/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11173643]

all artists are materialist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpeYULTEpFM

[Anonymous No.11173715]

>>11173643
>15.58
mate

[Anonymous No.11173743]

why is fantana so buttblasted by peterson? Is it envy?

[Anonymous No.11173749]

Peterson was right though. Religion is what inspires people to create art.

[Anonymous No.11173754]

He is subscribed to /ourguy/ greg sadler so he is alright in my book.

[Anonymous No.11173755]

why does he sound so salty

it's almost as bad as a peterson thread on /lit/

[Anonymous No.11173759]

>>11173749
no

[Anonymous No.11173769]

>>11173759
Why are you even on a Catholic literature forum?

[Anonymous No.11173773]

You lose God, you lose beauty as a value in art, and get an environment where skill and mastery of your craft is viewed as passé. Everything starts to serve personal expression and meta-wankery, leading to the garbage we get in art galleries today. That and political propaganda.

[Anonymous No.11173779]

>>11173769

[Anonymous No.11173780]

>>11173773
lol homie come on

[Anonymous No.11173781]

>>11173769
Look, art created in the name of god can be good, but god is not a pre-requisite for art. Yes, the Catholics make some good literature, but that doesn't mean all literature has to be based on religion

[Anonymous No.11173783]

I don't get it, Peterson isn't even religious. Does he just parrot it because of its cultural importance?

[Anonymous No.11173789]

>>11173781
It doesn't have to be based on the religion, the creator is still doing it through God's influence.

[Anonymous No.11173792]

>>11173780
>homie

[Anonymous No.11173794]

>>11173643
Art is religious in and of itself, frogmeme is right

[Anonymous No.11173795]

>>11173773
The Greeks didn't believe in God you dumb christfaggot. Not that your stupid argument makes any sense anyway.

[Anonymous No.11173799]

>>11173743
>>11173755
He's having a identity crisis and handling it horribly, he's been having major trouble coming to terms with his increasingly conservative outlook and even tried flirting with the alt-right for a while, attacking Peterson is his outlet of what he believes is wrong with the religious right.

[Anonymous No.11173802]

>>11173795
>The Greeks were atheists

[Anonymous No.11173803]

>>11173795
This. Edith Hamilton told me that Greeks used their Gods as more of a sitcom to entertain them and to be able to relate to them.

[Anonymous No.11173804]

>>11173795
>The Greeks didn't believe in God
uwotm8

[Anonymous No.11173808]

>>11173749
I honestly can't tell if you people are actually this fucking retarded or if I'm getting baited really hard

[Anonymous No.11173813]

>>11173802
They are like the modern Chinese, atheist but heavily superstitious.

[Anonymous No.11173817]

>>11173789
No, you can't just say all things are influenced by god. That's like me saying i have an everything proof shield in pretend

[Anonymous No.11173818]

>>11173802
>>11173804
>The Greeks were Christians
*tips fedora* ahem... wrong!

[Anonymous No.11173827]

>>11173803
>Edith Hamilton
Jesus Christ don't remind me anon, her Mythology was so fucking bad.

[Anonymous No.11173834]

>b-but atheists can create a-art too!
>pieta

checkmate

[Anonymous No.11173835]

>>11173643
Usually like Fantano but I had to stop watching after his exegesis of JBP results in a false dichotomy of ‘god literally inspired’ vs ‘institutions of religion influence.
I think what he’s missing is real Art has elevated stakes, and those stakes usually have to do with God. Are there Gods? Do they influence us/look after us? (Brothers K, Oresteia, King Lear). What does God want from us, does he have prescribed morals? (Again, Brothers K, Hamlet, etc) Great Art I think has to brush up against the questions of the divine. Otherwise it’s for pure consumption. Fantano might just be butthurt, like the other anon said

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.11173841]

>>11173643
I think Peterson is saying that the religious instinct is inseparable from the artistic one, and that there's no room for art in a purely materialist culture where representation can only function as a form of anthropology (many early Marxists espoused this notion). Melon needs to read more aesthetic philosophy

[Anonymous No.11173845]

>>11173749
Religion and religious texts can inspire how art is crafted or influence it, but I don't think a lot of art is inspired directly by religion (save for the overt religious ones)

[Anonymous No.11173850]

He (melon) mixed up religion and god. No artists are "godless" but they very well may not believe in god.

[Anonymous No.11173851]

>>11173743
Peterson is a middle tier intellect and Fantano is slush tier. He hates that a conservative(?) person is so far above him and this manifests as bitchy impotent rage

[Anonymous No.11173856]

>>11173841
It's actually much simpler that that, Peterson's concept of religion is incredibly board and Jungian, many things we no longer consider to be religious he still does.

[Anonymous No.11173858]

art is a wholly spiritual and transcendental endeavour, atheism rejects any such pursuits

[Anonymous No.11173859]

>>11173808
>posts van gogh
>who has like 12 mystic aphorisms
ur smart

[Anonymous No.11173862]

>>11173643

[Anonymous No.11173863]

>>11173817
God created everything dude

[Anonymous No.11173866]

>>11173862
epic, simply savage

[Anonymous No.11173870]

>>11173851
Yeah he thinks that just because he is popular that he can be a voice of reason.

[Anonymous No.11173871]

>>11173808
Nice pic, even though it’s not a rare piece of art. Artist’s like Van Gogh thought that art could satisfy the religious impulse in man. It’s a pretty unsophisticated idea to suggest that today’s art of “personal expression” is the result of a lack of god/religion. Broad brush comment that gives no thought to the fat and stuffy art market that exalts what christianfags might use as their example in this argument. Peterson gets attention because he debates people with average to slightly above average intelligence that aren’t very well read.
>cries about young men

[Anonymous No.11173875]

>>11173863
There is no proof of that though, other then unreliable texts that, while do have nice morals and stories, are full of contradictions and such.

[Anonymous No.11173878]

>>11173859
>>11173871
See my comment. Van Gogh rejected the Christian god that Peterson tries to insert into people’s motive. Art is the only viable spiritual pursuit, and artists must be free from religious institutions.

[Anonymous No.11173881]

>>11173643
Is he being purposefully dense?

[Anonymous No.11173888]

>>11173878
>Van Gogh rejected the Christian god

Why would absolute love care if you reject it? I don't think you understand

[Anonymous No.11173890]

>>11173871
>even though it’s not a rare piece of art.
what did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.11173892]

>>11173878
>Van Gogh rejected the Christian god
Pretty fucking wrong my dude.

[Anonymous No.11173902]

>>11173743
Why wouldn't he be? Peterson is an uncultured, proto-brained cro-magnon antique: droll beyond compare; a self-help guru masquerading as the second coming of Christ for those too dumb and destitute to think for themselves. I'm fucking mad too.

