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Is George Raymond Martin the greatest hack writer of the 21st century? I struggle
to find any other writer that has shaped an empire by living off the legacy
of another dead man, and badly ripping his ideas blatantly?

I struggle to find a greater, well known, untalented guttersnipe worse than George Martin.

>> No.11330883

The sheer depth of his books is insane. Maybe but not liking something on principle is a bit too /pol/ for me anon.

>> No.11330945

It's clear his series is going to end without a good conclusion because hes lost the plot and has let the story get too bloated to the point he's going to have to Hamlet a ton of characters just to come close to resolving things.

Still think calling GRRM a hack is too much, his books are popular for a reason, they have a lot of depth, he WAS unafraid to kill off well developed characters, and he was wise enough to basically steal the story of the War of the Roses for his first books.

>> No.11330957

Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water.

>> No.11331035

>>11330883
>The sheer depth of his books is insane.
>not liking something on principle is a bit too /pol/ for me
*SNAP*

>> No.11331055

> I struggle to find any other writer that has shaped an empire by living off the legacy of another dead man, and badly ripping his ideas blatantly?

He owes more to Graves than he does to Tolkien.

>> No.11331063

>>11330455
Go to your containment thread

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>>11330455
>twilight fan-fiction worth millions

>> No.11331089

>>11331055
Why Graves?
If anything, he's ripping off Maurice Druon.

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>>11330455
He's the Christopher Nolan of fantasy, in both good and bad ways.

>> No.11331131

The fact that nobody can agree who he ripped off is in and of itself proof that he ripped nobody off.

>> No.11331132

>>11331131
He ripped of Tolkien and the War of the Roses.

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>> No.11331157

>>11331132
He has absolutely nothing in common in Tolkien. He himself admitted to ripping off Druon's Rois maudits.

>> No.11331163

>>11331131
Can anyone elaborate on why they think it’s Tolkien? I really don’t see what’s so similar about their works.

>> No.11331218

I can't hate him because my novel is just the Alexiad with the names changed.

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>> No.11331226

>>11331132
How do you “rip off” a historical period?

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>>11330455
why are you getting mad at genreshit being genreshit and selling a lot? it's literally what genreshit is designed to do

>> No.11331252

>>11331035
gay meme that no one enjoys but forces because they want to seem cynical, hardened and part of a wild vicious subculture that’s totally domesticate and toothless now. gay
>>11331136
again, fuck off its gay and no one appreciates this kind of affected cynicism or smug passive aggressiveness this is the simon cowell reaction gif of memes

>> No.11331257

>>11330957
hot

>> No.11331295

>>11331163
>>11331157
This. The only thing similar to Tolkien is that he created a world and some of the peoples there speak different languages, but that's pretty much every fantasy book in the last 70 years. He doesn't even have elves and dwarves and shit.

>> No.11331297

>>11331252
cringe

>> No.11331318

>>11331295
there's a dwarve

>> No.11331321

>>11331318
Don't insult Jon Snow.

>> No.11331334

>>11330957
I like it

>> No.11331337

>>11331132
How did he rip off tolkien? If anything he subverted tolkien tropes.

People dislike him for the same reason they hate the Last Jedi: "Oh he is subverting someone else's work, so he must be saying it is shit!"

>> No.11331352

>>11330957
The flow of this is incredible. Probably my favourite passage in the series.

>> No.11331727

>>11331295
The Targaryens are his elves.

>> No.11331742

>>11330455
>writer that has shaped an empire by living off the legacy of another dead man, and badly ripping his ideas blatantly?
I hope you don't mean Tolkien because he pretty much abandoned classical fantasy in a way which most fantasy writers never were able to.

>> No.11331768

>>11330455
I got banned from his website when Brexit happened and I said it was the right of the British to do what they want with their country and to remain British. He's a corpulent pig and you shouldn't read him after High School.

>> No.11331780

People don’t actually read played out hacky fantasy anymore right? Who wants to read a second rate LOTR?

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Anyone here read Memory Sorrow and Thorn by Tad Williams? Apparently it's the inspiration for GRRM. I haven't read game of thrones and don't intend to.

>> No.11331847

>>11330455
I mean that's cool and all but the reason why you're not going to make it as an author or critic is that you aren't actually trying to understand why people like it, and if you don't understand why people like something you can't integrate that new knowledge into your own artwork

> But I don't want to write pleb shit
Well, duh. But if you aren't able to find a way to transform kitsch ideas into something new, exciting, or useful then you've missed a big part of creation in general.

This isn't just a Martin thing, this is an any author ever thing. The ability to understand ideas and synthesize new ones is a fundamental part of art. You're growth deprived because you're eager to call anyone who disagrees with you stupid. Stop fucking crippling yourselves

>> No.11331869

>>11331813
Christ that sounds awful.

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>>11331252

>> No.11332241

>>11331252
>gay meme that no one enjoys but forces because they want to seem cynical, hardened and part of a wild vicious subculture that’s totally domesticate and toothless now. gay
Dude it's just a different way to express disagreement and contempt.

>>11331813
Read it as a kid. Not special or interesting in any way.

>> No.11332686

>>11330455

I like his books. There are flaws, but the whole GoT universe is interesting and has a lot of potential.

>> No.11332701

>>11332241
no its just gay and ugly, lacks all the charm of rage comics, early MS paint memes and the classic lexicon of reaction images, represents the unjustifiable, senescent decline of internet trolling and is basically a perpetual self-own. if you have ever posted shrek memes you are not allowed into heaven. cig pepe was still coming from a place of superiority, this is being widely used by people who contributed nothing or are incapable of contributing any longer to any kind of generative nihilism. its gay, fake and gay

>> No.11333463

>>11331063
Fuck off. Not a rule.

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>>11332701

>> No.11333532

>>11331069
Yeah it still astounds me this became that popular even with a world full of illiterate degenerates.

>> No.11333785

>>11331742
Probably meant Robert E. Howard as the dead writer.

>> No.11333797

>>11331093
But Nolan made Dunkirk which was good