/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11406903]

How does he keep rising and rising in popularity without being deterred by any obstacle?

[Anonymous No.11406917]

Because he won't do any interviews or debates with credible people.

[Anonymous No.11406923]

They tried to make men into faggots for like 50 straight years and now men are so excoriated of any culture of masculinity that some random guy saying "It's okay to not want to be a little pussy ass bitch" seems like a revolutionary vitalist speaking directly to their soul

That's what happens when you give the reins of culture and government to faggots and women to turn the place into their personal playpen for 2-3 generations straight. Not being men, they have no notions of self-sacrifice or self-discipline, so they do exactly that, and the people who crave initiatic self-destruction start getting weirded out and pent-up full of angercum that there's nothing manly to do anymore.

When there is more actively creative culture coming out of informal collectives of unemployed men making modifications and reskins for "Jedi Knight Academy" 15 years after its commercial release than in massive UN-supported government-funded corporate-backed CULTURE STUDIES departments housed in towering golden spires built expressly to foster creativity, you can pretty much tell where all the potential energy in any given society comes from (hint: it's the ones with the penises)

[Anonymous No.11406934]

>>11406903
He's controlled opposition. They promote him so that young people don't seek out more radical views, like the alt-right and such.

[Anonymous No.11407217]

>>11406934
I know this is anecdotal but Peterson pushed me closer to Nazism than anyone else

[Anonymous No.11407267]

>>11407217
that's probably because you're pathetic and feeble-minded

[Anonymous No.11407418]

>>11406903
You have to understand. Feminists are the biggest recruiters for the alt-right. It's not so much that they feel any particular attraction to alt-right leaders or ideologies, as it is that they are fed up and are seeking change. To the extent that feminists push for a feminized society, to the extent that they promote anti-male propaganda, to the extent, in short, that men are left without any constructive purpose or drive in a society that is hostile to them, there will be push back.

Feminists depend on men to eat their bullshit. It's analogous to the way a sociopathic women controls her rich husband while she sleeps with younger men on the side. Make him believe in you. That's all the lady has to do. Make them believe that gender roles are oppressive, that women are "oppressed," that making a clumsy comment is a form of rape, that men have easy lives, that their masculinity (their inmost essence as men) is either a lie or a pathology, etc, etc. And if he doesn't, blackmail him. Call him a disgusting misogynist. A loser. Etc. This is actually the way you control a population. And as I already said, is analogous to control in a private relationship.

The NYT is a perfect example of this. The reason they won't stop talking about "me too" is because it serves their purpose of control. It keeps men in a state of shame. It makes the weak, diffident, and easily manipulated. It reinforces the idea that there is something wrong with you and your sexuality. Propaganda is simple: men are bad, stupid, aggressive, entitled, arrogant, controlling, worthless etc. And women are angelic, wise, beautiful (no matter what), sensitive, spirited, etc. Any topic, article, or event that serves the purpose of reinforcing this dichotomy is chosen and amplified by the mainstream liberal press. Just look at what the NYT editors decided to exhibit in the Sunday Times. An article about men entering therapy after "me too," basically an effort to expose men as sad, horrible little monsters who treat women like crap.

[Anonymous No.11407433]

>>11407267
Probably, but so is everyone else

[Anonymous No.11407445]

since contemporary philosophers have absolutely no desire to contribute to public discourse, charlatans like peterson will rise to their fifteen minutes again and again

[Anonymous No.11407446]

>>11407418
This. I was left for my entire life. The events of GG and the last 5 years have pushed me to the right. Peterson is unironcially pulling me back leftwards, but I cannot abide by the lunacy of the current day left. SJWs are a cancer who have corrupted all of the institutions in academia and the arts. It's gotten to a point where I almost see awards shows as negative recommendations for novels, since most of them from 2010 onwards are agenda pushing fluff.

[Anonymous No.11407461]

>>11406917
He debated Harris twice and does interviews on an almost weekly basis. I'm not even a Peterson fan but you clearly don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

[Anonymous No.11407466]

>>11406923
>men are so excoriated of any culture of masculinity that some random guy saying "It's okay to not want to be a little pussy ass bitch" seems like a revolutionary vitalist speaking directly to their soul
Specifically because they're a little pussy ass bitch. If they weren't, they wouldn't want not to be and they wouldn't need someone to tell them it's okay.
Petersonfags are just as gay as actual fags.

[Anonymous No.11407474]

>>11407461

he said credible. appearances on h3h3 don't count

[Anonymous No.11407509]

>>11407446
Yeah I'm liberal too. But I'm not going to be blackmailed into being ashamed of my manhood or into believing bullshit. As soon as liberals became obsessed with race, gender etc they lost me. Sure I care about income inequality, environmental collapse, etc. But not at the expense of my dignity. That's why Peterson is doing so well. People are sick of this shit

[Anonymous No.11407522]

>>11406903
he got owned by some faggot from vice lmao

[Anonymous No.11407547]

>>11406903
He’s well versed in psychology and has long form dialogues that appeal to a large demographic where traditional speakers in this format were either not as articulate, didn’t adresss anything of note, or were boring to listen to.

His ideas aren’t revolutionary by any means, but I can’t remember the last person that talked about psychoanalysis and psychology on a large scale in the last 20 years besides him.

[Anonymous No.11407579]

The most prominent philosopher of the past 3 years.

