid" the lives of pious fishermen)

>Bachelor apathy (Narrator, his alcoholic priest friend, Tisserand)

>Contempt towards those who relish atomized hedonism (N's disgust with his young colleague who is obsessed with buying hi-tech gadgets and has no interest in starting a family etc)

>Contempt towards individualist ideologies (N arguing with a colleague over the fact that, even if society works like a brain - with everything interconnected but separated - a brain only works if it works collectively in the sake of something, e.g. an identity, a goal, a consistent perception)

>Ambivalence towards women (the slutty race-mixing teen (bad), the lonely innocent career woman (good), the liberated, hyper-intellectual Veronique (bad))

Also, I've noted this before but Houellebecq used the real names of several real people in the book, who were apparently not best pleased on hearing he had discussed real-life events and simply written them down. I found one of the guys on facebook even. I can't imagine how he could do such a thing with a clean conscience.

[Anonymous No.11454752]

>>11454715
Tell me again how capitalism is winning.

[Anonymous No.11454754]

>>11454738
>but none of those things is contingent on you getting laid

For a man, it really is

[Anonymous No.11454757]

>>11454751
*synonymous with Houellebecq

[Anonymous No.11454759]

>>11454701
I also hate incel virgins.

[Anonymous No.11454762]

>>11454743
I did not make that post. And being alone is in fact largely a permanent state of being past a certain point (~30 years), as about one quarter of people unmarried past the age of 25 will remain so their entire lives. After this age the rest of your social network also naturally shrinks as your friends get married and your relatives begin to die off.

[Anonymous No.11454768]

>>11454719
Most women would rather die alone while reminiscing one night with Chad when she was 19 than spend her whole life raising a family with a low-status male.

People here underestimate how much women hate and despise low-status men. Acknowledging their existence is already distressful, being in their presence uncomfortable, being oogled by them is pretty much rape, now imagine spending her whole life married to such a man.

Feminists are not wrong when they say marriage in a patriarchal society is based on rape and slavery. To a woman, working for a low-status male is slavery, having sex with him is rape, whatever the conditions.

[Anonymous No.11454769]

>>11454667
>Very few people are happy without a romantic partner and family.
very few people are happy WITH one either. At least not long term. Divorce rates are at a record high.

[Anonymous No.11454770]

>tfw you find screenshots of Houellebecq's website from around 2006 when he used to run it to post depressing selfies and blogpost about how childhood fucked him up and how he will forever be a child looking for maternal affection

True literary kino

[Anonymous No.11454771]

>tfw I know i'm going to die alone
Other than the obvious downside of never getting to experience the emotional peaks of romantic love, there is something freeing about not having to go through the whole rigamarole of dating, loveless marriage, and divorce. I'll kill myself at 65 so I won't have to experience my physical decline alone, but those 65 years are going to be pretty peaceful.

[Anonymous No.11454774]

>>11454752
convince me you aren't retarded as well

[Anonymous No.11454779]

>>11454631
AIDs.

[Anonymous No.11454780]

>>11454771
>physical decline
>65

try 25 zoomer

[Anonymous No.11454781]

>"What every woman wants is a Man, with a capital M. In other words, a man who has balls, not merely in the literal sense but also in the figurative sense. In Western culture, a woman's ideal has traditionally been "a knight in shining armor." [...] But the knight in shining armor no longer exists in Europe. The samurai has disappeared from Japan. The fierce nomad no longer rides across the Eurasian steppe. [...] And who has replaced these true Men? Behold modern man (small m): He sits all day on his fat bottom, punching keys on a computer. Terrified of losing the "job" on which he is helplessly dependent, he cringes before his boss, invents petty subterfuges and little lies to conceal his errors and his trivial misdeeds. There are no true Men left; or rather, such true Men as remain are in prison. [...] Is it any wonder that feminist[s] have lost respect for men? Or that they resent men for failing to be Men after whom (however vehemently they deny it) their hearts yearn?"

Was he right lads?

[Anonymous No.11454783]

No one is entitled to not get run over by an angry incel.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.11454784]

>>11454739
No one "owes" anyone anything. We're not entitled to not being murdered or raped either. The social contract is predicated on the majority of people being at least contented enough in their circumstances to not cause too much trouble.

[Anonymous No.11454786]

>>11454704
I suppose you don't have to believe me. It wasn't easy for me to meet girls that I liked and that liked me but it did happen. The girl I'm with now is someone I met at 15 (I'm 23 now) and will probably marry. I'm a romantic and that is why my heart breaks for incels. I'd wager you misunderstand my position anyway. I think that a large majority of incels need to do a great many things to improve themselves before they are useful in the sexual marketplace. What bothers me is that there are women who are truly worthless (as in they are trash economically and socially) yet they still have this desire to be with their dream mate while most incels would probably settle for anything and still go unloved. Do you not feel badly for those people?

[Anonymous No.11454787]

>>11454783
IF I'M EVER CORNERED
AND I HAVE TO DEFEND MYSELF

[Anonymous No.11454791]

>>11454768
Maybe, but the point is, they don't really have much of a choice in the matter. For as many incels as there are, there are women who WILL die alone as a direct consequence. So really, they are in the same boat as the incels after a certain age, not to mention that there are also plenty of ugly women who Chad has never touched because they were always way beneath him.

[Anonymous No.11454793]

>>11454728
>>11454737
no. it just means we have a surplus of humanity and the population is regulating itself. if your genes were good enough to pass on youd be having sex. thats literally the definition of evolutionary fitness

[Anonymous No.11454795]

>>11454768
If this is truly the case then women deserve all the misogyny they get. It's two thousand and fucking 18. Men AND Women need to get over their petty desires and think about the species more collectively.

[Anonymous No.11454796]

>>11454715
You are a normal who doesn't get it. Women are inherently more valuable then men. A 4/10 male's only options are a 2/10 land wale or a deformed woman. Meanwhile a nofat 3/10 woman can get 6/10 men

[Anonymous No.11454808]

>>11454793
>it just means we have a surplus of humanity and the population is regulating itself.

Why do you hate your fellow White man so vividly?

[Anonymous No.11454810]

>>11454781
I mean, let's not pretend like women are living up to the height of their gender's potential these days either.

[Anonymous No.11454812]

>>11454793
This is obviously the case, but people generally don't take being a genetic dead-ends lying down. Many male mammals risk their lives to breed.

[Anonymous No.11454816]

>>11454808
its not me that hates the white man, the race clearly hates itself enough to an hero despite having conquered the world

[Anonymous No.11454819]

>>11454810
Because men aren't. Why should I be a demure, nurturing, sweet and submissive housewife when very few men can even afford to maintain a household on their own and make little effort to work out, dress in a mature manner, and so on?

[Anonymous No.11454820]

>>11454672
>>11454684
It's the single biggest predictor of socio-economic status.

https://pumpkinperson.com/2016/02/11/the-incredible-correlation-between-iq-income/

[Anonymous No.11454821]

>>11454808
that's a lot of niggers

[Anonymous No.11454822]

>>11454781
based and repilled.

[Anonymous No.11454826]

>>11454754
>I can't make friends or participate in my community unless I'm fucking
Maybe try talking to people like a human being

[Anonymous No.11454827]

>>11454819
Because you demanded to work so as to avoid having to live with him.

[Anonymous No.11454829]

>>11454820
I think that you're overestimating the importance of income when it comes to 21st century selection. Women make their own money now, so many are starting to select based on looks.

