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Do you like Faust Part 2?

>> No.11347598

>>11347578
Yup.

>> No.11347614

>>11347578
its a masterpiece

>> No.11347807

Was it really the act of doing something for the good of the people that satisfied him, or was it the act of bestowing that did?

Zarathustra: I love him whose soul is lavish, who wanteth no thanks and doth not give back: for he always bestoweth, and desireth not to keep for himself. [...] Uncommon is the highest virtue, and unprofiting, beaming is it, and soft of lustre: a bestowing virtue is the highest virtue.

>> No.11347905

>>11347807
Who, Faust? Faust is a pretty despicable person throughout who never really does anything for the "good of the people." He is self-serving and causes a lot of harm. But it is the eternal feminine that leads to his ((Faustian/European) man's) striving and transcendence over nature.

>> No.11347914

>>11347905
But what is his relationship with the eternal feminine in the end? In a previous thread there seemed to be some debate over this.

>> No.11348610

>>11347914
The eternal feminine isn't mentioned until the last lines of the play so it's ambiguous, but it is more or less what pushes us forward and, as an ideal, keeps European man striving to conquer nature and attain vast knowledge about the world.

>> No.11349679

>>11347578
Fuck. Look at that fucking hyper goose getting some sweet action. Goddamn.

>> No.11349697

>>11349679
It's a swan. Zeus, actually.

>> No.11349787

>>11347807
>>11349697
or it's a hint to what could be meant by eternal feminine

>Aphrodite Urania was represented in Greek art on a swan, a tortoise or a globe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphrodite_Urania

>> No.11349806

>>11349787
No, it's literally Leda and the Swan, the pairing that birthed Helen, who in Faust represents the eternal feminine.

>> No.11349859

>>11349806
Helen was just an episode in Faust's life. eternal feminine is more fundamental. also the swan can mean whatever the fuck i want it to mean.

>> No.11349862

>>11349859
No, it can't. Have you even read Faust, you troglodyte?

>> No.11349881
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11349881

>>11349862
>thinks there can be only one meaning of greek legends
>thinks the last line of Faust II is simply a recapitulation of an episode to the effect of "...and this was the story about how Faust chased Helen".
>calls others troglodytes

>> No.11349927

>>11349881
I can tell you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, pleb, and I'd bet you probably haven't even read Faust. It's Leda and the Swan, mother fucker, and it's not even ambiguous.

>> No.11349949

>>11349927
>it's not even ambiguous
did you even start with the greeks? the imagery is the only unifying thread, the rest are more or less esoteric interpretations. they couldnt even settle on a family tree.

>> No.11349971

>>11349949
It is 100% Leda and the Swan so there is a 100% chance you're wrong.

>> No.11350149

>>11349949
https://www.amazon.com/Faust-Part-Oxford-Worlds-Classics/dp/0199536201

>See all 3 images
>Back cover
>Cover illustration: detail from Leda and the Swan, 1532, by Correggio.

Wew, that was a toughie.