The Vatican Archives

[Anonymous No.11280021]

Child fucking aside; why aren't the Vatican archives made public? Hording knowledge in an attempt to keep the public ignorant of the past is abhorrent.

Why are intellectuals not in a constant uproar over this issue?

[Anonymous No.11280031]

>>11280021
because the catholic church is actually Satan, duh

[Anonymous No.11280036]

>hording

[Anonymous No.11280039]

>thinks [[[They]]] would ever allow (((Them))) to reveal anything

[Anonymous No.11280040]

>>11280021
>Reeee they should be made public
Because a majority of those works are literally priceless and your disgusting Cheeto encrusted pleb fingers have no business touching them

[Anonymous No.11280044]

>>11280040

They could easily scan them into digital form in less than a year.

[Anonymous No.11280047]

>>11280021
>the Vatican should publish their collaboration with Nazis
Good thread, OP. Thanks for posting it.

( O)_( O)

[Anonymous No.11280057]

>>11280047

Yea...then all those Jews would leave the Catholic faith.

Can't have that now.

[Anonymous No.11280062]

>>11280021
Why doesn’t someone just dissolve the catholic church and make the archives available to everyone? What influence does the church even have and who would even care at this point in time?

[Anonymous No.11280066]

>>11280062
Not everyone is a peabrained short-sighted atheist like you, nerd. The Church has its uses, especially to politicians.

[Anonymous No.11280071]

>>11280062

"Someone" you say.
But nah though, the public needs the "noble lie"; otherwise they would implode.

[Anonymous No.11280076]

>>11280062
They are a billion dollar business that has their own fucking state. You'll have an easier time dissolving Apple.

[Anonymous No.11280103]

>>11280062
this nigger said dissolve the catholic church im schleep
hope you're 14, anon

[Anonymous No.11280121]

>>11280062
>What influence does the church even have
lel c'mon now

[Anonymous No.11280133]

>>11280062

[Anonymous No.11280136]

>>11280021
>why aren't the Vatican archives made public?
They are you just have to register like any regular library only difference is that its not open to people with only an undergraduate degree. Look into the Special Collections in your own state/national library and you will see the same process. Rare and fragile documents cant be treated like mass market paperbacks

> Hording knowledge in an attempt to keep the public ignorant of the past is abhorrent.
Barley any of the documents from the past are restricted though, its all stuff which is post 1939 but even that is treated like cabinet documents in that they are released and made open after a set amount of time.

>Why are intellectuals not in a constant uproar over this issue?
Because they have access to the documents they desire and seek.

Admit it you didnt you actually give this any real research and just assumed that just because it didnt work like a local library it must be some sinister conspiracy.

[Anonymous No.11280144]

>>11280057
>Yea...then all those Jews would leave the Catholic faith.
So a new Pope then? Sounds like a win-win.

[Anonymous No.11280145]

>>11280044
Why would they appease the plebs like you? Bill Gates bought an original codex by Da Vinci for $30 million scanned the entire thing and made it free, what did he get in return?

[Anonymous No.11280150]

>>11280145
>appease the plebs
>receive in return
How very Christlike of you, Jesus would be proud

[Anonymous No.11280152]

>>11280062
You realize the Catholic Church is the richest bank in the entire world right?

[Anonymous No.11280158]

>>11280150
>How very Christlike
You're the type of pleb who's never actually read the Bible have you? Bet you misunderstand basic shit like "turn the other cheek" too.

[Anonymous No.11280162]

That feel when the CC probably has a copy of "Against the Christians" that they will never release for obvious reasons.

[Anonymous No.11280192]

>>11280158
I've heard various interpretations of "turn the other cheek" and each one is as baseless as the next and is generally reflective of the personality of the person interpreting it

[Anonymous No.11280206]

Millennia of underage snowdog testing records. They can never let it out or they're fucked.

