>went to a community of neoplatonists thinking they solved philosophy >realized that they explain nothing and everything is contradictory What should I read to escape from this mysticism bullshit?

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Anonymous Sun May 6 21:28:41 2018 No.11113170 [Reply] [Original]

>went to a community of neoplatonists thinking they solved philosophy
>realized that they explain nothing and everything is contradictory
What should I read to escape from this mysticism bullshit?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 6 21:29:30 2018 No.11113172 >>11113170 What anime is this from?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 6 21:29:50 2018 No.11113174 >>11113170 american psycho

>>	Anonymous Sun May 6 21:34:11 2018 No.11113191 >>11113170 learn a trade. or shut the fuck up

>>	Anonymous Sun May 6 21:51:31 2018 No.11113253 >>11113191 Good goy

>>	Anonymous Sun May 6 22:28:48 2018 No.11113374 >>11113170 Where the hell do you find a community of neoplatonists? Asking for a friend

>>	Anonymous Sun May 6 22:30:39 2018 No.11113380 >>11113374 >>11113374 This desu

>>	Anonymous Sun May 6 22:33:02 2018 No.11113388 File: 126 KB, 647x656, 1523248240687.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11113170 use the better version

>>	Anonymous Sun May 6 22:34:01 2018 No.11113393 File: 120 KB, 800x802, fat_tonyism (2).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11113374 >>11113170 like are they living in a commune or what

Anonymous Sun May 6 22:34:29 2018 No.11113396

>>11113374
There are tons of groups on meetup websites. These people tend to be shallow, old, and looking for a soapbox. They hide under random athiest or free thinking guises. They don't talk about any of the ideas, but instead gossip about meme news and imagine a meme world like the hippies.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 6 22:36:23 2018 No.11113400 >>11113388 Still not sure what anime this is from.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 6 22:44:57 2018 No.11113440 >>11113396 lol link right now

>>	Anonymous Sun May 6 23:01:59 2018 No.11113530 >>11113400 is this a a meme? but it's from "little witch academia" but the manga or a doujinshi of it. my guess is the latter

>>	Anonymous Sun May 6 23:23:53 2018 No.11113629 File: 96 KB, 800x798, 1525637307207.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is why Objectivist get togethers are so comfy. No contradiction

>>	Anonymous Sun May 6 23:42:49 2018 No.11113718 File: 124 KB, 900x750, plotinus-2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what the fuck was this dude smoking?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 6 23:43:54 2018 No.11113724 >>11113170 stirner, nietzsche, hume, kant *sort of

>>	Anonymous Sun May 6 23:49:09 2018 No.11113745 >>11113629 Yeah, because cultish groupthink is so much more enjoyable right

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 01:20:50 2018 No.11114061 >>11113745 Its definitely more agreeable

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 01:24:35 2018 No.11114078 File: 254 KB, 404x404, 1434403648915.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11113170 >What should I read to escape from this mysticism bullshit? Analytic philosophy

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 01:26:15 2018 No.11114082 >>11113745 can we stop calling everything a fucking cult for once Jesus Christ 4chan is a cult, /lit/ is a cult, this very thread is a cult. Im a god damned cult, ooga booga

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 01:28:18 2018 No.11114088 >>11113253 You are literally the best goy, OP.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 01:28:29 2018 No.11114089 >>11114078 Any suggestions? Reading lists?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 01:30:13 2018 No.11114098 >>11114089 PF Strawson Carnap Frege Wittgenstein Maybe Bertcuck russles-my-jimmies

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 01:31:24 2018 No.11114100 >>11113170 >mysticism >bullshit op mysticism is the only way to even begin approaching the divine - ie, that which is the only final answer to philosophy can you tell me what kind of answer did you expect to find?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 01:31:45 2018 No.11114102 >>11114082 just stop believing dumb shit and suffer with the rest of us

Anonymous Mon May 7 01:35:27 2018 No.11114113

>>11113170
You can’t escape Hegel, logically, he is 100% correct in everything he says in the Phenomenology and the Logic.