[Anonymous No.11173909]

>>11173892
Just because he made a painting of jesus doesn't mean he believed in it. Does that mean the guy who put jesus in a jar of piss believed in Christianity?

[Anonymous No.11173910]

>>11173902
>tfw to destitute to think

[Anonymous No.11173913]

>>11173643
>that part at the end where he makes fun of people inspired by religious art
It's pathetic that this is how people think now. This attitude is antithetical to art.

[Anonymous No.11173914]

>>11173909
>Does that mean the guy who put jesus in a jar of piss believed in Christianity?
Funnily enough the guy who did Piss Christ is in fact a believing Christian

[Anonymous No.11173917]

>>11173892
https://www.vangoghmuseum.nl/en/125-questions/questions-and-answers/question-23-of-125
And
>I can very well do without God both in my life and in my painting, but I cannot, suffering as I am, do without something which is greater than I am, which is my life, the power to create

[Anonymous No.11173920]

>>11173909
>thinking putting Jesus who is already crucified in piss is some great insult

it's only offensive to people who don't understand Christianity, yeah he could have believed in it

[Anonymous No.11173927]

>>11173917
>but I cannot, suffering as I am, do without something which is greater than I am, which is my life, the power to create

holy shit, atheists BTFO
this is literally the heart of the problem

[Anonymous No.11173937]

>>11173927
y-yeah a-atheist btfo r-right

[Anonymous No.11173941]

>>11173937
go to bed fantano, you're out of touch with your audience

[Anonymous No.11173947]

>>11173779
>reddit
>christian
pick one.

[Anonymous No.11173949]

>>11173902
What's wrong with helping people too dumb to sort their shit out on their own? Even for sheckls? Do these people gushing with their gratitude for the advice that, regardless how obvious or simplified you want to make it, finally sunk into their heads and changed their lives for the better actually deserve contempt because it was obvious to you from the start?

[Anonymous No.11173951]

>this thread

[Anonymous No.11173958]

>>11173947
The Bible is literally in their top ten favourite books

[Anonymous No.11173959]

>>11173888
The problem is that absolute love which is a perfectly good God is claimed by corrupt institutions that rape boys

>>11173890
By this I just meant it was a nice pic, even though when the average person thinks of art they think of something like Starry night. It’s a beautiful painting.

[Anonymous No.11173960]

>>11173927
Not really
The power to create is simply just a trait. Saying it's a god given trait is a very bold claim, and one that can't be proven

[Anonymous No.11173961]

>>11173909
>Person who studied theology, took the entrance exam to become a priest and enter a seminary then got fired from a mission because of excessive zealotry and painted Christian paintings throughout his life couldn't have possibly been a Christian
I guess.

[Anonymous No.11173962]

>>11173749
He's right and he's wrong, but if he had actually read Derrida he'd see that it's not necessarily religion (especially the Christian one) as the archon of artistic production but onto-theology and the metaphysics of presence. I think he hints at this idea when he says artists -think- they are godless, because -- and this is a Derridean point of view -- we cannot simply escape onto-theology, and secular art is still produced within that economy of presence that legitimises capital-A 'art' as we know it, from central Italy and through the early modern academies, even though it is not using Christianity or history as an overt theme (although I'd add that the history of art is the theme of history in art, or more specifically history painting in the avant-garde or post-avant-garde period we find ourselves in today).

[Anonymous No.11173963]

>>11173958
They only read to OWN the Xtians.

[Anonymous No.11173964]

>>11173949
yes

you have to understand that atheists are primarily motivated by hatred for everything and everyone, they want to cause you as much pain as they can, like this >>11173951

[Anonymous No.11173971]

>>11173773
Beauty in art is something introduced through paganism not the church. Christian art before the Renaissance wasn't concerned with beauty at all, so beauty is not related to God.

[Anonymous No.11173975]

Does atheism mean you cannot be spiritual? You absolutely do not need to believe in the Christian God to have faith or belief in the same powerful sense as Christians might. So if you do not need Christianity, and can be spiritual and still have that powerful guiding emanance, can atheiests not also have this?

lit seems to hang from Christianity like it's the only way, but it is actually just the most traditional in the context of the Western-canon of art.

[Anonymous No.11173976]

>I don't understand how, up to now, an atheist could know there is no God and not kill himself at once. To recognize that there is no God, and not to recognize at the same time that you have become God, is an absurdity, otherwise you must necessarily kill yourself. Once you recognize it, you are king, and you will not kill yourself but will live in the chiefest glory. But one, the one who is first, must necessarily kill himself, otherwise who will begin and prove it?

[Anonymous No.11173982]

>>11173964
>you have to understand atheists are motivated by hatred

bad assumption. Most atheists simply don't believe in a higher being because of many reasons, hatred is probably really really low. if anything being taught to hate or at least sow distrust in others is pretty evident in a lot of religious zealotries

[Anonymous No.11173987]

>>11173971
>Beauty in art is something introduced through paganism
>so beauty is not related to God

what is wrong with you, try to think in philosophical terms, instead of some weird semantics born out of hatred of Christianity, you twist the truth until it becomes a lie

[Anonymous No.11173989]

>>11173808
>>11173808
Reddit and the new left like atheists so we have to be devout Christians

[Anonymous No.11173994]

>>11173783
He parrots it because it's what his patreon supporters want to hear

[Anonymous No.11173997]

>>11173964
>Christfaggots circlejerk as usual on how "actually only WE are able to make art you goys and everyone is literally retarded" (>>11173773 >>11173749
>>11173835 >>11173927 >>11173858)
>Accusing others of being hateful

[Anonymous No.11174002]

>>11173987
Is this your way of avoiding the point that Christian art before the Renaissance had nothing to do with the kind of beauty we consider as the sole constitution of the 'artistic' today?

[Anonymous No.11174004]

>>11173749
This is why I hate fucking /lit/ sometimes, people are already spewing shit in the third fucking post.

Art in any way you understand it wasn't even possible within religious societies. There is a reason why the beginning of western art is the Renassaince, it was the first time art was created for it's own reasons. Otherwise, it isn't art.

I should add a disclaimer this concerns mostly the visual arts though.

[Anonymous No.11174005]

>>11173964
the most hateful things in this thread are from religious people. Fantano's video has been up for a day and he already has a huge amount of dislikes just for saying that not all art is inspired by God.

[Anonymous No.11174009]

>>11173975
Christianity is the fullness of the way. The tradition is there to build community, and as a way to orient your life and behavior. To say that everything leads down the same path, and that it doesn't matter at all is an idiotic approach and only exposes your own lack of spirituality.

