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[Anonymous No.11284873]

>You're a philosophy guy, huh? Say something philosophical.

[Anonymous No.11284888]

>>11284873
just talk about consumerism, that always impresses normies

[Anonymous No.11284889]

"Science can't tell us how to behave and self-consciousness is metaphysically significant. I'll take the Shrek toy hanging on the corner there, by the way"

[Anonymous No.11284894]

Belief in a world independent of human perception is tantamount to the belief in God.

[Anonymous No.11284907]

>>11284888
What do you think those cards are?

[Anonymous No.11284909]

>>11284889
>>11284894
Both of these are wrong though. You're bad at philosophy

[Anonymous No.11284915]

>It is not philosophical to say something philosophical
And then talk about something else.

[Anonymous No.11284918]

>>11284909
Calling something wrong without elaboration strikes me as bad philosophy too

[Anonymous No.11284920]

*snap*

[Anonymous No.11284921]

"Haha, what even is good or evil, ya know? Proper behaviour is determined by the culture we live in. Pass me the bong"

[Anonymous No.11284923]

>>11284873
ésti

>>11284888
pseud

>>11284889
cringe

>>11284894
holy fucking pseud

>>11284907
third rate pseud

[Anonymous No.11284933]

whats the meaning of life

[Anonymous No.11284943]

Life's what you make it, so let's make it right.

[Anonymous No.11284949]

>>11284943
>huh, sounds like I could get into philosophy then! seems easy!

[Anonymous No.11284950]

According to Plato, life really IS The Matrix. Only people of high intellect can be freed from the grips of the Forms and see true reality.

[Anonymous No.11284956]

>>11284873
Being is not being of beings

[Anonymous No.11284968]

>>11284933
Fuck "meaning", fuck it right up the butt.

[Anonymous No.11284977]

>>11284873
fugging the anime tiddies
got waifus in every cities XDD

[Anonymous No.11284979]

>>11284923
*snap*

[Anonymous No.11284986]

>>11284950
t. Read the cave once and doesn't understand Plato's broader metaphysics

[Anonymous No.11284987]

>>11284986
This

[Anonymous No.11284989]

I talk about philosophy to people who aren't into it all the time. I have a reputation for being a fun person to be around when people are doing drugs these days.

>>11284915 Sure it is. I explained somebody the concept of atomism a few days ago. You can talk to anybody including a small child and retarded man in philosophical terms if you're good at communication.

[Anonymous No.11285006]

>>11284989
Is this the /lit/ equivalent of pic related?

[Anonymous No.11285019]

>>11284989
I do this too. My friends aren't all that interested in philosophy but we had a great debate about the capacity for experience in animals and the implications of evolution as a mechanism in the physical constraints of our universe. I really like seeing what people who haven't read any philosophy think about subjects like that when they first approach them

[Anonymous No.11285026]

>>11284989
How the fuck do you even bring up philosophy in a conversation? And how do you keep normies from being bored out of their minds by it?

[Anonymous No.11285033]

>>11285026
By not bringing up analytic philosophy or logic

[Anonymous No.11285035]

>>11284989
>Sure it is.
That's not really the point. I mean this in the spirit of "electrical infetterance."

[Anonymous No.11285036]

how is cyber bullying real

[Anonymous No.11285037]

>>11285033
I have no fucking clue about either. I had a conversation about Nietzsche once and it was awful.

[Anonymous No.11285040]

>>11284873
live, laugh, love

[Anonymous No.11285069]

>>11285026
Normies have philosophical thoughts all the time, they just take their gut feeling as a given and don't realize that it's actually philosophy.
My girlfriend complained about epistemology a few weeks ago and said something like "I don't understand the point, what's the good in writing about 'the truth' if it means something different to everyone?" and I just said "you just made an epistemological claim"
Her eyes lit up, it was fun to watch

[Anonymous No.11285079]

>>11284873
>What do you mean when you say "philosophical"?

[Anonymous No.11285089]

I have literally been doing this in Omegle for around four months now. If we share interests as ‘philosophy’, I’ll ask them to say something philosophical.

