/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11453953]

Why does it seem like there are so few books that accept that everything is probably going to be garbage no matter what and you have very little say in the matter? People seem to shit on pessimism, antinatalism and so on, but they seem to be the most accurate as far as their interpretation of reality.

[Anonymous No.11453976]

I have a good book about that, it's called see a doctor, get some meds and find decent a decent therapist for that depression, bucko

[Anonymous No.11453998]

>>11453976
>pumping people full of meds because they see through society's bullshit
loving modern psychology

[Anonymous No.11454002]

>>11453998
m8 we just want to help you. everyone loves you. call your mom, she misses you

[Anonymous No.11454008]

>>11453998
Oof.

[Anonymous No.11454013]

>>11453953
>>11453998
Based 21 y/o who finally sees the world for what it is.
You'll grow out of it.

[Anonymous No.11454067]

>>11454013
Nice condescension but as usual nobody actually explains why they feel that its something that can be grown out of.

[Anonymous No.11454073]

>>11454067
You grow to find meaning and root yourself in something as you get more experienced with the world and society around you

[Anonymous No.11454074]

>>11454067
Because the world have good and bad in it. You will grow out of this because you will learn to focus your attention on the good as much as on the bad.

[Anonymous No.11454084]

>>11454073
>>11454074
Pretty much this. As long as you're not an attention seeking woe-me fag, you'll grow out of it and realize it's worth it.

[Anonymous No.11454101]

>>11454073
And if you don't/can't? It's not a rule of life that everyone finds something that provides meaning

>>11454074
There's more bad in the world than good.

[Anonymous No.11454178]

>>11454101
That is because you are searching for it all the time and by doing this you attract negativity in your life. And even if this was true, wich is not, good and bad are the symptom of the aspectations you put upon the world. Stop doing that and life will be just life, and you may learn to love it.

[Anonymous No.11454181]

>>11453953
we live in a beautiful world nigger

[Anonymous No.11454184]

>>11454074
>>11454073
Not OP but I'm older than both of you and I agree with him

[Anonymous No.11454191]

>>11454178
I dont think values are subjective though. To just say 'just stop caring live laugh love' doesn't seem like a solution

[Anonymous No.11454252]

>>11453953
Only losers think like that and most losers arent even capable of forming a coherent thought let alone write a book.

[Anonymous No.11454279]

>>11453953
If you read in spanish, Osvaldo Lamborghini's Tadeys is bleaker, but it leans a bit moore towards something like dark comedy

[Anonymous No.11454297]

>>11453976
I would have suggested reading the Bible, but you may too be well onto something...

[Anonymous No.11454304]

>>11453953
Writing a book is a potent form of self expression. It's hard to imagine someone with that mind-set engaging in such an undertaking.

[Anonymous No.11454425]

>>11454191
It is the only possible solution. What you don't seem to get is that it is a totally legit way. Judgment are not inherent to reality, they are contingent to your culture and your desire. Judgment is not the problem. The problem is your emotive reaction to a judgement. Just train to think at different interpretations of reality that focus on both the good and the bad and you will soon realise how closed minded "the world is going to shit" interpretation is.

[Anonymous No.11454453]

>>11454252
>>11454304
In that case arent losers justified in thinking that way. Since you acknowledge how useless they are as people?

[Anonymous No.11454454]

>>11454252
>using the word "loser" seriously on 4chan.org

[Anonymous No.11454464]

>>11453998
Not what a psychologist does.

[Anonymous No.11454720]

If everything sucks why not kill yourself? It's the only reasonable course of action.

[Anonymous No.11454942]

>>11453976

[Anonymous No.11454949]

>>11454013
You are an enemy of mankind.

[Anonymous No.11455343]

>>11453953
They seem the most accurate because pessimists have typically had to endure harsh defeat numerous times in their lives. That's why they're pessimists. And if you have your shit together, you'll experience adrenaline rushes from those events which will force you to be more acutely aware of yourself and others.