[Anonymous No.11407594]

>>11407466
Can confirm I'm a peterson fan and am literally bisexual.

[Anonymous No.11407604]

>>11407594
Hey man it's cool to find out about your sexuality and stuff lol

[Anonymous No.11407622]

>>11407604
It's not some badge of honor, everyone hates bisexuals.

[Anonymous No.11407635]

>>11407622
Nah man, being bisexual is cool now.

back when I was a kid everyone was bisexual

[Anonymous No.11407648]

>>11406917
>why do you hate women? why do you hate women?why do you hate women?why do you hate women?why do you hate women?why do you hate women?why do you hate women?why do you hate women?why do you hate women?why do you hate women?why do you hate women?why do you hate women?why do you hate women?why do you hate women?why do you hate women?why do you hate women?why do you hate women?why do you hate women?why do you hate women?why do you hate women?why do you hate women?why do you hate women?why do you hate women?why do you hate women? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE - credible people 2018

[Anonymous No.11407670]

>>11407635
Well really it's like being a centrist on the political spectrum. The left hates you for not being left enough and the right hates you for not being right enough.

[Anonymous No.11407678]

>>11407670
Being centrist is cool man. very reasonable people the centrists. we just want peace man.

[Anonymous No.11407679]

because there's a rising number of young white men with daddy issues

[Anonymous No.11407680]

>>11407579
this, he cashed in on boomer-core

[Anonymous No.11407722]

>>11406903
all publicity is good publicity
>>11406917
also this, the guy changed his mind talking to jim jefferies, it's clear that he sees himself as a provocateur and oversteps his own beliefs pretty often

[Anonymous No.11407760]

>>11406923

[Anonymous No.11407783]

>>11407670
I didn’t think gays disliked bisexuals. I thought it’s more straight people inclined to hate all non-straights who will hate gays and bis alike, and maybe be more dismissive of bis because “bisexual people don’t really exist” and “they’re just straight degenerates who decided to fuck around with people of their own gender to seem cool/because they’re sexually degenerate until they’ve convinced themselves they’re attracted to both sexes”.

[Anonymous No.11407801]

>>11407783
I dunno, I'm personally attracted to both genders. Though to be honest I'm attracted to more feminine people from both genders. It's really how the person acts and presents themselves that's attractive rather than what holes they have.

[Anonymous No.11407818]

>>11406923
This

[Anonymous No.11407829]

because the left is in complete disarray and can't come up with the counterargument of "hey bro you're just fucking wrong about postmodernists and marxist being the same thing"

[Anonymous No.11407831]

>>11407801
I deleted my post because I did some curious googling and found out that some homos will dislike bis for not just going fully gay just like straight people are wary of bisexual people as just promiscuous hedonists.

[Anonymous No.11407857]

>>11407461
>>>/pol/

christ, that made me lose an IQ point

[Anonymous No.11407865]

>>11407547
clinical psychology is not philosophy

[Anonymous No.11407919]

>>11407509
Tbh, there's a cultural and political shift that Trump is riding. The most unlikely candidate to understand and work with this change. Ironically his efforts are fairly moderate unless you really care about Mexicans coming over illegally to be indentured servants of the elite.

[Anonymous No.11408024]

>>11407919
do you not?

[Anonymous No.11408046]

>>11407857
Well when your IQ is already in the 80s what the hell difference does it make if you lose another point or two.

[Anonymous No.11408056]

>>11408046
i don't know, you tell me, but I like my brain, thanks.

[Anonymous No.11408081]

>>11407829
What else is needed other than someone being fucking wrong?

[Anonymous No.11408124]

>>11407461
fuckin lmao at sam harris being anything other than jordan peterson tier embaressing

[Anonymous No.11408130]

>>11408024
I do care, they have to go back

[Anonymous No.11408152]

>>11406917
You mean he hasn't talked with / been interviewed by people you like specifically. He does nothing but interviews and debates my guy.

The real reason he is so popular? He a centre right theistic Canadian professor of psychology. He is no way controversial to normal people, only to those very far outside the overton window.

[Anonymous No.11408163]

>>11408081
But he isn't wrong , he is talking specifically about a syncretic position between neo-marxism and post modernism.

Fucks sake stop reading Vice or Salon, or listening to Chapo fag house

[Anonymous No.11408170]

>>11408124
Better than Zizek or chomsky at least

[Anonymous No.11408188]

>>11408170
No, man. Just no.

[Anonymous No.11408195]

>>11407829
I've never heard him say that they're the same thing, what I've heard him say is that there is such a group of people that are both postmodernists and marxists.

[Anonymous No.11408197]

>>11408188
just being silent puts you far ahead of zizek and chomskom

[Anonymous No.11408202]

>>11406903
Because he’s right

[Anonymous No.11408210]

>>11408188
I mean, they're memes like Sam Harris so uh yeah man. Yeah

[Anonymous No.11408239]

>>11408210
They might be memes and they might be 'wrong', but they read and write intellectual books. Sammy doesn't really do that.

[Anonymous No.11408244]

>>11406903
TEH

JEW

S

[Anonymous No.11408250]

>>11406923
Quek, Peterson is a promoter of the domesticated man and the very structures that imprison him

[Anonymous No.11408261]

Does he debated an actual real academic philosopher? Those destroy any of these meme intellectuals like Dawkins and other millennial idols.