[Anonymous No.11174016]

>>11174005
>dislikes are pure hatred

ok

[Anonymous No.11174019]

>>11174004
my favorite renaissance painting desu

[Anonymous No.11174025]

>>11174019
>He thinks images are inherently art

gee idk maybe study some aesthetics and art theory

[Anonymous No.11174026]

>>11174005
>Fantano is getting a lot of dislikes
>THIS MUST BE A DAMN RELIGIOUS ZEALOT ARMY TRYING TO TAKE HIM DOWN
Or he could have a retarded opinion that lots of people disagree with.

[Anonymous No.11174027]

>>11174009
I'm being flippant. Of course it doesn't lead down the same way, and even though I don't believe anyone is able to make a judgement of quality on such an abstract matter being Christian is probably the worse pick, if you can be artistic and spiritual without all that tradition.

[Anonymous No.11174029]

>>11174004
>There is a reason why the beginning of western art is the Renassaince, it was the first time art was created for it's own reasons. Otherwise, it isn't art.
What the actual fuck, you realize paintings in ancient Greece were considered the most respected and highest form of art right?

[Anonymous No.11174031]

>>11174025
You misunderstood whatever it is you read.

[Anonymous No.11174034]

>>11173997
I don't think anybody said only Christians can make art. If they did I think they are obviously wrong. The point that people are making, as best as I think I can get it, is that art is inherently Religious in it's function, motives and effects on those who truly participate in it.

[Anonymous No.11174035]

>>11174025
You're going to have a really hard road ahead of you if you're this autistic. Maybe work at a store or something.

[Anonymous No.11174038]

>>11174026
>the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.

[Anonymous No.11174040]

>>11174034
>is that art is inherently Religious in it's function, motives and effects on those who truly participate in it.
Allow me to tip my fedora for a second.

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/13261/sunday-morning

[Anonymous No.11174042]

>>11174026
>>11174016
yes focus on the subjective part and not the irrefutable part

[Anonymous No.11174052]

>>11174042
so you don't believe in absolute truth but you do believe that your own words are irrefutable

[Anonymous No.11174055]

>>11174005
>dislikes just for saying that not all art is inspired by God
I'm pretty sure the main reason is his idiotic reasoning, the statement in itself is not the problem

[Anonymous No.11174056]

>>11174029
You do realize that the relationship between greek society and said paintings / sculptures / tragedies was very different than the West's relation with such objects, right? You also do realize there was a somewhat clear aesthetic/ethical purpose behind those paintings which is pretty much excluded from something like pic related as well, despite the influence and even a certain functionality behind it, right?
>>11174031
Why?
>>11174035
Well why am I autistic?

[Anonymous No.11174058]

>>11174040
Basic gestalt? I don't know much about poetry.

[Anonymous No.11174059]

>>11174038
That is a crippling definition of art. Where is the explanation for the awe one feels in the presence of great art? Where is the importance of preserving ancients works that transcend time and place? Where does it talk about Divine Inspiration? When you look at art as if it's some math equation that needs x+y+z you steal away all of what art truly is. Maybe if you actually created a work of art you would understand why it is inherently religious.

[Anonymous No.11174063]

>>11174019
He said the first time art was created -for its own reasons-. The Renaissance is from where we even get an idea of art as the application of a certain theory designed around an ontology of what art itself is -- that is, theory as the main point of value for artistic production. There is no 'art' outside this sense. The term developed then is what we use to think of images from before the Renaissance and in other cultures and by which we judge accordingly, i.e. cave paintings are unsophisticated art forms in this economy of the term.

[Anonymous No.11174068]

dang this thread has the bait going left and right! this argument has no winners boys and girls so just keep on thinking the way u do (:

[Anonymous No.11174070]

>>11174029
What is the Greek word for art? Techne? Mimesis?

[Anonymous No.11174077]

>>11174068
No-ones leaving this thread alive.

[Anonymous No.11174082]

>>11173862
based

[Anonymous No.11174084]

>>11174068
>>11174077

[Anonymous No.11174100]

>>11174084
Uuuuuuuuuuuum who said I'm a centreist sweetie?

[Anonymous No.11174105]

lol this is just delicious

https://twitter.com/theneedledrop/with_replies

[Anonymous No.11174110]

>>11173878
>and artists must be free from religious institutions.
Coleridge, Milton etc
nice try fag

[Anonymous No.11174115]

>>11174084

sorry anon, you (lol it says (You) in ur post so i think saying you here is funny!) have me, as geazy famously said, fricked up. i do hold one of the beliefs in this thread but i believe that arguing online about silly willy topics is NOT a good pastime. i MEAN it anon!

[Anonymous No.11174131]

>>11174059
See
>>11174040
Is Richard Strauss's art "religious" despite him being an atheist? What do you even mean with "religious" in the first place?>>11174058
Just read the sparknotes page, i'm too tired to explain it.

[Anonymous No.11174143]

>>11174105
Damn that Rebecca chick is killing it.

[Anonymous No.11174145]

>>11173902
ur ideologically possessed
sort urself out
B U C K O

[Anonymous No.11174156]

>>11174131
What makes you think I want to decode the intent of the poem as a response if you can't even be bothered to summarize it yourself?

[Anonymous No.11174159]

>>11174131
Art is religious in the way that it transcends material reality and humanity itself. Art is much more than simply "muh aesthetic", it's more than all the special effects and photorealistic depictions of the world, it exists somewhere outside of reality and the artist simply translates it. This is also why so many artists are seen as crazy, detached, etc because the more they see the divine the less interested they are in the mundane. Art, in all it's forms, is perhaps the most sacred of all religions.

[Anonymous No.11174160]

Who gives a single shit about this double digit IQ youtube loser.

[Anonymous No.11174163]

>>11174160
Soi bois

[Anonymous No.11174178]

lol at /lit/ so buttblasted, not being able to appreciate religion and how much it helped build the West.

more proof that /lit/ is composed of 15 year old pseuds

[Anonymous No.11174184]

>>11174160
>double digit IQ youtube loser
he's not a loser; he's incredibly successful and smart
you don't have to respect the man but this kind of character assassination is pathetic

[Anonymous No.11174189]

>>11174184
Go to bed Cal

[Anonymous No.11174205]

>>11174178
It also hindered it in the christian dark ages, where science was basically blasphemy
Don't pretend that religion has always been a good time for everyone

[Anonymous No.11174213]

>>11174205
>actually believing this

[Anonymous No.11174216]

>>11174004
Redpill me on what illuminated manuscripts and Gothic architecture are if not art.