[Anonymous No.11454831]

If he wasn't 100 years late do you think he might have been a little more optimistic?
>In an age of social and economic crises when marriage is financially difficult … in an age of alimony when it’s almost impossible to have children … and when woman has once more become just a poet’s fantasy now that man is impoverished, we have been called upon to solve the global human problem of sex and the soul. Our company has transformed sexual feeling from a crude elemental urge to an ennobling mechanism, we have given the world moral behavior. We have removed the element of sex from human relationships and cleared the way for pure spiritual friendship.
>Still, keeping in mind the high-value instant pleasure that necessarily accompanies contact of the sexes, we have endowed our instrument with a construction affording a minimum of three times this pleasure, as compared to the loveliest of women used at length by a prisoner recently released after ten years in strict isolation. This is the measure of comparison, the quality quotient of our patented instruments.
>Furthermore, a special regulator allows users to achieve pleasure of any duration, from several seconds to several days, should our honorable consumer happen to have that much free time. A special selector disc allows users to regulate the expenditure of semen in units of volume, and thus to achieve the optimal level of spiritual equilibrium, that is, to prevent excessive depletion of the organism and overall loss of tone in daily activities. Our motto is the spiritual and physiological fate of the customer and the exercise of his sexual function: everything is in his hands … which rest on the corresponding regulators. And this we have achieved. In addition, men of advanced age who have fallen out of sexual communion can use our devices to again become communicants. We work for all ages and for all peoples.

[Anonymous No.11454833]

>i'm not entitled to sex
>single moms are entitled to having tax-paying men like me pay to raise their children
I'm just so tired

[Anonymous No.11454839]

>>11454827
Umm no sweetie. We signed up to have a cosy little part-time job which would allow us to survive if the man turns out to be a bad egg (badboys often do, despite our efforts to tame them!). We DID NOT sign up to work 10 hour days in a competitive environment! And if you're not MAN enough to rescue me from such an environment, then I'm sorry but I'll just enjoy myself and not waste my time on guys who can't live up to my father's standard.

[Anonymous No.11454840]

>>11454796
you have it backwards. women are inherently useless aside from breeding, that's why they can fuck up their way up the scale. their only purpose is to be a vessel for reproduction. their entire existence is centered around finding the best genes they can, thus they become very good at it through practice. women work hard, much harder than men, to find a mate.

if you paid as much effort to fuck upwards, you'd find yourself banging 6/10s, but you don't and yet you feel entitled to it anyways because you don't understand that to find a good mate requires a lot of work and stress, aside from luck.

[Anonymous No.11454842]

>>11454819
But that's the world women, through feminism, have created. Why do you complain so much about the fruit of your labor? Gender roles are now subverted, it is time for YOU to "woman up", as you like to say and learn to live with the consequences of your actions.

[Anonymous No.11454843]

>>11454774
>dude just lower your standards and no one is retarded it's just capitalist biology everybody breaks bro lmao

[Anonymous No.11454845]

>>11454820
The only thing that demonstrates is that dumb asses don't make much money. It doesn't mean that intelligent people all become well off.

[Anonymous No.11454847]

>>11454781
Ted was also an incel

[Anonymous No.11454852]

>>11454781
https://squawker.org/culture-wars/nicolascruzfangirls/

[Anonymous No.11454855]

>>11454819
And men aren't because women aren't. It's reciprocal. If my girlfriend was modest and feminine I'd work much harder to make her happy. I have no interest in making a guy with a woman's body happy.

[Anonymous No.11454856]

>>11454840
Post feet then gtfo roastie.

[Anonymous No.11454858]

>>11454729
What's wrong with prioritizing oneself through prioritizing what their mother, daughter, sister and niece would be happy with?

[Anonymous No.11454862]

>>11454840
>thus they become very good at it through practice. women work hard, much harder than men, to find a mate.

True. This is why books that women love tend to focus on a group of girls gossiping about who is the best match for which girl, with a mysterious, wealthy, sadistic-seeming (but ultimately warm) male character ultimately set up for the cute, shy, working class protagonist.

[Anonymous No.11454866]

>>11454842
And men let it happen. Wow, some real strength you guys have going on there.

[Anonymous No.11454870]

>>11454840
>women work hard, much harder than men, to find a mate.
This isn't true. A man's attempt to climb the sexual hierarchy relates to his chosen profession and status. When a guy works hard in his job he does that in order to find a better mate. Women climb the sexual hierarchy in other ways, like working out and dressing well.

[Anonymous No.11454873]

>>11454833
Would you like a feather?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_feather

[Anonymous No.11454879]

>>11454852
>"In your letter you stated that you could tell me some stories about girls and that you would raise my eyebrows. I doubt it. Since my arrest three years ago I've learned things that have raised my eyebrows so far that they've gone all the way over the top of my head and are halfway down my back by now."

Ted got the same treatment.

[Anonymous No.11454881]

>>11454781
>Women all want to fuck Knights and Samurai. Why else would dudes write all this cool stuff about knights and samurai
Dude needs to read more nonfiction and less high fantasy. IRL most knights were just regular old shitty nobles and friends with delusions of grandeur, seldom above petty brigandry.
There's a reason that the crusades managed to do so much damage to Europe. Bands of knights travelling to the front were practically plundering parties anyway, even brutalizing peasants a few feifs over

[Anonymous No.11454882]

>>11454840

[Anonymous No.11454883]

>>11454866
>give men shit for centuries for not letting you do whatever you want
>men with daughters finally feel bad enough to go along with you
>"wow why did you give us rights you fags?"

[Anonymous No.11454887]

>>11454820
Because education is still treated a commodity to be purchased?

[Anonymous No.11454890]

>>11454781
>Terrified of losing the "job" on which he is helplessly dependent, he cringes before his boss

is the boss then a Man or a man?

[Anonymous No.11454891]

>>11454890
Man obviously. Ever seen a CEO who couldn't find a date?

[Anonymous No.11454893]

Can Buddhism help me cope with being a permavirgin, low value male?

[Anonymous No.11454895]

>>11454636
Nice rebuttal, such debate.

[Anonymous No.11454899]

>>11454891
You haven't seen Zuckerberg's wife, have you?

[Anonymous No.11454901]

>>11454891
so then real Men are still out there?

[Anonymous No.11454902]

>>11454893
Yes. Just read Pessoa and his ilk, practice detachment, live ascetically, listen to slow melancholy music, don't bother yourself with ideals, ambition or hope, form no social connections, etc.

[Anonymous No.11454904]

>>11454899
Zuck could date hotter if he wanted to. He's just autistic and "loves" her

[Anonymous No.11454908]

>>11454899
You think he couldn't bag some 22-year-old hottie if he wanted? Look at Weinstein. 66-year-old and banging some posh little white girl. Money talks.

[Anonymous No.11454910]

>>11454901
Yes but they are no longer the norm, nor do men praise individualism any longer. He is criticizing the oversocialized man.

[Anonymous No.11454917]

Part of the problem is that society does a very poor job of dealing with sexually unsuccessful men. Adult male virgins and made fun of or considered creepy, which causes the sort of consternation you see among incels. It really is a form of discrimination if you think about it.

[Anonymous No.11454925]

>>11454917
Devil's advocate: adult male virgins are such *because* they are creepy.

[Anonymous No.11454937]

>>11454354
Surprisingly good article for the New York Times. Might have to check this author out. Anyone got any suggestions for which of his books to read first?