[Anonymous No.11408270]

>>11408163
>>11408195
https://youtu.be/0VwG6oaFxJs
Literally says that postmodernism is nested in Marxism

[Anonymous No.11408279]

>>11408261
>actual real academic philosopher

[Anonymous No.11408286]

>>11408279
Yeah, not Zizek or other social media hack.

[Anonymous No.11408289]

>>11408270
Post-modernism is indeed a reaction to the (perceived) failure of the marxist project and an adoption/reintegration of free market principles.

[Anonymous No.11408296]

>>11408286
>real academic philosopher
>not Zizek or other social media hack
What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.11408302]

>>11408289
>) failure of the marxist project
failure of the various strains of modernism. The whole intersectional fuck yt idea is basically a Modernist narrative though, so i think we are not in PoMo anymore.

Did any of the pomos actually have the balls to be fully pomo? Like do we have a critique of anti-Nazi literature that identifies the power structures created by the Allied victory and the way it influences discourse on Hitler

[Anonymous No.11408303]

>>11408289
no it isn't, post modernism directly rejects grand narratives, and the frankfurt school (THE marxists) disagree with postmodernist. It's not like you can evolve and be completely different or be reborn from an ideology that isn't even dead yet

[Anonymous No.11408322]

>>11408303
That is the purported mission statement, but geneaologically primarily stem from disillusionment with the soviet union etc.
>>11408302
Well no, the dominant mode is still post-modern, though we are indeed experiencing the emergence of whatever comes next

[Anonymous No.11408337]

>>11406903
He offers fake solutions to some real problems. Foolish people feel there's something wrong and he capitalizes on their ignorance. A friend shared with me a new Peterson video where he compares the current YouTube podcast era to Gutenberg's use of the printing press, the difference being, he says, that the current event is bigger because it's not clear how many people can/could read and participate in Gutenberg's revolution, while pretty much everyone can listen to a podcast. This partially explains Peterson and Co's popularity and also guarantees they're by definition pop intellectuals for the average man that cannot and factually don't offer anything that an intelligent person should spend time on. If it were different, Peterson would be like the printing press and would find little understanding and see little popularity. It's a testament to the absolute state of /lit/ that you have people here who seem to unironically consider his stuff valuable. It's perhaps due to the invasion of non-readers, who, if they read, would immediately recognize how grand of a charlatan Peterson is.

[Anonymous No.11408359]

>>11408296
But Zizek is a Land tier meme my guy

[Anonymous No.11408374]

>>11408359
That doesn't mean he can't be a "real academic philosopher". Also just lmao @ thinking oration and rhetoric are required to be a good philosopher.

[Anonymous No.11408445]

>>11408210
no, Chomsky has actually accomplished something

[Anonymous No.11408489]

>>11408337
/lit/ is nonreaders. The new posters are the ones who want to/are getting into reading and are clutching their sides in hysterics watching tankies flip the apple cart because Dr. Chad Daddy is teaching people how to reintroduce soul and meaning into their lives under boogeycapitalism, and they're upset because they said capitalism is inherently soulless which is why we need to Progress(tm). It's the tankies and limp wrists making these stupid thread trying to deride a Canadian psychologist in an echo-chamber to all their likeminded friends, it's the New Youth that are actually reading classic lit because they don't waste their time creating off-topic threads. You all became a parody of yourselves, and you better make way for the wave of new sincerity, or risk being caught on the wrong side of history.

[Anonymous No.11408511]

>>11408489
>nuh uh, you are the ones that don’t read!
Some comeback

[javascript:quote('4942612');(...) No.11408528]

>>11408445
He consistently leaves his domain to spew shitty opinions.

[javascript:quote('4942612');(...) No.11408540]

>>11408511
Did you read anything he said

[Anonymous No.11408575]

because he's a fairly charismatic reactionary speaking to a dominant demographic that is scared of losing their dominance

we've come to the point in globalized capitalism where the most active (but useless and pathetic) political movements are not from the disenfranchised but actually the enfranchised who are afraid of losing their privileges

every major political movement in the West in the 21st century follows this pattern, from Occupy to the Tea Party to the alt-right, it's basically all middle-class white people who are desperately seeking answers to shifting power dynamics

so along comes a bunch of people who are good public speakers, and they over-simplify the issue, and greatly exaggerate the reaction needed, and people who have no historical consciousness think that they are geniuses

pro tip: the left has these figures as well but they tend to be more intellectual and less charismatic, for better or worse

[Anonymous No.11408578]

>>11408528
nobody's perfect

[Anonymous No.11408594]

>>11407604
Would someone be so kind as to explain this meme to me? lurking has had no effect.

[Anonymous No.11408597]

>>11408578
Leonardo da Vinci was pretty perfect. Jesus was not bad as well

[Anonymous No.11408601]

>>11408489
>Dr. Chad Daddy is teaching people how to reintroduce soul and meaning into their lives under boogeycapitalism

yeah, poorly. More like he said some stuff /pol/ liked to hear one time and their hivemind latched on.

[Anonymous No.11408607]

>>11408489
Also he didn't go teach at Harvard because their standards are too rigorous kek

>>11408597
sure

[Anonymous No.11408611]

>>11408601
pol hates peterson. None of the people shitting on pol here have ever actually been there have they

[Anonymous No.11408619]

>>11408611
they do now after he failed the JQ. Doesn't keep people from splintering off with his cancer however :(

[Anonymous No.11408632]

>>11408619
i never found peterson's esoteric boomerism interesting at all. It was entertaining watching mr free speech man refuse to talk about something though.

