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11353061 No.11353061 [Reply] [Original]

How do Pynchon readers feel about this one? More curious in the seasoned Pynchon reader's response too, which I am myself, and not the opinion of faggot non-readers who picked it up and got through half after seeing it on the easy side of a /lit/ chart.

>> No.11353079

it's a lot of fun

>> No.11353087

>>11353061
Inherent Vice is a fun read, but if you pick it up looking for the challenge or complexity of his earlier works you'll be disappointed.

Just read it faggot, you have nothing better to do anyways.

>> No.11353105

I like it a lot, and it's where I tell anyone who wants to check out Pynchon to start. I think people who suggest V. are literally retarded. Crying is probably fine.

>> No.11353114

>>11353087
I've read about a third but have stalled out, largely because I am looking for the challenge and complexity you mentioned. Liked Vineland more to this point, but maybe it's too much in the same vein as that which has caused me to put it down.

>> No.11353199

>>11353114
What is wrong with Vineland, btw? Why is it considered the weakest pynchon novel?

>> No.11353817

if I'm exactly the guy described in the second part of your post and I find it somewhat difficult (I don't really have trouble understanding it, i just read it very slowly) how fucked am I?

at least I'm 70% through and actually plan on finishing it

>> No.11353822

>>11353105
>tfw trying to read V as my first pynchon

There are some really good parts but chapter 3 got kinda tedious and idk maybe pynchon is just too quirky for me

>> No.11353930

>>11353817
That's normal. Someday you'll read Gravity's Rainbow and you'll be reading even slower and understanding even less but that's part of the experience, just enjoy the Pynchon ride man.

>> No.11353940

I really like the cover on this, who did it?

>> No.11353954

>>11353930
thanks anon

>> No.11354049

>>11353061
The movie was good

>> No.11354084

It has Pynchons funniest dialogue IMO.

>> No.11354243

>>11353199
Because it was the first Pynchon book in like 20 years and all the boomers were expecting a magnum magnum opus. Only boomers hate on Vineland.

>> No.11354302

>>11353105
I agree that IV is the best Pynchon to start with. It's really easy to read and instantly rewarding. I read it first and it really made me want to check out his other stuff.

>> No.11354309

Blew through this in a day. Really gave a sense of time and place, a nice grimy aesthetic.

Far out.

Pynchon sucks at writing sex though.

>> No.11354318

>>11354309
>Pynchon sucks at writing sex though.
Not when its for comic relief.

>> No.11355145

>>11354318
>hurr memer dat tyme da guy poot hees leyps rown a toird pwetendeing eeeet wirz a carck

>> No.11355154

>>11355145
yep, that's not really a sex scene...

>> No.11355164

The movie did the book perfectly. Watched it 3 times before I got the book. I ended up not finishing the book because it was so familiar.

>> No.11355673

>>11355164
The ending of the book is actually one of the best parts (and it's not in the movie).
I felt like the movie has a bigger emphasis on doc's relation to shasta than the book has.
I prefer the book but both are great.

>> No.11355822

>>11355673
People say the Vegas stuff is great too, which was completely cut out...

>> No.11355830

In his last lecture at my university, Salman Rushdie answered someone's question about why people dislike Pynch's shorter works. He said this:

"Pynchon clearly has two more of writing, the masterpiece doorstop, and Cheech and Chong. Neither are more Pynchon than the other, these are simply the styles that he is interested in
"

>> No.11355841

>>11355822
It wasn't great by any means. The best part is Wyatt Earp's coffee cup with moustache holder.

>> No.11355846

>>11355822
Personally the vegas felt like a detour for me haha.
And with a movie shit's gonna have to be cut and simplified. The movie did a great job of retaining the spirit of the novel imo.

>> No.11355855

>>11355830
Well, in all honesty, Rushdie can shove it up His ass

>> No.11355866

>>11355855
how's life in Iran?

>> No.11355885

>>11355866
We have a saying for people like you in Iran
>Under the pelting stones, a bitch

>> No.11355916

>>11355885
well, good thing I don't live there then!

Though I guess that goes without saying lol

>> No.11356501

>>11354084
If the movie is anything to go by then I can see this being the case, lol. Gets funnier every time I see it

>she's gone, man
lol

>> No.11356634
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11356634

>tfw Pynchon will never be your great uncle, telling you stories like rev. Cherrycoke

>>11356501
>She's gone. Man. Baby.
>She's gone all groovy on us

The scene in the Japanese restaurant is gold too

In the book when Doc spots Coy in the looney bin his reaction is a line break with just
>Now, what the fuck?

>> No.11356854

>>11354084
>Doc, I've never seen you so moved before
>Well, we used to meet in the darkness

>> No.11356988

>>11353061
Was it me or was this very similar to Big Lebowski in plot?

>> No.11357037

IV suffers from the same problem TCoL49 does, which is far too much of "and then Doc went to see ___" for another batch of expository dialogue. there's no natural flow to things

>> No.11357099

>>11357037
In Pynchon's defence, the novel is a pastiche of Chandler-esque Noir stories, and that's how basically all of those progressed as well.

>> No.11357161

I think it's a book ripe for analysis ( I did my senior thesis on it) and doesn't get the cred it deserves. wildly entertaining too. I don't think the pynch has another doorstopper in him, and that's why he's moved to these smaller, easier to read novels. I feel like he almost wants the pop lit crowd to buy his stuff too.

>> No.11357401

>>11354084
>Denis can I... can I actually have this bit of tofu, here?
>That's a marshmallow

>> No.11357514

>>11353061
I've read almost everything by him, and Inherent Vice is actually one of my favorites desu. It certainly wasn't as challenging or as literary, but it was an enjoyable book that I didn't have any trouble with pacing. Mason and Dixon on the other hand (while being my #1 favorite of his) had such inconsistent pacing it was wild. Some sections it'd be smooth sailing for 50-60 pages in an hour or so, other sections I'd have to slodge my way through, getting like 10-15 pages read an hour and feeling like I needed to reread it 5 times to understand what was going on. Gravity's Rainbow was much the same way. Some sections were easy fun, others were a heavy clusterfuck.

>> No.11357934

>>11355885
I got the joke/reference, anon. High quality.

>> No.11357956

>>11354084
>Like Godzilla says to Mothra man, let's go eat some place
Gold.

>> No.11359447

Bump

>> No.11359454

>>11354243
>boomers
>twice
pretend I attached a picture of a man vomiting

>> No.11359470

>>11359454
Is it a boomer?

>> No.11360164

>>11355822
>>11355846
>>11355841
Vegas stuff is essential to understanding what happened in the novel. Do people read Pynchon simply to get to the last page and say you've read it?

>> No.11360211

>>11360164
Could you explain it's importance?

(Btw I'm the guy with the small brains in those Grug pictures)

>> No.11360244

>>11360211
the bet he made in vegas

>> No.11360489

>>11360244
How does his bet fit in with the overall theme? Is it like some sort of cosmic reward?
It''s been a while since I read it.

>> No.11361924

>>11353105
I started reading Gravity's Rainbow and I've never read any other Pynchon. I never understood the meme of reading a bunch of other books by an author before reading their most acclaimed book. I'm only about 150 pages into it but I haven't found overly difficult besides the constant switching between different character's perspectives.

>> No.11361936

>>11360164
Nah. It doesn't matter. It's not our fault you're a fucking retard.

>> No.11362604

>Huh. Well thanks for clearing that one up, Mr. Fang.
>Oh, call me 'The Golden.'