[Anonymous No.11454940]

>>11454925
It depends whether or not you think that being genetically ugly can qualify someone as being creepy. If so, then that is in itself a prejudice that has to be addressed.

[Anonymous No.11454941]

>>11454917
society uses virginity as a characteristic to judge people

-because people, especial women, know that women cannot keep their legs closed
-because people know that most men never amount to anything

virginity is the best discriminant for people:
-good women are not tramps
-good men manage to make something of their lives (and, since women are loose by nature, fucking a woman is not so hard (if you do not fuck a woman, you better be good at something else))

naturally, this utopia never occurs:
-women spread their legs chasing their fun, especially through good sex, thanks to the men ready to serve them
-very few men go beyond women
men never amount to anything besides providing entertainment for women, since providing for women is the easiest thing, especially when it comes to giving them gifts

For anybody in a society, A man lives to care for spooks and women. A man who does not do that is obviously a failure.

[Anonymous No.11454960]

>>11454925
Have you bothered to ask yourself why "creepy" men have become so numerous within roughly three previous generations? Have you bothered to consider that these men might not be subhumans who emerged from a sewer for the sole purpose of spreading hate and malevolence, but are humans of the same kind as you?

[Anonymous No.11454961]

Reminder it is women, not men who are the largest consumers by far of anti-depressants

I don't know why people, both feminists and robots pretend as if whats going on today is suffering nerdy guys and girls who are having a wonderful time being used and abused by guys who don't give a shit about them

Men are just the ones who will go out and shoot up a place because of it.

[Anonymous No.11454962]

>>11454699
Anon, tell me truly: what do incels want?
Sex? Go to a prostitute. If you can't find one, you just need to leave the house a little more. If you don't want to do that, then you're holding yourself back, not society.
Reproduction? Pay someone to carry your child. If you can't afford it, you probably can't afford to support a child in any case, so why would you ever want to do that?
I think your problem is incels define their identity around being a victim, and change your identity is hard and counter-intuitive work.

[Anonymous No.11454965]

>>11454940
"Creepy" is basically a biological concept. Much of it is genetic, sure. Thankfully it's also sociocultural.
Yeah it's unfair to judge someone by something they had no control over (genetics), but men are way worse because they privilege genetics (hip/waist ratio) when it comes to attraction far more than women do. Women at least account for wealth.

[Anonymous No.11454969]

>blaming society for not gettin laid

These are the same kind of people that blame minorites for complaining about "GIBES ME DAT"

[Anonymous No.11454971]

>>11454904
>>11454908
Keep telling yourself that.
Zuck is a cuck. Weinstein had balls (even if what he did was wrong).
It's just one example. Status and power is what gets women, and money is not the same thing. You could easily find other examples, but you just want to confirm your bias.

[Anonymous No.11454973]

>>11454961
Men are less likely to seek help for mental health issues than women are, so use of anti-depressants aren't necessarily a good metric of gender disparities in mental illness.

[Anonymous No.11454979]

>>11454664
>the correct reaction to being unwantable is anger at society, not yourself
Maybe read a book, anon.

[Anonymous No.11454983]

>>11454960
Of course they are not subhumans. They are essentially human. I understand the competition between men has gotten harder, because now a man has to compete globally (i.e., he could have been chad in his podunk small town but now facebook/insta/etc. means girls have access to chadder guys everywhere).

That doesn't justify misogyny. If anything, they should work harder or settle. Not blame problems on society, like a bunch of babies. So much for "men"

[Anonymous No.11454984]

>>11454969
>t. polosopher
Don't worry, brosef. Good times are coming back. Q has proofs.

[Anonymous No.11454988]

>>11454965
The fact that men are more visual is counterbalanced by the fact that men are also way less choosy than women are in non-monogamous contexts. It doesn't matter if a guy's conception of beauty is more genetic than a woman's is if that guy is more likely to fuck below his standards than the woman is.

[Anonymous No.11454989]

>>11454973
I can accept that, but even so this idea that the suffering going on today is one sided is the major thing that needs to be got rid of if we're ever going to make a step forward
Despite the claims of women benefitting from hypergamy, the reality is women do want loving partners not to be single mothers

[Anonymous No.11454991]

>>11454962
Honestly? I would guess that they want to feel as if they are worthy of loving. I'm not sure exactly. For a heterosexual, I'm pretty disinterested in romance and sex compared to other men my age ( I even see marriage as a genetic transaction that ought not necessarily involve love). I have a soft spot for incels though because It's obvious that they *could* contribute to society if their needs were possibly met.

[Anonymous No.11454992]

>>11454925
True in many cases, but then we must ask why are they creepy?

Why are "autism" rates among children skyrocketing with each decade? is it simply the result of more liberal classification, or does culture and environment play a part?

100 years ago if you were a slightly weird guy with no real social awareness, you'd be "set up" with some low-status girl and handed some low-responsibility job. She wouldn't really feel satisfied (and would finger herself to novels and rub against the furniture when Elvis came on the radio) but would accept her lot. People had such low expectations of life that even visiting a different city in one's own country was a milestone in their life, and they had no awareness of Fiji, New York etc to give a fuck about visiting those places, or consider it possible. The creepy guy, in a community-orientated, ingroup-preference-dominated society would be pitied, patronized, ridiculed etc for sure but would STILL be treated as "one of our own" and therefore provided with the tools necessary to make him at least somewhat attractive to women, and would form a community and friendships only with people from his local area.

Today, the socially unaware "creep" is essentially left to raise himself in isolation due to mom & dad's divorce, becomes highly eccentric as a result of a lack social constraint (think bowling with the barriers removed), is allowed to have his eccentricity and emerging creepiness reinforced online, and becomes REALLY fucking creepy when he is denied a job, denied even the potential for love, finds himself without anybody naturally there to support and guide him (a father, a local community, etc) and therefore becomes the target of people like Roosh etc who exist simply to make him feel good about himself in exchange for intensifying his hatred of women, who he has come to view as an homogenous group of malevolent creatures who have treated him unjustly, and who he can only approach in extremes, e.g. either violently with hatred and self-aggrandisement, or pathetically with self-debasement and cringeworthy pleas of yearning.

[Anonymous No.11454993]

>>11454603
>the violence used to force monogamy is not greater in evil than the men not having women
Your suffering will have no impact in the world. At least write about it.

[Anonymous No.11454997]

>"When Helen Lefkowitz said I was "such a creep" at Interlochen in 1956, her remark epitomized the feeling that females have always had about me. My attempts to understand why females rejected me and to decide what to do about it resulted in years of confusion. In 1961-1962, I tried to develop a theory of the creep problem. This theory took involuntary celibacy as the defining characteristic of the creep. Every society has its image of the ideal young adult, even though the symbols of growing up change from generation to generation.The creep is an involuntary celibate because he fails to develop the surface traits of adulthood--poise and sophistication; and because he is shy, unassertive, and lacks self-confidence in the presence of others . The creep is awkward and has an unstylish appearance. He seems sexless and childish. He is regarded by the ideal adults with condescending scorn, amusement, or pity."

http://www.vasulka.org/archive/Artists2/Flint/Blueprint.pdf

[Anonymous No.11455000]

>>11454983
Pointing out societal problems isn't misogyny. And the fact that you see society as a vagina to be protected speaks volumes of your position.
Nor is pointing out problems in society equivalent to 'blaming society'. Why are you SJW creeps dancing on the graves of natives?

[Anonymous No.11455003]

>>11454983
>Of course they are not subhumans. They are essentially human.