[Anonymous No.11409630]

>>11407461
Perfect bait.

[Anonymous No.11409665]

>>11408632
What did he refuse to talk about? Not disagreeing just curious

[Anonymous No.11409848]

>>11406917
He'll literally do any interview or debate he's offered, what "credible people" are you waiting for him to debate?

[Anonymous No.11410039]

>>11406923

Yikes.

[Anonymous No.11410059]

>all these Americans misusing left

You're not left. There is no American left. If you're not antifa, anarchist (not "ancap" which is retarded), or communist you're not left. You're right though you are liberals. Capitalist supporting cuckold liberals. Pathetic. Learn what words mean and stop parroting moronic right bullshit.

[Anonymous No.11411116]

>>11408046
ebic burn :p

[Anonymous No.11411245]

>>11407446
I’m glad here in Moldova the left is still completely sane: against immmigration and feminism bullshit; just workers rights solidarity

[Anonymous No.11411269]

Will he inspire a new wave of red-pilled lit? I can only hope so.

[Anonymous No.11411276]

>>11408170
Please try refuting these guys.

[Anonymous No.11411280]

>>11406917
>Literally 50 thousand hours of clinical experience.
>Literally thousands of hours of his lectures online.
>Literally wrote the book on the mechanistic relationship between the subconscious and the conscious in respect to archetypical narratives.
>Has given lectures and held open discussions at Oxford and Harvard.
Etc.

You people are fucking embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.11411283]

>>11410059
Progressive liberals are part of the left, since, you know, progressive liberalism is older than marxism and was originally on the left side of the french assembly.

[Anonymous No.11411289]

>>11411276
there dweebs

[Anonymous No.11411298]

>>11406923
>unemployed men making modifications and reskins for "Jedi Knight Academy" 15 years after its commercial release

Sounds like you know exactly what pussy faggots spend their day doing

[Anonymous No.11411310]

>>11406903
Unironically jews

[Anonymous No.11411326]

>>11411280
Wasn't Cenk Uygur and Mehdi Hassan invited to one of those Oxford events too?
His book (which he wrote in like 12 fucking years) is retarded; you can't approach mythology from a Jungian perspective and call it exhaustive when it is one of the most active fields of historical and philosophical investigation. What most of these boil down to is that myth is not mechanical, and to lose the form for the content of myth is to fall into myth anew (as is the case with Freud when he introduced the oedipal myth as being primary). He doesn't know jackshit and his credentials are not enough of a measure (like wtf does his clinical experience matter to 90% of the shit he says? Perhaps it's relevant as self-help because essentially that is his job, he's not even a doctor like Dr. Sigmund Shlomo Freud.

[Anonymous No.11411331]

>>11411283
>was originally on the left side of the french assembly.

Pretty much the entire spectrum of American politics was on the left side of the French assembly. Everything from liberals to hardcore ancaps were considered leftists

[Anonymous No.11411351]

>>11411331
No.
Anyone who was for the execution of the king and the revolution sat on the left, everyone on against the revolution and for the king were seated on the right side.
This is more or less it. Progressivism and conservatism isn't enough of a distinction here since conservatives of that day believed in reform but not revolution.
Now, the so-called central left believes in reform but mot revolution. Revolution, they argue, would be too messy. They would have been right wing conservatives if they lives in Revolutionary France.
Stop saying stupid shit, btw.

[Anonymous No.11411361]

>>11411351
>They would have been right wing conservatives if they lives in Revolutionary France.

In the following years, the reformers (the Girondists) were considered centre left. The people who wanted the king killed were on the far left.

When radical capitalist advocates like Bastiat and his student Molinari (our ancap of today) came into being in the mid 1800s, they were seen as centre left

[Anonymous No.11411402]

>>11411326
Well, why dont you try reading, say, man and his symbols.

Then you can come back and espouse your ignorant retardation with some level of articulate understanding. Because as someone who had read maybe 5% the literary canon that he has, being a professional psychological scientist, even I can say definitively, with authority, that you have certainly not even attempted to educate yourself on any of the subjects he tackles.

[Anonymous No.11411495]

>>11406903
BECAUSE YOU CANT CONTROL THE FIRE, BUCKO, IN FACT ITS ACTUALLY RISING

[Anonymous No.11411527]

>>11411402
>psychological scientist
is this what you tell yourself bucko

[Anonymous No.11411612]

>>11407445
Why should they when it's only polemic Charletons who make the most noise that fulfill the media's desired clickbait fodder

>Danny Dyer said this thing and imma be screaming y'all!

[Anonymous No.11411621]

>>11411326
All his academic publishing deals primarily with clinical studies of alcoholism. I don't mind Peterson but he's a shameless self promotor

[Anonymous No.11411641]

>>11406903
Jung wrote at least a dozen books on his clinical experience including his own reconstruction of his psychic break; not a light nor easily dismissed perspective and people limit themselves when they associate him with marketing shills. The man is worth studying even though few academic paychecks are written off of his literature (like Sartre, Camus, de Beauvoir, etc.)... Anyway,

Despite his faults, including a very weak approach to post-modern literature, he is expressing a pretty strongly oppressed message of fundamental critique to the bastardized embodiment of continental philosophy called Social Justice Warrior "philosophy"

Except that's not enough to justify his ascension. His message is needed. A lot of undergraduates take the "warrior" term a bit too intensely without being slightly intellectual. (As Zizek says, "before you act, think"). He's pointing out the mindlessness of these youths and the adolescent outrage they funnel into mass media (via social media).

