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[Anonymous No.11296298]

>grug smoke flower and have thought
>grug is philosopher now

[Anonymous No.11296308]

Anyone who thinks marijuana can instill deeper thought or wisdom deserves a cattle bolt stunner to the back of the head
I say this as a frequent user myself

[Anonymous No.11296319]

>>11296308
It can help. Its not the same as thinking sober and so it produces different results

[Anonymous No.11296320]

Daily reminder cannabis kills the imagination and creative will with daily use

[Anonymous No.11296324]

>>11296319
>>11296320
Two dumb posts in a row

[Anonymous No.11296325]

My friend lost the ability to write more than one sentence since he became a stoner

[Anonymous No.11296332]

>>11296308
Thank you, the pot culture needs to chill the fuck out. I'm also a frequent user, and as much as I love the flower, this mystic shilling drives me bonkers. It's a useful tool, and has helped me immensely. But, definitely won't alter the user into a divine guru.

[Anonymous No.11296337]

>>11296298
Weed made me even more lazy than i already was, switched to kratom instead, at least i'm able to read something on that.

[Anonymous No.11296340]

>>11296308
>>11296332

false

[Anonymous No.11296342]

People care too much about weed. We should start shaming coffee users instead.

[Anonymous No.11296346]

>>11296319
it impedes working memory, increases associative thought, accentuates abstract spatial reasoning skills and emotionally charged ideation. helps me write poetry and mystical tracts
>>11296320
it absolutely does not inhibit imagination, no psychedelics or psychedelic cognates/analogues/derivatives have ever been shown to dull creativity in a clinical setting only to not cause more complex expression. LSD and weed will make you less inhibited and you will associate complementary ideas better you will not go deeper nor will you be more competent than you were before. weed makes you laterally inclined and self-conscious it doesn’t grant a higher iq or higher verbal dexterity.

[Anonymous No.11296347]

Cannabis makes you lose your ability to focus and judge. So you might think your regarded insights sound cool but they really aren't. Not like it even matters since no one remembers anything they thought about while high since it clogs your memory.

[Anonymous No.11296350]

>>11296340
Please place an icepick upwards on a table and bring your forehead down on it as hard as you can

[Anonymous No.11296355]

>>11296350
Not an argument sweetums

[Anonymous No.11296358]

>>11296355
I wasn't trying to make one. It was a request

[Anonymous No.11296362]

>>11296358
sorry sweetie, request denied.

[Anonymous No.11296366]

Smoking dope only does harm to the body. Try nofap + exercise if you want to be able to think clearly in your own mind.

[Anonymous No.11296369]

Bunga think flower thoughts not valid
Bunga say flower degenerate, only dark-darks and lady-man smoke flower

Grug not REAL philosopher

[Anonymous No.11296375]

>>11296366
>Smoking dope only does harm to the body

nope

[Anonymous No.11296385]

The only thing worse than "weed culture" are people who go on polemics against it

[Anonymous No.11296390]

>>11296342
why...what is this fucking meme

[Anonymous No.11296409]

Grug dun lik majik flowur
Majik flowur mak grug les smurt
Grug mak fren wit no majik
Grug bettr philosophy

[Anonymous No.11296416]

>>11296308
It does though. You're just being contrarian and you would never had said it 5years ago before reddit pot culture was a thing.

[Anonymous No.11296418]

snuff>hand-rolled cigarettes>>>cigarettes>>>>>>>>weed

[Anonymous No.11296433]

This is a fun thread. I'm glad I came here. Before my current stash runs out, convince me why I should quit, or why I should pick up more.

[Anonymous No.11296445]

>>11296416
Please, anon. Tell me a tale about the wondrous insights and revelations bestowed unto you by the hand of marijuana. I promise to treat it with the respect it deserves if they are genuine insights
>5years ago before reddit pot culture was a thing
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh my fucking god

[Anonymous No.11296472]

>>11296346
>>11296433
It hampers both divergent and convergent thinking, short term memory, Verbal IQ (in the short term) motivation, drive and remains in fat stores for at least 28 days, that and brain fog, it potentiating of social anxiety, and, if taken often enough, becomes a psychological addiction which eats into life 'not high'.