[Anonymous No.11174218]

>>11174205
>christian dark ages
>where science was basically blasphemy
Go back to /his/ with your ignorance

[Anonymous No.11174223]

>>11174189
I uhh... thought you were talking about Peterson
Fantano is a children's entertainer on the same level of Pewdiepie
complete sellout

[Anonymous No.11174225]

>>11174205
i agree with that.
however, fantano is being disingenous and conflating religion with organized religion. plus, JBP's idea of religion is much broader.

lost a lot of respect for fantano after this

[Anonymous No.11174227]

>>11174223
kekaroo'd

[Anonymous No.11174228]

>>11174004
>There is a reason why the beginning of western art is the Renassaince
you should face repurcussions for this level of ignorance

[Anonymous No.11174235]

>>11174228
I know right? I mean it's not like there's a huge hint of something coming before in the name either or anything.

[Anonymous No.11174239]

>>11174218
>>11174225
Okay, what about the crusades and how much of a shitshow that was

[Anonymous No.11174251]

>>11174239
The crusades? What the fuck does that have to do with anything? What point were you trying to make about "christian dark age" and "science is blasphemy"?

[Anonymous No.11174253]

>>11173643
fantano isn't even a good music critic, he knows barely nothing about journalism and just makes second-rate gonzo video reviews.
The only reason people watch him is that he made himself into a joke that people like to tune in to see and call out numbers they like

peterson is an academic.

Religion is inseperable from art seeing as art started with religious fervor in mind, modern agnostic art might not be religious at all but it still competes with the Sistine Chapel in representation of power.
All art is inherently self-indulgent, even the artists paid to create religious art used paints rather than wealth.

[Anonymous No.11174258]

>>11174251
he's setting bait you idiot you just swallowed it whole like a dumb fish

[Anonymous No.11174261]

>>11173749
Define religion.

[Anonymous No.11174263]

>>11174239
son, this is bait

[Anonymous No.11174267]

>>11174251
>>11174263
I'm saying Christianity hasn't been sunshine and rainbows
If you're christian then fine whatever but don't act like you are the savior of the human race

[Anonymous No.11174271]

>>11174225
>fantano is being disingenous and conflating religion with organized religion
I doubt he watches much of Peteron's stuff, so it's not unreasonable for him to be conflating those two things based on how Peterson talks, since Peterson rarely distinguishes between these two things.

[Anonymous No.11174273]

>>11174271
it's usually not a problem as people who harbor irrational hatred for Christianity don't watch him

[Anonymous No.11174281]

>>11174239
oh wait i meant to reply to >>11174213
Jordan petterson however credits almost all of humanities progress to spirituality and traditions, but that's not true at all

[Anonymous No.11174286]

>>11174156
Because it isn't hard and you, being on a literature board, should become aquainted with one of America's foremost modernists. It's not like I've posted some Hart Crane where you have to reread it twenty times before you understand it.
>>11174159
This is just your opinion, and a pretty silly one at humanity. For one, a lot of great art doesn't even attempt to trascend humanity. Caravaggio, for instance, was opposed to this kind idea of art (the neoplatism in renaissance art is what I'm referring to, but it could be applied to what you said just as well). This is why he choose the models for his paintings between common people, because he wanted to represent the realness of Christ (see for example the call of San Matthew, where the eternal light shines on a biblical scene painted using people, clothes and location typical of Caravaggio's time) by NOT trascending (elevating above, going beyond) but by totalizing. In short, Caravaggio wanted to express how Christ is not above us nor elsewhere from us, but he is us, always, everywhere and in each one of us and in each movement. So in this case we have a piece of art which is both religious and anti-trascendental, which clearly contradicts what you said.
Moving onto a more controversial piece of art, we have Guernica by Picasso. This is also a composition where there isn't a single element that points towards trascendence. Instead, Picasso lays the brutality and the horror of mechanical war before our eyes by using his typical techniques of perspectivization and imitation of tribal art. You could say that he attempts a portrayal of war that aims at universality, but that is, again, not trascendence but totalization.
Other examples of clearly antitrascendetal art is the Wallace Stevens poem that I've already posted or stuff like the De Rerum Natura.
>Art is much more than simply "muh aesthetic"
I have yet to see a strong argument against formalist critics to be quite honest.
>>11174178
I don't think anyone is trying to demean religion here. I think there's a lot of confusion (people using "religious" where the term should be "spiritual") and people acting like monkeys from both sides. If anything, it's christians that want to insist on how all art is religious at all costs despite there being obvious examples of the contrary.

[Anonymous No.11174289]

so this is where all those neo-religious people are coming from, how impressionable they are

[Anonymous No.11174292]

>>11173902
Why is /leftypol/ so buttblasted by Peterson? Is it envy?

[Anonymous No.11174311]

>>11174267
i was the guy above that said i agreed that christianity is not all sunshine, but its influence on art and the way we even think about art is undeniable.
as for myself, i guess im a bad catholic for not going to church (lel), and yes the church does very reprehensible things, but it is simply impossible to escape its influence over my (western) life. my concept of beauty, morals, what wakes me up everyday are undeniably influenced by stories from the bible, whether i notice or not. it is part of our society. and this is what JBP is getting at.

i said that was bait bc you did not explain your point about the crusades. plus, science was not exactly blasphemy, it was more that the church had plenty of control over discoveries, so one had to be careful about what people in universities reported. Not ideal, i agree.

>>11174286
yes, JBP has a closer idea to what we colloquially say "spiritual"

[Anonymous No.11174326]

>>11174311
yeah i kinda fucked up with the replies
But i wouldn't say that art has been influenced by religion always, like for example we have the periods before religion where they had pottery, statues, theres even music that dates back to the nomadic ages

[Anonymous No.11174342]

>>11174326
>we have the periods before religion

[Anonymous No.11174356]

>>11174342
There were no institutions back then
Unless you mean divine inspiration in which case thats very absurd of an argument to make as you'd first need to prove god is real which no one has done well enough yet

[Anonymous No.11174357]

>>11174286
and a pretty silly one at that*
>>11174311
>yes, JBP has a closer idea to what we colloquially say "spiritual"
And I'd argue that even that one is wrong, as not all art is necessarily spiritual (again, Wallace Stevens, Picasso and Lucretius come to mind, but the impressionist, expressionist, Thus Spoke Zarathustra (both Strauss's and Nietzsche's, the transvalutation of all values is precisely anti-spiritual "remain faithful to the Earth, and the first is inspired by it, Invisible Cities by Calvino is a precise challenge to Gadda's "labyrinth of the real" despite being partly inspired by Platonic thought, etc etc etc etc etc).

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.11174359]

>>11174326
>like for example we have the periods before religion
What periods? Religion most likely predates recorded history.

[Anonymous No.11174361]

>>11174286
>this is just your opinion
>this is my opinion and it's right lol
Fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.11174362]

>>11174357
but also the*
impressionists*
expressionists*
I need to sleep

[Anonymous No.11174363]

>>11174326
>for example we have the periods before religion
u fucking wot m8
hint: religion emerged when our ancestors started doing shit like burying the dead

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.11174367]

>>11174356
>There were no institutions back then
Institutional religion doesn't encompass all of religion. When people use the term "religion" they aren't just referring to the Church.