He's also a conduit of Jung, so, even if you think it's cooky, it provides a coherent worldview if taken in its full depth. Intellectually, I'd prefer if he pushed this mode forward and explored what archetypes in light of the post-modern diagnostic materials (which is what they are, really; they're not a call to action nor "warriors").

There's also a kernel of value in just posing the question to the trans person: is this decision a healthy decision? It's not an easy choice, though it may be the right choice. Any good person who cares for another would owe it to them to pose the question of the intention of this decision, though, because according to him (which I'm not sure of), the literature expresses the aforementioned correlation of being trans and having mental health issues. The chicken or the egg is obviously not fully understood, though.


Overall, balance Peterson with Zizek (both social conservatives in temperament) and you have a perfect worldview.

[Anonymous No.11411648]

>>11407865
He didn't say it was?

[Anonymous No.11411654]

>>11411495
trolls will troll. Hey imagine if the Tibetans finally took back their desecrated symbol?

[Anonymous No.11411655]

>>11406903

Intersectionality is holding the left back immensely. Peterson capitalizes on this.

[Anonymous No.11411662]

>>11408152
Why do people call him "right"? On what political topics are his stances right?

[Anonymous No.11411717]

[Anonymous No.11411728]

>>11411717
I swear, Peterson pays these people to stand out front holding the signs just so he has something to talk about.

[Anonymous No.11411730]

>>11411728
and russia hacked the election

[Anonymous No.11411737]

>>11411662
He's against using some pronouns, placing him firmly on the far-right.

[Anonymous No.11411741]

>>11411730
If Soros can pay people to false-flag protest, Peterson can.

[Anonymous No.11411742]

>>11411662

he's a straight white male, placing him firmly on the far-right

[Anonymous No.11411745]

>>11411741
ask me how i know you listen to chapo trap house

[Anonymous No.11411746]

>>11408046
>insert le OOOO nigga .gif here

[Anonymous No.11411751]

Jordan "Netflix TV shows are on the same level of complexity as great literature" Peterson

[Anonymous No.11411757]

>>11411751

[Anonymous No.11411761]

>>11406903
His biggest enemy is a bit of common sense and logic, but most people lack it so...

[Anonymous No.11411762]

FEAR THE INTELLECTUAL DARK WEB

[Anonymous No.11411771]

>>11411757
But he did say that. Your iphone screenshot proves nothing except that you're triggered by the truth.

[Anonymous No.11411777]

>>11411771
Just like he said that women shouldn't be allowed to wear make-up in the workplace, am I right?

[Anonymous No.11411778]

Here’s some advice for all the commies on /lit/: your constant ridiculous transparent slandering about Peterson is backfiring hard. Everybody sees right through it. Just delete /lit/, it’s become a /leftypol/ and reddit dumping ground.

[Anonymous No.11411788]

>>11411771
XD that rightist sure was TRIGGERED! Conservatards are the real SNOWFLAKES! The right can’t MEME! Did we hurt the little Drumpfy’s FEE FEES XD!

[Anonymous No.11411791]

>>11406903
critical thinking is at an all time low, he basically started a cult based on stupid youtube videos and debates with people outside of the field of his alleged "expertise" (he's really just a psychologist, not a philosopher at all)

[Anonymous No.11411792]

>>11411745
how?

[Anonymous No.11411793]

>>11411777
>"But then Netflix came along, and HBO aswell, with bandwiths constrictions gone... and all of a sudden it turned out that no no, we can handle 40 hour complex multilayered narratives where the characters shift, where the complexities start to reach the same complexities as great literature, and there is a massive market for it"
Literal quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xc7DN-noAc&t=430s at 7:09, now go ahead and ignore this and reply with a yet another subject switching iphone screenshot

[Anonymous No.11411795]

>>11411771
>phoneposters am i right fellow 4channers or am i right

[Anonymous No.11411797]

>>11411792
do you?

[Anonymous No.11411805]

>>11411793
>something like breaking bad isnt as complex plotwise as say jane eyre
Is he wrong?

[Anonymous No.11411808]

>>11411778
>Here’s some advice for all the commies on /lit/: your constant ridiculous transparent slandering about Peterson is backfiring hard. Everybody sees right through it. Just delete /lit/, it’s become a /leftypol/ and reddit dumping ground.
Maybe anyone smart enough to be interested in literature is smart enough to be a Communist.

[Anonymous No.11411811]

>>11406923
Yep, Jedi Academy was a mighty fine game.

[Anonymous No.11411813]

>>11411805
B-B-B-B-B-BONFIRE

[Anonymous No.11411825]

>>11411808
Yes, comrade! That’s what I’ve been saying all along! Us englightened socíalistas are just vastly more intelligent than the alt-reich reactionaries. Shakespeare was a Black woman! It will work this time, I know it will! Viva la Révolucion, comrade, viva!