[Anonymous No.11280212]

>>11280192
>Each one is baseless
Truly you are the most illiterate, lowest class of pleb

[Anonymous No.11280237]

>>11280212
>Stefan_molyneux_argument.png

[Anonymous No.11280273]

>>11280212
Jokes aside the early Christian texts are from a certain time and periode and everyone interpreting them later on are doing it wrong since they aren't part of that culture, especially after the autistic Greeks and Romans standardised the faith through millions of councils. The end product is a standardised faith without any cultural context or passion.

[Anonymous No.11280359]

>>11280044
>>11280021

brainlet on suicide watch, they already have scans available and are adding more all the time

[Anonymous No.11280378]

>>11280273
so how to be a good christian?
any books on this pov?

[Anonymous No.11280412]

>>11280359

Your entire post is based on trusting the Catholic Church to be transparent about their archive. What would ever give you that idea?

[Anonymous No.11280436]

>>11280206

Is this /x/ tier shit;
I can't tell is this is /x/ tier shit.

[Anonymous No.11280437]

>>11280412
The burden of proof falls on you when you make ridiculous statements like that fag. Feel free to become a bishop and tell us all about their sinister intentions of hiding books

[Anonymous No.11280457]

>>11280437

>hiding books

Hiding books is hiding knowledge you magnificent twat
the absolute state of /lit/...

[Anonymous No.11280464]

>>11280457
Knowledge should be hidden, mass education was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.11280490]

>>11280464

That only works with rigidly established social castes. When everyone is "equal" under the law, the weak group together and prey on the strong and individual. Therefore education is a necessity for the animals so they don't rape and pillage the society that greater men built before them and they simply inhabit.

Also "mass education" implies they are being taught factual premises; in reality the curriculum is molded by liberal politics (post cold war) or conservative politics (pre cold war).

[Anonymous No.11280496]

>>11280136
I like it

[Anonymous No.11280513]

>>11280464
true but im different from the rest because genius so gimme gimme gimme

[Anonymous No.11280559]

Most of them are public in a practical sense but it is a private library so it will never be open to just anybody who wants to waltz in there and rub their greasy hands on priceless historical records. A good bit of the stuff has been digitized and available freely on the internet. The "secret" stuff are things like baptism and marriage records from countries that persecute believers so they won't be made available since they would aid in that persecution.

[Anonymous No.11280587]

I think you're allowed to publicly access everything except the evil books--you know, grimoires and stuff. I know there's a few literally bound in human skin that the Vatican keeps under lock and key.

[Anonymous No.11280595]

>>11280587
>I know there's a few literally bound in human skin that the Vatican keeps under lock and key.

What's your source on that? Also what the ever loving fuck would be in those books?

[Anonymous No.11280601]

>>11280587
You have to be 18 years or older to post on this website.

[Anonymous No.11280604]

how does one gain access to them? Do you need to be a student or something?

>>11280587
are they only available at the Vatican?

[Anonymous No.11280605]

>>11280158
>C-christianty is actually badass you guys! Look this passage about Jesus and swords!

[Anonymous No.11280621]

>>11280021
Probably because the books are incredibly rare and possibly very fragile so in fear of it being ruined even more no one can physically touch them without special permission. But like >>11280359 said there are scans so just read those

[Anonymous No.11280625]

>>11280436
>this nigga don't know bout snowdogs

[Anonymous No.11280626]

>>11280359
where can one access the scans?

[Anonymous No.11280669]

>>11280626
Lurk moar faggot

[Anonymous No.11280672]

>>11280669
JUST GIVE ME THE GODDAMN SITE

[Anonymous No.11280679]

>>11280071
this desu, the grim spectre of the dying church is literally the only thing holding western civilization together at this point

[Anonymous No.11280690]

>>11280021
I want to read their trystero stuff

[Anonymous No.11280712]

>>11280062
Not only do they have endless financial resources, but they have something no business has which are members who have committed their whole lives and well being to the church.