The way I see it, chances are they are some fag like OP who actually reads philosophy but is only 16 so they think this makes them smarter or something. I just like to see their reactions.

Sometimes I’ll misspell philosophy just for shits and giggles. You have no idea the amount of pretension philosophy attracts

[Anonymous No.11285098]

>>11284989
fucking die pseud midwit dilettante pseud midwit dilettante pseud midwit dilettante pseud midwit dilettante pseud midwit dilettante pseud midwit dilettante pseud midwit dilettante pseud midwit dilettante pseud midwit dilettante

[Anonymous No.11285152]

bad doesn't real

[Anonymous No.11285203]

>>11285152
wtf where do I read more about this

[Anonymous No.11285205]

>>11285203
neetshit and the foreheadman

[Anonymous No.11285336]

>>11284873
Loli is a holy being that you can only admire but not defile. Her sweat is sweet and her poo is fragrant. We have to protect such a pure being. If you want to commit a crime, look for a random slut on the street. A true lolicon only stalks and protects them in the shadows.

[Anonymous No.11285359]

>>11284873
The being of being being, being Being's being Being, is Being being being.

[Anonymous No.11285861]

>>11284873
The Dao that can be spoken of is not the true Dao.

[Anonymous No.11285925]

>>11284873
Proof itself, of any sort, is impossible, without an axiom (as Godel proved). Thus faith in God is a prerequisite for all proof.

[Anonymous No.11285934]

GET A LOAD OF THIS, WHITE BOY

[Anonymous No.11285968]

>>11285934
>white

[Anonymous No.11285978]

>>11284873
>why?

[Anonymous No.11285980]

>>11285934
God, me, that's what I wish he was.

[Anonymous No.11286229]

>>11284909
Both of those are correct though.

[Anonymous No.11286302]

>>11284873

"most people are dead inside."

[Anonymous No.11286494]

>>11284923
>The pseud move of calling others pseud without contributing thought of their own
>inb4 this post is doing the same thing

[Anonymous No.11286547]

I have talked to people who have never read about philosophy about Kant, if you guys wanna get them interested just ask them "What is knowledge" Almost everyone who has thought about this without reading or a background comes to the empiricism conclusion if you whittle them down "But where does knowledge come from" Etc etc. You can then branch this into Kantian metaphysics and start a really good conversation! that is if you have read at least half of the critique

[Anonymous No.11286563]

>>11286547
As long as you're sober. Explaining the concept of a noumenon or a thing in itself to a drunk person is a Herculean labor

[Anonymous No.11286569]

People who use nihilism to justify suicide are irrational because there is no reason to kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.11286585]

>>11286563
What about to a weed head

[Anonymous No.11286615]

>>11286563
Why the fuck would you even attempt that, just don't try and talk about priori or synthetic reasoning or it will start to confuse the both of you

[Anonymous No.11286660]

>>11284873
philosophy is for hacks.

[Anonymous No.11286679]

>>11286585
Stoners will usually be glib, you'll have a pretentious conversation without either of you understanding anything. Just as pointless. Don't talk about philosophy while under the influence of drugs if you want to arrive at new knowledge. It can be cathartic to list maudlin complaints about the Spectacle, though.

>>11286615
Pseuds. The guy said "I never really read philosophy but I've thought about what things mean a lot so I think I know more than most people." I'm not going to let that slide, drunk or sober. Turns out he had a cobbler's philosophy of materialistic scientism, what a shock

[Anonymous No.11286957]

>>11284909
Now you're sounding like a philosopher!

[Anonymous No.11287528]

>>11286569
>People who use nihilism to justify suicide are irrational because there is no reason to kill yourself.
>no reason
Do you want me to pull out the usual diatribe of "excruciating terminal illness"?