[Anonymous No.11411828]

>>11406903
The internet forms enclaves where someone is predominantly exposed to almost identical ideas which serves as a confirmation that what they are learning must be true.
Someone watches a video, likes it, then all of a sudden their feed is inundated with similar crap. And the comments are all cancer.
It's not just happening with JP fanboys, it's an epidemic all thanks to websites that are begging to retain their consumer's attention... I guess the algorithm has determined that these enclaves are what most people truly desire.
People don't want their ideas challenged, they want them reaffirmed.

[Anonymous No.11411830]

>>11411813
Is he wrong?

[Anonymous No.11411833]

>>11411825
>Us englightened socíalistas are just vastly more intelligent than the alt-reich reactionaries.
We are.

>Shakespeare was a Black woman!
This is why. Rightists have no response to the materialist critique of their ideology.

[Anonymous No.11411837]

>>11411833
Viva, comrade!

[Anonymous No.11411840]

>>11411793
The context for that quote is that the visual medium originally had limitations that books did not which are now breaking down because it's possible to construct narratives of similar scope and complexity. Also, note that he is saying 'starting to reach' as opposed to 'have reached'. It's obviously a statement about the general trend of narrative complexity in the visual medium, rather than a conflation of Netflix and the highest heights reached in a aeon-old literary tradition.

Are you really desperate enough to go looking for situations where Peterson isn't using precise enough wording and interpret him in the most uncharitable, retarded way imaginable in order to ((refute)) him? There is plenty of material to talk about if you actually understand what he is arguing for. This is the same shit the left pulled with Trump. Throwing hissy fits about his orange skin, small hands, dubious stories about piss orgies with russian hookers and grab her by the pussy just shows that you are incapable of engaging with the people you disagree with on an intellectual level, regardless how how low the bar is set.

[Anonymous No.11411846]

>>11411808
>>11411833
All great works of literature were written by men who were they alive today you would call fascists.

[Anonymous No.11411848]

>>11411793
The context for that quote is that the visual medium originally had limitations that books did not which are now breaking down because it's possible to construct narratives of similar scope and complexity. Also, note that he is saying 'starting to reach' as opposed to 'have reached'. It's obviously a statement about the general trend of narrative complexity in the visual medium, rather than a conflation of Netflix and the highest heights reached in an aeon-old literary tradition.

Are you really desperate enough to go looking for situations where Peterson isn't using precise enough wording and interpret him in the most uncharitable, retarded way imaginable in order to ((refute)) him? There is plenty of material to talk about if you actually understand what he is arguing for. This is the same shit the left pulled with Trump. Throwing hissy fits about his orange skin, small hands, dubious stories about piss orgies with russian hookers and grab her by the pussy just shows that you are incapable of engaging with the people you disagree with on an intellectual level, regardless of how low the bar is set.

[Anonymous No.11411854]

>>11411797
No, I am another anon, I just wanna now how

[Anonymous No.11411855]

>>11411846
Yet we've continued to move leftward since the Enlightenment, and almost every intellectual worth anything was left-wing for their time. We'll continue to move left until true Communism is realized.

[Anonymous No.11411857]

>>11411854
feminine intuition

[Anonymous No.11411858]

Friendly reminder that one of the books on Peterson's "great works" list is One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest, which is one of the classic postmodernist novels.

[Anonymous No.11411863]

>>11411855
Yes, comrade! It will work this time! We just need to give it one more try! The imperialist pigs won’t stand in our way any longer! Viva!

[Anonymous No.11411866]

>>11411855
Based and redpilled.

[Anonymous No.11411869]

>>11411840
>The context for that quote is that the visual medium originally had limitations that books did not which are now breaking down because it's possible to construct narratives of similar scope and complexity.
And I fundamentally disagree with that quote, especially if you are talking about TV shows, not film. TV shows is just an inferior form of a visual medium in every way, having twelve seasons of a certain show doesn't mean it is becoming more and more complex, more than often it's literally the opposite, it get's more and more repetitive and simple, with every single filmmaking element dissapearing except the writing of the characters, which also turns into brainless plot point twist galore.

TV shows are not even close in "starting to reach" the complexity of great films, let alone great literature, that is just an absurd implication no matter how you put it. Put a Netflix casual viewer infront of an actual worthwhile film and he'll be checking his phone in 5 minutes.

[Anonymous No.11411871]

>>11411869
>>11411848

[Anonymous No.11411874]

>>11411863
>one more try
There is no "try". The Communist mode of production is an inevitable state of affairs brought about by historical necessity through the development of the material forces of production. Existing Communist states were all quite literally Not Communist - they were state capitalist, as most engaged in international trade at the very least, which is by definition a form of production for exchange, so profit still existed. Not Communist.

[Anonymous No.11411875]

>>11411855

America is electing socialists who desire to use Venezuela as a template, as per her direct campaign promise. '

Good luck with that "utopia".

[Anonymous No.11411882]

>>11411858
Most of /lit/ agrees that Peterson is not actually anti-postmodernism. He's in a bit of an intellectual bubble in terms of the kind of literature on pomo he has read (explaining postmodernism, the master and his emissary, Enlightenment now).

[Anonymous No.11411883]

>>11411875
Chavismo is state capitalist and third-worldist, both are errors. Communism will mostly likely exist in a 100% automated society where extraction of surplus value from labor becomes impossible, thus profit becomes impossible by definition.

[Anonymous No.11411884]

>>11411874
Yes, comrade! It wasn’t real communism! Viva!

Reported for being underage. Lay off the communist subreddits and focus on graduating.