[Anonymous No.11280743]

>>11280712

They also have dirt. Endless mountains of fucking dirt. On just about every country, leader, or influential individual to ever live and make enough of a difference to matter.

Confessional booths are goddamn genius.

[Anonymous No.11280755]

>>11280743
I thought they were supposed to be mini-therapy boxes

[Anonymous No.11280763]

>>11280679
>dying

Maybe in YOUR country, Westerner.

[Anonymous No.11280786]

>>11280062

[Anonymous No.11280788]

>>11280763
>chinks and nigs are more western than americans
what a time to be alive

[Anonymous No.11280801]

>>11280788
It's funny because this is technically the second time that Africa is going to save the Church from heresy that is supported by the pope.

[Anonymous No.11280808]

>>11280788
Catholicism and Christianity in general are not “Western”

[Anonymous No.11280821]

>>11280808
>Catholicism and Christianity in general are not “Western”

[Anonymous No.11280823]

Religion is legitimately holding back a lot of shit. Fuck conservatives.

[Anonymous No.11280827]

>>11280755

Haha no. Empires have fallen because important men spoke a bit too candidly in those boxes.

[Anonymous No.11280839]

The church has proof that Stitchen was right and they have to keep the lid on this at all times to prevent he Church being undone, meanwhile the high ranking members (Cardinals) know the truth.

[Anonymous No.11280847]

>>11280823

Religion is stopping the sub human IQ retards that still believe in them from raping your bitch ass and killing your entire family. The Noble Lie is the literal foundation of civilized humanity.

>Fuck conservatives.
Grow the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.11281664]

>>11280827
Which? Pls explain anon?

[Anonymous No.11281699]

they aren't interested in scoring an own goal by helping Gnosticism make a comeback

[Anonymous No.11281707]

>>11280062
>dissolving a country

[Anonymous No.11281768]

>>11280823
You should probably feel embarrassment for being this much of a faggot

[Anonymous No.11281925]

its because they contain the documents concerning dealings with aliens
read behold a pale horse

[Anonymous No.11281935]

>>11280823
>legitimately holding back a lot of shit
tfw you can't fuck dogs cause of le fucking conservative grandma t. you

[Anonymous No.11281954]

>>11280021
ur retard u can go in there and ask to see them and u probably can

[Anonymous No.11281958]

>>11280412
ZOMG.. what r they hiding from us

[Anonymous No.11281965]

>>11281925
You know that he later realized that was GITD’s messing with him, right?

[Anonymous No.11281973]

>>11280823
I can almost smell the underage in this post. There is no way on earth you are older than 17.

[Anonymous No.11281984]

>>11281965
i know he eventually came to believe it was all disinformation they probably just got to him, and then killed him anyway

[Anonymous No.11282144]

>>11280823
Holding back what, exactly?

[Anonymous No.11282206]

Too soon

[Anonymous No.11282213]

>>11282206

For?

[Anonymous No.11282253]

>>11280823
>Religion is legitimately holding back a lot of shit.
Such as? We've already legalized murdering babies in the womb and fucking other men in the ass, what more do you want?

[Anonymous No.11283100]

>>11280158
Let's be real... Anyone who goes on 4chan doesn't actually follow the Bible.

[Anonymous No.11283118]

>>11280457
Is this from Idiot Abroad? I don't remember that episode.

[Anonymous No.11283121]

Only the last 40 years are hidden are they not?

[Anonymous No.11283136]

>>11280672
https://digi.vatlib.it

[Anonymous No.11283162]

>>11280672
https://digi.vatlib.it

[Anonymous No.11283190]

>>11280039
>[[[They]]]

vatican reptilians amerca bel

[Anonymous No.11283242]

>>11280066
>The Church has its uses,
Like raping children and hoarding riches? Would probably be better off without them.