[Anonymous No.11296488]

>>11296472
Yeah but it feels good. Pleasure > all

[Anonymous No.11296496]

marijuana makes you stupid. Everyone knows that

[Anonymous No.11296497]

>>11296472
How does one overcome it once it becomes a psychological addiction? I am trying to quit drugs but I am struggling to get ride of beer, cigs, and weed. I fear I have an addictive personality and naively wandered into the rock and roll lifestyle in college

[Anonymous No.11296503]

>grug hit people with whip and have rich parents
>grug philosopher now

[Anonymous No.11296510]

the worst part about weed is that it makes you go to hell

[Anonymous No.11296514]

>>11296488
>pleasure > all
nice bait, be a shame if someone... bud u on a gros :DDD

[Anonymous No.11296519]

>>11296472
>divergent and convergent thinking
no it doesn’t take your gay /sci/ memes and neo-DARE stemlord shit away from here

[Anonymous No.11296539]

>>11296497
You just need to quit for 3 weeks to a month, and reset the habit/tolerance. Whenever I find myself overindulging, I go on a 3 week break, and then see how I feel. Leading up to the T-break is a lot of back and forth, but you really just need to go a few days, and after that, you won't even think about it. I'd find a massive book that you'd normally never pick up, and use that to supplement your use. Plus, the dreams are worth it.

[Anonymous No.11296552]

>I hear other tribe get lot of smart flower thoughts
>Maybe your tribe will get smart too because of magic flower
>trust me, I am from the hooked nosed tribe!

[Anonymous No.11296564]

>>11296298
This, but unironically.

[Anonymous No.11296566]

>>11296308
heh, yeah, i've read No Country for Old Men too

[Anonymous No.11296577]

>>11296369
>PgruUQR.png
reddit.

[Anonymous No.11296587]

>>11296308
I don't think that it instills deeper thought so much as it inhibits concrete goal-oriented thought and brings out abstract thoughts. Since abstraction, categorization, and systemic big-picture understandings of phenomena are a big part of philosophy, weed gets this reputation as causing people to be more philosophical. Instead of looking at things in this survivalist and goal-oriented way you put down your dukes and start to delve arbitrarily into the abstract components of whatever it is you're considering.

[Anonymous No.11296606]

>>11296472
>divergent and convergent thinking, short term memory
that's not a bad thing in itself. if you don't have cannaboid receptors for those things, you wind up with mammals that can't forget. it's like an extreme object permanence, where if you remove something from the subjects environment, they keep looking for it where it was. they can't forget it's there, and when it isn't still there, they can't learn a replacement fact because they can't forget the one they learnt before the damage.
you need some memory loss, especially from short term memory, because otherwise you're probably mentally ill/have structural damage which disables you physically. cannabis' "inspiration" is often forgetting normal connections and making new ones, which might be the same as the old one and just seem new, or might be a new connection, but both use new pathways, the old one being forgotten.
it's like saying "opiates are bad because you won't know your leg is broken". it ignores your body produces them when your leg is broken, and nearly everyone welcomes more morphine when their leg is broken, which doesn't mean they approve of its abuse or junkies stealing shit from your car.

[Anonymous No.11296610]

>>11296519
Yes it does:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4336648/
>>11296497
I can only give my experience, I ran out of money to buy weed, over food, and after a week the 'who cares, get high' compulsion started to fade, it's happened before, and I've started again, so I deleted my dealer's number, also went on nofap, and quit eating terribly, which for some reason made weed far less immediately appealing. Also, don't be too harsh on yourself or 'militant' about qutting, it makes self perpetuating, self hating streak of shame that eventually leads back to more smoking to ease the depression. Don't smoke cigs or drink either, drinking triggers the impulse like nothing else. It's easy to say but the longer you go without the easier it gets.

[Anonymous No.11296633]

>>11296369
grug think entire universe was created by grug of grugs who ingrugnated himself on earth during the height of the grugan empire to make self-grugrifice in order to save his gruglets from sins and grugtan both of which grug of grugs created

[Anonymous No.11296664]

>>11296606
I don't know what the animal comparison has to do with anything, we forget shit regardless of smoking weed, why would you thinking 'aiding' that does any good?
Reassessing thought patterns/making new connections is LSD's territory, and it trumps weeds ass for novelty, weed adds flourishes to thoughts you've already had, while LSD changes the course of that thought . and branches out new ones.