[Anonymous No.11287532]

>want to study philosophy at Uni
>know I'd be a third rate and never truly able to convince anyone of the validity of my words

[Anonymous No.11287542]

>>11287528
Yes but since I myself am not experiencing this terminal illness, and cannot know for certain if the other person is or not, or how genuinely their suffering truly is since they simply have lower pain thresholds and are therefore embellishing, I cannot trust any report from an exterior source in regards to this situation, and so "excruciating terminal illness" cannot logically be used as a reason for suicide

But, you will argue, you can imagine yourself in such a situation. Yes, but I am not in it now. But if you were to be in it? Then I could imagine all of the situations in which I was not under such extreme duress as equally valid possibilities as which the terminal illness now stands to me at this moment, with the same reality value, that is to say, none whatsoever. So the THREAT of a terminal illness cannot be used as a reason. But what if I were to genuinely be afflicted by one? Then there is morphine. But no morphine? Now we are just being ridiculous

There are literally no reasons for me, as I am as I am, to commit suicide. All of your promptings can be reduced to irrational appeals or phatic trivialities, but reasonably it is impossible for you to convince me that there is ever a reason for suicide in light of the Infinite freedom posited by Nihilism (infinite in the sense that I possess the totality of it immediately, in every moment that IS etc).

Please don't be so pedestrian in your arguments against the immaculate resource of human existence that Nihilism situates itself as. You cannot refute me.

[Anonymous No.11287552]

The fundamental question underlying the human experience is whether to commit suicide or not.

[Anonymous No.11288195]

People don't actually get bored by it, like you normally would expect simply because anyone has philosophical thoughts, even if naive most of the time and based on gut feeling.

[Anonymous No.11288211]

>>11284907
Insect Swarm Beatdown, So probably Metamorphosed Insect Queen, Perfectly Ultimate Great Moth, (From Cocoon of Ultimate evolution and Parasite Paranoid combo), Doom Dozer, Brain Crusher and probably Parasite Paracide, (just for fun).

[Anonymous No.11288216]

>>11284873
Both the shepherd and the wolf eat the sheep.

[Anonymous No.11288349]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36GT2zI8lVA

this bord is cancer. i'm out.

[Anonymous No.11288367]

>>11285006
Yes.

[Anonymous No.11288381]

>>11285359
Stop trying so hard, Jordan. Go back to what you're good at: giving blue-eyed Arabs rusty trombones.

[Anonymous No.11288383]

>>11284873
i typically ramble on about how consciousness has to be continuous in space and time, and how it needs quantum entanglement in order to be spatially continuous or if not clones would share the same consciousness.

this is why i will never lose my virginity card too

[Anonymous No.11288433]

I don't actively go looking to talk about philosophy, but my friends and family all know me as something of a boffin who's head is full of weird esoteric ideas that sometimes leave the privacy of his head.

I usually just let conversations take their course, and if an opportunity to talk about philosophical ideas presents itself (it usually does) I just drop some random theories about group psychology or metaphysics or whatever and then people start talking about it in whichever form suits them.

A philosopher's work is never done.

[Anonymous No.11288482]

just ask them what they think about free will

if they are a determinist, I'll undermine the idea that causality is true knowledge of reality

if they are a libertarian, I'll just undermine the idea that free will is something intelligible, that it's just as unintelligible as this "0≥%9⌠u4nSD(uf"

[Anonymous No.11288490]

>>11288482
>if they are an X, I'll just be intellectually dishonest

[Anonymous No.11288509]

>>11284873
"You Kant make me."

[Anonymous No.11288521]

>>11288509
Daily reminder Kant is pronounced "kunt."

[Anonymous No.11288526]

>>11288521
Ok, Kant.

[Anonymous No.11288533]

Just

[Anonymous No.11288537]

>>11288521
He's pronounced /kænt/

[Anonymous No.11288566]

>>11284894
unironically

[Anonymous No.11288589]

>>11288490
you should be able to debate both sides of an argument

[Anonymous No.11288603]

>>11288537
t.Brit

[Anonymous No.11288615]

>>11284873
>>11285861

WOVON MAN NICHT SPRECHEN KANN, DAVON MUSS MAN SCHWEIGEN

[Anonymous No.11288635]

>>11286569
How about
>i don't wish to share a planet with creatures this ignorant, stupid and sure of themselves
?