[Anonymous No.11283853]

>>11280021
child fucking

[Anonymous No.11283889]

>>11280150
>if you see a man without a shirt, laugh at him cause poors are yucky

[Anonymous No.11284255]

>>11283242
>Would probably be better off without them.

yes!
islam tho

[Anonymous No.11284798]

>>11283136
>>11283162
Shame they have that ugly fucking watermark all over them.

[Anonymous No.11284818]

>>11283162
they have mayan manuscripts holy shit. based pedophile drug money launderers >>11284798
its ok, did you see the fucking mayan manuscript!

[Anonymous No.11284826]

>>11280062
What's it like being twelve?

[Anonymous No.11286689]

>>11280827
>>11281664
None. No priest has ever ended an empire because of a confessional booth.

[Anonymous No.11286714]

>>11280062
And a tiparoo to you too

[Anonymous No.11288188]

>>11280021
>intellectuals

[Anonymous No.11288191]

>>11280021
>HURR ME WANT WHY YOU NO GIVE? ME WANT
What makes you think you have a right to someone else's library?
>Why are intellectuals not in a constant uproar?
On what basis? Should I be in an uproar because my neighbour doesn't let me use his hot tub?
Why are leftists so entitled?

[Anonymous No.11288192]

>>11280062
>Why don't I just dissolve someone else's organisation?

[Anonymous No.11288198]

>>11280136
/thread

[Anonymous No.11288257]

>>11280021
Every time the Library of Alexander was burnt or raided it was by great leaders of other nations, surely they would have taken many of the important books for their own archives? The last leader to take the library was Caesar, so wouldn't it be likely the Vatican has books from the Library of Alexander?

Perhaps they won't release books because they talk about histories of the ancient world we don't know about, such as the fact Dynastic Egyptians inherited the Sphinx and the pyramids and just maintained them, not created them, and the fact human civilisation is much older than we know.

[Anonymous No.11288265]

>>11283100
Yes they do.

[Anonymous No.11288284]

>>11283118
I think it's from The Moaning of Life, his other show. Ricky and Steve weren't involved, and while it had good moments, it was lacklustre in comparison to idiot abroad.

[Anonymous No.11288288]

>>11280595
>what the ever loving fuck would be in those books
the rarest of Pepes

[Anonymous No.11288296]

>>11280823
What, in 2018 is being held back by religion? Other than paedophilia. Abortions, gay/women/trans rights, divorce, euthanasia, and more is all legal and encouraged.

You're a literal idiot. Stay off Tumblr and wait until you're at least 18 before posting here again.

[Anonymous No.11288895]

>>11280743
Why are you posting a picture of my ancestor

[Anonymous No.11288924]

>>11288895

It was unrelated to my post anon; no offense was meant. Your ancestor captures my sense of dread in his work so I included it to punctuate my post. Did you inherit any of his talents?

[Anonymous No.11288959]

>>11280021
They've probably got like every important book on far ancient history and more recent books on Jesus/the Church that they're covering up.

[Anonymous No.11288992]

>>11288959
yes probably the books with Christ marrying and having kids, and other not so kosher things on religion..

[Anonymous No.11288993]

>>11284818
you will never sail back to europe thumbing the pages of your newly acquired mayan manuscript before handing it over to the pope, fuck sake they all better back then

[Anonymous No.11289010]

>>11288924
Just kidding, it's just funny to see it like that. I don't even know I'm his direct descendant though I bear his name.
But if you like the painting I can tell you the story. It is his only known work, and it represents the famous romantic painter Géricault, who died painfuly bedridden. Years before Géricault had painted him in his chef d'œuvre Le Radeau de la Méduse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Raft_of_the_Medusa
Only 3 survived the incident out of ~150, Géricault found those 3 men and asked them to help for the painting, going as far as asking to pose as to incorporate them in it. You can see Correard in the middle, pointing his arm toward the horizon.

I like to imagine they remained friends after this collaboration throughout the years, and that my "ancestor" visited him in his last moments, capturing the loss of his friend in this painting. I have no discernable talent for painting or engineering, however.