[Anonymous No.11296678]

>>11296633
Onions grug agrees and wishes to add that fedora is favorite hat

[Anonymous No.11296688]

>>11296610
You posted one study with less than 20 subjects, they only had one alrernative group, there are other studies that contradict this and show that low doses of THC increase creativity. finally pic related lol
http://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/1348009/2/1348009.pdf
and there is no indication that these effects are not relating to the function of the endocannabinoid system or dopamine levels in the users, variations in baseline creativity and cognitive capacities. 19 people is not enough of a sample size to determine anything

[Anonymous No.11296701]

>>11296664
the animal comparison is because you can't burn out the cannaboid receptors of humans intentionally for a study. you can however use those studies to demonstrate medical value and how natural cannaboids in our brain work, and why we are prone to thinking of it as inspirational. you can also use the human studies, but they don't feed everyone the same or have all the perfect symptoms and scenarios you can breed/cauterize into labrats.
>>11296664
>Reassessing thought patterns/making new connections is LSD's territory
that is not the kind of forgetting or inspiration I'm talking about and a lot of it is Leary hype, which isn't the best science on LSD since he was a psychologist who specialized in writing tests for institutions dealing with the violent, rather than forgetting or neuroscience or chemistry or psychiatry.

[Anonymous No.11296705]

It all depends on the drug and the person using it.

Intelligent people have greatly stimulated minds naturally, so they tend to seek out escape from this by drugs that lessen consciousness, like alcohol, opiates and other downers. You see this type of drug use with a lot of creative genii.

Half smart people, 110-120 IQ turboplebs, stemfags and the like, may benefit from stimulants. They are pragmatic and productive people, useful idiots and redditors who can be better wageslaves with a little extra boost sometimes.

Then you have the lowest of the low who have truly dull minds and enjoy it actually being stimulated and so they enjoy cannabis and psychedelics and consider it 'fun' while the experience of these substances is torment to great minds because they are naturally sensitive and already suffer from overly active minds generally.

Drugs can be beneficial as long as people stick to the proper drugs for their class.

[Anonymous No.11296775]

>>11296688
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1207/S15326934CRJ1334_18
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053810011002856

Huh, well fuck me, I'm in error, but my point still stands on consistent usage weakening creativity, if it's not a reoccurring thing (like your first time) then the mind runs riot
but after smoking day in day out it dulls.

[Anonymous No.11296794]

>>11296775
>weakening creativity
What types of creativity? What are the examples of creativity?

[Anonymous No.11296798]

>>11296688
>>11296688
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1207/S15326934CRJ1334_18
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053810011002856

Huh, well fuck me, I'm in error, but my point still stands on consistent usage weakening creativity, if it's not a reoccurring thing (like your first time) or isolated event like the studies that claim boost, then the mind runs riot
but after smoking day in day out it dulls.

[Anonymous No.11296821]

>>11296794
Novelty seeking, writing, anything that takes concentrated effort or sustained intuition, weakened by weed's hampering of drive/motivation which leads to the novelty seeking that sparks creativity.

[Anonymous No.11296853]

>>11296821
maybe people are different. there are likely a lot of artists that use it, and likely thats the field it is most used in, the field of creativity. I personally know a great painter that was studying something else in college, but would just stay home in his room all day and smoke and make 100 paintings a day, and now years later he is in galleries and stuff and travels the world, he did quit weed after because way addictive personality, and there comes a time of extremity (like the storys of voltaire and whoever with 50 cups of coffee a day, or people that smoke 2 packs of cigs a day, compulsive, always need stimulus), lots of money cost, and it becomes too much of a repetitious act schedule in itself, but still he probably made over 1000 paintings and drawings in a few years and sells some for 100s-1000s of dollars. we can likely go back and forth with anecdotes here and there from all sides, and what would you know, people are different

[Anonymous No.11296857]

>>11296701
I see your point on the importance of recycling memory, but if you're gonna keep burning out your brain time and time again they're gonna be long term effects, the lazy forgetful stoner stereotype doesn't exist for nothing.