[Anonymous No.11288653]

>>11284873
I can doubt my body but I cannot doubt my mind. Therefore the mind and body are separate.

[Anonymous No.11288698]

>>11288653
I'm a human and therefore can doubt my mind.
What the fuck are you?

[Anonymous No.11288740]

>>11288482
Your reply to a determinist is rubbish.

[Anonymous No.11289433]

You should do it the old school way and just ask them to define virtue.

[Anonymous No.11289463]

The entrenched government-assisted academic's motivation is one of stagnation. Ayn Rand represented a philosophic paradigm shift of a magnitude only twice before witnessed in the persons of Aristotle and John Locke. This carried very grave implications for a particular breed of academic (this is also the perogative of /lit/'s small to medium r/philosophy neetfag contingent). Ayn Rand's Objectivism posited conceptual integration and the true nature of the conceptual faculty on a level no other philosopher had before. She also coined many original logical fallacies, the term/concept "psycho-epistemology", and was the first to identify the true nature of Altruism's evil. Including it among their (academics) other disparate half formed, half actualized "philosophies", they find it eats everything it comes into contact with. This disrupts their vested interest in keeping a fanciful salad-esque collection of philosophies to catalog away and do nothing objectively meritous with it on their own terms. Despite what these sorts of people would have to say it isn't Ayn Rand but academia as it stands that is "the joke".
I have named this phenomenon "Collectathon Philosophizing".

[Anonymous No.11289535]

>>11284909
t. midwit Harris supporter

[Anonymous No.11289556]

>>11288653
>my mind
>my

[Anonymous No.11289687]

Nothing matteres, all is illusion, your actions are purely symbolic.

[Anonymous No.11289694]

I am

[Anonymous No.11289695]

>>11285069
nuke america, now

[Anonymous No.11289701]

>>11289695
>nuke america, now
t. chomsky

[Anonymous No.11289733]

>>11287532
just do what I did
>do it anyways
>graduate and be unemployed for 3 years
>be forcibly admitted to funny farm
>do nothing but talk philosophy with the patients
Once you're cleared of your schizophrenia, you'll walk outta there truly enlightened.

[Anonymous No.11289741]

>>11288653

>I am still stuck in Cartesian metaphysics
>I conflate epistemological claims with ontological claims
>I still subscribe to the mind/body dichotomy

How's the 1600's working out for you?

[Anonymous No.11289762]

>>11289741
where does one learn proper Dialectic? Kierkegaard is always talking about it from Hegel. Your second > reminded me of it you see so I thought I'd ask.

[Anonymous No.11289787]

>>11289762
>where does one learn proper Dialectic?
Adorno

[Anonymous No.11289790]

>>11289787
thanks will check out

[Anonymous No.11289823]

>>11289762

Plato, I'd say. A qualified reading of Plato, that is, something that is unfortunately all too rare. Kierkegaard uses pretty much the same shtick that Plato did - Kierkegaard with pseudonyms, Plato with dialogues rather than manifestos. While Kierkegaard is heavily inspired by Hegel, don't forget that he wrote his doctoral thesis on Socratic irony. He is heavily inspired by Platonic dialectics as well.

[Anonymous No.11289827]

>>11289790
check this one out. its a really good introduction
https://www.amazon.de/Introduction-Dialectics-Christoph-Ziermann/dp/0745693113

[Anonymous No.11289832]

>>11289827
heres an overview
https://www.wiley.com/en-us/An+Introduction+to+Dialectics-p-9780745679440

[Anonymous No.11289911]

>>11289823
>>11289827
>>11289832
Oh yea I've read a good portion of Plato, I'll give him a more intense study though.

[Anonymous No.11289921]

>>11289911
also I forgot to say thanks

[Anonymous No.11289969]

>>11289556
it's called self-ownership friend. 2nd rule for life is Treat yourself like someone you are responsible for helping. We are all responsible for our own selves. No one else has that obligation.

[Anonymous No.11289977]

>tfw history guy
No