You really do have a hard time thinking of them as human. At best, they're "essentially human".

[Anonymous No.11455013]

>>11454988

What woman wants non-monogamous, non-chads? It's irrelevant to them that 90% of men would fuck and dash. And they really don't care that some weird incel would worship their feet forever.
They want monogamous chad. You should be glad even if you're a genetic failure, you can be chad. If you're a genetic failure as a woman, tough luck.

[Anonymous No.11455017]

>>11454653
>In the Biblical marriage pattern of centuries past, you were sold to an old, angry fuck at 18 or thereabouts and had to pleasure him at his will exclusively - and if you 'misbehaved' (or if he was feeling like it), you could be whipped like Kate, and if divorce was inevitable, you'd end up in the workhouse.
Gee-whiz, anon, I wonder why people don't see your point.

[Anonymous No.11455021]

>>11455003
Yeah, well it's hard to give them that without a qualifier, seeing as incels' rates of deception, rape, mass murder, and other generally offensive behavior is significantly higher than that of the general population.

[Anonymous No.11455023]

>>11454699
No one owes you an education either. Indeed outside of negative rights, no one owes you anything.

[Anonymous No.11455025]

>>11454989
The distinction is that female suffering is taken much more seriously by mainstream publications than male suffering is. Look at the way publications talk about the beauty standards men apply to women, and notice the complete silence with regards to the sexual standards women apply to men. Suffering that disproportionately affects men gets almost no coverage at all.

[Anonymous No.11455026]

>>11454984
what? Speak english you damned mong.

[Anonymous No.11455028]

>>11454532
Train therapists to better recognize and treat the issue.
Also, all incel therapy should include an absolute minimum of three separate psychedelic guided sessions.
When the psychedelic revolution hits, life will improve for all.

[Anonymous No.11455029]

In the end, what will end the incel question is not some return to patriarchy and redistribution of sex. This is simply impossible in the contemporary cultural climate. What will end the incel question will be the development of sexbots and full immersion virtual reality.

You won't feel alone once you can just log into a virtual harem or buy a loving wife/maid made of silicon.

[Anonymous No.11455030]

>>11454796
Sucks to suck anon, it’s all on you and you alone to improve yourself.

[Anonymous No.11455031]

>>11455000
Ok, if we set aside "society", you can at least see that incels fundamentally blame women. Not themselves.

[Anonymous No.11455033]

>>11455021
Chads kill Stacey’s all the time. Most mass murders are fathers killing their wife and kids.

[Anonymous No.11455035]

>>11455013
Even non-monogomous chad is fine for them. Women usually accept the cheating husband back into their life, partly it's true because they are financially dependent on him, but also because they are impressed that other women (usually younger) find him sexually attractive (and that she must too be attractive to be wed to such a guy) and because they accept as given that a successful man will have a "wild", aggressive, amoral and often violent side.

For example, in my workplace a girl was talking about some woman who had accepted her husband back into her life even though he beat her and cheated on her. I casually pointed out that the simple solution would be to just divorce him, and they looked at me with absolute disgust and said, in a patronizing tone, "Oh, it's not that easy".

[Anonymous No.11455037]

>>11454728
If they were able bodied they would be living a stable life, with a relationship.

[Anonymous No.11455038]

>>11455013
>What woman wants non-monogamous, non-chads?
Literally every woman under 30. Do you have any female friends?
>You should be glad even if you're a genetic failure, you can be chad.
No you fucking can't. The sort of money that would require is so rare that it can't be taken into account when talking about the experiences of average men.

[Anonymous No.11455042]

>>11455021
Is it, though? If I had to guess, I'd say most criminals are not only not virgins, but they have more sex than average males.

The problem with incels is actually the opposite of engaging in offensive behavior. It's that they are too passive and repressed. Of course, sometimes the dam breaks, but how many cases of incel mass murders did we have in the last 10 years? Half a dozen? Clearly not a mass phenomenom like gang crime, which is exclusively committed by Chads (or Jamal and Tyrones).

[Anonymous No.11455048]

>>11455035
Yeah for sure, there's a balance women negotiate between "chadness" and monogamy.

Unfortunately for incels, even if they are 100% monogamous, their chad levels just aren't up to par. Regular beta men are just over the edge.

[Anonymous No.11455049]

>>11455029
End no-fault divorce, let men opt out of child support, and don't give government money to single moms. There we go 90% of the problem solved

[Anonymous No.11455050]

>>11454784
What contract? I didn’t sign shit.

[Anonymous No.11455051]

>>11455029
Nobody will be buying silicon fuckdolls. They're about as outdated a concept as porn magazines. Virtual Reality will signal the end of white men in general (perhaps Japs too). The white man is essentially an autistic idealist, and as long as there is somewhere for him to exert himself and carve out a better world he will take it, even if it is no longer in his own nation, or on some other continent, or in space, but is in fact inside his own head.

[Anonymous No.11455054]

>>11455025
The dirty seceret is that women are like children and they want to be treated that way. They're dependent, less able to deal with problems on their own and are far less capable of sustaining themselves through loneliness and stress

Peterson is right, as a man you just have to take that on, because they're not going to accept being treated like adults and its no good for anyone if we start asking to be babied like them

[Anonymous No.11455056]

>>11454545
But anon, inclusion, drugs, sex, and the death of religion are all good things. You're right these were things the right was paranoid about, but you forgot to mention that the right is the establishment, and should be fought at every opportunity until the day the populace can hang them from the WH balcony.

[Anonymous No.11455057]

>mfw looking at my dad and grand-daddy's photo albums and discover how below average they used to be

They would both struggle like me in the current dating market

[Anonymous No.11455059]

>>11454715
>be attracted to people you aren't attracted to
sounds like a great plan

[Anonymous No.11455063]

>>11454781
Guys an idiot soft head.

[Anonymous No.11455064]

>>11455038
>No you fucking can't. The sort of money that would require is so rare that it can't be taken into account when talking about the experiences of average men.

Lmao. Sorry the universe isn't making it easy for you dude. You sound like a loser.

[Anonymous No.11455065]

>>11455021
>incels' rates of deception, rape, mass murder, and other generally offensive behavior is significantly higher than that of the general population.

I keep forgetting that people actually trust the news in the 21st century.

[Anonymous No.11455067]

>>11454495
congrats you solved unique pair matching more than 60 years after it became common knowledge in the field

[Anonymous No.11455068]

>>11454595
Hum, they can legally murder it. Who's stopping them?

[Anonymous No.11455069]

Western society has forgotten the value of constancy. Social institutions guarantee everyone has a place and a goal. Even the Untouchables had their struggle laid out before them at birth. Now every individual is expected to contend with infinity. You can have or do anything and so you must. It's imperative to exercise your newfound freedom.

[Anonymous No.11455071]

>>11455030
>self improvement meme
Don't worry I'm already being myself to the fullest, anon!

[Anonymous No.11455073]

>>11454808
Maybe the white race should fuck more?

[Anonymous No.11455076]

>>11455057
In their day, they would either work some decent-paying manual job or some new and relatively exciting office job.

What did your mom and grandma do for work?

Let me guess:

>housewife
>receptionist
>secretary
>hair dresser
>waitress
>nursing assistant

[Anonymous No.11455077]

>>11455064
>dating is totally easy for men, all you have to do is be rich!
Very insightful contribution to the discussion, thank you

[Anonymous No.11455081]

>>11455069
Pic related is a good book about that subject

[Anonymous No.11455083]

>>11455042
>Is it, though? If I had to guess, I'd say most criminals are not only not virgins, but they have more sex than average males.

