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What do you think of Sylvia Plath's works?

>> No.11120184

a big NO for me

>> No.11120190

She's a woman and she suicided (in a retarded manner as well).
Both red flags for not having anything meaningful to say.

>> No.11120199

Confessional poetry is too often boring and stale and she doesn't really make a difference, even if she wrote one or two good poems.

>> No.11120203

I think she got away with the Rupi Kaur mode before people caught on to its bullshit

>> No.11120216

>>11120180
haven't read her so can't comment. Don't plan to read her, either.

>> No.11120218

>>11120180
>American
>Woman
>Poet
Ew

>> No.11120234

“Ariel” is a spectacular poem, probably her masterpiece. Out of the rest, maybe only “Tulips” and “Fever 103” are essential.

>> No.11120248

>>11120190
>>11120218
You people are fucking disgusting

>> No.11120250

>>11120199
>confessional poetry is stale
who is John Berryman or Robert Lowell?

>> No.11120334

>>11120180

She's annoying in all the obvious ways. And she's been adopted by all the obvious annoying people.

But...

...that said, she's pretty good.

(You just have to allow for the whole lunatic / self-obsessed / self-pitying schtick.)

For me, her biggest fault - and one that makes her unendurable in large doses - is that she has practically no sense of humour. You can't read The Arrival of the Bee-Box or Mirror or Pheasant or Sheep in Fog or Tulips and tell me she didn't have talent, though.

>> No.11120347

>>11120218

please kill yourself

In real life

I mean it

>> No.11120349

>>11120248
How can you even be on 4chan if you're this sensitive? Don't take everything you read at face value.

>> No.11120355

>>11120347
What part of it made you mad and why?

>> No.11120359

>>11120347

that's what Ted said

>> No.11120373

>>11120190
>she suicided (in a retarded manner as well)
Why is it retarded? What another homely,comfy, acessible for everyone manner do we have to do it (besides ropes)?
Gas is democratical, painless, handy suicide.

>> No.11120378

Her poem “Daddy” is fucking trash.
I wouldn't want to read anything else by her.

>> No.11120382

>>11120349
Me being sensitive or not it doesn't change the fact that there's too much human garbage here

>> No.11120388

>>11120378
>Judging someone’s entire body of work off of one poem

Daddy’s nursery rhyme feel isn’t really repeated in the rest of her work, so its not very representative.

Maybe try Tulips or The Munich Manniquins?

>> No.11120408

>>11120382
You can reduce it by never posting here again.

>> No.11120429

>>11120373
You forget antisemitic. Gassing should be illegal

>> No.11120447

>>11120180
evil whore, left children behind, was horrible to men, massive ego and has a cult of evil women who emotionally abuse men which coincides with the worst most promiscuous wing of feminism “bangs and lipstick” whores, fuck her i hope she’s in hell
>>11120347
go away this place isn’t for you, we don’t have to pretend to like anti-culture here for risk of being called anything
>>11120382
faggot

>> No.11120459

>>11120429
Alright, prosecute me for killing myself with gas. Go and arrest me in the otherworld

>> No.11120469

>>11120459
goys dont go to the otherworld. shalom shabbat

>> No.11120471

>>11120190
>>11120203
>>11120218
>the absolute state of /lit/

>> No.11120488

>>11120447
>Sylvia Plath
>”bangs and lipstick” whore

She was a second-wave feminist anon, so largely sex-negative. Her husband was the one cheating on her.

>> No.11120670

>>11120180
Good for kids about 16 having some problems. Not offensive, but not special, really.

>> No.11120679

>>11120190
Hemingway suicided too. Does that make him any lesser than he is?

Also, when you casually say sexist stuff like she don't have any meaningful thing to because she's a woman, back your statement with proper explanations.

>> No.11120680

>>11120180
The Bell Jar is a comfy read but I didn't like her poems all that much

>> No.11120711

>>11120180
I'm not a super fan of her work though she clearly is very talented but I do really rather fancy her

>> No.11120717

>>11120679

THE VIRGIN OVEN
>low-effort, uses humdrum domestic appliance
>leaves unpleasant smell
>wastes gas
>does't require fortitude (you just go to sleep)

THE CHAD SHOTGUN
>spectacular
>makes use of manly implement
>doesn't waste resources
>requires nerve to do the deed

>> No.11120742

>>11120711

That's weird because the one thing I definitely don't feel for S.P. is any sexual attraction. I mean any sexual attraction whatsoever.
It's slightly weird because she's youngish, pretty-ish, intelligent - but at some deep, deep level my hindbrain just screams NO NO NO
It's like it knows, anything you put in that woman only has about a 50% chance of re-emerging still attached to you.