[Anonymous No.11296871]

>>11296853
You're right, I think my quitting may have blemished thought of weed doing any good.

[Anonymous No.11296928]

>>11296871
mostly people use it like people use alcohol, to forget the horrors of life for a little while, to settle the mind from its normal wild non stop tangents and worries, and because it is like a type of spa, a vacation from average, entering an internal amusement park with fog machines and house of mirrors and light show. the interesting thing is the 'dont like to lose control', a fraid of the feeling of not being on top of all ideas, the self being a carefully constructed tower of language and ideas and memories, and the power for a substance to potentially twist and poke and prod some of these, make that self view itself in different lights, the fundamental normal used to sense of feeling and experiencing mind and body altering every slightly, or ever slightly more, or more, or more, complexly, how to define that complexities complexly, of different, of feeling and experience, mind set, demeanor, composure, deep council with the soul, realization of ones relation with life, passion

[Anonymous No.11296994]

>>11296928
>mostly people use it like people use alcohol, to forget the horrors of life for a little while
they should face the horrors like a man

[Anonymous No.11297000]

>>11296705
Gay and retarded opinion

[Anonymous No.11297002]

>>11296994
>they should face the horrors like a man
yea but imagine if a small simple minded sadistic ignorant idiot gave that advice, as in, easier said than done for one who is not?

[Anonymous No.11297006]

>>11296705
well crafted bait

[Anonymous No.11297037]

grug stay in dark cave for long time. big thinking in cave. grug big thinker.
jamingo, draw up cave painting.

[Anonymous No.11297071]

>grug smoke pointy leaf
>grug find out rock shaman lying about skygrug

[Anonymous No.11297091]

>>11297000
>>11297006
t. 420 boys

[Anonymous No.11297099]

>>11296857
>but if you're gonna keep burning out your brain time and time again they're gonna be long term effects
the amount of potential new connections for your brain to form between neurons is exponentially greater than the amount of atoms in the known universe. the stereotype you're talking about is the other extreme, and probably not financially viable long term. some of it can be inspiring, but some of it is just relearning the old shit you knew through a new pathway, and that's potentially very useful like opiates have great potential uses (though terrible practical ones in a lot of places).
i'm not advocating medical marijuana as it's usually deployed though. humans aren't specially bred rats, and the dosage and administration varies so widely that it's more convenient to legalize it and allow people to use it at their own risk. actual medical marijuana's uses with real science behind it is very rare so far. we don't know enough about a lot of the diseases it's supposed to treat and don't have large enough studies to check whether it works for most things. empirically, the effects are so different in different users you couldn't recommend it for anxiety the way you could benzos, though it might have slightly less risk than benzos and might work in some patients, the effect:risk benefit for most cases of extreme anxiety still favors the old 1950s knock out drugs above the natural alternatives from earlier in human history. i'm peeved by people misconstruing the limited amount of science we do have on both sides of the argument, because it's probably neither a wonderdrug nor a death sentence and trip to hell.
it's probably something closer to aspirin in that it's helpful a lot of the time and damaging some of the time, and it's a very big judgment call when someone's having a heart attack or stroke to give it to them without proper investigation of their individual organs. safe enough to legalize, unlikely to overdose, and probably best used in medicine when there's a thorough investigation first, not some doctor who thinks it cures everything prescribing it like a homeopath gives out water.

[Anonymous No.11297101]

>>11296308
this
opium is the real thinking man's drug

[Anonymous No.11297431]

>>11296445
Not that guy, don’t smoke weed often, but gee is it a beautiful and underrated plant. I think it’s underrated because people who smoke very often — every day for extended periods of time — lose the potential to fully feel its magic, to a certain extent. Their tolerance is too high. Friends I have will smoke 5 times more than I do and just end up getting more euphoric, more relaxed, more chill. When I smoke weed (which I rarely do) I pretty much have a psychedelic experience without visuals (or maybe even some closed-eye visuals in darkness). Much more empathetic and emotional, reflect more on life, and a much bigger appreciation for art.