Yeah I agree dude. Not saying "all criminals are incels". Probably there are plenty of chads among them. But rather "more incels than the general population are criminals".

There actually aren't that many incels IRL. They're overrepresented on the internet, which might make it feel like there are more than there are.

[Anonymous No.11455085]

>>11454545
My fear is that /pol/ shitposting will never end and it will be accepted as "just the way things are". Then again, I'd finally be free of this place and actually read books so maybe it's a good thing.

[Anonymous No.11455086]

>>11455076
They were probably happier

[Anonymous No.11455088]

>>11455073
>we're overpopulated, man, this is just the population correcting itself
>but only in the white parts

[Anonymous No.11455096]

>>11455051
Full immersion virtual reality is truly the solution to the Fermi paradox.

[Anonymous No.11455097]

>>11455073
They can't do that while being as self-conscious as they are.

Zappfe's "Last Messiah" mentions the man who can no longer hunt meat because he has become aware of his likeness to an animal and all living things, and foresees a time when man will no longer reproduce because he understands that increased consciousness is prohibitive of things such as mating, enjoying life, etc and that life will only be treated as a growing psychological burden. This is exactly the case with the white race. It is being replaced by low-IQ, animal-tier non-whites who are happy to breed like rabbits because they have almost no conception of individualism and therefore simply do as their fellow non-whites do, finding enjoyment not in higher thought but in eating spicy foods, yelling, and fucking.

[Anonymous No.11455098]

>>11455077
It's actually more optimistic than it sounds, my manimal
In our society it's at least *possible* to become rich. You're not fundamentally damned to being an incel. I don't know what else to tell you.

[Anonymous No.11455103]

>>11454960
Maybe they wouldn’t be creepy if they would stop jerking off to anime. Turns out fitting into the norm is a good thing.

[Anonymous No.11455107]

>>11455086
They almost certainly were, which is why "happiness", "fun" etc is such a stupid metric by which to measure one's success in life. You cannot have a highly intelligent, highly self-conscious population who are also way up there on the happiness scale. If you want a happy population, keep them dumb and distract them 24/7. There's a reason why so many people in Finland kill themselves while very few Africans do, and it's not only because of the weather.

[Anonymous No.11455111]

>>11454545
This post makes me wonder if you've ever actually read literature or philosophy before.

[Anonymous No.11455116]

>Just lift bro

[Anonymous No.11455117]

>>11455098
The distinction is that the genetic perimeters a man can occupy in order to have access to casual sex is much narrower than it is for women. The second problem is that women (whose status doesn't affect their sexual access at all) are now taking many of the high status positions away from men who need those positions in order to attract a mate.

[Anonymous No.11455120]

>>11454991
It's an interesting point. What do you think about Jordanesque advice? Personally, I believe the man is a hack as a philosopher, but I won't dismiss the possibility that he may be useful as a life coach for the unwantables -- who, of course, just need to realize that with a little effort, in a year they could become perfectly acceptable love receptacles.

[Anonymous No.11455133]

>>11455111
This post makes me wonder if you've ever actually formulated an argument before

[Anonymous No.11455137]

>>11455023
And I might agree with you, but society seems to be diverging from your line of thinking. But that isn't what I'm talking about. Collectively, society has moved toward accepting all of those things as owed rights. Look at scandinavian countries.

[Anonymous No.11455138]

>>11455088
Guess that means the other races are the better ones.

[Anonymous No.11455147]

>>11455120
Not him, but Jordan Peterson's advice most of the time is just common sense shit that every conservative man over 70 would tell you if you asked for advice. The fact that it's considered radical for a young man today to maintain a clean-cut image, pursue a career, treat women as status-orientated submissives, eat healthily, and refuse to bow to the demands of others is really just an insight into how fucked things are. Peterson s the anti-Watts, preaching conservatism and community where Watts preached rebellion and self-involvement.

[Anonymous No.11455148]

>>11454992
Anon, are you under the impression that a woman that had been paired up with an unsatisfying idiot 100 years ago wouldn't be banging someone else every chance she got, especially if she was hot?
Do you think cheating was invented in the 60s?

[Anonymous No.11455150]

>>11455117
>The distinction is that the genetic perimeters a man can occupy in order to have access to casual sex is much narrower than it is for women.

Yeah but who gives a shit. Casual sex is meaningless and degenerate

[Anonymous No.11455152]

>>11455097
Sounds like the better race than, if you can’t compete in nature than gtfo.

[Anonymous No.11455153]

>>11454427
Having an unwanted baby is much more disastrous than not getting laid

[Anonymous No.11455155]

>>11455137
Ya, it’s sad that people want bigger and bigger nanny states.

[Anonymous No.11455156]

>>11455150
Not even casual sex but just companionship and sexual intimacy in general.

[Anonymous No.11455157]

>>11455117
>The second problem is that women (whose status doesn't affect their sexual access at all) are now taking many of the high status positions away from men who need those positions in order to attract a mate.

I'm sympathetic to this (because of muh gender diversity quotas are BS) but would also say men aren't entitled to high status jobs on account of their gender. If a woman can do the job better than the man, give it to her. Hard to disagree with that if you believe in fair competition. are you proposing that we prevent exemplary women from filling these high positions, because that keeps someone from getting laid? ...

[Anonymous No.11455167]

>>11454455
>we can't force someone to find you attractive.
FINISH HIM

[Anonymous No.11455168]

>>11455157
In a purely competitive environment I wouldn't mind, but we live in an HR culture where hiring practices aren't always related to competence (women have a 2-1 hiring advantage in STEM fields, for instance). It feels like women as a tribe are actively choosing to take things from us.

[Anonymous No.11455169]

>>11455059
Does that apply to men, or just women?

[Anonymous No.11455170]

>>11455156
That doesn't make any sense. For someone to have a companion it means there has to be a man too
Women may find it easier to fool themselves into thinking they have companions but true relationships are a two way street

[Anonymous No.11455171]

>>11454642
Anon there probably is hope for you, especially if you are reasonable enough to post this. You may have to settle for a lower "status" woman but unless you have severe mental hangups someone will probably take you. A self-defeating attitude is unattractive though, you have to have hope.

[Anonymous No.11455172]

>>11455148
Yes I am, although I will make clear that I have no rosy image of the past. Life itself sucks, and there's no way around that. It's why that template didn't work.

In the 1920s etc people respected religion more, were more influenced by sociallu conservative environment, and had more people to answer to if they did cheat (their own family, their spouses family, the community etc). Now that those bonds are essentially broken, we are all just free agents tied to nobody, truly "ghosts" (in the dating app sense) flitting in and out of the lives of those we source pleasure from for a brief period. I don't think you can argue that it is just as acceptable, or as tempting, to cheat today as it was 100 years ago.

[Anonymous No.11455177]

What makes anyone ITT think their status is higher than the incels' in any way that matters? In a state where women expect the top 20%, is being in the top 70% any better than in the bottom 90%?

[Anonymous No.11455179]

>>11455168
Yeah that sort of thing is bullshit. Things will change. These practices ultimately affect the bottom line, and the market will sort things out.

[Anonymous No.11455182]

>>11455071
Are you exercising, and have you asked for any girl's number this week

[Anonymous No.11455184]

>>11454639
Good and relatable post

[Anonymous No.11455185]

This thread is interesting and productive.