>> No.11120768

>>11120742
As another said, prolly because even though she's pretty sharp hand in writing, she lacks a sense of humor.

>> No.11120792

>>11120717
Fucking lazy cunt, if you're going to partake in a shit dying meme at least be bothered enough to make it.

>> No.11120794

>>11120359

based response

>> No.11120797

>>11120742
I think its my white knight gland firing off at all cylinders. Yank repressed prim and proper psycho broken flowers who write poetry really turn me on.

>> No.11122058

>>11120180
The Bell Jar gets too much crap.

>> No.11122447

>>11122058
Better teen angst novel than Catcher

>> No.11122792

>>11120359
Noice

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>>11120797
I know what you mean. I just wanna build some kind of time machine, go back and beat up Ted Hughes and break Path's oven.

>> No.11125402

>>11120347
Is that one of her poems?

>> No.11125671

>>11124142
This.

>> No.11125688

>write a popular book where you make fun of manlets
Why is this allowed?

>> No.11125713

>>11125688
What do you mean?

>> No.11125721

>>11125402
LOL

>> No.11125733

>>11120488
Can you blame him?

>> No.11125771

>>11125713
A major part of rh Bell Jar is hoping that the Hispanic guys she has a blind date with isn't short

>> No.11125804

>>11120180
she looks like david foster wallace

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>>11120180
I legitimately though that was Wittgenstein's face on a woman's body.

>> No.11127143

>>11120248
it hurts because it's true.
Also Ted Hughes was vastly better at poetry than she was, must have been hard. She doesn't even describe her Daddy issues well. She just refers to him as hitler. Fucking basic.

>> No.11127158

>>11125733
exactly

>> No.11127261

>>11125804
>>11127114
You say this like it's a bad thing.

>> No.11127270

>>11127143
C'mon Hughes sucks ass. Garbled voodoo animal gibberish.

>> No.11128344

>>11120471
/pol/*

>> No.11128360

>>11127270

Crow is the best poetic work of the 2nd half of the 20th century.

>> No.11128666

The best thing she ever put out was the pilot light.

>> No.11128678

>>11120180
muggrhgrhhh im a woman n im saaaddddd

>> No.11129326

>>11128360
LOL

Arrhythmic awkward scribblings of edgelord proportions. Has nothing to say and nothing interesting to show. Absolute garbage. The only interesting thing he's ever written is Birthday Letters which is only interesting because of Plath.

>> No.11129344

>>11120180
A FUCKING OVEN

>> No.11129366

>>11128360
>Crow is the best poetic work of the 2nd half of the 20th century.
Lol, even an accidental recording of John Hollander's burp would have more artistic value than that tin eared atrocity.

>> No.11129406

>>11120679
>Hemingway suicided too. Does that make him any lesser than he is?
Yes. Next stupid question, please.

>> No.11129410

>>11120679
>Also, when you casually say sexist stuff like she don't have any meaningful thing to because she's a woman, back your statement with proper explanations.
Good point, next time I won't be so casual when saying sexist stuff.

>> No.11129546

>>11129406
What does him shooting a bullet to his head have anything to do with his works? This is like a religious guy not reading a particular author's books because 'he used to drink alcohol which makes him a bad person.'

>> No.11129630

>>11129546

It does matter. His works were bound up with the sort of man he was - or the sort of man he presented himself to be. If he then shows he's something very different, we're at least allowed to wonder whether the works might not be quite as true and profound as we thought.

>> No.11129844

she's leagues better than all her imitators
ted hughes was better tho...

>> No.11129927

>>11120378
Shit taste. Daddy was a phenomenal piece.

>> No.11130003

>>11120792
>I am upset

>> No.11130064

>>11130003
Who wouldn't be upset at stupid lazy cunts?

>> No.11130194

>>11120180
>she is a great intro to Ted Hughes which i find much better

>> No.11130784

Bump

>> No.11130789

>>11129927
>Daddy was a phenomenal piece of garbage

FTFY

>> No.11130803

>>11124142
Read Daddy again, she loved gas that much it was going to happen eventually.

>> No.11130819

>>11120180
was it part of her plan?

>> No.11130823

>>11120180
Talented but the whole being a woman and inspiring the genre of deviantart/livejournal/facebook poetry may inflate her reputation as a genius.

>> No.11131546

>>11120180
They were amazing.