But they only SEEM the most accurate. They aren't any more accurate than the person who persevered and accomplished great things in his life and has wisdom to share with others who aspire to succeed as well. These people are also less inclined to write about their experiences so you'll see less of it and think that it's rarer or less socially relevant, even though it isn't.

[Anonymous No.11455578]

>>11454464
Correct. Psychologists don't do anything.

[Anonymous No.11455667]

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/affirming.html

>Samvega was what the young Prince Siddhartha felt on his first exposure to aging, illness, and death. It's a hard word to translate because it covers such a complex range — at least three clusters of feelings at once: the oppressive sense of shock, dismay, and alienation that come with realizing the futility and meaninglessness of life as it's normally lived; a chastening sense of our own complacency and foolishness in having let ourselves live so blindly; and an anxious sense of urgency in trying to find a way out of the meaningless cycle. This is a cluster of feelings we've all experienced at one time or another in the process of growing up, but I don't know of a single English term that adequately covers all three. It would be useful to have such a term, and maybe that's reason enough for simply adopting the word samvega into our language.

>[]

>As the early Buddhist teachings freely admit, the predicament is that the cycle of birth, aging, and death is meaningless. They don't try to deny this fact and so don't ask us to be dishonest with ourselves or to close our eyes to reality. As one teacher has put it, the Buddhist recognition of the reality of suffering — so important that suffering is honored as the first noble truth — is a gift, in that it confirms our most sensitive and direct experience of things, an experience that many other traditions try to deny.

The Dharma is a gift.

[Anonymous No.11455827]

>>11455343
I liked that. Any books on this matter?

[Anonymous No.11455887]

>>11454454
>>using the word "loser" seriously on 4chan.org
>taking anything seriously on fourchan dot com

OP, good/bad are subjective, indefinable and meaningless.

The meaningless of everything is itself meaningless.

Everything you say is correct but is not important, because your life is not important, and nothing in it is important.

If you're talking about fiction in your post, I think there's lots of books like that. Most books that just try to depict life without editorialising can obviously be interpreted with whatever philosophy you have in life.

Recommendations: Richard Yates, Carson McCullers, Seneca

[Anonymous No.11456078]

>>11453953
>People seem to shit on pessimism, antinatalism and so on
Antinatalism is an optimistic way of thinking.

[Anonymous No.11456403]

The human brain is an organ just like any other.
In order to keep relative equilibrium and a minimal level of survivability, it has some strange and hard to understand processes. (None of which you are really in control of, no matter how much it seems.) How do you REALLY control your arms, or move your eyes. Do you know the exact positions of every cell, and whether things are opening or moving, or which molecules are where at what given time? No? Those are all very important to actually operating your body, and yet you haven't the slightest idea of how any of it works (pretend you never learned about them through school or science).

As it turns out, the brain seems to enjoy things that wrap up nicely or have meaning: stories, movies, etc. Think about it this way, the brain is operating successfully if it shuts up and does what it "should" be doing. What you find often is the initial realization that everything is meaningless, but after some struggle the protagonist finds something to believe. This is not because it's true, but it's because the mind is subtly no different from your liver or your stomach. Everything is a reaction until equilibrium is reached.

Reality be damned, all life lives in defiance of it. No body and no creature knows the "meaning to life" (99% couldn't even comprehend what it was even if it did exist), but they still live. Evolution is a crapshoot, something that people forget. It's "survival of the good enough", not survival of the fittest.

>>11454720
That contradicts the inherent the objectives of the living organism. Try it, suicide is harder than you think. And just because people have done it doesn't mean that people are free, or act in rational self interest.

Of course, if you try telling people this, they get all pissy. Because some people think that they actual know what thoughts are, and how to produce them. What will your next thought be?

[Anonymous No.11456808]

>>11454073
>>11454084
>my opinions are a sign of maturity and yours are not. discussion over.