[Anonymous No.11455188]

>>11454406
>They think incels are exclusively in the wrong.
>"The sexual revolution of the 1960s, widely seen as a liberation movement, is better understood as the intrusion of capitalist values into the previously sacrosanct realm of intimate life. “Just like unrestrained economic liberalism … sexual liberalism produces phenomena of absolute pauperization,”"
Did you even read the part of the article the anon pulled out for you? He blames the sexual revolution (and it's wide acceptance as good) and the capitalist values weeding into intimate life. And yes, a lot of it does fall on the exclusive shoulders of the incels. A lot of them (not all, some are gonna be left out to dry) really do just need to clean up and go out and try to talk to women.

[Anonymous No.11455194]

>>11455170
This is only true in monogamous cultures. My brother is a chad. You'd be surprised to know how many women are completely okay with sharing an exceptionally attractive man rather than be exclusive with a mediocre man. Many women will also not date if they don't think their options are good enough, and choosing not to date when you have options is less stressful than putting yourself out there and being constantly rejected.

[Anonymous No.11455196]

>>11455172
No, but I can answer that cheating happened just as much, it just wasn't discussed because it was seen as 'between man and wife'. People were people were people

[Anonymous No.11455197]

>>11454858
>What's wrong with prioritizing oneself through prioritizing what their mother, daughter, sister and niece would be happy with?

Thats by definition not prioritizing yourself. Anyway I see no reason to believe women are better off in this situation, he's talking as if female hysteria is in any way better now when female suicide rates are higher than ever

[Anonymous No.11455204]

>>11455194
Yeah but you're missing the point that these women are exceptionally stupid. Like easily 80-90 IQ range. They are actively bamboozled and wouldn't stand for the relationship if they had any grasp on how disposable and meaningless they are to him
This happens frequently and its why these relationships are as a rule extremely short lived

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.11455207]

Main problem is that men don't have close and intimate friendships anymore. Most rely entirely on the women in their lives for companionship. A fat woman can go a decade without fucking without wanting to kill herself because she has like 20 friends (whom she hugs when she meets) to talk about her feelings with. Men with good social ties aren't worried about bitches.

[Anonymous No.11455215]

>>11455133
You already got BTFO by the first anon that replied to you. Unironically all of the things you listed aren't objectively bad and I would say most of them are good. You're just insulated in your ultra-conservative bubble and frightened of the world around you. Basically I'm wondering why you are on this board if you are so terrified of others' ideas.

[Anonymous No.11455216]

>>11455196
Makes you wonder what is the point of the sexual revolution then if we are to believe people were just as promiscuous in the 1920s as they are in the 2010s.

[Anonymous No.11455219]

>>11455204
This just isn't true. Like>>11455207 points out a lot of women gets their fill of intimacy from their female friends. Many smart women are okay with getting fucked by chad and hanging out with their girlfriends whenever he isn't around.

[Anonymous No.11455221]

>>11454787
based

[Anonymous No.11455228]

>>11455219
>a lot of women gets their fill of intimacy from their female friends

lel imagine believing this shit. WOMEN DO NOT HAVE FRIENDS. They have strategic allies, never take a female friendship seriously ever

[Anonymous No.11455236]

>>11455215
It's not really BTFOing if you just say "you were right about what happened but it was actually good", and I don't even agree with that guy.

It's like thinking "this but unironically" is a decent rebuttal.

[Anonymous No.11455237]

>>11455228
>his conception of women comes from Mean Girls
Nah, women can be genuinely close

[Anonymous No.11455238]

Romantic/sexual intimacy, like familial love and friendships, are a baseline from which confidence and self esteem can grow. Think of a child that has grown up unloved by their parents or guardians. We all know of one or two (you might be one yourself). What happens to them? They're walking messes; beaten dogs who react to the world with either hostility or fear. This is because they had no baseline when they were growing up. Nothing to validate themselves as beings with worth and importance. That's what love does. It confirms your place in the world.

As we grow up, we seek affection and companionship from other places, places where affection is given because of who we are rather than what we are (i.e. someone's son). We seek friends and as we get older we seek partners, who validate us in the most intimate and personal of ways. You can never be that bad of a person if someone lets you stick your most vulnerable part of your body in their vulnerable part of their body; if someone allows you to be naked with them; if someone confides with you emotionally; if someone is close to you and totally at peace. You can't be all bad if this happens. You must have SOME worth.

This is what incels and FA's and robots lack, this most profound and intimate validation. And Normies never understand this lack because you only notice it when it isn't there. They say "I validated myself!" And they're wrong. We are validated by others, by the people we love who love us back. Everything else is shallow narcissism

[Anonymous No.11455244]

Patriarchy: rule of the father.
It doesn't mean rule of man, and it doesn't mean oppression of women. It means rule of the male figure of authority, and oppression of everyone else. Weak males suffer as much under a patriarchal society (they are never considered worthy of picking up their father's mantle) as women, though their positions are different: men contend with having to measure themselves against an ideal that they may not live up to, and women with the fact that there's nothing to aim for, since they will never become a Father.
The father is the moral authority. He doesn't nurture, doesn't debate; he punishes, beats, decides. He is a man of action. Young men fear that they will never become their fathers, and yet see that men they're age are infinitely closer to that ideal than they are. These, they call the Chads. The Chad isn't more than a figure the young man believes to be closer to the behemoth that chastised him when he was five and misbehaving, one that he thinks that all women want to fuck because they think all women, like him, the weak man, lust for a strong figure of authority. The man, for becoming, the woman, for fucking. Remember, we are only inside the young man's mind.
I would like to know this board's opinion about my thesis, which is that young men these days are mostly worried that their dad is a better lay than they are.

[Anonymous No.11455245]

>>11455236
I dunno why you expect anons to waste time actually tearing down your worthless arguments when you barely put in effort yourself. You just listed things you think are bad in a negative sounding way. Go read a book about those topics if you actually want to hear another perspective. But you don't.

[Anonymous No.11455249]

>>11455237
>Nah, women can be genuinely close

No they fucking aren't. Women "friendships" are a joke and its because they can never be real with each other. A guy will call his friend a faggot and tell him where he is in the world while women just constantly feed each other a slew of bullshit and have no care about knowing who each other actually are. Women friendships are hilarious

[Anonymous No.11455257]

>>11454770
>when the first quarter of the elementary particles is basically Houellebecq writing about his childhood

[Anonymous No.11455258]

>>11454621
>Sex is important because it's a derivative of status
>Each sexual encounter has its own value - how it came about; cold approach, tinder etc, the status of the people involved etc
>A beautiful person of value Turing down sex with someone beautiful he engaged through a cold open for shits and giggles has more value that a "2" engaging in a figurative meat grinder with a bunch of other "2s" he met on tinder

Incels, that is, want sex, can't get sex, are literally societal garbage that are not a desired event in society, this incles will testify to themselves

It's a result of the world becoming idealistic again, MAGA, brexit etc
In the future the world will have a clear ugly/beautiful divide after "race" is outbred (it's been predicted already)

Tl;dr: incels are not a problem to be fixed but a moment in history to ignore that will pass because they just can't compete

[Anonymous No.11455262]

>This misogyny can make reading Houellebecq an ordeal, and he ought to be read with the suspicion and resistance that his ideas deserve.

NYT book review being subtle as always. Guess you can't take any chances when instructing the

[Anonymous No.11455267]

>>11455216
You can be vocal about the fact that you want to fuck everyone, and not be beholden to a thousands years old ritual that had the single purpose of giving religions and states powers over sexuality.

