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What does /lit/ think of Lucretius and De Rerum Natura? Even though I don't always agree with him, I personally find him to be one of the best latin poets.
Better than Vergil, at least.

>> No.11299501

Good literature, terrible philosophy

>> No.11299508

>>11299501
Epicureanism is GOAT tho

>> No.11299516

>>11299508
The Epicurean lifestyle is honestly a really good way to live. I think Lucretius was a little too edgy about it sometimes, but he was right in supporting it, and there's no question that he was an absurdly talented author, ranking with Ovid as one of the best latin poets

>> No.11299841

>>11299481
I don't think he's necessarily better than Vergil, but his fluidity and fidelity to natur naturans is breathtaking and an experience altogether different from what one receives from most Roman Latin verse.

>> No.11300371

>>11299841
Would you at least be willing to concede that his verse is better?

>> No.11300389

>>11299481
Bold, both in attempting to beautify the seeming ugliness of materialist Epicureanism, and in his atheism, which was rarely if ever discussed so openly at the time. The differences between his atheism and the modern variety is also worth looking into.

>> No.11300569

>>11300371
I think it reads alot better on the blind- has more energy, gusto, comprehensibility and whatever else. Vergil is however a supremely artful motherfucker, and used what he learned from Lucretius with profit. Study evens the balance, perhaps gives Vergil the edge. Lucretius does seem more timely, however. Theyre both great poets.

>> No.11300580

>>11299501
First post, terrible post

>> No.11300803

>>11300569
That's true. Vergil picked up a lot from other writers, and the edge that comes with that really did him a lot of favors, as well as being extraordinarily talented in his own right. Also, unrelated side note, I strongly believe that Vergil himself was also an Epicurean, just less open about it as Lucretius

>> No.11302245

>>11300803
That's fair, given his preference for retirement and his absolute dedication to his own poetry. What Lucretius seems to have given to life Vergil was able to give exclusively to art- maybe his salvation (as it were).