[Anonymous No.11456840]

>>11456403

[Anonymous No.11456842]

>>11453953
Because pessimists do not propagate themselves so they have to appear sui generis

[Anonymous No.11456863]

>>11454084
You say that but that's only the people who don't kill themselves, meaning both physical and philosophic suicide

[Anonymous No.11456891]

>>11453998
I think you mean pschiatry but you wouldn’t know that you fucking brainlet

[Anonymous No.11456933]

>>11453998
No fucks given, modern psychology is a joke.

[Anonymous No.11456954]

>>11454067
I'm working on a novel which answers your question, try not to kys before then

[Anonymous No.11456959]

>>11455667
>privileged prince got shell-shocked when he ventured outside of the palace and got exposed to reality for the first time

[Anonymous No.11457733]

>>11453953
How would you determine they are the most accurate compared to other outlooks? What's to say optimism or something else isn't? Just because it appeals to you in the moment means it's correct.

[Anonymous No.11457737]

>>11457733
doesn't mean*

[Anonymous No.11457748]

>>11453998
sorry you're right the reality is you're probably just not a neurotypical and no combination of therapy, self-help books, or medication will make you feel completely content with normie life and a lack of answers to your existential dread and missing purpose

[Anonymous No.11458315]

>>11456959
I mean yes, literally, I don't think anyone would disagree with this statement. That's the whole point of the story - by being kept hidden from the more confronting aspects of reality for so long, he was able to really feel the gravity of them when he was first exposed to them, rather than just ignoring them that most people do.

[Anonymous No.11458987]

>>11453953
you don't know how good you've got it and neither do the pessimistic frauds whose philosophy you're nursing yourself on, just because every door is open to you and you're so complacent and conceited with your position in the world doesn't mean we're all so bored as you are, if you really believe in the trip you're on then when some of your immediate family members drop dead you better not shed any tears, better not react at all, just like Camus' "Stranger," doesn't mean you have to pull a trigger or do yourself in, just means your emotionless acceptance of the futility of life and inevitability of death better hold firm during your mother's wake, don't be a hypocrite and act like it's a meaningful event, don't express any grief, and not because you're holding back to appear more stoic, rather that you simply have no reaction to the foregone conclusion of her's and every other person on Earth's life. That includes satisfied malice, you can't take pleasure, schadenfreude style, in another's demise either. What good is happiness in a pointless existence?

[Anonymous No.11459012]

>>11456959
isn't it funny how these budding young Western academics have interpreted so much Eastern philosophy as being somewhat morose and pessimistic, fixated on the suffering and meaninglessness of life, yet the populations of Eastern countries have been and will continue to be ever-growing, curious that people who believe that life is so meaningless would be so eager to procreate, after all, why introduce a new human to all the anguish and misery that life has to offer? Meanwhile the Western first-world, modern industrial societies, vanguards of progress, have seen populations and birthrates on the decline for generations, wouldn't it seem somebody has the whole scheme of things totally backward?

[Anonymous No.11459049]

>>11453953
It was already covered by most ancient religions, the point, to paraphrase Jordan "Wash Your" Peterson, is to move beyond it, and ascribe meaning to suffering. There is always the door. Epictetus alludes to it often.

>>11453976
>bucko
Top meme

[Anonymous No.11459389]

>>11453953
It's because of the simple fact that people enjoy living, and though knowledge of the world and its inherent ironies and tragedies is good, a fixation upon it does nothing but tire oneself.

[Anonymous No.11459402]

>>11453953
>everything is probably going to be garbage
What do you mean by this? Seems to me the world is getting better tbphwy

[Anonymous No.11459431]

>>11459389
>It's because of the simple fact that people enjoy living
Yeah, if anything I'd say OP has it the wrong way round. I see a lot of writing about how the world is bad and life is bad/meaningless/suffering/dissatisfaction, and strategies to deal with that, and that just doesn't chime with my experience because I very much enjoy living. It also appears to me that most people I meet also, on balance, enjoy their lives- granted they could be faking it, but I don't see any reason to assume that given that I know I'm not.