[Anonymous No.11411885]

>>11411874
We have evolved to only care about the people we grew up around, our family or tribes, it is human nature - so good luck changing that.
There is no incentive to overcoming our greedy and selfish nature, how are you going to incentivise compassion and working for complete strangers?
Further, how are you going to dissuade people from taking advantage of these kind strangers?

[Anonymous No.11411888]

>>11411883
Viva la Révolucion, comrade! It wasn’t real communism!

[Anonymous No.11411898]

>>11411885
First of all, human nature is a social construct. We could just as well construct a new verison of "human nature" in line with the Communist form of social organization.

>There is no incentive to overcoming our greedy and selfish nature, how are you going to incentivise compassion and working for complete strangers?
No one is going to work under Communism because there will be no reason to do so - their labor will be useless. Communist society will most likely be managed by artificial intelligences taking the place of governments, removing the possibility of hierarchy, private property, etc.

[Anonymous No.11411904]

>>11411898
Jesus Christ.

[Anonymous No.11411906]

>>11411898
If it's a social construct, then how come it was prevalent for millions of years everywhere in the world?

[Anonymous No.11411907]

>>11406903
Haven't been on /lit/ for awhile. Who is this?

[Anonymous No.11411908]

>>11411898
>First of all, human nature is a social construct.
It's a biological reality mediated by particular cultures

[Anonymous No.11411911]

>>11411907
The Saviour of Western Civilization

[Anonymous No.11411912]

>>11411898
Imagine a network of tribal societies who live off of gathering on a hyper-abundant plot of land, who never engage in war, raise all children in common, and so on. This is Communism, except instead the productive forces developed in the capitalist phase of history will meet human needs automatically.

>>11411906
(Lack of) technological development, scarcity, historical necessity, etc.

[Anonymous No.11411913]

>>11411527
uneducated faggot.

[Anonymous No.11411915]

>>11406903
the kikes forcing him to popularity

[Anonymous No.11411917]

>>11411898
>human nature is a social construct
then how come I know you will die

[Anonymous No.11411921]

>>11411917
Aging is not a behavior.

[Anonymous No.11411922]

>>11411795
Phoneniggers should really kill themselves in all seriousness.

[Anonymous No.11411923]

>>11411898
embarrassing

[Anonymous No.11411940]

>>11411898
>literally wanting the Sibyl System

[Anonymous No.11411944]

>>11411869
A good Netflix adaptation of a work of literature can bring across much greater levels of complexity than a movie of the same quality. Sure, if you weigh up the accomplishments of Netflix against the classics of movie history, most of it is hot garbage, but compared with the box office trash that's in theatres 99% of the time, or if we compare the former mainstream (sitcoms, soap operas, thrillers, medical dramas) to the current mainstream, it's still more than just one step up in terms of narrative and character complexity.

[Anonymous No.11411950]

>Peterson says that right wingers go too far when they advocate for racial purity
>his good friend Ben Shapiro advocates racial purity for Israel
>Peterson continues to associate with this racial supremacist

[Anonymous No.11411957]

>>11411940
It's happening whether you want it or not.

[Anonymous No.11411958]

>>11411950
>because I disagree with my friend about smth we should stop being friends
you are a very lonely person, aren't you

[Anonymous No.11411962]

>>11411793
DEEP

[Anonymous No.11411973]

>>11411944
What you are essentially arguing for is that longer = better, which is absurd. Is a book automatically better if it has two thousand pages? And there are longer films also, Tarr's Satantango is 7 and a half hours long, which also doesn't make it automatically the best storytelling the visual medium has ever seen.
And practically every single Netflix TV show is driven by producers first and foremost, it's barely an artistic medium at all.

[Anonymous No.11411974]

>>11411950
It's alright to advocate for a certain level of control over your societies cultural paradigm and control immigration on those grounds, as long as you recognize that this must not be conflated with wanting racial purity.
As a European I'm confident that if the refugees we got shared our cultural conventions, they would be integrated into our society in a flash, and no one other than actual racists would give a damn, until we ran into logistical problems.

[Anonymous No.11411978]

>>11411874
They were trying to transition the country to a communist economy though. And no one has any idea how you could ever do that without state capitalism and coercion, or without the state collapsing, and that's the problem.

[Anonymous No.11411989]

>>11411874
>The Communist mode of production is an inevitable state of affairs brought about by historical necessity through the development of the material forces of production
so said Marx without any actual evidence for this statement. It was a prediction which has yet to come true.

[Anonymous No.11411990]

>>11411978
As I see it, trying to have a Revolution is pointless. Communism will be realized under conditions of extreme abundance, when profit becomes impossible due to automation, bourgeois social forms are broken down by capitalism, a Sibyl-esque system like >>11411940 mentioned prevents hierarchy formation, border enforcement, or other bourgeois ideologies, and so on. AI will move in this direction soon.

[Anonymous No.11411991]

>>11411973
>What you are essentially arguing for is that longer = better
I made the comparison to long-running TV-shows precisely to make it clear that that's not what I'm arguing for. It is true that longer = more room for complexity, though obviously the people responsible are competent enough to benefit from that is a different story.

[Anonymous No.11411997]

>>11408337
>they're by definition pop intellectual

Because they're popular? Has /lit/ always been this shit?

[Anonymous No.11411999]

>>11411990
>AI will move in this direction soon.
For example, AIs are already being trained to reject racism. Things like social credit systems will be used to train people out of bourgeois social forms. At first this will be done for the sake of profit maximization, but will continue even when profit becomes impossible.