Look at >>11296308. Can you see any correlation between his being a frequent user and his being so cynical about the insights it brings? With low tolerance, I’ve had a full blown psychedelic trip with open eyed visuals from an edible, and profound insights about an attitude of self-hatred underlying my life. Excessive use of weed shows a disrespect for it, and I think it “punishes” you, in a way, for it, because people who use it too much do indeed seem less creative, less motivated, and even seem to me to be more irritable and not have as much control over their emotions when they’re sober (contrary to the stereotype of the “relaxed” and “chill” stoner). I was reading a book while high and began to see connections and allegories in it I had never seen while sober, my brain was making so many connections it was astonishing. I wrote these connections down. The next day, I decided to look at them again, thinking it’d probably just be inane ramblings. No, I realized things about the book I don’t think have been noted in criticism of it, and to this day can’t look at the book in the same way. Carl Sagan claimed that scientific ideas he had under the influence of weed found their way into essays/articles he later wrote which were well-received.

I think appreciation of the insights marijuana can give us is inseparably bound for the appreciation of the food nature gives us, for medicines to be found naturally in various plants, and so on. Few would disrespect that poppy flowers, say, have given us opiates with which to kill pain, or the precursor to aspirin comes from the willow tree, and so on. When people say marijuana can give them increased sensitivity and insight, I think people pounce so harshly on it because they’re cynical and somewhat uncomfortable at this. Making fun of these claims seems to be a way of covering up one’s own fear of or embarrassment at the ideas of “sensitivity” and “insight”. Maybe they’re even insecure at the idea of people relaxing and having pleasure. This is the mindset that seems to me to be behind the “DUDE WEED LMAO” meme.

[Anonymous No.11297453]

I like how the club is a joint, very nice
Anyway i never meet anyone who smokes weed that was also worth talking to about literature and philosophy

[Anonymous No.11297564]

>>11296320
everything kills your imagination if you use too much of it

[Anonymous No.11297576]

>>11297564
t. retard

[Anonymous No.11297577]

>>11296308
>>11296320
how do you explain snoop dog

[Anonymous No.11297578]

>>11297577
I... I can't...

[Anonymous No.11297585]

>>11297576
>t. retard

[Anonymous No.11297591]

>>11297585
t. brainlet

[Anonymous No.11297598]

>>11297591
>t. brainlet

[Anonymous No.11297670]

Uh-huh, ok

[Anonymous No.11297833]

>>11296320
Proofs?

[Anonymous No.11297851]

>>11296298
>GRUG NO THINK ALL STUFF IS TREE
>GRUG THINK SOME STUFF IS RHIZOME
>GRUGLIX THE BONG, GRUGLIX PASS IT

[Anonymous No.11297902]

>>11296514

[Anonymous No.11297967]

>>11296433
Don't quit but be more spontaneous with your use. If you smoke consistently for a while after you stop you get an influx of trippy dreams because your brains begins to make up for all the lost REM sleep weed deprives the body. Those dreams can be great sources of inspiration if you're an artist of any kind. Also it would affect your tolerance so less weed will get you higher than it usually does.

[Anonymous No.11297973]

>>11296298
anyone got hte full line up of historica grugs? we should really fill in the gaps imo on that chart

[Anonymous No.11298029]

>>11296366
I do nofap, exercise, and pot smoakin

[Anonymous No.11298038]

>>11297973
Do what you wish

[Anonymous No.11298675]

>>11298038
>PKD grug
>no JRRT grug
absolutely haram

[Anonymous No.11298698]

Dope makes you an obnoxious asshole who obsesses over a plant of all things

[Anonymous No.11298765]

>>11298029
based

[Anonymous No.11298800]

>>11296366
>nofap
imagine actually falling for Reddit memes

[Anonymous No.11298997]

>>11296705
>I was a little pussy when I smoked that joint its because I am geniues also I rank drugs on scale!!

[Anonymous No.11298997,1]

Weed makes me lazy as well, but I'm not even sure if I want to be a calm vegetable or a stressed human being at that point, so I don't know if it's worth quitting.