[Anonymous No.11289031]

>>11289010
13 out of 150*
Another fun fact, this painting was mainly realised in the morgue of an hospital I now live 10 minutes away from.

[Anonymous No.11289039]

>>11289031
apparently its also dennis nilsen a serial killers favourite painting, think he enjoyed the dead young men

[Anonymous No.11289056]

>>11289039
How fun!
Last fun fact for the day, Gericault's painting will be gone in the next 20 years. Back then they used bitumen in the paint to solidify it, and it has begun some years ago to turn black. I've seen in myself at the Louvre, it's very apparent on the darkest areas like around the mast. Soon the entire painting will turn black.

[Anonymous No.11289061]

>>11289010

That's pretty fucking neato anon. There's nothing more stimulating or haunting than diving into the mind and motivations of a capably talented artist. Thanks for sharing that with us.

I don't even know I'm his direct descendant though I bear his name.
>Is it really that common of a surname? Or was Géricault as good at pushing cock as a paintbrush?

>I have no discernable talent for painting or engineering, however.
Eh, the genetic lottery can be a real inconsistent and fickle bitch sometimes. Can't win them all; amirite lol

[Anonymous No.11289073]

>>11289061
Correard isn't a "common" surname, however there's a good thousand of us around and I've found no trace or mention of him having children. We all come from the same original family from this area nonetheless, so at worse he's a distant uncle.

[Anonymous No.11289077]

>>11280062

>we should dissolve this charitable enterprise for our own selfish desires

[Anonymous No.11289120]

>>11289056
thats neat

[Anonymous No.11289138]

>>11289073

You really lucked out in being able to trace your lineage. My last name just means "son of will/wilson"; and there have been a metric fuckton of Wills and Williams throughout history.

[Anonymous No.11289148]

>>11289138
Yeah I think it's a chance too. Though I'm constantly being confused for a portuguese because I'm kind of hairy and there's a fuckton of Correa or Correia running around

[Anonymous No.11289171]

>>11289148

fug the Portuguese
>pic related

[Anonymous No.11289174]

>>11280212

Nah, you’re just a /pol/ack redneck or egotistical conservative.

[Anonymous No.11289180]

>>11289171
Portugal isn't sending their best here, but the history of the Correia family is interesting in itself. Pretty country aswell

[Anonymous No.11289872]

>>11280036
He’s clearly a brainlet Brit. Don’t be cruel.

[Anonymous No.11290284]

>>11280136
Do you have any sources?
Just looking to learn more about it.

[Anonymous No.11291620]

bump

[Anonymous No.11291622]

>>11289174
Oh shit those are some nice and spooky boogeymen you've got there.

[Anonymous No.11291889]

>>11280605
I like the passage about a priest summoning a bear to maul kids more personally.

[Anonymous No.11291913]

>>11280062
>how could an organization with billions of "members" and theoretical access to bottomless pool of gold possibly have enough influence to preserve itself

[Anonymous No.11292007]

>>11291889

That that's pretty fucking hardcore.
I bet on the 7th day after he was done with creation he jammed out to some Slayer.

[Anonymous No.11292360]

>>11280464
>Mass education was a mistake
Fuck off no one needs the elitism who the hell are you to determine whether or not a book should be read or not

[Anonymous No.11292422]

>>11280021
Who cares, most of the people here wouldn't be able to read anything in the archives till some robot translated something. I bet they got some sort of book that would drive the reader insane with the dark knowledge they would gain from reading it.

[Anonymous No.11292516]

>>11280021
implying they want the plebs to have the hidden knowledge contained within

[Anonymous No.11293201]

>>11280595
a few already exist in American collections in the open i doubt something with the powers of the catholic church doesn't have a few

[Anonymous No.11294808]

>>11280021
Institutions all over the world do this, you fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.11295987]

>>11280595

[Anonymous No.11296086]

>>11288257
I'm thinking the same thing

[Anonymous No.11297393]

bump

[Anonymous No.11298393]

The Catholic Church is still very much a magical organisation (or if that offends your sensibilities, "psychological".)