[Anonymous No.11174369]

>>11174359
You don't deserve an answer you dirty tripfag

[Anonymous No.11174371]

Both Peterson and Fantana are pseuds. That said, the Abrahamic religions are losing their purpose in the world, and Peterson's popularity is almost a confirmation of that.

[Anonymous No.11174378]

>>11174369
I don't like tripfags but this guy makes some OKAY points

[Anonymous No.11174379]

>>11174361
Great argument there champ you sure disproved what I said I'm going to read 12 rules for life and donate twelve books to JBP's patreon right fucking now all hail our new jungian prophet

[Anonymous No.11174384]

>>11174379
more like jungian profit
u sound pretty resentful
might you be jealous of another's growing success?

[Anonymous No.11174386]

>>11174369
where does that gif come from?

[Anonymous No.11174388]

>>11174384
kek

[Anonymous No.11174389]

>>11174371
I would have imagined his sky-rocketing popularity is a case for the exact opposite of that.

[Anonymous No.11174395]

>>11174379
I could spell it out for you, but sadly you seem to believe that religion=Christianity and any work of art that does not directly reference the Christian god is automatically non-religious.

[Anonymous No.11174396]

>>11174371
thats a very fedora tipping thing of you to say, given that DFW was a HUGE pseud and killed himself for not handling the real world.

[Anonymous No.11174398]

>>11174386
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFQPBzl8aLk

[Anonymous No.11174402]

>>11174371
>Worship [...] the Four Noble Truths
Jesus he really was stupid wasn't he?

[Anonymous No.11174406]

>>11174389
He's become popular among two groups of people:

1. Extremely clueless manchildren who find his outdated life lessons educational.

2. The religious fringe folks seeking validation for their outdated beliefs.

Neither of these groups represent modern society. They are half-wits living in the past. His popularity is growing because these people are becoming desperate since they can't adapt to regular modern life and no other reason.

[Anonymous No.11174407]

>>11173643
lol i never realised how similar peterson and plantinga's ideas are

SENSUS DIVINITATUS FTW XD

[Anonymous No.11174410]

>>11174389
same desu

[Anonymous No.11174412]

>>11173643
Reminder that he became a CIA circus shill after his meme review channel was suddenly and forcefully shuttered

Anthony CIAtano, deep state shill

[Anonymous No.11174413]

>>11174395
You're reading things that aren't there champ. You (or whoever else it was, idc) defined "being religious" as aiming towards trascendencency of humanity and the material world, I provided examples of the contrary to disprove your (his?) ""argument"".

[Anonymous No.11174416]

>>11174396
DFW wipes the floor with both of them, mate.

[Anonymous No.11174418]

>>11174371
>the Abrahamic religions are holding fast until the lost world collapses and the rebuilding can begin

FTFY

[Anonymous No.11174420]

>>11174413
>You defined "being religious" as aiming towards trascendencency
No I did not, I said that Art simply *IS* transcendental. The works themselves transcend material reality, the artist is just a tool.

[Anonymous No.11174421]

>>11174406
>outdated life lessons
None of his practical psychological advice is outdated

[Anonymous No.11174424]

>>11174205
You have to be over eighteen to post here.

[Anonymous No.11174426]

>>11174406
do you have a single fact to back that up?
i figure the people who idolize peterson are the ones that are actually turning their life around (and adapting to regular modern life)
all our material needs are met in the first world and peterson is using 'ancient wisdom' to let people find their own meaning

[Anonymous No.11174428]

>>11174421
I'm not talking about that, obviously.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.11174431]

>>11174406
>there's a large group of people who can't adapt to contemporary society
If this is true, wouldn't the first step be to question why that is? To look for the cause of that alienation, rather than just dismiss those people altogether?

[Anonymous No.11174435]

>>11174428
That's the source of much of his popularity. His philosophical worldview isn't really the subject of his book.

[Anonymous No.11174437]

>>11174371
Fantano is the biggest psued. At least Peterson can claim authority on psychology, but Fantano isn't even a good music critic.

[Anonymous No.11174439]

>>11173643
I like Fantano but he is has no clue what he's talking about here. Neither of his two interpretations of Peterson's comment are correct. Peterson uses "God" as a stand-in for "Belief in Transcendent Value." Jordan isn't talking about the institution of religion. He isn't talking about a belief in a literal god. He is simply pointing out that without a belief in an objective hierarchy of aesthetic values, art is impossible because it then becomes no different from anything else. There becomes no separation between good art and bad art, or art and inanimate objects. Peterson's definition of "God" is far more useful then the two-dimensional caricature that atheists like Fantano picture in their heads.

[Anonymous No.11174441]

>>11174406
look at this leftist dreg

look at it and laugh as it screeches and scratches, desperately clinging to the torn,tattered and rapidly disintegrating anchor it has in Trump's America and Western civ as a whole

eat my shit nigger

[Anonymous No.11174446]

>>11174441
>leftist
You're clueless.

[Anonymous No.11174449]

>>11174446
>pretending
cute

[Anonymous No.11174452]

>>11174431
BASED MANGUM POSTER

have an up-rose my friend :)

[Anonymous No.11174453]

>>11174449
Oh great, next you're going to say cultural Marxism is a thing and is destroying western civilization as we know it

[Anonymous No.11174456]

>>11174453
get your t levels checked
move out of the urban zone

[Anonymous No.11174457]

can we please close this thread

[Anonymous No.11174458]

>>11174441
i don't agree with him but you didn't actually refute any of his points
these images you posted are attacking a strawman

[Anonymous No.11174460]

>>11174431
>If this is true, wouldn't the first step be to question why that is?
No, because no one besides these people care about these people. And if these people wanted to actually get over their issues and be successful, they should focus more on people who aren't like them or aren't concerned with them, the people who are already successful and for the right reasons.

>>11174449
This is what I mean. Pseuds attract more pseuds. Leftism has nothing to do with anything I'm saying here. Right-wing politics don't rest on the Abrahamic religions.

[Anonymous No.11174464]

i have two interpretations
one:
whatever would inhibit man, in a hypothetical scenario, from developing religion, would also logically inhibit him from developing art. religion and art seem to both arise in man contemporaneously- the burial of dead, early symbolic art, ceremonies/activities that seem to not have a direct survival purpose.
two:
all art is symbolic. technically, a painting is just some goop smudged on canvas or whatever- music is just some noise. that's what animals perceive it as. to have any objective perception of a symbolic thing requires a sort of 'faith' abstraction, a sort of belief.

[Anonymous No.11174465]

>>11174460
>that fucking quote
Good thing he didn't have kids

[Anonymous No.11174468]

>>11174458
he made pure generalizations in his post in a desperate attempt to sully JBP's words and deeds- an ineffective, feminine assault. typical of leftists.