Nietzsche and Heidegger however, do challenge him and the way in which he grounds his logic, but they pretty much just end up rejecting logic, which is very existentially satisfying in light of depressing absolute logic is according to Hegel: no meaning, nothing absolutely perceptible, just thoughts negating other thoughts until it stops at some point.

I suppose Leo Strauss’ Natural Right and History is a part of the tradition against Hegel too now.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 02:10:33 2018 No.11114233 >>11114113 Zen

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 02:13:01 2018 No.11114242 >>11113170 Akko's firey spirit > Hegel's frigid conceptual analysis of life All day everyday

Anonymous Mon May 7 02:33:17 2018 No.11114282

>>11113170
>>11113718
Plotinus is fun to read and at the very least has an interesting take on anything from love to time, but a lot of it is predicated on accepting his system of a tripartite hypostases. Best take what you find useful and move on

>>11114098
>transcendental idealist
>realist about universals
>mathematical platonist
>solipsist
>rationalist and platonist (litetally a mystic the guy may as well have been a platonist)

The guy you're looking for is Daniel Dennett

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 02:40:32 2018 No.11114297 >>11114078 The common sense philosophers, David Hume, Thomas Reid, etc etc

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 02:46:45 2018 No.11114312 >>11111111

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 02:50:29 2018 No.11114320 >>11114312 fuck off

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 02:52:02 2018 No.11114327 >>11113170 >What should I read to escape from this mysticism bullshit? >pragmatic objectivity

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>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 03:31:21 2018 No.11114410 >>11113170 Which community was this specifically?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 04:25:37 2018 No.11114528 >>11113396 >>11113440 >>11113374 >>11113380 >>11113393 I just looked it up, apparently there's an international association of professors and such http://www.isns.us/index.html

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 11:04:58 2018 No.11115568 >>11113530 little bitch academia Trigger, not even once

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 13:20:22 2018 No.11115995 >>11113530 Meme how? >>11115568 Umm you ok there?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 13:24:01 2018 No.11116005 File: 321 KB, 727x462, 37.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11114113 >You can’t escape Hegel, logically, he is 100% correct in everything he says in the Phenomenology and the Logic.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 13:49:39 2018 No.11116087 >>11113393 Bring these back please.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 14:13:40 2018 No.11116167 Zhuangziian Daoism

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 15:41:28 2018 No.11116678 >>11116167 go on

Anonymous Mon May 7 15:45:22 2018 No.11116705

>>11114089
I would start with Frege's essay "On Sense and Nominatum", and look up the stanford encyclopedia articles on logic, first order logic, justification, Bertrand Russell, and Wittgenstein

After youve done that, maybe start studying logic proper, or go to Russell's essay "On Denotation" if you want to stick with language

>>11114282
Ignore this person who thinks in labels. Just take what you like from this movement in philosophy and youll be fine

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 15:56:24 2018 No.11116709 File: 3 KB, 125x89, 1443839085514s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11116705 >Cucktrand Russled Jimmies

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 16:01:01 2018 No.11116728 >>11116709 On Denotation is still relevant to phil. of language to this day, in that it may be correct. You have others who challenge it like Kripke but its still up in the air

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 16:03:04 2018 No.11116737 >>11116728 Say what you will, he was still a filthy degenerate.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 16:06:30 2018 No.11116744 >>11116737 Embarassing

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 16:07:09 2018 No.11116747 >>11116744 Yes, Russell is pretty embarrassing.

Anonymous Mon May 7 16:11:39 2018 No.11116761

>>11114089
Also I would say that this poster
>>11114098
Is recommending Strawson and Carnap too early if you are just now going to get into analytic philosophy. Ordinary language philosophy and logical positivism are two dead schools of thought and they dont start until later periods of analytic philosophy. Better to start with Frege, Russell, and Wittgenstein,and then figure out what you like about it

Anonymous Mon May 7 16:27:09 2018 No.11116834

>>11116761
Figure out what you like about it in what sense? Is there sort of a branching patch once you get past the core initial texts? If so, could someone maybe either explain or illustrate this for everyone? What makes you say that ordinary language philosophy and logical positivism are dead?