[Anonymous No.11455268]

>>11455215
the first anon was being ironic. Which most of them do you think are good?

[Anonymous No.11455269]

Reminder that women are not sheep. they cut their throats all the time. On the contrary, it is the sheep nature of men which permits them to associate and created some fleeting sense camaraderie and even unionize, or at least to fantasize about it.

[Anonymous No.11455278]

>>11455267
>and not be beholden to a thousands years old ritual that had the single purpose of giving religions and states powers over sexuality.

Imagine believing this. You are a fucking worm

[Anonymous No.11455285]

>>11455267
>power over sexuality
It was to make dads financially responsible for their offspring in the era before paternity testing and before inventions like the washing machine made a woman's domestic work part time. It served a pragmatic function

[Anonymous No.11455286]

>>11455269
I don't know what you're talking about. Its women who articles every day in mainstream newspapers unionizing their ideology while men only turn on other men to help them

[Anonymous No.11455290]

>>11455249
These sorts of friendships are still superior to having literally no one

[Anonymous No.11455296]

>>11455290
I totally disagree. It reduces human life to mere spectacle and social virtuality.
I would rather be alone and know who I am

[Anonymous No.11455303]

>>11454383
As has been before.

[Anonymous No.11455304]

>>11454786
this

[Anonymous No.11455305]

>>11455244
>which is that young men these days are mostly worried that their dad is a better lay than they are.
Im pretty sure incels are more worried about having a significant other than thinking about their dad at all in any way. The desire for intimacy at all is the primary

[Anonymous No.11455309]

>>11455182
Yes to exercise. No to asking for numbers. Asking a girl for her number is such an alien concept to me. Besides it's not like I associate or come into contact with any woman my age anyway. I'm pretty much fucked and beginning to accept that fact . No need to waste time replying to me with basic bitch advice or anything. This thread is supposed be about Houellebecq anyway not my personal autistic life.

[Anonymous No.11455321]

>>11455309
Get a mail order bride. The women involved in that unironically want a husband that loves and cares for them.

[Anonymous No.11455326]

>>11455258
>incels are the ugly ones
Shame this isn't the end of ugliness.

[Anonymous No.11455328]

>>11455309
Just make an account on okcupid or something you defeatist pussy

[Anonymous No.11455332]

What does being hugged by a woman feel like?

[Anonymous No.11455333]

>>11455244
>It means rule of the male figure of authority, and oppression of everyone else
Did your father rape you or something?

[Anonymous No.11455338]

>>11455244
>and women with the fact that there's nothing to aim for, since they will never become a Father.
I recall, back in the day, little girls wanted to become mothers and play house as opposed to us basedboys who wanted to throw snowballs and build castles.

[Anonymous No.11455349]

>>11455188
Welly Becky is right, though.

[Anonymous No.11455354]

>>11455268
Well a lot of the points I just flat out disagree with, like the racism against blacks, Jews, and Irish people. In general I am pro-multiculturalism but most of the things in the original post just aren't true. As far as Hollywood encouraging "degeneracy" that point is also largely not true but even if it is it is arguably no more harmful than the rigidly enforced norms continued by older popular media. Though lots of old books have plenty of degenerate shit in them as well and people have been complaining about that since before any of us were born. It's obvious that anon has no grasp of history or what life is or was like for people outside of his self-styled tribe.

[Anonymous No.11455358]

>>11455188
>talking to women as a low-status male

Don't wanna get accused of rape.

[Anonymous No.11455361]

>>11455332
Comfy :3

[Anonymous No.11455362]

>>11454997
This shit is fucking BASED why isn't he talked about more?

[Anonymous No.11455364]

>>11454904
But the fact that he doesn't despite the fact that he statuswise could DOES make him a man (with the small m). You say "yes but he could", as if it was an argument for all CEO's being Men, but it's exactly not that.

[Anonymous No.11455366]

>>11455328
>thinking we haven't
>thinking this changes anything.

[Anonymous No.11455369]

>>11455354
>As far as Hollywood encouraging "degeneracy" that point is also largely not true but even if it is it is arguably no more harmful than the rigidly enforced norms continued by older popular media.
That's a lie and you should know it.
>Though lots of old books have plenty of degenerate shit in them as well
Marquis de Sade, sure, but any others? Especially the stories tend to not promote "degenerate shit". Violence and penalties =/= degeneracy, by the way. Going for the lowest common denominator, communicating solely through implication and psychological structures however, is.

[Anonymous No.11455377]

If I get a 6-pack will someone love me? Even if i'm short and autistic?

[Anonymous No.11455392]

>>11454354
What the fucks an incel anyway? Am I one? I dont have success with women but I dont complain, I know the reasons and Im working to improve myself.

[Anonymous No.11455396]

Link related is a good example of the COMPROMISES people made in the past, simply not to be alone at the age of fourty

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37936913

[Anonymous No.11455400]

Am I incel if the girls at work talk to me all the time even though I don't want to? I have not had sex in almost 3 years because I am autistic and wanted to stop existing for a while

[Anonymous No.11455404]

>>11455138
Or maybe it is because most of these people are out of employment and get benefits paid for by white people. White people are being teached to have a good career. Most of my friends stay in college and then try to have a career and dont even think about having kids before they turn 30. At which point they maybe get one or two children. I would advice you to watch the opening scene of a shitty movie called Idiocracy which explains this pretty well.

It is factually proven that the general IQ in the west is getting lower and lower because dumb jobless people get 6 kids and smart hardworking people maybe 1 or I know this couple who only got a dog. No children just a dog.

[Anonymous No.11455407]

>>11455400
Fuck no. The girls at work talk to me all the time too, but I know if I ever made an advance on any of them I would be quickly afforded CREEP status.

[Anonymous No.11455413]

>>11455400
No, you’re a normie.

[Anonymous No.11455418]

>>11454639
The most pathetic post to ever degrade this collective of 0s and 1s

[Anonymous No.11455419]

>>11455364
What are you saying, he has extreme freedom, how does his choice denigrate him? Are you saying he could only be a Man if he did what was possible for him and have a harem of 30 supermodel girlfriends? Do you doubt that its technically possible for him to do such? From where might his preferential choice and final decisions come from?

[Anonymous No.11455426]

>>11455369
It's not a lie. The stories in the Bible which used to be drilled into children's heads are full of awful awful morals which are far worse than casual drug use or sexual freedom. Also hardly any popular media today espouses nihilism, that is just patently false. Most classics which are remembered from the last few hundred years actually promoted more liberal values for their time.

The lowest common denominator works of the past aren't remembered but they existed. Ever heard of penny-dreadfuls? People were reading porn books and singing dirty songs for hundreds of years. You are just displaying ignorance.

[Anonymous No.11455428]

>>11455238
high iq post

[Anonymous No.11455440]

>>11455400
>not a virgin
No, you are not an incel. Incels are virgins who have no chance with women either because of their personality or appearance. They live a lonely life as soon as they are get out of their parents house and get a full time job. No affection and no personal attention and the looks of disappointment of their parents.

[Anonymous No.11455442]

>>11455426
>The stories in the Bible which used to be drilled into children's heads are full of awful awful morals which are far worse than casual drug use or sexual freedom.
lmao like what? by the way causal sex isn't the issue in itself, but the societal problems that result from the dissolution of monogamy

[Anonymous No.11455445]

>>11455207
Its usually the womens fault too. Ive had to many friends just dissapear essentially because of the females in their lives. Men just let todays women walk all over them because it like 10x easier for a woman to find a new mate.