>>11174460
just watch and observe the visceral response the defenestrated leftist animal has to the image attached to my post

[Anonymous No.11174470]

>>11174420
>>11174420
Oh ok then, keep restating your opinion without providing any reason as to why one should believe it. Look, I can do it too: art is the expression of noetic-linguistic "truths" which relate themselves phenomenologically and therefore ontologically to previously held lifeworlds through the means of aestethics (forms in time and space) into the mind of the subject and thus every piece of art is a first and foremost a song to humanity that thereby denies every trascendence! Look Rick! I have become a Nietzsche!
And now the quote for added rhetoric effect
>In the far South the sun of autumn is passing
>Like Walt Whitman walking along a ruddy shore.
>He is singing and chanting the things that are part of him,
>The worlds that were and will be, death and day.
>Nothing is final, he chants. No man shall see the end.
>His beard is of fire and his staff is a leaping flame

[Anonymous No.11174473]

>>11174453
a lot of marxist theory comes out of The Frankfurt School
you shouldn't dismiss ideas out of hand

[Anonymous No.11174475]

>>11174470
Sorry I broke your brain dude.

[Anonymous No.11174479]

>>11174439
This is the first thing I thought when I saw the Peterson clip. Peterson just doesn't use the proper language to describe what he means.

[Anonymous No.11174484]

>>11174460
Ask me how I know you’re in your early twenties, doing a useless degree, and not doing well in it, from the closest university to the middle class house you grew up in?

[Anonymous No.11174491]

I'm really happy we can talk about Peterson, Hegel and Marx everyday on the /lit/ - literature board.

[Anonymous No.11174494]

>>11174431
>To look for the cause of that alienation
uhm... i remember philosophers of a certain intellectual tradition that talked about this though I can't seem to recall their name... i think they were called Marflixsts? Martians? not sure

[Anonymous No.11174496]

>>11174468
you seem pretty fixated on leftists
I don't think this kind of obsession is healthy for a man of your age
why don't you trying explaining to us why you think the leftist arguments are flawed instead of attacking this imagined enemy?

[Anonymous No.11174499]

>>11173951
What even is that image.

[Anonymous No.11174502]

>>11174491
hey u missed it when someone did their job earlier today

[Anonymous No.11174503]

>>11174475
The only thing that I regularly break by coming here and discussing with retards that have no idea of what they're talking is my balls.

[Anonymous No.11174504]

>>11174496
maybe leftist are the problem

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.11174505]

>>11174460
Even if one were to grant you the notion that success can be reliably obtained through some sort of willpower, you'd still have to orient the mass of people who can't manage to live normal lives in the right direction. If you don't think that their success is the concern of anyone else, then I suggest that you have a very limited conception of the value of social cohesion and civilizational stability.

[Anonymous No.11174508]

>>11174494
Yes, comrade, the party of the people. It will work this time!

[Anonymous No.11174509]

>>11174439
this
hate peterson but holy shit at the ignorance of this retarded fuck in op's vid

[Anonymous No.11174510]

>>11174505
What are YOU? SOME SORT OF COLLECTIVIST KEK? LEARN BASIC ECONOMICS AND GO LISTEN TO BEN SHALIRPO YOU FAGGOT

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.11174511]

>>11174494
Economic alienation leads to social isolation (through stratification), but it's not the only cause of isolation.

[Anonymous No.11174513]

Why do critics of Peterson on /lit/ not engage with him on a literary level? Criticisms of him generally ground themselves in a video or article produced by a popular YouTuber or "E-Celeb". He's written a 600 page book outlining his philosophy that addresses just about everything in this thread (and others). Do people on /lit/ not actually read?

[Anonymous No.11174515]

>>11174494
Fascists?

[Anonymous No.11174516]

>>11174513
because hje is dumb and i dont raead stupid boks

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.11174519]

>>11174510
It's funny that brocialists attack Peterson so much when he talks about the problem of economic inequality more than any other mainstream conservative

[Anonymous No.11174527]

>>11174519
Have you heard his solution to economic equality?
>Economic inequality is a very real and serious issue that affects a growing population of people and we better sort it out soon. But first clean your room.

[Anonymous No.11174528]

>>11174504
maybe they are, bro
but you have to state your arguments properly or people will dismiss you as a tourist from /pol/
from the sticky:
>/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.

[Anonymous No.11174531]

>>11174513
Why does Memerson base his critism of pomos based on second hand sources like Hicks' books and strawmans the shit out of them instead of reading them? Same reason

[Anonymous No.11174533]

>>11174528
the argument is in the image. are you incapable of viewing JPEG files in your browser?

[Anonymous No.11174535]

>>11174519
where did you read the "brocialist attacking peterson" in my post lol

[Anonymous No.11174540]

>>11174533
>the argument is in the image
the absolute state

[Anonymous No.11174543]

>>11174513
Not even Peterson fans read Maps of Meaning lmao. 12 Rules (his meme manifesto) maybe but not fuckin Maps. If he wanted people to read Maps he'd have it reprinted.

[Anonymous No.11174544]

>>11174513
>Do people on /lit/ not actually read?
That's exactly right, anon.
No one fucking reads in our society and anyone that still does has the good sense to leave 4chan for good.
Shitposting, gamergate, and the 2016 election have transformed this place for the worse.

[Anonymous No.11174549]

>>11174540
if you "people" can be defeated by an orange cheeto with small hands in the biggest presidential race in history, you can surely also be defeated by anything else including a jpg image file

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.11174551]

>>11174527
There's a retardation at the core of conservative economic ideology
>people aren't equal in terms of ability
>this inequality of ability leads to an inequality of outcome
>therefore there's a natural class stratification in any society

>also if you're poor you're just lazy and need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps

[Anonymous No.11174555]

>>11174531
This is hilarious because if you actually read his book you would know he doesn't.

[Anonymous No.11174558]

>>11174549
>you people
>defeated
>u look bad
the absolute state of tribal politicized monkeys

[Anonymous No.11174559]

>>11174558
>yfw you cant address the argument against your ideology in the image i posted

[Anonymous No.11174560]

>>11174551
This is how all conservative ideology works
>The government shouldn't be able to tell you what to do or think
>But that doesn't mean you can be homosexual or have an abortion

[Anonymous No.11174562]

>>11174555
I have read the entirety of 12 rules for life (time well wasted) and he has an entire passage strawmemeing Derrida

[Anonymous No.11174564]

>>11174527
You and your comrades should listen to him. It’s why no-one takes you seriously. How can you sort out economic inequalities when you can’t even sort out yourselves?