Anonymous Mon May 7 16:45:59 2018 No.11116915

>>11116834
Figure out what you are interested in, in the same way as someone who gets into philosophy for the first time, you offer what you can for them and then they decide what they like. For example, logic and ethics are very different branches, and maybe you shouldnt just show ethics when they ask, what should I read in philosophy?

Yes there is a branching. Roughly there are those who stay with logic and have a particular view of language because of it, and those who reject the focus on logic and adopt a different approach when studying language. The latter is ordinary language philosophy, and one form of the former is logical positivism.

If you want to know why these two are dead, feel free to look up their summaries. There is an interview with Ayer, one of central figures of logical positivism, who himself says, its dead. Searle I think is the last main figure of ordinary language philosophy and he just recently committed career suicide.

If you want a bastardized but quick answer, logical positivism is dead because logic is not so simple and straightforward that it translates perfectly all cognitive content, and a complete and consistent system for solving all problems is almost certainly impossible thanks to Godel. Ordinary language philosophy is dead because linguistics has shown that language is not just a series of games that communities play with themselves, and that this metaphor is misleading

The best scientific mind Mon May 7 16:47:24 2018 No.11116926
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>>11116585
I've spent many hours reading documents and watching Nazi propaganda. They were weird douchebags. Modern hitlerboos and stomweenies are exactly the same except more ignorant and less sincere.
>So called "nazis"
Juvenile

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 16:53:58 2018 No.11116952 >>11116915 I'm not new to philosophy myself. >Searle committed career suicide More like he got attacked by left-wing feminist students and the mob rolled him over.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 16:56:56 2018 No.11116969 >>11116952 Whatever you want to call it, hes the last main figure who is pretty old and his career has taken a turn for the worst which might lead him to stop publishing research

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 17:12:28 2018 No.11117012 >>11116926 >weird douchebags >stormweenies why use language so poorly

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 17:19:17 2018 No.11117033 File: 1.22 MB, 1920x1080, Rorty.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11113170

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 17:20:17 2018 No.11117036 >>11117033 Haha I get it it's le funny reddit scifi hero but with the face of a famous philosopher!!!

>>	The best scientific mind Mon May 7 17:22:41 2018 No.11117043 >>11117012 Language is a shit. >>11113170 CS Peirce

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 17:24:43 2018 No.11117047 >>11113170 >community of neoplatonists it's called a cult

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 17:44:43 2018 No.11117109 >>11114102 Lets start a group of people who only believe in non-bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 18:06:49 2018 No.11117154 >>11115995 seems like it was a >MLP hat type of copy pasta

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 18:11:27 2018 No.11117170 >>11114312 did they really delete this?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 18:25:55 2018 No.11117222 >>11114113 cringe

>>	Anonymous Mon May 7 20:34:06 2018 No.11117719 >>11117033 Oh christ >You see Morty, language does not represent reality anymore than an anteater's snout resembles ant tunnels belch

>>	Anonymous Tue May 8 01:09:38 2018 No.11118706 >>11117719 Oh my

>>	Anonymous Tue May 8 03:44:58 2018 No.11119158 Can someone here post the Evangellion picture where it has a giant Hegel Head?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 8 03:50:30 2018 No.11119176 >>11113172 Little witch academia

>>	Anonymous Tue May 8 04:44:42 2018 No.11119285 File: 90 KB, 238x276, 1517615380299.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11114113 >He didn't read Kierkegaard

>>	Anonymous Tue May 8 06:22:24 2018 No.11119521 File: 126 KB, 653x1024, 3d4ec7f8b28bdcd5f16e62d113bf71c37dd5f138222af964a5e6aea5e44d8477.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11119285 This

>>	Anonymous Tue May 8 08:41:43 2018 No.11119843 >>11116678 https://terebess.hu/english/chuangtzu.html

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