They have a very strong interest in keeping certain knowledge to themselves - now, I don't believe this knowledge is truly insidious, just that if released to the public it could provide compelling reasons to stop offering consciousness energy to them, such as >>11281699 points out.

Besides, as a magical organisation, they need to maintain an aura of secrecy and mystery, or else the awe they excerpt over unenlightened people will lessen.

[Anonymous No.11298671]

>>11295987
Why don't we just dissolve the library of Alexandria lol

[Anonymous No.11298680]

>>11280136

There's no such thing as post-grad. They perform prefrontal lobotomies and implant control chips during "dissertation." We can hardly be expected to go through that just to read a fucking book.

[Anonymous No.11298684]

>>11280062

[Anonymous No.11298755]

>>11291622
Please kill yourself, you're terrible at this and no one likes you.

[Anonymous No.11298852]

>>11283100
What kind of summer

[Anonymous No.11299001]

>>11280490
>the curriculum is molded by liberal politics (post cold war) or conservative politics (pre cold war)
It's not nearly that simple. Region makes a big difference. Places in the south are still trying to teach creationism and shit.

[Anonymous No.11300385]

>>11298684
That's a new one, I'll be saving that thank you.

[Anonymous No.11300513]

>>11298393
Which is why they’re digitizing everything in the collection u fat fuck

[Anonymous No.11300568]

>>11288257
>Dynastic Egyptians inherited the Sphinx and the pyramids and just maintained them, not created them, and the fact human civilisation is much older than we know.

High culture started with Sumerians and the people of the Indus Valley as far as one knows. People can identify the age of an object using e.g. radio-carbon methods, why do you think age determination it's based on scripture only?

[Anonymous No.11300659]

>>11288257
>america invented acient Egypt
jfc, this has gone too far

[Anonymous No.11300742]

>>11280021
What if they have the rest of Sappho though?

[Anonymous No.11301534]

>>11300568
What about Gobekli Tepe?

[Anonymous No.11301584]

>>11280808
Christianity maybe not but Catholicism is basically romanized christianity

[Anonymous No.11303248]

>>11282253
>fetuses are babies
>faggots are men

[Anonymous No.11303293]

>>11280823
Not nearly as much as it used to. It's becoming obsolete, in the west, and right now I think all it really holds back is the people who follow it. Definitely fuck conservatives, however.
>>11288296
>religion is holding back pedophilia
My fucking sides.

[Anonymous No.11303299]

>>11280847
>>11281768
>>11281935
>>11281973
>>11282144
>>11282253
>>11288296
Not him, but if you want to see what religion holds back, I'd suggest looking to the middle east.

[Anonymous No.11304551]

>>11303293
Teachers are more likely to be paedophiles than priests, maybe the issue is paedophiles gaining access to jobs around kids, and not specifically priests? Unless you're talking about Muslim child brides.

But the point still stands, everything Religion is against is promoted and encouraged in the West, so how is it holding them back?

[Anonymous No.11304928]

>>11280062
>billions of followers
>one of the largest banks on the planet
>a vault containing 2 millennia of gold, priceless religious texts and artifacts
>has its own country
>currently 25% of all US politicians are catholic, not even including those who follow different sects of Catholicism

[Anonymous No.11304950]

>>11280152
Wrong
http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/24/news/pope-francis-visit-vatican-catholic-church/index.html
Even times a factor of 20, wrong

[Anonymous No.11305063]

>>11280192
*tips fedora*

[Anonymous No.11305075]

>>11282253
It doesn't matter if it's now legal to them. They want to not be judged for it from your evil christian mindset.

>If I want to have my wife's son jamal pos my neghole, then I shouldn't have to be shamed for it

[Anonymous No.11305084]

>>11280152
I don't know how true that is. (((they))) would never allow it since it's an insult to their pride as top goblin