[Anonymous No.11174567]

>>11174533
this why no one respects /pol/ posters
in peterson's words >you're suffering from ideological possession
think for yourself; it's one of the few sovereign aspects of the individual

[Anonymous No.11174568]

>>11174559
>u look baaaad
Amazing

[Anonymous No.11174569]

>>11174562
That's hilarious, does he seriously think that any of his readers have heard of Derrida before?

[Anonymous No.11174574]

>>11174567
>>11174568
>xe/xey STILL cant address the argument in the image file I posted

[Anonymous No.11174577]

>>11174543
I'm not a Peterson fan yet I've read Peterson. I'm not a Marxist yet I've read Marx.

Also there's a free pdf of Maps on his website, you retarded faggot. Literally no excuses.

[Anonymous No.11174583]

>>11174559
>yelp sticker
wow nu-males have really let themselves go

[Anonymous No.11174585]

>>11174574
If thats an argument then this is one to

[Anonymous No.11174588]

>>11174562
You read his self-help book aimed at the general populace, not his actual thesis. You're obviously not as bright as you think you are.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.11174590]

>>11174560
A lot of these contradictions come from the Southern switch, when Republicans (who were mostly consistent libertarians at the time) basically co-opted the religious vote from the Dixiecrats. So there's always been a tension between the "government can't tell us what to do" and "state law should reflect God's law" in American conservatism.

[Anonymous No.11174598]

>>11174577
>there's a free pdf of Maps on his website
based reader-anon
thanks dude mebbe i'll pick up and become cultured like you
if only i knew how to read ;_;

[Anonymous No.11174599]

>>11174585
by the image file i posted I meant this image

try to address it

[Anonymous No.11174600]

>>11174574
what a pathetic image

[Anonymous No.11174603]

>>11174577
stop projecting anon no ones against you

[Anonymous No.11174605]

>>11174585
That looks like a pretty normie gathering tbqh. A few uggos, but not more than average

[Anonymous No.11174606]

>>11174574
I'm not even this same person you fucking chimpanzee
>u look bad we look good
>my side ur side
I'm in awe at this much retardation, please post more of these

[Anonymous No.11174613]

>>11174599
literally what do you think is meaningful about that image?

[Anonymous No.11174614]

>>11174606
try to address the image file i posted, comrade

[Anonymous No.11174615]

>>11174599
this is a strawman argument
counter signal memes are satirical
you aren't supposed to use logical fallacies to discredit your opponents
didn't they teach you this in high school, you old fuck

[Anonymous No.11174616]

>>11174527
>>11174551
>>11174560
>>11174590
Stop reading the Washington Post.

[Anonymous No.11174617]

Kek fantano is annoyingly liberal ever since that fader article.

[Anonymous No.11174618]

>>11174590
it's almost as if... it's almost as if... americans are fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.11174621]

>>11174605
>these are the normies stealing all your stacys

[Anonymous No.11174622]

>>11174613
>>11174615
try to address it

come on, i thought you leftists were supposed to be "well-read" and "cultured"

[Anonymous No.11174623]

>>11174585
Those look like normal people honestly. Atleast compared to the Antifags that give an impression of being a bunch of twisted bug men sexual diaper fetishist deviants

[Anonymous No.11174624]

>>11174614
>address my meme please
/lit/ - literature

[Anonymous No.11174625]

>>11174605
they also don't look like a paramilitary group
>>11174599
no one gives a fuck about your meme images
Does me posting this validate my arguments in any way? No,it's a shit post that is never meant to be taken seriously outside of making you angry

[Anonymous No.11174626]

>>11174624
>>11174625
try to address it please

[Anonymous No.11174627]

>>11174616
Joke's on you, I don't read at all!

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.11174636]

>>11174616
>implying I don't only read far left and far right publications
American politics is just another form of entertainment

[Anonymous No.11174643]

>>11173863
>my book says my god created everything and i also happen to be super specially endowed with vision that allows me to see what is and is not divinely inspired
>also this insight happens to be based in morality and political affiliations i hold
>its objective of course
>but only for catholics who believe what i believe and have my politics
lol

[Anonymous No.11174644]

>>11174622
what makes your think our hostility to you has anything to do with us being 'leftists'
you don't know a damn thing about me
but we can clearly see what you stand for: arguing with convenient strawmen

[Anonymous No.11174646]

>>11174622
>u cant arguu muh meem
>u r dum
tell me what you think the argument in this picture is anon, give me a thesis to analyze. are you trying to say that horseshoe theorists are wrong? because that's the strongest message I get out of your... meme...

[Anonymous No.11174647]

>>11174626
Imagine having all of your worldview influenced by /pol/ memes.
And I'm pretty sure r*ddit is home to the biggest circlejerk of /pol/sters on the planet

[Anonymous No.11174652]

>>11174626
Okay, horseshoe theory is not what you believe but how you conduct yourselves
Both the extreme right and extreme left are violent, as can be seen in Charlottevile.
There, now your meme has been debunked, happy?

[Anonymous No.11174654]

>>11174644
>>11174646
>>11174647
>>11174652
just try to address the points raised in the image

[Anonymous No.11174657]

>>11174654
the last anon you quoted did you illiterate moron

[Anonymous No.11174658]

>>11174626
anon you have responded to barely any of the memes in this thread. I thought you were supposed to be smart! Well, respond to this meme already, bucko
>>11174625

[Anonymous No.11174662]

>>11174657
>>11174658
try to address the central point of this image, any time

[Anonymous No.11174668]

>>11174657
go easy on gramps here
his eyes aren't so good because he's OLD and refuses to use medicare

[Anonymous No.11174670]

>>11174654
Can you even read the image? There's conflicting opinions in there, anon, and both sides aren't even making proper arguments, just unsupported premises. Again, for the third time, what about this image would you like us to respond to?

[Anonymous No.11174674]

>>11174668
>>11174670
come on, try

[Anonymous No.11174675]

>>11174662
i think it's a bot

[Anonymous No.11174680]

>>11174675
>getting btfo by a bot
the left sinks to new lows with each passing day
you can always try to address all or any part(s) of the image, whenever you like- redemption can be had?

[Anonymous No.11174681]

>>11174674
Ok, here's your response. The person on the left is a strawman for the left, the person on the right is a strawman for the right, and the person in the middle is a strawman for horseshoe theory. That's about as deep as this image goes, anon, it's about as enlightening of a political message as a Colbert monologue.

[Anonymous No.11174685]

>>11174681
repeating "strawman" over and over doesn't win you arguments

try

[Anonymous No.11174687]

>>11174675
That would be interesting
However, the /pol/ posters spilling out into other boards to contribute nothing of value is far more likely in this fucked up world of ours

Look at the way he types. It completely exposes him as person unfamiliar with computers or imageboard culture.