[Anonymous No.11412004]

>>11411997
His cortex shouldn't have folds if it's being stretched due to the air inflation.

[Anonymous No.11412017]

>>11412004

[Anonymous No.11412026]

>>11406903
Because the people against him are idiots. And that is not an endorsement for Peterson but a condemnation of the people against him.

I'm still baffled that nobody has really gone after him for just how weird the shit he attaches to reasonable points is. Most of his stuff isn't groundbreaking or new but has so much stuff layered on it that it circles around into stupid shit. Over complicating simple advice and rules to live by into this bizarre, I want to be an intellectual thinker nonsense.

I'm not surprised that Joe Rogan is one of his biggest proponents. The man who can talk for an hour in a fucking circular logic about how open minded he is compared to other people, deep dive into quasi science bullshit that over complicates shit, but got angrily defense when given the simple concept of, scientific fact is more of a hypothesis based on previous results than actual fact.

[Anonymous No.11412028]

>>11412017

[Anonymous No.11412059]

>>11411793
>Breaking Bad
>not Sopranos

watch it, jordy

[Anonymous No.11412076]

>>11406923
>they

[Anonymous No.11412099]

>>11411999
AIs just find proxies for race instead when they aren't allowed to select directly for race. Where are you filling your brain with all this drivel? Also social credit system being anything but a horrifying method of control being implemented by one of the most authoritarian states in the world is laughable.

[Anonymous No.11412109]

>>11412099
Communism tends to sound scary to most. Nonetheless, it'll be here eventually.

[Anonymous No.11412111]

>>11412109
are you lust larping as a communist boogieman?

[Anonymous No.11412115]

>>11412111
Not at all. Besides, nothing I do will have any impact on whether or not Communism becomes reality.

[Anonymous No.11412121]

>>11412109
>it'll be here eventually.
according the unsubstantiated ramblings of a self-hating german jew 150 years ago

what an excellent method of forecasting the future

[Anonymous No.11412123]

>>11412115
>muh dialectic of history
the owl of Minerva spreads its wings only with the falling of the dusk. philosophy can't divine the future, faggot.

[Anonymous No.11412129]

>>11406903
He has truth on his side, and if you are armed with truth you do not need to not fear anything.

[Anonymous No.11412135]

>>11412121
They aren't unsubstantiated any more than any other scientific theory. Marx's writings are the most accurate work ever produced on political economy.

[Anonymous No.11412152]

>>11406903
I don't care for anyone's political views, but this man is a humiliating joke because he can't string two coherent sentences together. I legitimately felt repulsed by some of the texts I've read by him and not because of the content but because of the style and structure.

[Anonymous No.11412155]

>>11412135
It's not science at all, it has no predictive value. you guys just keep saying 'in the future it will happen', there has been no confirmation

A normal scientific theory tests its predictions, then sees if they happened.

[Anonymous No.11412307]

>>11411741

Different tiers. Soros wouldn't "pay people to false flag protest"
he'd own a corporation that would hire a lawyer to employ a firm to do it.

And if Peterson did it he would be caught

[Anonymous No.11412335]

>>11406917
196 replies and no one has provided an example for "credible people"

[Anonymous No.11412389]

>>11411326
>what does 50,000 hours of clinical study of real people in a personal environment have to do with understanding the psychology of belief
Fuck off retard.

[Anonymous No.11412650]

>>11412389
t. Peterson

[Anonymous No.11412696]

>>11411913
angry petersonite!

[Anonymous No.11412737]

>>11411793

>intellectual dark web

HAHAHAHAHA, oh my god. Is this to the late 10's what "the four horsemen" were to the late 00's? Fuck that is gay.

>independent voices because we're not beholden to corporate masters

100.000 USD per month on patreon by the generation of greasy neckbeards that replaced the fedora subtype of neckbeards, sure Jordan, you have no special interests, you're independent.

[Anonymous No.11412745]

>>11411830

Yes.

[Anonymous No.11412764]

>>11412737

pfffffHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.11413536]

>>11412737
>>>/r/eddit

[Anonymous No.11413551]

>>11408601
>t. never listened to a word of peterson or even been on /pol/

[Anonymous No.11413557]

>>11412152
Try harder, /leftypol/.

[Anonymous No.11413564]

>>11406923
>pirates Jedi academy

[Anonymous No.11413572]

>>11412764
>>11411762

[Anonymous No.11413573]

>>11411793
He is correct, it is not his fault that you ascribe inherent value to increasing complexity.

[Anonymous No.11413586]

>>11413536

Yeah, I think there is a Jordan Peterson page on reddit (just checked it - 67k users) and he did an AMA there, maybe all the Petersonfags should stay where they belong.

[Anonymous No.11413591]

>>11412764
I'm going to find out who coined this term and slap them for calling JOE ROGAN as an intellectual

[Anonymous No.11413624]

>>11406917
Fuckboi couldn’t even keep up with David Benatar

[Anonymous No.11413764]

>>11413586
What’s your reddit username?

[Anonymous No.11413801]

>>11413764

xXx_OrderFromChaos420L1NK1NP4RK_xXx.

I have more than 1000 upvotes on the Jordan Peterson subreddit alone.

[Anonymous No.11414426]

>>11413591
of the dark web ahem