>> No.11131654

>>11120180
I read one of her poems in my mandatory freshman english course and it wasn't good at all.
>women are oppressed
>all men are evil
>also my dad is litterally hitler
It read like a strawman parody of feminist literature. Also the over use of holocaust/nazi symbolism came of as lazy and sensationalist. I can't remember what this poem was called though. Are her other poems better?

>> No.11131779

>>11131654
That’s a misinterpretation of Daddy. What the poem is saying is that women under patriarchy are doomed to forever be in control of a man, whether it be her father or her husband. She doesn’t think all men are evil, just that men want to eliminate the will, independence, and maybe even existence of women much like Nazis did with Jewish people. The murder of her husband at the end is a call to arms for women’s liberation.

She isn’t sensationalist, she claims her mother was descended from polish gypsies, so she’s really talking about her legit family history with the holocaust.

She has more nuanced poems than Daddy though.

>> No.11133209

bump

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>>11131779
>and maybe even existence of women much like Nazis did with Jewish people.
If only

>> No.11133542

>>11127114
Lmao now I can't unsee it.

>> No.11133566

>>11133535
Forget it, anon. You still wouldn't be able to get fucked.

>> No.11133572

>>11129630
He shot himself because he was undergoing EST and it was destroying his ability to think. He didn't even know who he was most of the time. His suicide has nothing to with his works or his philosophy.

>> No.11133575

>>11133566
>implying id want to fuck an irrational hole with legs

>> No.11133578

>>11133575
y-yeah why would anybody want to do that right? Haha

>> No.11133584

>>11133578
Just fuck dudes. Gay dudes have the best sex, lesbians have the worst. Fact.

>> No.11134808

>>11120248
suck me

>> No.11136203

>>11133584
Lesbian sex involves two pusies - of course it's better. What are u, gay?

>> No.11136275

>>11136203

[Assuming you're a man...]

Heterosexual sex is gay. Think about it. You're having sex with a person who likes men. What could be gayer than that?

Similarly , having sex with a homosexual man is gay, because you're still having sex with someone who likes men.

You could have sex with a lesbian, but that has other problems, and is selfish, because she won't enjoy it.

The only way for a man to have truly non-gay sex is to find another heterosexual man and have sex in a non-gay way.
See Holmes - Watson, Aubrey - Maturin, Frodo - Sam, Ishmael - Queegqueeg, etc etc etc

>> No.11137624

Sylvie had no better lovin'
than when her head was in the oven

>> No.11137655

>>11136203
look up lesbian bed death

>> No.11137667

>>11120717
THE UBERMENSCH STONE COAT
>poetic
>have to walk into the water deeper and deeper not some beta one-pull shit
>can take off coat but dont

>> No.11137686

>>11136275
Mid - high level kekkelage here.

>> No.11137749

>>11120190
Read the bell jar and as a 30 yo man i cant say it spoke to me. It was some good insight into how unorganized a young womans thinking is. I loved the minimal 50s-60s america feel when she describes the surroundings and things people do. Kind of like a 60s gatsby. Its a short book, not too hard to get through

>> No.11137803

>>11129630
Are you implying blowing your brains out isnt manly?

>> No.11137840

>>11136203
>>11136275
you're both wrong. So-called 'gay sex' is just masturbation with a partner, as is protected 'sex'. Only penis in vagina is real sex.

>> No.11137842

>>11137803

Blowing your brains out can be manly, but only under very exceptional circumstances. Given that, when we hear someone did blow his brains out, we're allowed to take "not manly" as our initial hypothesis until the opposite is proved, I think.

>> No.11137849

>>11137840

I think this conversation is multi-track drifting over different levels of irony. Anyway, I defer to your judgement, Real Sex Man.

>> No.11137871

>>11137749
Don't you think her thinking was like that, because she was suffering from heavy clinical depression?
Instead of the "young woman" thing?

>> No.11137885

>>11133584
Fact: Lesbian women orgasm more during sex than straight ones.

>> No.11137960

Chloroform in print.

>> No.11137986

>>11120190
bigot

>> No.11138028

>>11137986
like anyone has ever actually re-considered their opinion on 4chan. Live in the real world sweetie, it is what it is.

>> No.11138092

>>11137871
I honestly dont, however that is a good point. Its very ephermeral and she just does what all the other young girls are doing without any kind of point which all young people do. She could not figure out why it all didnt make her happy. That was the depression part. It just clicked with me because it s what happened when i was younger and girls were "crazy" or just aloof, i.e., just didnt know how to act and panicked. I never had a sister though so missed a lot of that female development stuff

>> No.11138174

>>11120180
bad