[Anonymous No.11174688]

>>11174685
>repeating "strawman" over and over doesn't win you arguments
neither does posting memes lmao

[Anonymous No.11174689]

>>11174680
>he thinks he is "btfoing" anyone
this is the last time I respond to you, good night and keep posting these fantastic pics

[Anonymous No.11174693]

>>11174687
>>11174688
>>11174689
cmon

didnt daddy ever tell you to try?

[Anonymous No.11174696]

>>11174689
bugs...

[Anonymous No.11174699]

>>11174693
is "try" a new meme? feels forced desu

[Anonymous No.11174702]

>>11174699
>is "try" a new meme?

[Anonymous No.11174703]

>>11174662
LOOK AT >>11174652
THERE IS YOUR ANSWER

[Anonymous No.11174708]

>>11174703
at least try

[Anonymous No.11174709]

>>11173643
I'd say art can't exist without ontology which you could argue is the base of religion.

[Anonymous No.11174710]

>>11174708
Can you not read?

[Anonymous No.11174713]

>>11174708
>>11174702
>>11174693
>>11174685
>>11174680
>>11174674
>>11174662
>>11174654
>>11174626
>>11174622
does he even try /lit/?

[Anonymous No.11174714]

general lit discord

https://discord.gg/MjReY6h

[Anonymous No.11174715]

>>11174710

Not him but it's clearly not an argument.

[Anonymous No.11174716]

>>11174708
>facts.png
holy shit
i think this troll actually got a rise out of me
well done m8
can I buy you a drink sometime?

[Anonymous No.11174717]

>>11174693
t. can't understand political discussion that isn't in the form of images on his computer, relies on emotion to convince his equally dim-witted opponents

[Anonymous No.11174723]

I'm not going to watch that nor read this thread

[Anonymous No.11174725]

>>11174723
this is easily the best post in the thread

[Anonymous No.11174728]

>>11174714
No thanks.

[Anonymous No.11174731]

>>11174713
>>11174716
>>11174717
>still not trying

so many boys who were perpetual let-downs to their fathers ITT

[Anonymous No.11174734]

>>11174715
Yes it is
if you were here around the election you probably remember this guy getting meme'd out the wazoo
He basically used violence and beat people he disagreed with
Then we have bike lock guy from the left who did the EXACT same thing and was praised by the left

[Anonymous No.11174739]

>>11174680
>fuck leftists
>do you actually have an argument or will just keep shouting that
>fuck leftists

[Anonymous No.11174740]

>>11174731
my father is very happy about me actually

[Anonymous No.11174741]

>>11174731
I never knew my father
that's probably why I ended up on 4chan
single mothers really fuck up our society

but sob stories aside: what's your drink of choice? i think we'd really get along if we met a cozy flyover bar

[Anonymous No.11174742]

>>11174734
The difference was he used those items for self defense.

[Anonymous No.11174746]

>>11174734
>tangential events are relevant to the explicit argument presented in the image
it takes perhaps an understanding or sardonic humor to understand it, which is why the autistics in this thread cannot come to apply themselves in formulating an argument against it

well, that and the image is a near-perfect representation of the modern political divide and leftists can't stand having reality spelled out for them

try

[Anonymous No.11174747]

>>11174742
does the stick guy look like he's in danger?

[Anonymous No.11174748]

>>11174731
is this what a /pol/ false flag looks like or is this actually what your average /pol/tard acts like?
>>11174734
No use, he's just going to tell you to try

[Anonymous No.11174752]

>>11174746
>it takes perhaps an understanding or sardonic humor to understand it
ah, a fellow man of taste I see

[Anonymous No.11174754]

>>11173754
?

[Anonymous No.11174759]

>>11174747
photos can be quite deceiving
don't you think it's likely he was provoked by the crowd just out of frame or by previous uncaptured altercations?
now there's something to be said about the mental health of the individual who crafts his own weapons to go a counter-protest

[Anonymous No.11174767]

>>11174748
>this actually what your average /pol/tard acts like
Yes.
Old fucks like him can't post these kinds of shit on Facebook or they'll get flagged
They do it here because they feel like they're in good company
fucking boomer /pol/ posers!

[Anonymous No.11174770]

>>11174759
He showed up to the protest with a big stick and make-shift armor lmao he didn't get stopped on his way home from work.

[Anonymous No.11174778]

Is this a bot thread? are these bots? am i the only hueman bean on 4chin?

[Anonymous No.11174790]

>>11174709
This. Pretty much every meta and mini narrative and every way of perceiving the world, perhaps with pure utilitarian thinking (if such thing is possible) as the only exception, has a religious nature. I think Heidegger explained that somewhere.

[Anonymous No.11174794]

>>11174770
that's what i said m8
>there's something to be said about the mental health of the individual who crafts his own weapons to go a counter-protest

[Anonymous No.11174799]

>>11174778
no
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[Anonymous No.11174804]

>>11173643
I may be a bit snobby and maybe he makes good points but I feel someone like Fantano just doesn't have the right to speak about art. I would be surprised if his views on art weren't compromised by pop art and consumerism.

[Anonymous No.11174830]

>>11174778
Ice cream? I love ice cream!

[Anonymous No.11174846]

>this thread
WHY DO WE KEEP LOSING LEFTYBROS??? I THOUGHT REALITY HAD A LIBERAL BIAS

[Anonymous No.11174942]

>>11173817
>No, you can't just say all things are influenced by god.
In complete honesty, why not?

[Anonymous No.11174952]

>>11173813
That's even worse desu. It's the worst of both worlds

[Anonymous No.11175040]

>>11173643
I don't know much about Peterson but my impression is that he's saying that the action of assigning and interpreting meaning is a religious one.
How can you miss something so simple and then make a 15 minutes video being so smug about being an idiot. I don't understand how people can stand Fantano. It's not even just that he has that supposedly rational outlook on life but the very way he express himself with all those annoying ticks makes him uncanny-valleyish too look at.

[Anonymous No.11175124]

>>11173902
go away anthony

[Anonymous No.11175145]

>>11173878
>Art is the only viable spiritual pursuit
>artists must be free from religious institutions.
Someone said this in a literary board...
Does anyone of you niggers here has actually read something?

[Anonymous No.11175168]

>>11174439
Exactly.

[Anonymous No.11175182]

>>11174465
>muh hugbox
Sons grow up better when their fathers treat them like adults before they are.

[Anonymous No.11175214]

>>11174479
There's no such thing as a proper language, you brainlet.

[Anonymous No.11175323]

god fucking damn fantano is getting annoying. he literally does not know what hes talking about. identity crisis clashing with the ego of a ‘celebrity’ with followers and clout is not healthy. the fader/speaking tour thing fucked him up

>tfw you’ll never have comfy jump-cut folk-punk having fun 2012 fantano again

why live