[Anonymous No.11455451]

>tfw no gf

[Anonymous No.11455461]

>>11455419
Potential is the sexiest thing in life, even moreso I would suggest than attainment. It's partly why youth is so attractive, and is definitely why blacks are viewed as unnatractive while whites aren't. Why? Because a white person could choose to be black if they wanted to, they have the potential to simply tan a shit-ton or apply tons of bronzer. Blacks however don't have the potential. Much like bald men lack the potential to have long flowing hair, while men with long flowing hair have the potential to become bald should they choose. Potential suggests power, and power is of course the main means of ranking and ordering people, countries, etc. So a single man who is a virgin at 30 (e.g. Tim Tebow, Hitler, Jesus) will always be viewed as attractive, even moreso I argue (which is why boybands are encouraged not to date), because they have the POTENTIAL to date almost whoever they like due to their status, handsomeness etc. A man however who is earning a great wage but has no potential to grow hair, no potential to grow taller, no potential to become more physically attractive, won't be all that desirable even if you add another 100k to his salary, because no woman would want him at minimum wage, and so no woman would want him then, because he lacks potential.

[Anonymous No.11455473]

>>11455207
This is true. Also social ties lead to women finding you desirable. A man who cannot impress other men and thereby earn their companionship is an absolute dead end, romantically.

[Anonymous No.11455476]

If a big part of the problem is sluttery, Man is as much to blame as it takes two to tango, so instead of incels complaining to and about women, why dont they tell all the slutty men to only have 1 sexual partner

[Anonymous No.11455488]

>>11455476
1. Houellebecq cover this at length, which is why the charge of misogyny is so retarded. Houellebecq is the GTA of literary fiction in that most people he depicts are shit.

2. Women DO NOT find inexperienced men attractive, not after the age of about 22 anyway. A few of them are sexually attracted to "twink-like" guys (trust me, I am one and have experienced this) but as a partner a woman does not want to be the only guy her partner has ever had, because it suggests she is the only woman he can have.

[Anonymous No.11455496]

>>11455426
name one, profligate

[Anonymous No.11455504]

>>11455476
>Caring what betas have to say.

[Anonymous No.11455506]

>>11455442
Sodom and Gomorrah. Noah's Ark. The slaughter of the canaanites. Adam and Eve. Story of Samson. Honestly too many to list, those are off the top of my head. You have God-approved massacres, heavy misogyny, heavy anti-gay stuff, blind following of authority, and more.
Most of the new testament is fine.

[Anonymous No.11455507]

>>11455488
What does being a twink have to do with sexual experience?

[Anonymous No.11455511]

>>11455488
>2. Women DO NOT find inexperienced men attractive, not after the age of about 22 anyway. A few of them are sexually attracted to "twink-like" guys (trust me, I am one and have experienced this) but as a partner a woman does not want to be the only guy her partner has ever had, because it suggests she is the only woman he can have.
This is meaningless and irrelevant. If all handsome, socially successfully, economically successfully, etc etc, average and high quality men were all virgins, and didnt disclose this to anyone/women, women would still find them attractive and want to be with them..

and if your rebuttal is: yeah but they would know when they wouldnt be good at sex!

1) A man can not be a virgin and still not be good at sex.

2) A man can be a virgin (and due to mediums of experience) and be good at sex his first time.

3) A number of those women may not care so much how experienced he is on the first few gos, and can easily teach.

4) With all those traits, handsome successful, a woman would not need the proof of other womens past with him for her to know that he exhibits desirable characteristics.

[Anonymous No.11455513]

>>11455461
I wish this was general enough to be used as pasta, this is priceless.

[Anonymous No.11455518]

>>11455504
>what has this entire thread been

[Anonymous No.11455521]

>>11455426
>The stories in the Bible which used to be drilled into children's heads are full of awful awful morals which are far worse than casual drug use or sexual freedom.
Do you have anything to back that up with?

[Anonymous No.11455526]

>>11455488
>Other women havent liked him. So how could I possibly like him?

Fem*ids really are a disgusting herd animal.

[Anonymous No.11455530]

>>11455507
Because I was visibly inexperienced in sexual matters: blushing, wide-eyed innocence, nervousness around girls, closed-body behaviour, stammering, embarassed grinning. My body was short-ish, skinny, pale, hairless (after she requested I shave my entire body), with flippy hair on my bed. Think emaciated teen-era Zac Efron. She enjoyed the fact I was inexperienced and shy, and enjoyed introducing me to fingering her, licking her vulva and clitoris, and so on. I believe she viewed me as sexually attractive for the same reason a guy might see a petite teen and want to take her virginity. What sucks is I'm still mentally the same now, but I look like shit so girls just think I'm an autistic manchild, which is true.

[Anonymous No.11455537]

>>11455511
>>11455488
Would be interesting to know what percentage of good quality, access-lots-of-pussy/slutty men never get married/have kids. And what percentage of the women they have had sex with never do either. And what percentage of them want.

[Anonymous No.11455544]

>>11455511
You're talking about the 1% of celebrity males who are virgins but hot, like the Jewish kid from Stranger Things. In real life if you are inexperienced and over say 22 women will sense that and won't want to waste time "teaching" you, because in today's cut-throat economy and high-opportunity dating market she would not want to "slow down" and potentially waste time on a guy who is not already the finished product.

[Anonymous No.11455549]

>>11455197
I disagree that this isn't prioritizing yourself. We're not all perfect clones of each other, but these people share a lot more of my genetic code than people who I'm not closely related too, so I have a vested interest in their well-being. Them having freedom of choice for some reason makes me happy. Call it empathy.

And isn't suicide higher for males and females? The same argument could be said of increasing male suicides (that it's due to sexual liberation). Plus, suicide being correlated with time complicates the issue (increase in toothpaste brands could be highly correlated with middle age female suicide rates). So unless a meta-analyses can take into account psyche, experience, opinions on dating and marriage ..etc in addition to known influences of suicide rates using suicide rate to support anything isn't a good idea. I'm not knowledgable on "hysteria" though, so if this has been looked into than forgive my ignorance. I'm mainly arguing that what benefits my female family does indeed benefit me.

[Anonymous No.11455550]

I'm not ugly, not fat, and 1,70m tall.
I guess I could find someone, in fact I already did in the past, but I'm a cynical fuck who doesn't leave the house or talk to anyone.
Will Houellebcq inspire me?

[Anonymous No.11455552]

>>11455050
Yes you did. You live in a society.

[Anonymous No.11455558]

behold quints

[Anonymous No.11455560]

>>11455526
Why do you think so many women lust over Benedict Cumberbatch? If he was just a guy who worked in your local plumbing company or whatever he would be a fucking freak, but he has gained Female Consensus Validation and therefore women will do anything to be the "chosen" one.

[Anonymous No.11455567]

>>11455506
>didn't go to Sunday school and doesn't know how those stories are framed to children

[Anonymous No.11455576]

>>11455550
Houellebecq isn't inspiring, but his pitiless and dark worldview does, at times, present a passing glimpse of a more gentle, innocent, virtuous life based on selflessness, love and tenderness which may inspire you to seek that out for yourself and find your own little island of light amid the darkness.

[Anonymous No.11455587]

>>11455549
>We're not all perfect clones of each other, but these people share a lot more of my genetic code

SPOOOOOOOKY BULLSHIT

[Anonymous No.11455592]

>>11455550
>and 1,70m tall.

lol so close. Too bad